Juicing...The Fastlane to Weightloss?

[Marigold]

Considering starting an overall dietary thread where everyone (vegans and carnivores alike) are welcome to discuss their positions and why. My introductory thread where I briefly mentioned it didn't go well at all.

Diet has become as inflammatory (pun) as politics these days. Vegans and carnivores are the classic right v left diametrically opposed 'sides'. Not sure how helpful it would be.

I was a raw vegan for 4.5 years and did a whole bunch of juicing. Can quite honestly say it's the most unhealthiest I've ever been in my life.

I think everyone goes on their own journey with diet and we all tend to think our way is the 'right' way when it's actually just a pile of bollocks.

One thing we all need to agree on right now and particularly vegans and carnivores is that decentralising our food supply ought to be our number 1 priority!!

 

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[suvv]

I think everyone goes on their own journey with diet and we all tend to think our way is the 'right' way when it's actually just a pile of bollocks.

I made some people very upset when I mentioned my diet. Shit is so F*cking upsetting the way people pester you about it in attempt to discredit you. “But why do you feel this way? Do you have a SOURCE?”

Personal opinion? F*ck sources. In my mind you can’t survive off plants and seeds in the wild. You will die. That’s all that needs to make sense to me.

 

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[Marigold]

I made some people very upset when I mentioned my diet. Shit is so f*cking upsetting the way people pester you about it in attempt to discredit you. “But why do you feel this way? Do you have a SOURCE?”

Personal opinion? f*ck sources. In my mind you can’t survive off plants and seeds in the wild. You will die. That’s all that needs to make sense to me.

Yes, the minute scarcity sets in, veganism goes clean out the window...

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

If a juice diet is effective, my guess is not because of what you added, but because of what you subtracted. Instead of eating artery clogging cheese and red meat, you are drinking green juice. . . addition by subtraction. Over time, I wouldn't expect such a diet to be sustainable, but it could give your digestive system some time to reset its microbiome.

150 years if we ate properly.

LOL, which according to you is a steady diet of meat and dairy. While I agree that less food and fasting is definitely helpful, I can't wait to see what you look like at my age, assuming you even make it to my age.

I was a raw vegan for 4.5 years and did a whole bunch of juicing. Can quite honestly say it's the most unhealthiest I've ever been in my life.

I've been vegan 5+ years, never been healthier in my life, I take zero medications, and every ailment I suffered from in my 40s is now gone in my 50s. The only issues I suffer from are from past athletic injuries which tend to be structural over biochemistry or immune related.

So does my experience cancel yours?

Considering starting an overall dietary thread where everyone (vegans and carnivores alike) are welcome to discuss their positions and why. My introductory thread where I briefly mentioned it didn't go well at all.

Please don't.

I'm not interested in propaganda put forth by the beef council, just like you aren't interested in hearing "vegan propaganda", you know, because "god gave us dominion over animals", oh so nice of that omnipotent bearded white man in the heavens gave us power over creatures less intelligent than us. Amazing people still believe that dogmatic nonsense, but then in the same paragraph want to appear to have an intelligent argument. Hard to take someone seriously when by all measures, they're citing Santa Claus as a foundation for their beliefs.

You haven't been here long enough, but religion, politics, and now dietary topics are not for discussion.

The chances that you or I can change anyone's opinion is about the same as me convincing a bible-thumper that his precious book wasn't written by God, or lessor, translated by some divine prophet.

Yes, the minute scarcity sets in, veganism goes clean out the window...

Nice slippery slope argument. We don't have scarcity, we have abundance. In apocalyptic situations, every "X" goes out the window. If you're hungry enough, you'd eat your neighbor if it came to it, so your scarcity argument is bunk.

That said, I have no doubt a plant-based diet didn't work for you as I can't imagine it would work for a fair amount of the population. For every empirical evidence you cite (random YouTubers with a bone to pick) I can cite professional athletes with MILLIONS OF DOLLARS on the line, and their career. Because of plant-based diets, many pro athletes are extending their careers beyond their normal life span ... if they're right about their diet, they earn millions, if they're wrong, they lose millions.

I'll trust their empirical experience (and mine) over some YouTuber with 140 subscribers begging for likes and comments.