Is city life about to change forever?

[MTF]

Anyone thinking of leaving the city should move to Texas. The fact that's the second largest state in the country makes it easy to find cheap land and in any environment you like.

If you love living there, you shouldn't invite others lol. Once everyone starts moving there, it will get ruined.

As for the thread, recently a much less reputable site published a similar article on Los Angeles:

Hollywood Apocalypse: The rich and famous are fleeing in droves

CAROLINE GRAHAM: The pandemic has made many in Hollywood realise they don't need to live in LA - or anywhere near it - to keep working.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's not really a new trend caused by the virus. History shows that all big and trendy cities eventually collapse. The pandemic just accelerated the pace of change.

 

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[Likwid24]

I talked to someone in Florida today that is looking for a house to buy/rent. She said that the RE market is so hot right now that homes last only 24-48 hours on the market. They're being paid for in cash. People like her, who need a mortgage, have almost no chance of buying something. This is all from people moving out of the city.

Same thing Happening all over. NJ, PA. I've been snooping around New Jersey. Houses are gone within a week for above asking price. Bidding wars. If you're buying on contingency, forget it.

 

[Stash]

Wild thread. Thanks for sharing the videos and articles. I'm here in Las Vegas and the casino industry is definitely hurting. People are still buying homes like crazy but I think that's mainly due to lower interest rates. I'm not convinced that it's the best time to buy but what do I know? I think it's a wait and see game as well.

With some casinos/hotels closing mid-week because they can't maintain occupancy, it's unsustainable. I have a close friend to the high-roller entertainment side of the industry and these people bring in big money, but keeping them happy when the casinos are working with 50% capacity and social distancing to boot, it's unsustainable long term.

So what opportunities are here? What internet business can be created to help solve some problems if there are any? This likely means more people online trying to connect with each other on a regular basis or for work. Social entertainment online might get a boost. Not just work meetings, but gaming, online social gatherings? I'm sure there's lots of changes coming so I'd like to see how I can get ahead of it and profit from it.

 

[WJK]

This is a super interesting read...

NYC Is Dead Forever... Here's Why - James Altucher

I love NYC. When I first moved to NYC, it was a dream come true. Every corner was like a theater production happening right in front of me. So much personality, so many stories. Every subculture I loved was in NYC. I could play chess all day and night. I could go to comedy clubs. …

jamesaltucher.com

I would like to see what the people on here who are state side think of this and any other trends they might see coming.

I lived in the Los Angeles area for 30 years and I loved it. Now I'm retired and live in the woods with the moose. I pined for my life in LA for years. Now, with all this happening, I'm just glad to have a safe, quiet place to live.

 

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[AFMKelvin]

If you love living there, you shouldn't invite others lol. Once everyone starts moving there, it will get ruined.

As for the thread, recently a much less reputable site published a similar article on Los Angeles:

Hollywood Apocalypse: The rich and famous are fleeing in droves

CAROLINE GRAHAM: The pandemic has made many in Hollywood realise they don't need to live in LA - or anywhere near it - to keep working.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's not really a new trend caused by the virus. History shows that all big and trendy cities eventually collapse. The pandemic just accelerated the pace of change.

Like I said Texas is huge. And I wasn't inviting people to come to the city but the country side. There's enough land for everyone.

 

[MetalGear]

• Macroeconomic trends say short-term there will be an exodus
• Long-term, I would still flip in the area, definitely not holding anymore rentals
• Luckily I am just outside of NYC and have interest in my current rental
• Seeing the same thing as @Likwid24, NJ/PA are experiencing an influx, even DE
• Manhattan proper will definitely take a hit
• Financial services companies already began their risk mitigation and business continuity plans after 9/11, this will likely move them towards more remote work
• Middle and back offices were moved to NJ/CT, North Carolina, and Utah mainly

 

[minivanman]

This is the way it was when we bought this house (Texas). If we would have needed a loan, we would have never of gotten it.

Hell no! If you are thinking about moving, move some where else besides Texas! Don't make traffic any worse than it already is. Move to Mississippi, they have very nice white beaches, all we have in Texas is trashy b!tches

 

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[Likwid24]

If you love living there, you shouldn't invite others lol. Once everyone starts moving there, it will get ruined.

Not sure why you wouldn't want more like minded individuals moving closer to you.

BTW - me and my wife are considering Texas when I retire from the FDNY in 5 years. We've been looking at areas south of Houston (we need to be close to a beach). Friendswood seems like a great town.

 

[MTF]

Not sure why you wouldn't want more like minded individuals moving closer to you.

Because while at first you might be getting more like-minded individuals, eventually everyone wants to move there, including - inevitably - people who end up ruining the place. I might be a little cynical, but I think that if you want a place to retain its magic, you can't invite too many outsiders (and those who do come need to be the right fit, respecting the locals and integrating into the community).

It's one of the golden rules of surfing that you don't share any secrets spots because once a spot stops being a secret, it gets ruined by crowds and eventually surfers who don't follow basic etiquette/don't share your values/are aggressive/have no idea what they're doing. It might be fun to surf with a few of your buddies (like-minded individuals) but eventually, if more and more people know about the spot, the fun you have there declines due to the crowds and people who aren't like-minded.

Same thing happens with national parks. I know one place that used to be a quiet place where only people "in the know" used to go (in contrast to another place that has always been extremely crowded). As it became more and more popular, now it's frequented by Karens and Chads who go there only to take selfies while crowding the trails, destroying the environment, and the local vibe.

Same with tourist/expat destinations. For example, Byron Bay in Australia used to be a hippy, alternative town with little infrastructure, attracting mostly surfers and hippies. Nowadays, due to a huge increase in popularity it's the opposite of what it once was - it's crowded, catering to rich people, with some of the highest real estate prices in the entire country. Maybe the first surfers/hippies who invited other surfers/hippies were happy at first but I'm pretty sure that today they aren't happy with what happened to "their" hippy town.

I wonder how many Texans will be happy if Texas turns into another NYC or LA. For this reason, if I lived in Texas, I wouldn't encourage everyone but a few close friends to move there.

 

[Burton]

I live in Cracow and to be honest not much has changed. There are just two things I consider unusual:
- wearing masks in shops,
- fewer people on the main market area but it's obvious because there are fewer tourists.

Other than that I think it's pretty normal here. I went to Kazimierz last weekend which is a well-known district in Cracow and I couldn't believe but there were literally tons of people on the streets and restaurants. I asked one of the waitress from a restaurant we went to if it's normal and she told me that it's the same every weekend and even during a week there are a lot of people.

Clubs are open as well which is strange for me because you can go there without a mask and party all night long.

I don't think there will much change in the future as well. I'm from the IT world and have some connections with companies around Cracow that went fully remote. You can think that remote work is a future but they are having pretty tough times with their employees who don't want and can't work at their homes. Believe me or not, but most of their employees are these ones who already want to go back to work in the office.

 

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[Likwid24]

Because while at first you might be getting more like-minded individuals, eventually everyone wants to move there, including - inevitably - people who end up ruining the place. I might be a little cynical, but I think that if you want a place to retain its magic, you can't invite too many outsiders (and those who do come need to be the right fit, respecting the locals and integrating into the community).

I'll have to disagree with this. Texas is no secret. In fact, it's as big topic of conversation here in NY along with Florida and the Carolinas. People will move where they want to move.

 

[MTF]

People will move where they want to move.

Of course they will. I just think it's sensible to account for this and ask yourself how it will impact Texas in the next few years/decades.

 

[minivanman]

Y'all must not know that we just had 1/2 of California move here since 1017! No joke, I used to get 15 texts a week wanting to know if I had any electric dryers. My response was..... did you just move from California? Then they would say, "Yes! How did you know?" And I would say... because you are the 12th or 15th or what ever number it was from California this week that has asked that question. We do not need any more people here. Down by Houston is perfect.... 5 hours away from the DFW area

By the way.... California must have gas for dryers, here in Texas we use electric.

MTF.... No, I don't need my close friends here either, I can go visit them every few months.

 

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[mr4ffe]

For $100 a month you get 40 MBS of data almost anywhere in Texas.

No fiber in Texas?

 

[AFMKelvin]

No fiber in Texas?

There is in the city. But my post was about the country side. If you live out in the middle of nowhere like I do there's nothing. The only thing that's available is electricity and water. No sewer system, phone lines, cable or internet.

 

[AFMKelvin]

Y'all must not know that we just had 1/2 of California move here since 1017! No joke, I used to get 15 texts a week wanting to know if I had any electric dryers. My response was..... did you just move from California? Then they would say, "Yes! How did you know?" And I would say... because you are the 12th or 15th or what ever number it was from California this week that has asked that question. We do not need any more people here. Down by Houston is perfect.... 5 hours away from the DFW area

By the way.... California must have gas for dryers, here in Texas we use electric.

MTF.... No, I don't need my close friends here either, I can go visit them every few months.

Yup I don't think other states understand the push back of Texans trying to keep Californians out. They even created a slogan for it " Don't California my Texas."

Don't California My Texas - History of a Polarizing Phrase - Reform Austin

"Don't California my Texas" - This represents a partisan resistance to change and attempts to pit the states against each other. Read more at Reform Austin.

www.google.com

 

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[Thoelt53]

I believe this video was from 2 months back during the riots/ looting.

When did they stop?

 

[Thoelt53]

Sounds like almost time to start buying NYC real estate.

Unless there is a major change in NYS/NYC government, I wouldn’t even consider it. Their policies/taxes are literally driving the wealth out.

 

[Thoelt53]

Yup I don't think other states understand the push back of Texans trying to keep Californians out. They even created a slogan for it " Don't California my Texas."

Don't California My Texas - History of a Polarizing Phrase - Reform Austin

"Don't California my Texas" - This represents a partisan resistance to change and attempts to pit the states against each other. Read more at Reform Austin.

www.google.com

It’s entirely reasonable. New Hampshire, previously the “Live Free or Die” state, has been overrun and inundated with liberal Massholes. They fled Massachusetts to be in a freer state, only to bring their idiotic logic with them.

Texans beware.

There is a huge influx of people moving into the Midwest and Florida from the cities, i.e. the East and West Coasts. Which is fine and dandy, considering I might do the same. Unfortunately these urbanites are going to pollute and corrupt these states in the coming decade or two.

 

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[Likwid24]

Yup I don't think other states understand the push back of Texans trying to keep Californians out. They even created a slogan for it " Don't California my Texas."

Don't California My Texas - History of a Polarizing Phrase - Reform Austin

"Don't California my Texas" - This represents a partisan resistance to change and attempts to pit the states against each other. Read more at Reform Austin.

www.google.com

Seems most went to Austin

 

[Likwid24]

It’s entirely reasonable. New Hampshire, previously the “Live Free or Die” state, has been overrun and inundated with liberal Massholes. They fled Massachusetts to be in a freer state, only to bring their idiotic logic with them.

Texans beware.

There is a huge influx of people moving into the Midwest and Florida from the cities, i.e. the East and West Coasts. Which is fine and dandy, considering I might do the same. Unfortunately these urbanites are going to pollute and corrupt these states in the coming decade or two.

Most that I know are leaving to get away from the far left BS. They are like minded people that are tired of the democratic run cities that are turning to shit.

 

[GSF]

View: https://youtu.be/JVDWbQtbN7U

 

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[AFMKelvin]

Most that I know are leaving to get away from the far left BS. They are like minded people that are tired of the democratic run cities that are turning to shit.

They're not like minded at all. They're already turning Austin into a mini California. Police were just defunded, homeless camping on the streets have increased, and drugs are somewhat legal.

 

[WJK]

They're not like minded at all. They're already turning Austin into a mini California. Police were just defunded, homeless camping on the streets have increased, and drugs are somewhat legal.

They say that they want something different. And then they take those attitudes with them and try to make the new place like their old. Yuck. I wish they would come with an open mind.

 

[Zarathustra]

Let's wait til after the vaccine comes until we make any long-term predictions about cities being changed "forever".

Altho, I tend to think that there will be residual effects and an afterglow of sorts from the pandemic/riots.
Remember when remote work used to seem wacky/ineffective in the popular imagination? Not so much anymore.

 

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[WJK]

Let's wait til after the vaccine comes until we make any long-term predictions about cities being changed "forever".

Altho, I tend to think that there will be residual effects and an afterglow of sorts from the pandemic/riots.
Remember when remote work used to seem wacky/ineffective in the popular imagination? Not so much anymore.

I see a lot of changes that, in my mind, aren't going to bounce back. This is NOT the first time I have seen major changes. Around 1987-1988 I was a trophy wife to an executive for a major oil company. His office was in downtown Los Angeles in their highrise office building. That oil company took up 48 floors, plus their test convenience store was in a shopping mall located in the basement. Everyone had an office with a secretary, receptionist or personal assistant.

Then the PC was reduced to a laptop. The oil company sold its highrise and the "sister" building located next door to Japanese investors. They built a new building on the wrong side of the freeway -- a bad neighborhood. They fired or laid off all of the support workers. Then they only occupied 2 floors of the new building. They gave each employee left a laptop and a voice mail account. They had to make an appointment for office time in the new building. My husband left his job and went overseas to work after he filed for divorce.

I was a broker and a real estate appraiser so I had a front-row seat. Within a couple of years, the Japanese stock market failed. The investors dumped their buildings. The office building real estate market in Los Angeles failed -- we had huge highrise buildings with no tenants. It cascaded throughout the A, B, C, and D office markets. So did the warehouse market -- it failed too --on-time deliveries meant that the warehouse space wasn't needed anymore. That made the whole Savings and Loan industry fail, bank after bank. The "recession" lasted the whole decade. In the RE business, our mantra was "Stay alive 'til 1995." 1995 came and went with the downturn continuing. So, personally, I did what I wanted during those days. I went to law school and got my J.D.

We'll see what happens. I'm head-shy about it at the moment.