I'm sorry, but this is going to be painful for a lot of you...

[AndrewNC]

@AndrewNC could you please address the issues @Milkanic pointed out in his post?

If you'd like a full, honest, and transparent answer from me...

I honestly feel that the only issue here is how @Milkanic is wasting everyone's time in what he is doing.

It's bad enough that he throws around words to try to tarnish my name, when the basis of such allegations are completely ignorant and false. But whatever...this is not the first time someone who doesn't like me says bad things about me...I can deal with that.

But the bigger issue here is the waste of time...

To spent 15 minutes going through a video, writing down and making time stamps of specific things...

For what purpose?

It doesn't help anyone in this thread, it wastes my time having to read it, its wasting your time in feeling the need to jump in here, and mainly his time as well- when that time could be spent doing more important things such as, spending times with family & friends, working on his business, or something else.

So yeah, it's a huge issue with me how he's putting on 'college literary professor hat' and throwing around false terms like plagiarism, when #1 - he's wrong and has no clue what he's talking about and #2 - the purpose of this thread is to help people improve their habits in relation to business...and he derails it with non-sense.

So I guess with my firing back at him, you'd like me to address why #1 - he is wrong.

I never studied NLP under Tony. Instead, I was formally trained in NLP under Tad James and his son, Dr. Matt James. In 1988 (years before Tony), Tad published a book on the timeline technique: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0916990214/?tag=tff-amazonparser-20

I originally learned it from his son (my original NLP mentor), but got a deeper level understanding from his book he wrote decades ago. During my training (from people who did this years before Tony wrote about it), the same exact analogies and stories (smoking/christmas carol) are so common to anybody who knows this stuff in detail.

I think it was actually Richard Bandler (one of the original founders of NLP) who started teaching about that same technique; decades before that.

Whether it's my NLP trainers who have been doing this since before the 80's, myself who has been doing this for years, Tony, or anyone I train - that timeline technique is just as common in NLP as CPR is known in the first aid/medical world. To say something is plagiarized just because Tony has the best marketing about it is just not true at all.

It's how our mind works - so maybe we are all just 'plagiarizing' whatever higher power invented us...

To go into more detail of what I learned from my own personal NLP trainers who are glad I share this technique to help others....

In NLP, there are different tools and techniques:

1. The Timeline - This is how every human being stores every past, present, and (perception of) future memories. You access it by floating up out of your body and looking down at yourself. From there, you can float in the past to release limiting behaviors and past traumas, or float into the future to build up pain/desire (a common metaprogram) and use these metaprograms to optimize human behavior like I did in the original post here.

2. Association Techniques: When a consequence is far into the future, we don't feel the emotions right now; so the standard process is to float up on our timeline, float to a time in the future where the pain of the bad habit is so bad - and to fully associate in the 'future memory'. Seeing it as if we are looking through our own eyes, making it clear, bright, focused. Hearing the sounds, and feeling the feelings as if they are already here.

That is how anybody in NLP brings up emotions in the present moment (an important part for shifting habits).

And using the next technique to apply it to transform bad habits....

3. Submodalities - How the mind stores memories (not in relation to time): We bring it up in pictures. So if you bring up the visual of a bad habit (such as smoking), and then fill the visual with the emotions that were pulled up by the association technique - what this does is reprogram our perception of that thought.

So in the future, when a person thinks of the bad habit, it went through these standard NLP techniques - and the thought itself is filled with the negative emotions brought up from the rest of the techniques; and the bad habit is shifted (sometimes in one session, other times in 12).

More people deserve to know this stuff.

I forget all the examples I used in my original post because, quite frankly - it is a long a$$ post and I don't have the patience to read through something that long (I give props to the ones who take the time to read through my content), so I forget if I used the relationships analogy that Justin mentioned. If I did, it's because that's the area of my life I've been working on lately.

For the timeline/ghost of christmas future and past type thing/smoking examples- those are just as common in the NLP community as throwing around the phrase 'adding value' is to this forum. To have someone go out there and say its plagiarism to tell a local business owner who isn't a fastlane forum member to 'add value' - it just sounds ridiculous.

It's just the truth of what's out there and what works.

Metaphors and Analogies - Analogies are how we learn best. If you could think of any analogy that most people could relate to in terms of going into the past and future - the ghost of Christmas future thing is the obvious analogy that anyone can use. My trainers used it since the 80s.

So yeah - these are common analogies, practices, all the way down to the timeline metaphors and smoking being an example since Bandler made this stuff aware to us in the 60's - 70's.

Now I feel it's my job to distribute this information to the people who need it the most in the same way any CPR instructor across the country teaches what is common practice from the more well-known non-profit names that are associated with the technique.

So for @Milkanic to say any of this is' plagiarizing' Tony, just didn't feel worthy of my time for response, because it's just something he doesn't know anything about.

It's just annoying for a person to throw allegations my way that have no basis, and detracts from the best use of people's time on this forum.

To go out there into the world and add values - not take it away.

But hey, I've said a lot of crazy stuff on this forum and trolled in the past which wasted people's time, so we all make mistakes, learn from them -and we move on.

No hard feelings, just putting the truth out there.

 

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[Milkanic]

If we want to talk about wasting peoples time or adding value, why not link people to your sources rather than try to pass these ideas off as your own? There is nothing new here and disingenuous while pitching your coaching. Reverse image searching your diagrams should give some additional reading as well.

We are all on the path of self improvement but maybe hold off on writing books/coaching until you have something new to add. You are writing a book called Authentic Attraction with another's guy face on the cover. Think about it.

 

[Wolfman]

If you'd like a full, honest, and transparent answer from me...

I honestly feel that the only issue here is how @Milkanic is wasting everyone's time in what he is doing.

It's bad enough that he throws around words to try to tarnish my name, when the basis of such allegations are completely ignorant and false. But whatever...this is not the first time someone who doesn't like me says bad things about me...I can deal with that.

But the bigger issue here is the waste of time...

To spent 15 minutes going through a video, writing down and making time stamps of specific things...

For what purpose?

I saw a lengthy response you made to someone saying you're plagiarizing. First of all it's not true legally (I'm a lawyer). Second, you are responding based solely on your generosity. I think that's admirable. I saw another member here give lengthy responses to a Kickstarter detracter. Third, you mentioned the waste of time/energy involved. (But then you didn't follow your own advice.)
Listen brother, this forum set-up allows you to go private like this for a reason. You can give a doubter your number and invite them to call you. They probably won't. If they do you can talk and maybe learn something.
Here's a metaphor: Let's assume 99% of your ideas are borrowed. Then assume we're talking about the cure to cancer. The critic's mom has cancer and your package (1% original) will cure her. Would the critic question your authenticity/skill-set? I doubt it.
The only difference as I see it is that NLP is relatively new and it addresses something internal and non-quantifiable (A bad habit can truly be cancerous).
Anyhow brother, sharpen your craft and keep up the good work.
Greg




It doesn't help anyone in this thread, it wastes my time having to read it, its wasting your time in feeling the need to jump in here, and mainly his time as well- when that time could be spent doing more important things such as, spending times with family & friends, working on his business, or something else.

So yeah, it's a huge issue with me how he's putting on 'college literary professor hat' and throwing around false terms like plagiarism, when #1 - he's wrong and has no clue what he's talking about and #2 - the purpose of this thread is to help people improve their habits in relation to business...and he derails it with non-sense.

So I guess with my firing back at him, you'd like me to address why #1 - he is wrong.

I never studied NLP under Tony. Instead, I was formally trained in NLP under Tad James and his son, Dr. Matt James. In 1988 (years before Tony), Tad published a book on the timeline technique: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0916990214/?tag=tff-amazonparser-20

I originally learned it from his son (my original NLP mentor), but got a deeper level understanding from his book he wrote decades ago. During my training (from people who did this years before Tony wrote about it), the same exact analogies and stories (smoking/christmas carol) are so common to anybody who knows this stuff in detail.

I think it was actually Richard Bandler (one of the original founders of NLP) who started teaching about that same technique; decades before that.

Whether it's my NLP trainers who have been doing this since before the 80's, myself who has been doing this for years, Tony, or anyone I train - that timeline technique is just as common in NLP as CPR is known in the first aid/medical world. To say something is plagiarized just because Tony has the best marketing about it is just not true at all.

It's how our mind works - so maybe we are all just 'plagiarizing' whatever higher power invented us...

To go into more detail of what I learned from my own personal NLP trainers who are glad I share this technique to help others....

In NLP, there are different tools and techniques:

1. The Timeline - This is how every human being stores every past, present, and (perception of) future memories. You access it by floating up out of your body and looking down at yourself. From there, you can float in the past to release limiting behaviors and past traumas, or float into the future to build up pain/desire (a common metaprogram) and use these metaprograms to optimize human behavior like I did in the original post here.

2. Association Techniques: When a consequence is far into the future, we don't feel the emotions right now; so the standard process is to float up on our timeline, float to a time in the future where the pain of the bad habit is so bad - and to fully associate in the 'future memory'. Seeing it as if we are looking through our own eyes, making it clear, bright, focused. Hearing the sounds, and feeling the feelings as if they are already here.

That is how anybody in NLP brings up emotions in the present moment (an important part for shifting habits).

And using the next technique to apply it to transform bad habits....

3. Submodalities - How the mind stores memories (not in relation to time): We bring it up in pictures. So if you bring up the visual of a bad habit (such as smoking), and then fill the visual with the emotions that were pulled up by the association technique - what this does is reprogram our perception of that thought.

So in the future, when a person thinks of the bad habit, it went through these standard NLP techniques - and the thought itself is filled with the negative emotions brought up from the rest of the techniques; and the bad habit is shifted (sometimes in one session, other times in 12).

More people deserve to know this stuff.

I forget all the examples I used in my original post because, quite frankly - it is a long a$$ post and I don't have the patience to read through something that long (I give props to the ones who take the time to read through my content), so I forget if I used the relationships analogy that Justin mentioned. If I did, it's because that's the area of my life I've been working on lately.

For the timeline/ghost of christmas future and past type thing/smoking examples- those are just as common in the NLP community as throwing around the phrase 'adding value' is to this forum. To have someone go out there and say its plagiarism to tell a local business owner who isn't a fastlane forum member to 'add value' - it just sounds ridiculous.

It's just the truth of what's out there and what works.

Metaphors and Analogies - Analogies are how we learn best. If you could think of any analogy that most people could relate to in terms of going into the past and future - the ghost of Christmas future thing is the obvious analogy that anyone can use. My trainers used it since the 80s.

So yeah - these are common analogies, practices, all the way down to the timeline metaphors and smoking being an example since Bandler made this stuff aware to us in the 60's - 70's.

Now I feel it's my job to distribute this information to the people who need it the most in the same way any CPR instructor across the country teaches what is common practice from the more well-known non-profit names that are associated with the technique.

So for @Milkanic to say any of this is' plagiarizing' Tony, just didn't feel worthy of my time for response, because it's just something he doesn't know anything about.

It's just annoying for a person to throw allegations my way that have no basis, and detracts from the best use of people's time on this forum.

To go out there into the world and add values - not take it away.

But hey, I've said a lot of crazy stuff on this forum and trolled in the past which wasted people's time, so we all make mistakes, learn from them -and we move on.

No hard feelings, just putting the truth out there.

I saw a lengthy response you made to someone saying you're plagiarizing. First of all it's not true legally (I'm a lawyer). Second, you are responding based solely on your generosity. I think that's admirable. I saw another member here give lengthy responses to a Kickstarter detracter. Third, you mentioned the waste of time/energy involved. (But then you didn't follow your own advice.)
Listen brother, this forum set-up allows you to go private for a reason. You can give a doubter your number and invite them to call you. They probably won't. If they do you can talk and maybe learn something.
Here's a metaphor: Let's assume 99% of your ideas are borrowed. Then assume we're talking about the cure to cancer. The critic's mom has cancer and your package (1% original) will cure her. Would the critic question your authenticity/skill-set? I doubt it.
The only difference as I see it is that NLP is relatively new and it addresses something internal and non-quantifiable (A bad habit can truly be cancerous).
Anyhow brother, sharpen your craft and keep up the good work.
Greg

 

[devingisraving]

Or

I'm not sure if you're ready for what I'm about to ask you to do.

It's going to be painful, you're most likely going to cry, and it's going to suck at first. But I can promise you that things are going to be a thousand times more painful in 5 or 10 years if you don't do what I'm asking you to do right now.

The reason why it's so important that you do this right now, today...

Somewhere in the world, a man who smoked cigarettes his entire life was just diagnosed with lung cancer during a routine checkup at his doctor's office. The man has a wife, three children, and financial responsibilities to take care of them all.

The doctor just gave him three months to live.

Sitting there on the table feeling naked in his underwear, the grown man breaks out in tears.

Every emotion you could possibly expect to feel in this dark moment came rushing to the surface. The fear of what might happen to his family when he's gone. Will they be able to afford the expensive mortgage payments? Will they be ok without him? The feeling of regret. Knowing that all of his life, he told himself he should quit smoking; but decades later, he never actually did what he said he was going to do.

He's now in shock and crying uncontrollable tears of remorse and regret.

The nurse in the hallway hears his gasps of pain an stopped in her tracks, as her head went down in despair, knowing the man just got the bad news She lets out a deep breath of sorrow and continues to walk on to her next patient.

As the man leaves the doctor's office shell-shocked, in a trance-like state, he reaches his car and sees the cigarette butt on the ground next to the driver's side door.

That was the last cigarette the man ever would ever smoke in his entire life.

The pack of Marlboros resting on his center console was no longer an instinctual habit where he "reaches over and lights up a smoke" but instead is now a painful reminder of his impending death. The sight that once used to be so normal to him now brings up the pain and agony which twists a knot in his stomach.

What's he going to do now? It's already too late.

If he could only look back in time and scream to himself: "Quit smoking now! It's bad for your health."

But what's the problem with that?

People have been telling this to him his entire life. He said he was going to quit smoking on many occasions.

He logically knew that he should have quit smoking decades ago. He saw the pictures of the charred up lungs in health class. All the evidence and reminders were here.

So why, after years of knowing this, did he finally decide to quit now?

Before you answer this question for yourself, I would like you to strip away the content of the problem (doctor/diagnosis/etc.), and pay attention to the deeper structure of what is going on inside of his body, primarily with his:

1. Thoughts, and
2. Emotions

When you strip it down to it's most basic components, the reason why he decided to quit now is because of the painful emotions he felt in the present moment.

Pay attention to the part where you feel what I mean about the present moment.

• When his mother yelled at him to quit smoking in high school? The pain was a 1/10.
• When his girlfriend broke up with him during college because he always smelled like smoke? The pain was a 4/10. Well that was until he went out to the bars and met someone else later that night. In between rounds of beers, he went outside to light up a cigarette with his friends and share a good time.
• When he began getting that smokers cough at the age of 40? Maybe a 3/10 on the pain scale.

But the painful emotions he felt were not strong enough to grab ahold of him and change his behavior.

If you put a frog in a boiling pot of water, he's going to instinctively jump away when he feels the pain. But if the water is warm and he is slowing beginning to boil, he's going to swim around until it''s already too late.

Sorry little froggy, you should have read my email newsletter.

If your favorite delicious treat is on the table in font of you, you're emotions are going to be the force inside of you that drives you to grab it and put it in your mouth.

Imagine as if the emotions you feel are some unseen esoteric force that controls your body. Whatever logic goes on in your head has no defensive power against the emotions that cause you to do what you do. It's like you're possessed.

But what if you could control what emotions you feel, knowing what emotions will cause you to change your behavior?

The moment he felt the realization about him dying in three months (10/10 emotion), the fearful emotions of his family being left behind (20/10 emotion), and everything else that exploded at once when the doctor delivered that nuclear bomb of a message: These painful emotions instantly shifted his behavior.

But at that point, it's already too late. What if you can create this change in your life today?

Think about you and what you're looking to take action on and achieve in your life.That ONE goal you set you for yourself and that you're not taking action towards. You don't feel those emotions of pain that are decades away. It's nothing but a logical thought right now, with no emotional power attached to it.

In 2012, I began learning about mindfulness.

You've probably read The Power of Now where the author famously introduced the concept that it's always the present moment. The past and future are nothing but thoughts in your mind, and it is always the present moment.

Instead of viewing time as something where we "move through time". The time is always the present moment, and we measure things by a movement of energy.

• It's either happening now.
• Or it's not happening now.

• It's either here now.
• Or it's not here now.

If a person says "I'm going to start eating healthy tomorrow." What does that imply? It implies that the unhealthy eating habit is still happening now (problem not solved). When the infamous tomorrow rolls around, let's just eat that chocolate cake one last time (still happening).

If something is not physically happening now, you are pushing it into the indefinite future because you throw it in the category of (not happening).

You have to pull the pain that you'll feel if you continue to procrastinate into your body...right now. Not just the thoughts of what bad things might happen. You need to actually feel the emotions when you look down at your body.

The lesson here: In order to eliminate this procrastination, you have to pull the emotions from the future (not happening), into the present moment (happening now). This way when you think of doing the (bad behavior), you actually feel the emotions of pain. Your emotions you feel in the present moment are what you are going for here...

• When that smoker got dumped by his girlfriend during college and was laughing and partying with his friends at the bar; drinking that beer and "lighting up that smoke" out front...this resulted in him feeling positive emotions when he smokes (in the present moment).
• When you eat that chocolate cake, you feel the positive emotions...in the present moment.

What are you procrastinating towards?

What's the one big goal that you set out for yourself, something that you are not taking action on?

Now is the time where you will learn how to attach so much pain to the thought of not achieving that goal, and pain to the habit of procrastination, that the part of you which procrastinated in the past will be left behind in the doctor's office parking lot next to that man's last cigarette butt and pack of cigarettes which he tossed out the window.

Because when the bad habit is gone, there's no more "Just this one last time."or "I'll do it tomorrow."

If the doctor just warned him that he should quit smoking and he might get cancer from it...that cigarette would be lit up again.

How do you collapse the bad habit of procrastination?

The answer rests in your deepest long-term fear (the complete opposite side of the coin from your successful vision of the future).

On one hand, you achieve your goal (relationship/money/lose weight/etc.) and you have this goal you set out for yourself with these great positive emotions if you achieve it. On the other hand, you have the fear of what life will be like if you don't achieve this goal.

Quit Smoking Example: "Quit smoking - live a long happy life." (Positive emotion).

If you don't quit smoking, what is the worst thing that can happen to you:

• Cancer.
• 3 months to live if you quit now. 3 weeks if you keep smoking.
• Leaving family behind.
• Leaving family in financial ruin because you're the breadwinner.
• How will all this feel if this scenario has already happened? Would you pick up another cigarette? Or would you tack on the extra 2 months to your life and spend it with your loved ones?

Exercise and Eating Healthy: Looking in the mirror being obese, nobody will want to date you, fast forward 20 years, diabetes, having to stab yourself with an insulin needle every day to keep your blood sugar in check (are you simply reading this or can you actually pretend to feel the emotion of the needle being stuck in your arm?), arteries clog up, heart attack, stroke, you can't speak correctly because of the stroke, and you're forced in a wheel chair. Living a life feeling groggy all the time.

Someone else has to wipe your *** because you can't physically do it anymore.

You are sitting in a wheelchair next to a hospital bed, in this vegetable-like state, barely able to communicate as you look at your loved ones feeling helpless and hopeless while you say to yourself:

"What the hell have you been doing your whole life? Why haven't you been taking care of your health?"

And when you look back on how you chose to live your life, you are filled with a feeling of regret and despair.

Looking back from this moment of immense pain, what can you choose to eat instead? Does the bag of potato chips make all this worth it?

Answer this to yourself: What is one way you can be healthier today?

I'm going to stop eating potato chips after typing this to you. Not "one last one", but that food craving already gone. How'd I do it? simply by typing the description above to you, which took me all of two minutes.

Building a your dream business/going after your financial goals/etc:
They call me the ghost of Christmas future.
You're going to be 65 years old and laid off from your job with no pension because we outsourced what you do to technology, you're living paycheck to paycheck and you're past due on your rent. You're stuck and (by this point) you have no escape. Nobody is going to hire you with your outdated skills now. The procrastinative actions (I made this word up) you've been taking in the past have finally caught up to you.

The landlord evicts you, you're buried in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. The collectors keep calling you and you eventually have to turn of your phone because you can't stand the sound of your ringtone. As you drag the last bag of belongings from your now-empty apartment to your car, you realize that your car has just been repossessed moments ago as you're now homeless on the street at the age of 65 with one suitcase full of belongings.

No friends, no family, no nothing because you've been playing computer games 12 hours a day.

At this point, there's no coming back from this. It's already too late.

Embarrassed. Ashamed. You should have been building up your business and skill-set decades ago instead of browsing around on social media, watching TV, drinking alcohol, smoking weed, and playing video games.
Or what is it that you like to do instead? What's that one thing you've been doing in your life that has held you back from your dreams?

But it's too late for that now.

Are you just emotionlessly reading these words, or are you actually feeling the emotions in this present moment?

Stop reading. Feel your body. Are the emotions here? Yes or no?

Now here's the real kicker: From this emotional state of already being in this worst fear, looking at the same things that once were joyful (procrastinating) looks a bit different to you, doesn't it?

Keep building them up from this worst fear and then when you imagine that you live it now, look back at all the things you could have shouldn't have done.

All because you didn't commit a few hours a night after work building your future right now.

You get the picture. What is it that you're working on as you read this...Shopping addiction? Gambling too much? Relationships?

I'm still not craving those potato chips. They've been my downfall for six months. Yuck. Now they're gone.

Here is the final test:

When you write out your worst case scenario if you keep procrastinating on the one thing you know you are here to do, go into an exaggerated amount of detail like I did here. It's not enough to just put the words on paper. Let me repeat that. It's not enough to just put the words on paper.

You have to invoke so much pain in what will happen if you don't take action towards achieving your goals; that you feel this pain in the present moment.

But even that's not enough.

Are you sitting around feeling the emotions in despair? Or are you feeling the emotions that drive you to do something? Are you sitting around with your hand in a scorching hot fire? Or are you pulling your hand away?

1. You have to feel the painful emotions (not in the future), but in the present moment. Look down at your body and do you feel them? Are these emotions attached to the thought of procrastinating or that bad habit of yours?
2. You have to make sure the emotions drive you to actually do something right now, today. Yeah, you can sit around in the hot fire and feel the pain, but it means nothing if you don't jump out.

What's one change you've already made in your life by reading what you read today?

Just the simple thought of not doing what you need to do should make you feel as painfully miserable as the man felt in the moment the doctor diagnosed him with cancer that will kill him in three months.

1. Build your dream.
2. Eat that apple and jump on the treadmill.
3. Say hi to your future partner.

All of a sudden, the pain of doing the procrastinative (there's that word again) things you've been doing is so much worse than going out and just doing what you failed to do in the past.

And I say this in all seriousness: If you're not crying or feeling the nuclear-bomb-of-an-emotion with just the thought of not taking action towards your goal; you're not attaching enough pain to it.

I have a challenge for you: Can you invoke the feelings of pain right now?

Are you actually doing something to change because of the feelings?

After reading this, aren't you a little disappointed in the way you've been procrastinating knowing where it led you in this painful life of yours? It's too late to escape now that it's here. But looking back in time, what can you begin to do differently to avoid this trap?
Before you go to sleep tonight, write out your own exaggerated pain story. Can you make it more painful and dramatic than mine?

I hope you cry.

Because that's what causes you to change and you can thank me later.

I told you that it'll be painful at first, but what this does it collapse the habit of procrastination, and these emotions drive you to do what you need to do.

This was just plain amazing. You changed my whole perspective on life and motivation. I always knew from reading books that emotions covered most of a man's decision but you just punched me in the guts with this one. Great post and I will surely start working on this one as soon as I can. And since this is happening, I am starting my business and reaching a good fitness body from now . Not 1 minute later, 1 meal later but RIGHT NOW. Hope you have a great day and thank you for this post

 

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