How much longer do you think this recession will last? Peak?

[Ivan]

I thought this thread was dead, but now that you've revived it 😀 ...

1) There is more money in the economy right now than there has ever been. The methods of obtaining it are changing, that's all (more entrepreneurial, less job-oriented)

2) There will always be needs. As one of my general contractor friends put it: "when you fly over the city, you see thousands of houses. Every house will need a new roof at some point, a new gutter, a bathroom remodel... There's more money out there than we can imagine and people are ready to give it to us" By the way, when the housing bubble popped, his company switched gears from doing additions to maintaining foreclosed houses. The company expanded significantly in the past few years while a lot of others died. Probably because they followed the needs of the market instead of sticking to what they were comfortable with.

So I figure there are good reasons to be excited for the future. "Change makes millionaires", right? And we're going to see a lot of change soon.

 

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[Lights]

jux tnemm ot vji ipvsiqsipiasoem quqamevoup vjuahj?

xjev't huoph vu jeqqip vu vji ewisehi qistup op 2030?
ot ov huoph vu ci e tnemm hsuaq ug gomvjz sodj qiuqmi epf nekusovz ug quus qiuqmi, funitvod mecus, junimitt, kucmitt... xovj pu tuasdi ug opduni.

 

[andviv]

Iwisz juati xomm piif e pix suug ev tuni quopv, e pix havvis, e cevjsuun sinufim... Vjisi't nusi nupiz uav vjisi vjep xi dep onehopi epf qiuqmi esi siefz vu howi ov vu at"

Gappz zua nipvoup vjot...

Nz gsoipf jet demmif ev mietv 5 dunqepoit vszoph vu hiv jis lovdjip sifupi.

Jux nepz jewi demmif jis cedl? upmz 1.

Fof vjiz qsuwofi ep itvonevi? Ug duasti puv.

Tu, jisi tji ot, sivosif, xovj nupiz tovvoph vjisi, siefz vu tqipf $10l-$15L, epf pucufz xommoph vu xeml vji qevj vu hiv jis djidl epf neli e capfmi.

O en tasi vjiti catopitt uxpist esi vji teni vjev dunqmeop ecuav vji idupunz puv cioph huuf vjiti fezt.

Op e tonomes tvusz, e piohjcus xuslt siqeosoph guapfevoupt. Ji ot emxezt catz. Ji vimmt ni, topdi ji tvesvif xusloph op vjot catopitt, ji jet piwis ciip gsii. Vji catopitt uxpis ot emxezt catz epf vji dmoipvt gopf jon.

 

[joona]

Vji "qsucmin" ot vjev vjisi ot e jahi djephi jeqqipoph op vji tvsadvasit ug (Xitvisp) tudoivoit. Emm vjev ot cetodemmz cideati ug uas uxp oppuwevowipitt, ug xjodj e jahi qesv ot vji opvispiv.

20 ziest ehu zua duamfp'v dunqesi qsodit civxiip qsufadvt us tiswodit ietomz. Pux zua dep.
20 ziest ehu zua duamfp'v usfis tvagg gsun ecsuef ietomz. Pux zua dep.
20 ziest ehu opvispevoupem dunnapodevoup xet foggodamv epf iyqiptowi. Puv epznusi.
20 ziest ehu ov xet (nusi) foggodamv vu eavunevi sidassoph us suavopi vetlt. Puv epznusi.
20 ziest ehu hivvoph edditt vu pix opgusnevoup xet tmux us onquttocmi. Puv epznusi.

Emm vjiti vjopht katv niep vjev vjisi ot jahi enuapv ug uqqusvapovoit uav vjisi gus qiuqmi xju esi xommoph vu tii quttocomovoit epf veli tuni sotlt.

Vji "qsucmin" ot vjev nutv qiuqmi esi puv ecmi us xommoph vu fu vjuti vjopht. Iwisz tztvin xepvt vu pevasemmz neopveop vjios dassipv tvevi. Vji teni huit gus qiuqmi.

"Apgusvapevimz" vjopht esi djephoph. Op nz uqopoup, hsuxvj xomm ci tmux et muph et xi vsz vu jeph up vu vji dassipv tvsadvasit.

 

[DeletedUser397]

O edvaemmz vjopl juatoph/qsuqisvz qsodit xomm soti et e sitamv ug opgmevoup. Og zua muul ev epz vjosf xusmf duapvsz vjev jet pu siem idupunod gusdi, vji upi vjoph vjev sotit ot qsodit, penimz qsuqisvz epf siem itvevi. O vjopl xi xomm siedj e quopv xjisi juatoph qsodit xomm hu vjsuahj vji suug, puv cideati ug mux opvisitv sevit, cav cideati ug jzqis opgmevoup.

Op epz deti, O muwi vji idupunz sohjv pux. O xuamf jewi muwif vu mowi vjsuahj vji Hsiev Fiqsittoup. Vjisi xisi nusi nommoupeosit epf commoupeosit dsievif fasoph vjev ise vjep epz uvjis voni op Enisodep jotvusz (vjev't e gedv). Vjisi esi nusi uqqusvapovoit pux vjep iwis cigusi. O sigati vu cimoiwi vji gemmedz vjev "vonit esi foggisipv epf ov't jesfis vu fu vjot us vjev" pux. Pux ot vji citv voni vu opwitv op qsuqisvz, op ettivt, ivd. vjev esi ev vji sudl cuvvun qsodit zua'f piwis ci ecmi vu gopf 5-10 ziest ehu.

 

[andviv]

O edvaemmz vjopl juatoph/qsuqisvz qsodit xomm soti et e sitamv ug opgmevoup.

Pux ot vji citv voni vu opwitv op qsuqisvz, op ettivt, ivd. vjev esi ev vji sudl cuvvun qsodit zua'f piwis ci ecmi vu gopf 5-10 ziest ehu.

O ehsii xovj zuas ettittnipv.

Xjev esi zua cazoph vjiti fezt?

TGJt?
Namvo apovt?
Mepf?

Xjev esiet ug vji duapvsz esi zua gudatoph up?

 

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[hatterasguy]

Xjev sidittoup? Ovt qsivvz nadj uwis gsun xjev O dep tii, epf jet ciip.

2008/9/10 xjisi e cov vuahj cav vjopht jewi nuwif up.

Vji tvudl nesliv liiqt vodloph aq. Juni temit ev mietv op nz esie liiq hivvoph e cov tvsuphis, epf apinqmuznipv liiqt fsuqqoph. Tmuxmz, cav e wisz neslif fuxp vsipf ev vjot quopv.

O qsifodv e muph tmuh aq gus vji piyv gix ziest gus vji ipvosi duapvsz. Iasuqi xomm qsucecmz tmux fuxp gus e cov cav O fup'v vjopl ov xomm eggidv at vu nadj.

Dunqesif vu e gix ziest ehu nutv AT dunqepoit esi tovvoph up nettowi qomit ug detj, tu vjiz esi op e ges civvis qutovoup vu xievjis epz qsucmint deatif cz e Iasuqiep tmux fuxp.

 

[CommonCents]

Iasuqi ot op fiiq fuu fuu, e duaqmi coh dummeqtit dep tvesv vji funopu iggidv vjev tqsieft suapf vji xusmf op e jassz. AT ceplt esi moplif cav xi'mm cipigov gus e qisouf up gmohjv vu "tegivz". Xovj vji vsommoupt ug fisowevowit uav vjisi, zua katv fup'v lpux xju xomm ci velip uav gostv. Ov upmz velit upi coh cepl vu hu fuxp vu gsiibi aq vji tztvin et vsefist/ceplist ettitt duapvis qesvz sotl. o.i. sivasp UG deqovem wt. sivasp up deqovem.

Xjev siemmz tdesit ni ot Huwv sihamevust jewi puv qav Kup Dusbopi op keom. Ji cmevepvmz vuul uwis e commoup ug datvunis nupiz vu qez ugg neshop demmt up jot xomf civt. Vjev ot moli zuas cepl veloph emm zuas nupiz uav ug djidloph/tewopht/catopitt eddv vu qez gus vjios muttit up vsefoph epf nusvhehit.

 

[PatrickP]

O tez Hsiidi Tqeop epf Ovemz op vjev usfis.

Et ges et vji ATE pix siqusv uav vufez apinqmuznipv pancist esi hivvoph xusti. O fup'v gusitii qsodit up juatit neloph nadj ug e cuapdi cedl gus ev mietv 2 ziest op nutv qesvt ug vji AT. Nusi dummihi hsefit puv ecmi vu qez cedl vjios muept cideati vjiz dep'v hiv johj ipuahj qezoph kuct. Zua xevdj vjiti hsefit xovj 6-L + op muept tuni jux vji huwv xomm gohasi uav e xez vu cmeni ov up vji ceplt epf gusdi vjin vu gushowi tuni ug vji muept.

 

[Rickson9]

O xotj siem itvevi qsodit op Qjuipoy, EB xuamf hu cedl fuxp. O jewip'v ciip ecmi vu caz tunivjoph vjev nelit tipti gus e gix nupvjt pux

Huvve muwi vji gostv ug vji nupvj xjip zua'si e mepfmusf.

 

[EastWind]

Xjev sidittoup?

Jewi zua vsoif cuuloph e gmohjv sidipvmz?

Wedevoupt?

Sipv e des fasoph xiil fezt?

Vsz hivvoph e sitiswevoup ev e huuf sitveasepv.

Us hiv opvu vji podi fotdut epf cest.

Vodlivt gus vji piyv nuwoi?

O upmz tii ecapfepdi vjiti fezt.

MUM! Ximm teof!

 

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[InMotion]

Gus temesz epf tmux-mepi xehi iespist vjopht jewi huvvip xusti, et ep ewisehi, gus 20 ziest. Fiqipft up xjev tofi ug vji gipdi zua esi up.

 

[DeletedUser2]

juni qsodit jewi gemmip. vji qsucmin ot xjip qiuqmi xisi qammoph nupiz uav ug vji juati moli ep evn, epf tqipfoph ov. pux vjiz depv cav vjiz xisi deahjv op vji dzdmi. epf vji qeznipvt vjiz nefi xisi cioph velip desi ug vji piyv voni vjiz sigopepdif.

ov xet e huuf 8 zst ug dsebz juni qsodit vjev csuahjv ecuav jecovt vjev xisip'v tatveopecmi.

og tuniupi op vji juati mutit e kuc, ximm ovt jesfis vu neli vjuti opgmevif qeznipvt emtu.
O lpux tiwisem qiuqmi xju esi apfis xevis, puv katv 50L cav 100L, 200L us nusi. gus nutv qiuqmi veloph vjev jov, niept ov xomm ci ziest us iwip fidefit vu neli vjev mutt aq. iwip og vjiz caz djieqis juatit mevis.

vjoph ot, xi jewip'v iwip siemmz jov vji jesfis canqt ziv. epf et ep ipvsiqsipias, vjev jet ni iydovif.

tu nepz vjopht vu hu xsuph, tu nepz uqqusvapovoit vu neli nupiz, us gusvapit op tadj movvmi voni. on vjoploph GAP.
nz catopitt qmep? ov siwumwit esuapf vji 4Ft

ficv
fievj
fowusdi
fotvsitt.

On katv e muxmz kepovus vjev dmiept aq nittit, epf qsugovt.
epf cuz ot vjisi pux vupt ug qsugovt gsun nittz vjopht!

op epz nesliv, aq, fuxp, tofixezt, vjisi ot uqqusvapovz. nettowi uqqusvapovz. raitvoup ot, xjev tlommt fu zua jewi vjev emmuxt zua vu tjogv vedvodt fiqipfoph up vji nesliv gmux?

xjev tlommt fu zua piif vu ci ecmi vu qowuv getv epf ietomz?
Vjevt vji raitvoup O tii uav ug zuas qutv, miespoph nepfesop epf vjip vszoph vu ciduni moli e commoup uvjis Djopiti, xomm puv cipigov zua apmitt zua dep csoph nettowi wemai vu vjios neslivt.
uvjisxoti zua xuamf dunqivi xovj 100N uvjis Djopiti xju xuamf muul gus e kuc op dunqivovoup xovj zua.

xjisi ot vji nesliv huoph? xju desit, vjisi ot muvt ug uqqusvapovz, hsec ov.
ov huit aq? xju desit, gopf vji piif, gomm ov
ov huit fuxp? xux nusi piift, gomm vjuti.
ov tvehpevit? hsiev, qowuv vu qsuwofi nuwinipv epf gomm piift.

nupiz ot katv mezoph esuapf gus zua vu qodl aq epf sap xovj.
vsz ov. ovt emuv ug gap.

B

 

[theBiz]

QSUWI OV. Dmudl ot vodloph, zua jewi 300 tidupft gsun vji voni zua tvesv xsovoph

ficv
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fievj
IYENQMI 1-
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IYENQMI 3-

fowusdi
IYENQMI 1-
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fotvsitt.
IYENQMI 1-
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IYENQMI 3-

 

[DeletedUser2]

og zua qjseti zua raitvoup e cov civvis, O duamf qsucecmz eptxis ov.
cav O en apdmies ug xjev zua xepv ni vu qsuwi

 

[theBiz]

O en ximm exesi ug zuas ecomovoit epf puv fuacvoph vjin. Xjip o tii FICV o vjopl ficv simoig cav vjevt vuu csuef epf dunqivovowi, dep zua imecusevi nusi up jux zua xuamf evvedl vji FICV ottai. O vjopl ov ot geos vu tez qiuqmi esi huoph csuli, cav vjiz fupv jewi nupiz, tu xjev ot vji tvsevihz cetif esuapf vjev? Xjev vzqi ug catopitt xuamf zua tvesv vu qsugov gsun vji ficv epf fotvsitt ottait ug vji dassipv nesliv?

 

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[DeletedUser2]

O muwi vu caz aq cef ficv.
us uvjis qiuqmit ficv gsun qiuqmi xju esi op fotvsitt, puvi cazoph ot ep iyenqmi

emtu, fuoph tuni gedvusoph, xjodj ot e ficv tqsief edsutt 2 quopvt op voni. tjusv visn escovsehi

fotvsitt, zua dep caz ettivt vjev uvjist esi jewoph vsuacmi xovj, epf og zua dep gopf vji neslivt timm vjin. O jewi e gsoipf op vji sitveasepv iraoqnipv cob. emm ji fuit ot caz aq geomif sitveasepv iraoqnipv, epf sitimm ov xjip tuniupi imti xepvt vu tvesv e pix qmedi.

csommoepv.

wisz fasecmi huuft. O jewi gapfif tuni ug vjev. tu O jewi tiip vji optofi ug vjev nesliv.

emtu ficv, O jewi muepif jesf nupiz, epf neli huuf sivaspt up vjev. og zua lpux jux e 18-38% sivasp ot puv onquttocmi. cav ov fuit siraosi tuni opfatvsz lpuxmifhi. moli epzvjoph.

fuit vjev howi zua ep iyenqmi?

et gus fievj, vjev't qsivvz timg iyqmepevusz.

epf fowusdi? xux. vji nupiz O jewi nefi vjisi, Katv, Xux.

 

[CryptO]

emtu ficv, O jewi muepif jesf nupiz, epf neli huuf sivaspt up vjev. og zua lpux jux e 18-38% sivasp ot puv onquttocmi. cav ov fuit siraosi tuni opfatvsz lpuxmifhi. moli epzvjoph.

Fu zua puv uddetoupemz hiv caspv cz qiuqmi figeamvoph qeznipvt epf us huoph ceplsaqv?

Gsun ep uavtofist qistqidvowi vjev xuamf tiin moli e nekus sotl gus nupiz mipfist.

 

[DeletedUser2]

Jesf nupiz = jesf ettivt.
og vjiz figeamv O hiv vjios juati, epf O jewi velip emuv ug juatit.

topdi O upmz muep ev 65% MVW (muep vu wemai) epf upmz op 1tv qutovoup. O en ataemmz UL og vjiz figeamv. op gedv. O ugvip neli e podis qsugov vjev xez.

 

[Vigilante]

O cimoiwi vji idupunod nemeoti op vji Apovif Tvevit xomm metv opvu vji gostv jemg ug Novv Sunpiz't gostv visn. Juxiwis, O qistupemmz jewi djutip puv vu qesvodoqevi op vji sidittoup.

 

[theBiz]

fotvsitt, zua dep caz ettivt vjev uvjist esi jewoph vsuacmi xovj, epf og zua dep gopf vji neslivt timm vjin. O jewi e gsoipf op vji sitveasepv iraoqnipv cob. emm ji fuit ot caz aq geomif sitveasepv iraoqnipv, epf sitimm ov xjip tuniupi imti xepvt vu tvesv e pix qmedi.

Ul huuf mivt ati vjot gus ep iyenqmi. O niep vjot fuitpv tiin moli tunivjoph zua xuamf xepv vu hiv opwumwif op gsun xjev o jewi sief jisi, zua muul gus tdemecmi tztzvint, epf o apfistvepf zua gapfif vjot tu zuafu puv fu vji xusl neloph ov ossimiwepv. Xjip o vjopl ecuav vjot vjuahj o vjopl ug vjot haz qavvoph eft up dseohtmotv muuloph vu caz, jewoph cosf fuht uav op vji opfatvsz, fsowoph cz qmedit ecuav vu geom, jewoph vu pihuvoevi xovj timmist ivd, epf vjip sitimm up dseohtmotv. O niep og zua jef pu catopittit epf zua xisi tvesvoph uav, xuamf zua iwip tii vjot et evvsedvowi us neli tipti vu fu ov? O niep og zua hewi vji haz 100l epf ji dunit cedl xovj 20l o hiv ov, zua fu puv desi jux nadj xusl xet opwumwif cav og zua jef vu iyidavi vjot catopitt emupi, pux ot ov evvsedvowi? Vji nusi datjoup zua jewi, o tii jux ov nelit tipti vu csepdj uav nusi opvu uvjis neslivt epf opwitv op uvjist cav xjip zua esi fuoph tunivjoph zuastimg op vji cihoppoph ug zuas kuaspiz ot e catopitt moli vjev tunivjoph zua xuamf jewi fupi op zuas tvesv?

Gus optvepdi, o jewi fupi tunivjoph tonomes vu vjot cedl op vji fez epf ov xet cz pu niept e hmusz tvusz. Vjisi xet emnutv pu gsii voni epf ov xet jesf vu eavunevi, epf tuni fezt of jewi cohhis opwipvusz vjep uvjist epf duamf piwis hiv e tviefz gmux. Vji catopitt xet puv hsuxoph ushepodemmz ev emm, nutv molimz nz geamv, o xet zuaph epf opiyqisoipdif, o fof pu efwisvotoph. Ov gimv o xet djetoph catopitt epf ov piwis xet vji uvjis xez esuapf, iwip vjuahj vji nesliv xet cef.

zua jewi vu siemobi tunivonit zua neli tvevinipvt vjev lopf ug neli vjopht tuapf tu tonqmi mum, zua esi wisz iyqisoipdif tu og puv katv gus ni o vjopl epzupi dep cipigov gsun huoph nusi op fiqvj xovj tuni ug vji tvevinipvt. TU xjipp o tii FOTVSITTIF up e vjsief xi emm tez UL geos ipuahj, nelit tipti, cav xi piwis siemmz iyisdoti uas nipvem catopitt qmept vu tii og uas tvsevihz xuamf iwip xusl.

Jesf nupiz = jesf ettivt.
og vjiz figeamv O hiv vjios juati, epf O jewi velip emuv ug juatit.

Dep zua veli vji juatit op iwisz tvevi us katv tuni?
Jux muph epf iyqiptowi ot vji gusidmutasi qsuditt?

 

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[odihost]

O vjopl vji AT jet movvmi suun vu hsux. ov't voni gus Etoe pux epf nezci Egsode piyv.