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LOL. The posts here are very funny, and sad. I CLEARLY stated that I am not making excuses. I am 23 not 35.
Let me explain AGAIN for the idiots. If you are 35 and are scripted your whole life do you think one moment will undo 35 years of bad habits and conditioning? This is as if someone who just started hitting the gym at 35 will be in the same shape as someone who has been hitting the gym hard at 12. By the time the guy is 25 he will have a better body then the guy at 35 even if he turns 55 and works out 20 years.
Lame. There is no real-world thinking here. Hey, you're the one who sounds like a washed-up Uber driver. Why are you making the claim?
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Let’s be real, can you make it when your past 35? Now I KNOW what more then the majority of this site will say. “Of course you can! There are so many examples! You can do anything you set your mind to!”

The reality is that one’s youth is HIGHLY HIGHLY influential in the direction of one’s life. Take a guy who got bullied since pre school. He will grow up thinking he is unlovable. This will cause him to not try in anything. This will then further reinforce his low value even further creating a downward spiral. Can he fix this? Of course. And many have. But some won’t. And those that didn’t receive that negative feedback will have a major advantage.

The same with any skill. If you are 6’7 and want to join the NBA at 31 you have no shot. The guy who was 6’7 and wanted to join the NBA since 7 will outclass you 10000%.

I think the same could be with entrepreneurship or with anything. The younger you are the more positive reference experience you will get which will further reinforce your level of output and energy to get the result. The upward spiral of awesomeness. The opposite holds true as well.

Let’s be honest. How many that start (key word start) at 35 actually make it?
I grew up to abusive parents who never graduated high school. They whooped my a$$ silly and neglected me regularly. I have depression to this day because of it. While I am only 27, so not technically a member of your described range, I think I stand as an example that people can and do regularly overcome childhood adversity. I became an All-American in track, received a masters, taught myself software development and then built an app that attracted investment. And that last bit was in the past year. Am I bragging? Yes I am. And I'm doing it to prove a point; your upbringing has influence over life outcomes, but it is not a determinant. That is an important distinction. people who plod through life with a victim mindset will live as victims. That is their identity. You can change your identity once you become aware of what it is and that it needs to change. It take serious, painful work. But For those who want it bad enough, they will do it.
 
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Lame. There is no real-world thinking here. Hey, you're the one who sounds like a washed-up Uber driver. Why are you making the claim? I'm thinking someone has hurt your feelings.
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Time ie the currency of life. Some people dabble in business and they will be DEMOLISHED by people that don’t. Same with the guy starting a business in the same industry as someone who started at age 16 compared to the guy starting at 35. It will discourage him further while the guy at 16 is in an epic upward spiral. This isn’t being negative. It’s literally nature at work where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
 

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Time ie the currency of life. Some people dabble in business and they will be DEMOLISHED by people that don’t. Same with the guy starting a business in the same industry as someone who started at age 16 compared to the guy starting at 35. It will discourage him further while the guy at 16 is in an epic upward spiral. This isn’t being negative. It’s literally nature at work where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Nobody is stopping you from sticking with the sidewalk.
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Nobody is stopping you from sticking with the sidewalk.
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Lmao. I’m just stating facts. I’m not saying you can’t be a “fastlaner” or someone who starts their own business at 35. I’m just saying it’s harder. And I’m writing this post for young people like me to have a sense of URGENCY. Most people my age are complete losers. Wasting away their lives in 9-5. Always saying “later”. Well I’ve talked to a lot of people older that 37 and they all say time FLIES. Do the things you KNOW will push you ahead.
 

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The only point that I might agree with the OP on is that you can't be a complete dumbass in order to succeed as an entrepreneur (and even then, I'm not sure if my statement is true). Other than that, the idea that turning 35 somehow nullifies your ability to CREATE and DELIVER value is laughable.
 
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The only point that I might agree with the OP on is that you can't be a complete dumbass in order to succeed as an entrepreneur (and even then, I'm not sure if my statement is true). Other than that, the idea that turning 35 somehow nullifies your ability to CREATE and DELIVER value is laughable.
Yes even at 35 you can create a better life but most wont due to ego. Even for me at 23 I find myself growing an ego. What is an ego? Doing the same thing over and over again, children are less susctible to an ego as they are young and life is fresh. But as you get older life can get stale. You HAVE to do painful things to wake you up from your slumber.
 

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Yes even at 35 you can create a better life but most wont due to ego. Even for me at 23 I find myself growing an ego. What is an ego? Doing the same thing over and over again, children are less susctible to an ego as they are young and life is fresh. But as you get older life can get stale. You HAVE to do painful things to wake you up from your slumber.
If they have a huge ego, then that's their problem. There are plenty of 50 year old construction workers who think "earning a paycheck" from their company is somehow the hallmark of their lives.

If they're that brainwashed/stupid, they have no one to blame but themselves. You sound like a relatively intelligent person (if not a bit misguided) so I don't know why you would bother obsessing over what other people do.

The fact there are stupid/delusional/egotistical people doesn't bother me at all. For example, I argue with people on the subject of politics all the time (for fun), and the fact that a lot of people don't even understand basic economics has no effect whatsoever on me. If they want to remain ignorant, that's their choice (and an opportunity for me to mock and laugh at them relentlessly for my personal entertainment).
 

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Playing devils advocate but they probably started in their 20's. Let me reiterate. Someone who has been SCRIPTED THEIR WHOLE LIFE UNTIL 35. What does this mean? They do as their told. They NEVER went off script or go off the "plan". They were a "good" person. But life doesn't care if your a "good" person who does as he is told and goes according to plan.
The people who succeed I guarantee were "rebels" or failed multiple times before they made it big. They already had that rebellious side to them. Im talking about if a "nice" guy at 35 can change into that rebellioius entrepreneur, is that even possible?
Worked corporate job until 33. Read RDPD. Quit, started my business at 36.

Lol, your guarantee means nothing.
 

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Lmao. I’m just stating facts. I’m not saying you can’t be a “fastlaner” or someone who starts their own business at 35. I’m just saying it’s harder. And I’m writing this post for young people like me to have a sense of URGENCY. Most people my age are complete losers. Wasting away their lives in 9-5. Always saying “later”. Well I’ve talked to a lot of people older that 37 and they all say time FLIES. Do the things you KNOW will push you ahead.

Your delusional man.

People here who are older are more likely, way more life experience and skills picked up on there journey.
 

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Well I’ve talked to a lot of people older that 37 and they all say time FLIES.
at least, this comment is true. i am 43 and i feel that time is flying like a rocket.

so there are 2 ways to be free.

either you become rich

or you learn to live with nothing like monks or people living the van life on the road and so on .

my opinion is that freedom and time are more important than money because i am on earth for superior goals ( spiritual and so on)



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This thread in a nutshell:

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If I am understanding you correctly, what you are saying is, the older you get the less chance you can become successful because it gets harder to change, in a positive way, as you age…


Question: Can this be true?

Answer: WHY DA F#CK DOES IT MATTER???


If you are serious about it, you do whatever it takes to get it done.

Why is it even relevant if it feels harder???

Even if it is harder, it is clearly not impossible.

If you are not willing to make the required sacrifices to get what you want, then that is your own loss.

But it is not acceptable for anyone to blame their inaction on the way they feel.

This sort of thread only embraces a mentality of weakness and gives people an excuse about why they can’t do something.

For anyone to even be acknowledging that it is harder says everything about your mentality.
 
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This thread in a nutshell:

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If I am understanding you correctly, what you are saying is, the older you get the less chance you can become successful because it gets harder change, in a positive, as you age…


Question: Can this be true?

Answer: WHY DA F#CK DOES IT MATTER???


If you are serious about it, you do whatever it takes to get it done.

Why is it even relevant if it feels harder???

Even if it is harder, it is clearly not impossible.

If you are not willing to make the required sacrifices to get what you want, then that is your own loss.

But it is not acceptable for anyone to blame their inaction on the way they feel.

This sort of thread only embraces a mentality of weakness and gives people an excuse about why they can’t do something.

For anyone to even be acknowledging that it is harder says everything about your mentality.
I actually agree whole heartedly with this and forgot to add it. Though it will be harder it is possible but you have to attack it at all angles then the 20 year old does.
 

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If the primary point you are trying to make with this is for young people not to waste their time, then I agree with you on that. The time we have wasted we cannot ever get back.

However, it is important to have it in a way that older people who are only coming across this now and want to make a change in their lives, not to have a victim mentality.

An older person only starting out now may have many other skills and experiences that can be combined in a creative way and be a big benefit.

It is all in the way you look at it.

As for people who are carrying many wounds from their younger life which is impacting their present, I find it important to often remind ourselves that there are countless examples of people who overcame truly terrible things, and much worst than any of us could ever experience, and still managed to live successful and happy lives. By looking at what other people overcame, it is easier to be less wrapped up in our own problems and not feel sorry for ourselves.

I would recommend reading war memoirs of some POW experiences ("The Forgotten Highlander" and "Valleys of Death" are eye opening books among a few).
 
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This thread so far....

Brian Suh: If you're past 35 and deep in SCRIPT, you have no chance. Even if you do, you won't be as successful as someone who started in their 20's.

Forum: No dude, age doesn't play a big role as you think it does.

Brian Suh: Yes, it does. Look at those random people around you who are past 35 and gave up on their dreams.

Forum: Well, maybe look at STEVEO, BIOPHASE, JSCOTT, VIGILANTE(?) who were past 35 when they started and didn't give up on their dreams.

Brian Suh: But still look at those random people who are.........

@MJ DeMarco could you please put this thread out of it's misery, so that others can save their time and go execute their plan instead of reading this.

P.S. @Brian Suh based on the recent threads you created, it seems you are going through some low period. Perhaps, start a new thread and post the obstacles you are facing right now, instead of random rants, so that fellow fastlaners can help you get over it.
 
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I really don't think so.
I can do whatever I want, whenever I want if I believe I can. It's just about my attitude.
 

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This thread so far....

Brian Suh: If you're past 35 and deep in SCRIPT, you have no chance. Even if you do, you won't be as successful as someone who started in their 20's.

Forum: No dude, age doesn't play a big role as you think it does.

Brian Suh: Yes, it does. Look at those random people around you who are past 35 and gave up on their dreams.

Forum: Well, maybe look at STEVEO, BIOPHASE, JSCOTT, VIGILANTE(?) who were past 35 when they started and didn't give up on their dreams.

Brian Suh: But still look at those random people who are.........

@MJ DeMarco could you please put this thread out of it's misery, so that others can save their time and go execute their plan instead of reading this.

P.S. @Brian Suh based on the recent threads you created, it seems you are going through some low period. Perhaps, start a new thread and post the obstacles you are facing right now, instead of random rants, so that fellow fastlaners can help you get over it.

Best idea on here!

We all go through hard times and we can cheer you a long the way!
 

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Let me play devils advocate too! No, you can't! If you're over age of 35, you're done. Just get somewhat tolerable job and grind through until you die.
Or, forget everything you know about yourself and life in general, to start working towards the life you want, or don't... No one cares. It's your decision to make.
I might sound like an a**hole, but it's pointless to add on top of countless replies: "of course, you can, look at this example".
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't - you're right!"
Go around screaming: "We're all doomed!" or - man up and get shit done!
Well that's a different kettle of fish. It's unlikely even with an epiphany. Unless it shakes them to their core, even then, I'd say it would depend on their post epiphany ACTIONS, environment, and closest relationships.

As a lifelong compliant zombie, it's be like Sysihpys sp?

I recommended the Fastlane to my elder brother, but I'm not holding my breath.

I hope his financia, job and unresolved divorce settlement frustrations wake him up to at least the concept of considering a side hustle, but my breath remains unheald.
 

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Let’s be real, can you make it when your past 35? Now I KNOW what more then the majority of this site will say. “Of course you can! There are so many examples! You can do anything you set your mind to!”

The reality is that one’s youth is HIGHLY HIGHLY influential in the direction of one’s life. Take a guy who got bullied since pre school. He will grow up thinking he is unlovable. This will cause him to not try in anything. This will then further reinforce his low value even further creating a downward spiral. Can he fix this? Of course. And many have. But some won’t. And those that didn’t receive that negative feedback will have a major advantage.

The same with any skill. If you are 6’7 and want to join the NBA at 31 you have no shot. The guy who was 6’7 and wanted to join the NBA since 7 will outclass you 10000%.

I think the same could be with entrepreneurship or with anything. The younger you are the more positive reference experience you will get which will further reinforce your level of output and energy to get the result. The upward spiral of awesomeness. The opposite holds true as well.

Let’s be honest. How many that start (key word start) at 35 actually make it?
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I think that leaving the Script is not something only elite can do. Your examples seem to imply that "making it" is only for highly gifted people (NBA? Of course at 35 you have no chance!).

You have no idea how much my life changed in the last few years: I HAD to work every day, if I didn't work I did not earn.

In August I'll be on holiday for 20 days, and for the first time in my life I'll be earning more than what I spend while cruising, staying on beaches and enjoying life with my wife. With 0 hours of work (ok, maybe not really 0, but you get the point).

I'm also extremely prudent, and believe me when I say I'm no superhero.

Oh, and I'm 44.

But getting out of the script? I think it's for many of us. I KNOW it.
Maybe you won't be the next Jeff Bezos, but you will be able bring freedom in your life.

If that's your goal, of course. Or maybe it isn't?
I applaud your approach to freedom in life in 45...always enjoy your staying on beaches....you have motivated me
 

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Lmao. I’m just stating facts. I’m not saying you can’t be a “fastlaner” or someone who starts their own business at 35. I’m just saying it’s harder. And I’m writing this post for young people like me to have a sense of URGENCY. Most people my age are complete losers. Wasting away their lives in 9-5. Always saying “later”. Well I’ve talked to a lot of people older that 37 and they all say time FLIES. Do the things you KNOW will push you ahead.
It's easier really. You have more life experience and know how the world works far better at 35 than at 25.

Say it's a 'fact' is pretty funny. Care to try and prove your fact?
 

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To be honest 23 years old is getting kinda pretty late in the game these days also.

23 is nearly 30 and 30 is more than half way to 50. At 50 you’re nearly dead.

I’d say if you aren’t on about your 5th or 6th revenue stream by around 18 years old it’s nearly complete game over.
 

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It's so awkward when teenagers try to give life lessons and tell older People what's what in life.

I know we all think we know best when we are in our teens. But come on, This thread and the responses he gives to People (calling other posters idiot etc) is on another level.

There is youthful arrogance, and then it's People like that guy. The problem is obviously within him, nothing else.
 

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Lmao. I’m just stating facts. I’m not saying you can’t be a “fastlaner” or someone who starts their own business at 35. I’m just saying it’s harder. And I’m writing this post for young people like me to have a sense of URGENCY. Most people my age are complete losers. Wasting away their lives in 9-5. Always saying “later”. Well I’ve talked to a lot of people older that 37 and they all say time FLIES. Do the things you KNOW will push you ahead.
No, no, no, you have no facts here. You're making it up as you go along.
Here's what I think happened, Fastlane.
As he used the image of an Uber driver early on, 23-yr-old OP got into a convo with an exotic Uber driver and wanted to be admired back, so he agreed with all the sophomoric little pearls of wisdom that bored cab drivers toss out as a way to make the shift more tolerable. OP thought he was talking to Moses of the Bible himself or Genghis Khan. He decided the bullsh*t would make a Hot Topic here.
 
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If you plant a seed at 12 and someone plants the same seed at 35 and both live to 80 the one who planted their seeds at 12 will be at a huge head start. And it compounds. That’s not to say you won’t get good results if you plant a seed at 35
It's so awkward when teenagers try to give life lessons and tell older People what's what in life.

I know we all think we know best when we are in our teens. But come on, This thread and the responses he gives to People (calling other posters idiot etc) is on another level.

There is youthful arrogance, and then it's People like that guy. The problem is obviously within him, nothing else.
age has nothing to do with maturity. I’ve met brilliant and grounded 15 year olds and I’ve also met egotistical losers in their 40s. Yes people can change. But the majority WONT. I am NOT being cynical. At the next family dinner look around. They will be the same or worse. No one ever stays the same. They are either increasing or decreasing in their life. And almost 95% are decreasing.
 

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In real life you will see much more successful entrepreneurs in late 30s or 40s, because they have the skill, network, money, connection and all rounded capability (mostly mental maturity).

The problem with 20s is not that they are into party (that’s a different segment of the population). The problem with 20s is that they tend to overestimate themselves and refuse to compromise. A lot of decision can be ego driven. Once example is the OFO founder who refused buyout offers and refused management overhaul advice from their investor. Eventually he drove his business to the ground.

The way I under the OPs questions is that can you be a 35 year old that start from scratch? No skill, no money, no network and trying to join a new industry to figure it out later. Yes you can but not without significant personal sacrifice that a 25 year old (similarly no skill and broke) don’t have to face. Family commitment is one thing. Continue to live with parents past 35 could draw strange glances. You may be single, but trying to have romance at 40 being broke will limit the options later. Even if you are a millionaire at 45 and marries late, your kid is 12 years younger than the kid of your high school buddy. Not a bad deal but don’t tell me there is no sacrifice.

If you are a former google employee drawing 100k salary with VC connection, quitting your job at 37 and starting an internet company is a different starting point. You got enough resources for your family set aside. Head you win you are worth 8 digits now. Tail the VC lose their money you go back to work as an IT professional. Totally different risk to reward ratio in entrepreneurship.
 

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To be honest 23 years old is getting kinda pretty late in the game these days also.

23 is nearly 30 and 30 is more than half way to 50. At 50 you’re nearly dead.

I’d say if you aren’t on about your 5th or 6th revenue stream by around 18 years old it’s nearly complete game over.
Let's be real... if you haven't been selling candys for a profit in kindergarten...

If you plant a seed at 12 and someone plants the same seed at 35 and both live to 80 the one who planted their seeds at 12 will be at a huge head start. And it compounds. That’s not to say you won’t get good results if you plant a seed at 35
And what's the point about this?
Do you want to tell anybody at 35 years and above to not even try?

The truth is you are way behind too if you haven't started your first site hustles in kindergarten.
Many of the all time greats have started at that age.
But should this be a reason to not try if you have only started your first sidehustle with 12?

I agree with your point. Of course someone that starts earlier than someone else has a higher probability of success everything else being equal but so what?
You are however old you are today and you can't change it so why care about it.
Focus on what you control.

Also, not everyone wants to become a billionaire (most don't)... if you just want to be financialy free 2-3 million dollars will do and you don't have to be young, a genius and working 100 hours per week to achieve this.
 

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Let's be real... if you haven't been selling candys for a profit in kindergarten...


And what's the point about this?
Do you want to tell anybody at 35 years and above to not even try?

The truth is you are way behind too if you haven't started your first site hustles in kindergarten.
Many of the all time greats have started at that age.
But should this be a reason to not try if you have only started your first sidehustle with 12?

I agree with your point. Of course someone that starts earlier than someone else has a higher probability of success everything else being equal but so what?
You are however old you are today and you can't change it so why care about it.
Focus on what you control.

Also, not everyone wants to become a billionaire (most don't)... if you just want to be financialy free 2-3 million dollars will do and you don't have to be young, a genius and working 100 hours per week to achieve this.
I was being mega sarcastic to go with the depressing tone of the OP.

Threads like this are the peak of “mentally playing business” since OP most likely isn’t doing anything and has zero real skin in the game.

It’s like arguing supercar engine stats and with someone who is taking the bus.

No one here wants to be average so who cares what the statistics say. The whole aim of Fastlane is to make your own rules and to be an outliner. There is no average with entrepreneurship - you either make it or you don’t.

If you are 35 then you’re 35 - why waste another 40 plus years when you got time on the clock. You can’t go back in time.

If you’re 23 then you’re 23 - stop worrying about anyone else’s age.

Last post on this thread - it makes me feel like I’m getting stupider.
 

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If you plant a seed at 12 and someone plants the same seed at 35 and both live to 80 the one who planted their seeds at 12 will be at a huge head start. And it compounds. That’s not to say you won’t get good results if you plant a seed at 35

age has nothing to do with maturity. I’ve met brilliant and grounded 15 year olds and I’ve also met egotistical losers in their 40s. Yes people can change. But the majority WONT. I am NOT being cynical. At the next family dinner look around. They will be the same or worse. No one ever stays the same. They are either increasing or decreasing in their life. And almost 95% are decreasing.
No, evolution has given human mammals the innate drive to develop or *unfold" across the lifespan.
Some individuals have a clue, some use trial and error, some have maladaption but all respond some way or other throughout life.
There is no experience of a "moment' essential to growth at any stage.
Nearly all change happens without "moments" of awareness, Dr. Doolittle.
 

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Thread summary:

- Brian Suh: Over 35, you don't have a chance.
- Several forum users: I got it after 35.
- Brian Suh: No, idiots, you are wrong.

You are not learning a simple lesson with facts. That is why you will never create a business, because it requires learning thousands of lessons, from the facts, from reality. The worst mistake is to believe that you already know everything to succeed.

The worst thing is that with your ego and your lack of humility and respect that I imagine comes from childhood complexes not overcome, not only will you not be able to not create a business, but you will suffer all your life. The positive part is that you can change, but it's hard and the first step is to accept it. Life awaits you, it depends on you.

By the way, enough for me, I stop watching the thread.
 
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