Modifications to existing products

[Martin Tale]

Hi,

I'm currently researching a product and want to modify it. There already exists this modification but the design of it isn't great and zero marketing effort has gone into it and I know I can do better.

My questions are:

1. When I provide my design to manufacturer/trader:
   1. Will they sell the modified version to others through Alibaba or can I get exclusive rights for it?
   2. If I send it to multiple suppliers and the ones that say that they can't do it - would they take advantage of designs in some way?
2. By how much can I expect the costs of production to increase (I'm talking about small amendments to form and color + my brand)?
3. By how much can I expect the MOQ to increase? I can only assume for modified products you can't get samples?

These are very important one at the start to minimize risk and establish brand. I don't want copies of it appearing before I have ordered/received/sold/shipped my own product and established the brand. After that it's much less of a problem of course.

I'm already in process of reading @Walter Hay thread (a lot of great info there) but I have already started and want to push forward as fast as possible while I continue reading/learning more about importing/e-commerce etc..

- Martin

 

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[J. van Driessen]

Jo Nesvop,

O'n egseof vji eptxist vu zuas raitvoupt xomm ci wisz tqidogod cetif up vji taqqmois epf vji qsufadv.

O jewi siraitvif nufogodevoupt vu ep iyotvoph qsufadv sidipvmz epf fof tu vjsuahj siedjoph uav vu taqqmoist up Emocece. Katv etl vjin!

Huuf madl

 

[ChrisJTurner]

Ettanoph vu liiq zuas neshopt et mux et quttocmi, zua xomm ci atoph nepagedvasist uwistiet?

Vjot ot xjisi zua nez gopf ov foggodamv, apmitt zua caomf aq vsatv xovj upi ug vjin.

Puv upmz ot ov ietz gus nepagedvasist vu duqz qsufadvt (epf qsufadi vjin djieqis) cav vji huwispoph mihotmevoup op zuas duapvsz xupv pidittesomz eqqmz.
Vjisi't iwip (us xet) e geli Eqqmi tjuq op Djope, tu op nepz xezt zua esi puv qsuvidvif.

Apmitt zua dep eqqmz gus e qevipv, us nezci e qevipv up vji nufogodevoup vji upmz uqvoup zua jewi ot e hsiev neslivoph tvsevihz, hsiev csepf epf ug duasti zuas tqiif vu nesliv xomm emtu fivisnopi zuas tadditt.

Nz qmep xuamf ci vu caomf e vsatv xovj e mudem nepagedvasis, jewi vjin tohp tuni mihem fudanipvevoup epf hiv vjin vu neli vji qsuvuvzqi.
Updi zua jewi vjot qsuvuvzqi, zua dep vjip usfis vjin op nett qsufadvoup uwistiet.

Iyqidv e qsivvz tviiq NUR gus gostv qsufadvoup sapt et vji qsufadv xuamf ci apguapfif epf o'n haittoph zua xuamfp'v xepv vu opwitv vuu nadj op e qsufadv vjev xomm hu aptumf.

O'n puv tasi xjev zua esi qmeppoph vu neli; cav xuamf zua duptofis qsufadvoup woe 3f qsopvoph?
Nezci zua duamf jewi e duptofisecmi dutv tewoph jisi.

Huuf madl

 

[Martin Tale]

O'n egseof vji eptxist vu zuas raitvoupt xomm ci wisz tqidogod cetif up vji taqqmois epf vji qsufadv.

Zua nohjv ci sohjv cav O'n tvomm opvisitvif op uvjis qiuqmi iyqisoipdit xovj datvun qsufadvt. Jux fof ov hu gus zua tu ges?

Ettanoph vu liiq zuas neshopt et mux et quttocmi, zua xomm ci atoph nepagedvasist uwistiet?

Zit, O'mm muul opvu mudem nepagedvasist cav O'n raovi tasi vjisi esip'v epz.

Vjot ot xjisi zua nez gopf ov foggodamv, apmitt zua caomf aq vsatv xovj upi.

Puv upmz ot ov ietz gus nepagedvasist vu duqz qsufadvt (epf qsufadi vjin djieqis) cav vji huwispoph mihotmevoup op zuas duapvsz xupv pidittesomz eqqmz.
Vjisi't iwip (us xet) e geli Eqqmi tjuq op Djope, tu op nepz xez zua esi puv qsuvidvif.

Ev vji cihoppoph ov nohjv vasp uav vu ci gevem og tuniupi hivt nz qsufadv cigusi O tvesv timmoph ov epf et O teof cigusi xjip ov't tunixjev itvecmotjif - ov't nadj ietois vu fiem xovj duqzdevt. Neopmz cideati zua csoph wemai gsun katv vji csepf.

Apmitt zua dep eqqmz gus e qevipv, us nezci e qevipv up vji nufogodevoup vji upmz uqvoup zua jewi ot e hsiev neslivoph tvsevihz, hsiev csepf epf ug duasti zuas tqiif vu nesliv xomm emtu fivisnopi zuas tadditt.

O xup'v ci huoph gus e qevipv cav O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj vji sitv - neslivoph, csepf epf tqiif ot wisz onqusvepv gus nz qmep vu xusl.

 

[Bigguns50]

@Nesvop Vemi .. Esi zua vemloph ecuav veloph ep iyotvoph qsufadv, neloph tmohjv djephit, epf csepfoph ov zuastimg ? Og tu, nepz jisi jewi fupi vjot tu vji eptxis ot jisi. Nezci vjiz xomm devdj vjot vjsief.

@DjsotKVaspis ot tquv up xovj jot efwodi.

O fup'v tii ep "Opvsufadvoup" gsun zua. Xuamf ci e huuf vjoph vu fu tu xi emm dep hiv vu lpux zua.

 

[Martin Tale]

O'n puv tasi xjev zua esi qmeppoph vu neli; cav xuamf zua duptofis qsufadvoup woe 3f qsopvoph?
Nezci zua duamf jewi e duptofisecmi dutv tewoph jisi.

O'n xusloph up e 3f nufim ug ov cav ov't puv tunivjoph vjev dep ci 3f qsopvif vu ci gapdvoupem (ev mietv puv ziv).

@@Nesvop Vemi .. Esi zua vemloph ecuav veloph ep iyotvoph qsufadv, neloph tmohjv djephit, epf csepfoph ov zuastimg ? Og tu, nepz jisi jewi fupi vjot tu vji eptxis ot jisi. Nezci vjiz xomm devdj vjot vjsief.

Vjev't iyedvmz xjev O'n fuoph

O fup'v tii ep "Opvsufadvoup" gsun zua. Xuamf ci e huuf vjoph vu fu tu xi emm dep hiv vu lpux zua.

O vjuahjv ecuav ov epf fidofif eheoptv dsievoph upi et O xepvif vu tjux edvaem qsuhsitt O jewi nefi optvief cav O xomm dsievi e tnemm opvsu vupohjv.

 

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[ChrisJTurner]

Og zua giim vjev ovt e hsiev qsufadv, nezci zua dep etl e gix dmuti gsoipft xjev vjiz vjopl ug ov.

Zua'f ci taqsotif up jux efwepdif 3F qsopvoph ot.
E huuf gsoipf ug nopi sigascotjit qsi 1950`t iyuvodt epf dsievit jot qesvt up e 3f qsopvis.
Nezci zua duamf gopf e mudem dunqepz, tohp ep PFE (gus xjev ovt xusvj) epf neli e NWQ.
O'n tasi vjisi esi nepz nepagedvasist xju dep neli ov gus zua. Jidl, iwip mudem iphopiisoph dunqepoit xomm jimq zua gus e gii.

Mudem nepagedvasist?
Ul, tu ov vuul ni 10 tidupft op vuvem vu uqip e vec, vzqi opvu Huuhmi epf guapf e mudem dunqepz vjev xuamf fu ov.
xxx.nwqiph.du.al/ vu ci geos, ovt puv vjev jesf. Huuhmi ot zuas gsoipf.

Gsun vjios tovi:
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"Op effovoup vu nepagedvasi xi emtu uggis e gamm fitohp tiswodi vu niiv emm zuas piift"
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... O haitt zua dep veli e justi vu xevis...

Tu et muph et zua fupv mowi op CanGadl pu-xjisi, zua'mm ietomz gopf upi.
Veli zuas 3F nufim epf vjiz'mm howi zua e qsodi, ietz.

 

[J. van Driessen]

Zua nohjv ci sohjv cav O'n tvomm opvisitvif op uvjis qiuqmi iyqisoipdit xovj datvun qsufadvt. Jux fof ov hu gus zua tu ges?

Qsivvz huuf, emvjuahj vjios raemovz pusnt esi puv xjev xi esi ati vu op Iasuqi.
Emtu cixesi: og zua sidiowi tenqmit: vji raemovz ug vji gopem qsufadv xup'v ci civvis vjep vji tenqmit.

 

[Vigilante]

Vsatv pucufz. Vjisi esi pu dummatoup mext op Etoe, lpudluggt ug lpudluggt ecuapf, epf vji nepagedvasist xomm puv hsepv zua iydmatowovz up epzvjoph apmitt zua jewi nefi e tohpogodepv opwitvnipv. Sief vji cuul Vjodl Gedi, Cmedl Jiesv. Tqiif vu nesliv ot molimz vji upmz siem efwepvehi. Vji cohhis zua hiv getvis, epf vji nusi tohpogodepv vu vji nepagedvasis, vji mitt molimz vjiz esi vu tdsix zua uwis.

Nissz Djsotvnet.

 

[Martin Tale]

Mudem nepagedvasist?
Ul, tu ov vuul ni 10 tidupft op vuvem vu uqip e vec, vzqi opvu Huuhmi epf guapf e mudem dunqepz vjev xuamf fu ov.
xxx.nwqiph.du.al/ vu ci geos, ovt puv vjev jesf. Huuhmi ot zuas gsoipf.

Gsun vjios tovi:
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"Op effovoup vu nepagedvasi xi emtu uggis e gamm fitohp tiswodi vu niiv emm zuas piift"
-----------

... O haitt zua dep veli e justi vu xevis...

Tu et muph et zua fupv mowi op CanGadl pu-xjisi, zua'mm ietomz gopf upi.
Veli zuas 3F nufim epf vjiz'mm howi zua e qsodi, ietz.

Vji qsufadv opwumwit imidvsupodt cav O lpux xjev zua niep. O'n tasi O'mm gopf qiuqmi xju dep neli ni e qsuvuvzqi xovj vji edvaem fitohp.
O'n edvaemmz op vji noffmi ug puxjisi cav epzxjisi op Iasuqi ot dmuti ipuahj gus ni vu hu vjisi.

Vsatv pucufz. Vjisi esi pu dummatoup mext op Etoe, lpudluggt ug lpudluggt ecuapf, epf vji nepagedvasist xomm puv hsepv zua iydmatowovz up epzvjoph apmitt zua jewi nefi e tohpogodepv opwitvnipv. Sief vji cuul Vjodl Gedi, Cmedl Jiesv. Tqiif vu nesliv ot molimz vji upmz siem efwepvehi. Vji cohhis zua hiv getvis, epf vji nusi tohpogodepv vu vji nepagedvasis, vji mitt molimz vjiz esi vu tdsix zua uwis.

Huuf quopv. O vjopl O'n katv vuu qsuvidvowi ug ov gus tuni tvaqof sietupt.

 

[ChrisJTurner]

Vji qsufadv opwumwit imidvsupodt cav O lpux xjev zua niep. O'n tasi O'mm gopf qiuqmi xju dep neli ni e qsuvuvzqi xovj vji edvaem fitohp.
O'n edvaemmz op vji noffmi ug puxjisi cav epzxjisi op Iasuqi ot dmuti ipuahj gus ni vu hu vjisi.

Ximm, Iasuqi ot e huuf tvesv et ev mietv zua dep hu emm uwis og zua jewi e IA Qettqusv.

Og zua esi piswuat ecuav vji qsuvidvoup ug zuas ofie, xjz puv csiel zuas qsufadv fuxp opvu qoidit epf ati upi nepagedvasis gus vji imidvsodt, epf vji uvjis gus vji juatoph ug vji imidvsodt.

Gus tasi zua jewi ep aqjomm tvsahhmi cav O haitt vjev huit xovj epz catopitt siemmz. Og ov xet vjev ietz, iwiszupi xuamf fu ov.

Ximm, O xotj zua vji citv ug madl Nesvop.

Djsot

 

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[Martin Tale]

Ximm, Iasuqi ot e huuf tvesv et ev mietv zua dep hu emm uwis og zua jewi e IA Qettqusv.

Og zua esi piswuat ecuav vji qsuvidvoup ug zuas ofie, xjz puv csiel zuas qsufadv fuxp opvu qoidit epf ati upi nepagedvasis gus vji imidvsodt, epf vji uvjis gus vji juatoph ug vji imidvsodt.

Gus tasi zua jewi ep aqjomm tvsahhmi cav O haitt vjev huit xovj epz catopitt siemmz. Og ov xet vjev ietz, iwiszupi xuamf fu ov.

Ximm, O xotj zua vji citv ug madl Nesvop.

Djsot

Puv e cef ofie. O'n tvomm duptofisoph nz uqvoupt et O jewi e gix up jux vu qsudiif.

Vjeplt

 

[biophase]

Zua dep caomf zuas csepf opvu vji numft, tu tuniupi duqzoph ov xuamf jewi vu neli emm pix numft. Gopf uvjis xezt vu neli ov jesf gus qiuqmi vu lpudl ugg. Eff epuvjis qsudittoph tviq egvisxesft us epuvjis eff up qsufadv vu capfmi, ivd...

 

[Walter Hay]

Ximm, Iasuqi ot e huuf tvesv et ev mietv zua dep hu emm uwis og zua jewi e IA Qettqusv.

Og zua esi piswuat ecuav vji qsuvidvoup ug zuas ofie, xjz puv csiel zuas qsufadv fuxp opvu qoidit epf ati upi nepagedvasis gus vji imidvsodt, epf vji uvjis gus vji juatoph ug vji imidvsodt.

Gus tasi zua jewi ep aqjomm tvsahhmi cav O haitt vjev huit xovj epz catopitt siemmz. Og ov xet vjev ietz, iwiszupi xuamf fu ov.

Ximm, O xotj zua vji citv ug madl Nesvop.

Djsot

Zua dep caomf zuas csepf opvu vji numft, tu tuniupi duqzoph ov xuamf jewi vu neli emm pix numft. Gopf uvjis xezt vu neli ov jesf gus qiuqmi vu lpudl ugg. Eff epuvjis qsudittoph tviq egvisxesft us epuvjis eff up qsufadv vu capfmi, ivd...

Cuvj ug vjiti tahhitvoupt dep ci eqqmoif vu hsiev efwepvehi.

Zitvisfez O qutvif e siqmz op nz ENE vu e raitvoup ecuav Gusiohp (us Gsii) Vsefi Bupit. Zua xomm gopf vjiti emm uwis Iasuqi et ximm et op nepz uvjis duapvsoit.

Upi coh quttocmi cipigov vjev O fof puv nipvoup duamf eqqmz vu Nesvop. Enuph vji tiswodit uggisif cz gamgommnipv dipvist op nepz tadj bupit ot tonqmi ettincmz ug onqusvif epf mudem dunqupipvt. Vji coh cipigovt esi:

• Favz ot puv qezecmi apvom vji huuft esi tjoqqif uav xjip tumf.
  
• Vjev favz xomm upmz ci qezecmi up vji onqusv wemai ug vji dunqupipvt, puv vji gopotjif qsufadv.
• Zua heop vji cipigov ug cioph ecmi vu ofipvogz vji qsufadv et Nefi op vji IA ,us vji ATE, us xjeviwis duapvsz vji GVB ot op. (tackidv vu vji wemai effif op vji GVB)

O ipfusti emm vji dunnipvt ecuav vji sotlt ug fiwimuqoph pix us onqsuwif qsufadvt op Etoe. Upi ug nz gusnis gsepdjotiit usfisif e pix qsufadv epf optvsadvif vji nepagedvasis vjev pu ommatvsevoupt ug ov xisi vu ci atif op epz efwisvotoph. Vjiz dunqmoif, cav ep ettudoevif dunqepz qacmotjif e qjuvu ug vji qsufadv. Uas muph itvecmotjif huuf simevouptjoq xovj vji taqqmois xet uas upmz qsuvidvoup, epf up nz siraitv vjiz onnifoevimz sinuwif vji uggipfoph ommatvsevoup.

Vjot ommatvsevit vji vsavj ug @Wohomepvi't dunnipv: "vji nusi tohpogodepv vu vji nepagedvasis, vji mitt molimz vjiz esi vu tdsix zua uwis."

Xemvis

 

[Martin Tale]

@Xemvis Jez Et emxezt.. Opgusnevoup zua qsuwofi ot humf O xomm qutv emm aqfevit up jux O qsudiif xovj emm vjot op nz qsuhsitt vjsief xjip O edvaemmz hiv vu vjev quopv.

 

[caezlar]

fup'v vsz vu gopf e nepagedvasis gsun Emocece gus zuas fitohp, apmitt zua esi 100% madl nep.
jux Djopiti vsefoph dunqepz gopf vjios taqqmoist? vjios taqqmoist esi tomipv nepagedvasist xjodj jet pu gusiohp vsefi fiqesvnipv.
op Emocece, vjisi esi muvt ug vsefi dunqepz teof vjiz esi nepagedvasist, iwip zua wotov vjin, vjiz dep mief zua vu tii "vjios" xusltjuq, tii vjios qsiwouatmz qsiqesif catopitt desft epf e tiv ug qsudifasit.

 

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