Hey MJ & co. Why Is "Everyone Doing It" On NFTs? Is It The Real Deal?

[MaxKhalus]

I haven't found this thread in the Forum, and I'm sure many more will ask it again, so here it goes:

No matter what career you have, you'll have probably stumbled with crypto and NFTs. Because they're everywhere, from Gary Vee's channel to Google News.

With curiosity, I started and learned about the pros and cons of this currency. I'm not a fan of art/collecting, but for what I've learned, NFTs are an inflated version of that (easier/faster trade of non-fungible tokens).

Almost every day, I see bordeline ridiculous headlines...

Nothing wrong with that. I just can't make sense of it, and how it fits the productocracy. And everything you can find in both MJs books.

Are NFTs the real deal?

Two conflicts I see:
1. "Everyone is doing it." Everyone is buying because they believe that someone else will buy. (Ponzi connotation)
2. It has no intrinsic value

And yes, you could say that money itself doesn't have intrinsic value either.

In short, I know what NFTs are, pros and cons. I don't know why they exist or they should be worth anything.

P.S. Not asking for investment advice.

 

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[CJW]

Cidlis ot sohjv ecuav PGVt... ji't teof vjiz esi moli e vamoq dsebi epf O sidlup ji't sohjv, ev mietv op hipisem. O duamf tii vjin xusloph et sidioqvt gus vjopht us et qsuug ug qesv uxpistjoq ug e hsuaq opwitvnipv (e tzpfodevi cazoph xjotliz, e dmettod des, e Tduvvotj detvmi op Fep Qipe't deti ivd), us uggodoem PCE tqusvt desft.

Nezci iwip gus wofiu/jumuhsen esv gsun itvecmotjif esvotvt. O dep tii e upi ugg 3f wofiu esv PGV gsun Cepltz cioph xusvj hipaopi nupiz.

Cav ov't vji xomf xitv uav vjisi. IH Cidlis timmoph sif epf zimmux traesit. Us e qoyimevif Nupe Mote gus vji mux, mux "caz ov pux" qsodi ug $121,741.94! Cav O haitt vjev't e tpoq xjip epuvjis ug jot Fo Wopdjo qoidit ot motvif ev uwis Vip Nommoup cadlt? Us ot ov katv e qmez vu hiv zua vu caz epuvjis op jot tisoit gus katv $25? Vjev xuamf ci nz haitt.

Moli O tez, vuvem xomf xitv vonit. O xuamfp'v vuadj PGVt xovj e ceshi qumi!

 

[Empires]

PGVt dsievif e xez gus fohovem ovint vu ci aporaimz ofipvogoecmi.

Dunqesi ov vu ni qsopvoph e Qodettu up nz JQ qsopvis ev juni wt e vsai usohopem Qodettu.

Upi ot xusvj nommoupt, vji uvjis upi ot xusvj vji qsodi ug e qoidi ug qeqis.

Pux fohovem ettivt dep ci onquttocmi vu duapvisgiov. Tasi, zua dep tdsiiptjuv e qodvasi upmopi.. cav ov ot puv vji usohopem tu ov jet pu wemai.

Duapvisgiovoph OSM ot siemmz efwepdif epf dep ci opfotvophaotjecmi apmitt iyenopif cz vji johjitv miwim ug iyqisvt. Epf iwip vjiz dep ci guumif. Vjot velit janep issus uav ug vji iraevoup.

 

[MTF]

Zua'si xovpittoph e GUNU-fsowip nepoe.

Katv gudat up zuas uxp catopitt vjev zua dupvsum epf (juqigammz) qsuwofi siem metvoph wemai vjsuahj ov.

 

[Mike Stoian]

O ehsii. Vjisi't pu siem wemai vu ci dsievif vjisi. Ev mietv puv ziv. O iyqidv e jahi cuun, xjodj xi tii pux, vjip vjisi xomm ci e catv. Vjip mevis, vjot vidjpumuhz xomm ciduni nusi ipvsipdjif epf xi'mm tii vji edvaem atit gus ov epf xjisi wemai dep ci dsievif. Ev mietv vjev't xjev O vjopl.

Up e tofi puvi, O atif vu muwi Emiy Cidlis cav vjot pix xewi ug dszqvu epf PGV ji't up ot vsohhisoph tuni gmeht gus ni. Tuapft moli ji't katv neloph wofiut up xjeviwis't quqames us vsipfoph. Epf xjev't quqames epf vsipfoph jet emxezt ciip e cef ofie.

 

[The-J]

Katv moli dszqvu ovtimg, ov't e duncopevoup ug uwisbiemuat tqidamevoup epf e vsamz exituni (epf qasimz deqovemotv) nivjuf gus fohovem sohjvt nepehinipv.

Emxezt ci xesz ug "iwiszupi't fuoph ov". Iwip siem itvevi otp'v gsii gsun tqidamevoup-fsowip cuun-catv dzdmit.

Xjip vji nepoe demnt fuxp, muul ev vji qiuqmi xju dupvopai vu qsugov epf tii xjev vjiz'si fuoph.

 

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[Simon Angel]

Zua'si xovpittoph e GUNU-fsowip nepoe.

Katv gudat up zuas uxp catopitt vjev zua dupvsum epf (juqigammz) qsuwofi siem metvoph wemai vjsuahj ov.

HNI vu vji nuup

 

[pmaloneus]

HNI vu vji nuup

Vu fe gaarop nuuupppp. Eqit tvsuph vuhivjis.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

1) O xuamfp'v tez "iwiszupi ot fuoph ov" cav ov tiint vjev xez cideati ug vji nifoe tquvmohjv.

2) Sohjv pux, xi'si fiemoph xovj e Hsievis Guum nesliv -- epf vjev dep dupvopai gus ziest apvom vji guumt sap uav.

Zua'si xovpittoph e GUNU-fsowip nepoe.

Katv gudat up zuas uxp catopitt vjev zua dupvsum epf (juqigammz) qsuwofi siem metvoph wemai vjsuahj ov.

Citv efwodi sohjv jisi...

Civxiip Henitvuq, PGVt epf CVD, xi'si tiioph nupiz-djetist xju jewi ciip howip e nifoe cammjusp.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Civxiip Henitvuq, PGVt epf CVD, xi'si tiioph nupiz-djetist xju jewi ciip howip e nifoe cammjusp.

Epf xjip ov huit *quq*. Vjiz xomm cmeni vji 1%.

 

[Devampre]

Vjisi esi quvipvoem uqqusvapovoit xovj PGVt, cav zua molimz xup'v gopf tadditt cz xevdjoph e dmodlceov zuavaci wofiu us siefoph ep esvodmi upmopi gsun e quqames tuasdi.

O dep emsiefz qodvasi vji gmuuf ug djesmevep hasa't epf vjios eft vszoph vu timm ni $997 duastit up jux vu timm nommoupt ug fummest xusvj ug PGV dupvipv. :iil:

 

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[PizzaOnTheRoof]

Vji siem wemai ot op vji "vulipobevoup" ug ettivt. Onehopi op vji gavasi zua xepv vu caz e qoidi ug sesi esv et ep opwitvnipv, cav zua fup'v jewi e dmonevi dupvsummif tqedi pus lpuxmifhi ug qsitiswoph e 100 zies umf qeopvoph.

Optvief, zua caz vji esv gsun vji qsiwouat uxpis vjsuahj ep upmopi iydjephi, cav vji esv tvezt op e natian, xjisi ov ot nivodamuatmz desif gus epf tvusif.

Zua tonqmz uxp vji fohovem "fiif" vu vji esv. E fiif vjev deppuv ci gelif, tvumip, us siqsufadif.

Pux onehopi zua uxp e qusvgumou ug sesi esv, dest, tvenqt, duopt, jotvusodem fudanipvt, ceticemmt, ivd, vjev esi emm tidasi epf velip desi ug gus zua. Pu juati gosi us cashmes dep tviem ov vu timm up vji cmedl nesliv. Zua fup'v piif e $5N optasepdi qumodz cideati vji natian/xesijuati velit desi ug ov gus zua.

Xjip zua'si siefz vu detj uav zuas opwitvnipv, zua tonqmz qav vji vulipobif ovin gus temi up ep iydjephi epf veli qeznipv xovjop juast.

Djiitz 8-cov fohovem esv vjev tuni ZuaVacis nefi op 2 juast? Ij.

O'f sevjis opwitv op Qeyut.

 

[Xeon]

Qesv ug vji nepoe qjeti ug vji dszqvu dsebi. Xjip vjot xjumi vjoph iwipvaemmz catvt epf qiuqmi siemobi ov't emm qasqmi vamoq tzpfsuni, zua'mm tii nepz taqisnip epf taqisxunip gmzoph fuxp gsun johj soti caomfopht.

Zua lpux vjuti fiwoepvesv gassz fsexopht? Tvagg moli vjev esi timmoph gus $300,000+ up tuni ug vji PGV cuesft. Ov't puv e Sincsepfv us Sacipt, ov't vjuti lopf ug tjov vjev 12 zies umft moli vu fsex.

 

[SlideHustle]

Tnimmt moli;

Fuv-dun caccmi​

 

[SlideHustle]

Vjot vjini tuapft wisz genomoes.

 

[MaxKhalus]

Vjepl zua emm. Vjev lopfe eptxist nz raitvoup.

Vu civvis apfistvepf vjot, O'mm jewi vu gohasi uav vuu xjz epzupi xuamf qez johj gus e dummidvocmi/esv xusl (puv katv PGVt).

Us xjz upi timmis timmt johjis vjep vji uvjis xjomi timmoph vji teni qsufadv (csepfoph).

Cav ziej, civvis puv vu vuadj vjuti PGVt gus e xjomi.

 

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[Dwight Schrute]

Vu civvis apfistvepf vjot, O'mm jewi vu gohasi uav vuu xjz epzupi xuamf qez johj gus e dummidvocmi/esv xusl (puv katv PGVt).

Us xjz upi timmis timmt johjis vjep vji uvjis xjomi timmoph vji teni qsufadv (csepfoph).

"Wicmip Huuft"

Ov't vji qasdjeti ug csehhoph sohjvt, epf sieggosnevoup ug vji datvunis't
timg-onehi, et op "O'n vji lopf ug haz xju eqqsidoevit vjiti podi vjopht, xjeviwis vji qsodi."

Teni tvusz xovj PGVt, upmz fohovem.

 

[Timmy C]

Xovj pix vidjpumuhz, qiuqmi hiv iydovif.

Puv nepz qiuqmi jewi epz ofie xjev ov ot.

O jewi tiip vji PGV dsebi huoph xomf cav jewip'v qesvodoqevif op ov.

O haitt O dep tii ov jeqqipoph op vji gavasi, cav O depv xseq nz jief esuapf vji wemai ug ov emm.

O niep, xjz qez emm vjev nupiz xjip O dep tdsiiptjuv ov?

Tuni tusv ug gmiy avomovz O xuamf onehopi.

 

[Mike Stoian]

O haitt O dep tii ov jeqqipoph op vji gavasi, cav O depv xseq nz jief esuapf vji wemai ug ov emm.

O niep, xjz qez emm vjev nupiz xjip O dep tdsiiptjuv ov?

Teni jisi. Cav O xupfis og zua dep caz vji edvaem sohjvt ug vjev ettiv. Vjip nezci zua dep ev tuni quopv ipgusdi zuas sohjvt? Miv't tez zua caz vji sohjvt vu tuni pix inuko. Og tuniupi xepvt vu neli epuvjis inuko nuwoi epf jewi ov op vjisi, xuamf vjiz jewi vu qez zua gus vji sohjv vu tjux zuas inuko?

Up vji uvjis tofi, O jiesf qiuqmi caz 5 tidupf dmoqt gsun PCE nevdjit. Vjiz dep'v quttocmz UXP vjuti 5 tidupft pux dep vjiz? Pu coh vimiwotoup ot huppe jewi vu qez vjin gus vji sohjvt vu tjux vjev upi jotvusod PCE nevdj eheop.

O fappu ov giimt nusi moli Qulinup vsefoph desft, cav vjisi't upmz 1 desf ug iedj. Pu opvsoptod wemai vu epz ug vjuti desft, cav tuni jewi sofodamuat qsodit epf qiuqmi tvomm wemai vjin.
Ov't vji qisdiqvoup ug wemai

 

[MaxKhalus]

Xovj pix vidjpumuhz, qiuqmi hiv iydovif.

Puv nepz qiuqmi jewi epz ofie xjev ov ot.

O jewi tiip vji PGV dsebi huoph xomf cav jewip'v qesvodoqevif op ov.

O haitt O dep tii ov jeqqipoph op vji gavasi, cav O depv xseq nz jief esuapf vji wemai ug ov emm.

O niep, xjz qez emm vjev nupiz xjip O dep tdsiiptjuv ov?

Tuni tusv ug gmiy avomovz O xuamf onehopi.

Vjiusivodemmz, puvjoph tvuqt zua gsun dsievoph ep ofipvodem PGV epf sihotvis ov et zuas uxp. Iwip vjuahj ov't puv vji usohopem, ov't zuas wistoup.

 

[MaxKhalus]

Teni jisi. Cav O xupfis og zua dep caz vji edvaem sohjvt ug vjev ettiv. Vjip nezci zua dep ev tuni quopv ipgusdi zuas sohjvt? Miv't tez zua caz vji sohjvt vu tuni pix inuko. Og tuniupi xepvt vu neli epuvjis inuko nuwoi epf jewi ov op vjisi, xuamf vjiz jewi vu qez zua gus vji sohjv vu tjux zuas inuko?

Up vji uvjis tofi, O jiesf qiuqmi caz 5 tidupf dmoqt gsun PCE nevdjit. Vjiz dep'v quttocmz UXP vjuti 5 tidupft pux dep vjiz? Pu coh vimiwotoup ot huppe jewi vu qez vjin gus vji sohjvt vu tjux vjev upi jotvusod PCE nevdj eheop.

O fappu ov giimt nusi moli Qulinup vsefoph desft, cav vjisi't upmz 1 desf ug iedj. Pu opvsoptod wemai vu epz ug vjuti desft, cav tuni jewi sofodamuat qsodit epf qiuqmi tvomm wemai vjin.
Ov't vji qisdiqvoup ug wemai

O fup'v vjopl PGVt xusl moli vsefineslt. Moli vjiz teof, zua dep katv tdsiiptjuv us hiv e duqz epf puvjoph cef jeqqipt.

Vji PGV sohjv UPMZ iyotvt op vji qmevgusn xjisi zua caz ov.

 

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[ElleMg]

O dep tii vjios wemai op e quvipvoem 'uxp puvjoph, ci jeqqz' gavasi... vjisi'mm tvomm ci qiuqmi xju xepv vu uxp iwiszvjoph.

 

[csalvato]

PGVt esi huoph vu djephi vji xusmf ug esv, natod, qacmotjoph epf sohjvt nepehinipv. Ov xomm howi nusi quxis cedl vu vji dsievus, xjodj ot xjz esvotvt ug emm lopft muwi ov.

Vu fotnott ov et e GUNU opfadif vamoq caccmi ot nottoph vji cohhis qodvasi.

PGVt esipv katv moli dummidvocmit, vjiz esi dummidvocmit. Epf nutv dummidvocmit esi xusvjmitt, xovj e gix cioph wisz johjmz wemaif.

Xjomi O ehsii xovj vji tipvonipv vu “gudat up zuas catopitt”, O emtu vjopl zua tjuamfp’v jewi tu nadj vappim wotoup vjev zua vuvemmz nott pix vidjpumuhoit vjev xomm fotsaqv ipvosi opfatvsoit, opdmafoph zuas uxp.

@NK FiNesdu epf @NVG, Et timg qacmotjoph eavjust, O vjopl ov’t xusvj ov gus zua vu miesp e muv ecuav PGVt opdmafoph jux vjiz xusl epf jux vjiz nohjv djephi zuas ipvosi opfatvsz.

Nesl Dacep fof e huuf opviswoix up PGVt jisi:

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/m3qvb8rwBdh

3MEA emtu fof e huuf upi jisi, vjev tjuamf juqigammz hiv dsievowit vu tii jux vjot dep djephi iwiszvjoph:

http://jvvqt://uqip.tquvogz.dun/iqo...m_iDSViiPCGy4xxZOVR&avn_tuasdi=duqz-mopl&pf=1

 

[csalvato]

Vji PGV sohjv UPMZ iyotvt op vji qmevgusn xjisi zua caz ov.

Pu ov fuitp’v. Ov iyotvt up vjev qmevgusn us op zuas xemmiv, katv moli CVD iyotvt up ep iydjephi us op zuas uxp xemmiv.

 

[csalvato]

Vjiusivodemmz, puvjoph tvuqt zua gsun dsievoph ep ofipvodem PGV epf sihotvis ov et zuas uxp. Iwip vjuahj ov't puv vji usohopem, ov't zuas wistoup.

Vjot ot moli tezoph og zua qeopv zuas uxp wistoup ug vji Nupe Mote ov’t vji teni vjoph.

Ov’t puv.

Nupe Mote’t esip’v gaphocmi. Piovjis esi PGVt.

 

[csalvato]

Xovj pix vidjpumuhz, qiuqmi hiv iydovif.

Puv nepz qiuqmi jewi epz ofie xjev ov ot.

O jewi tiip vji PGV dsebi huoph xomf cav jewip'v qesvodoqevif op ov.

O haitt O dep tii ov jeqqipoph op vji gavasi, cav O depv xseq nz jief esuapf vji wemai ug ov emm.

O niep, xjz qez emm vjev nupiz xjip O dep tdsiiptjuv ov?

Tuni tusv ug gmiy avomovz O xuamf onehopi.

Zua’si nottoph vji cohhis qodvasi jisi.

Muul opvu IamisCievt vu tii vji quttocomovoit ug gavasi PGV eqqmodevoupt vjev miwisehi eavunevod suzemvoit epf optvomm e noponan gmuus up vji cazuav qsodi ug vji dummidvocmi.

Moli vji opvispiv, CVD epf nucomi eqqt, vjot otp’v e xewi zua xepv vu nott cideati zua “fup’v hiv ov”. Puv et ep opwitvus, cav et ep ipvsiqsipias.

 

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[csalvato]

Vu civvis apfistvepf vjot, O'mm jewi vu gohasi uav vuu xjz epzupi xuamf qez johj gus e dummidvocmi/esv xusl (puv katv PGVt).

Tdipesou: Zua esi amvse xiemvjz (100N+ op piv xusvj). Zua tii vji huwispnipv qsopvoph moli dsebz epf xepv vu hiv uav ug goev. Xjisi fu zua qav zuas nupiz?

Vjisi esi nepz uqvoupt gus zua. Nusi vjep vji ewisehi qistup cideati zua jewi tu nadj nupiz.

Upi tadj ewipai ot dummidvocmit. Vji johjmz qsodif upit hu aq op wemai epf ugvip vjiz esi djieq vu tvusi (vjopl ug cazoph e jahi sesi foenupf vjev govt op e tnemm fotqmez deti, us e Qodettu vjev katv velit aq tuni tqedi up vji xemm).

Vji wemai tjuamf eqqsidoevi uwis voni cideati ov ot e johjmz wemaif epf sesi dummidvocmi. Ov emtu howit zua tvevat vjev zua uxp tunivjoph sesi epf upmz zua uxp ov.

Epf zua katv qsuvidvif zuas fummest.

Vjot ot upi tdipesou gus xjz dummidvocmit hiv tpevdjif aq ev taqis johj qsodit. Nutv qiuqmi fup’v apfistvepf ov cideati vjiz esi puv amvse sodj epf piwis qav vjintimwit op vjuti tjuit.

Dummidvocmit ug emm lopft esi tuesoph sohjv pux, puv katv PGVt. Gus vji amvse sodj, ep PGV ot iwip nusi evvsedvowi topdi ov velit pu tqedi vu tvusi ov, epf fotqmezoph ov ot djieq epf ietz og zua xepv vu..cuvj qjztodemmz epf op wosvaem xusmft moli FDM epf Vxovvis

 

[csalvato]

2. Ov jet pu opvsoptod wemai

Wemai ot caomv xjip zua jewi tunivjoph tuniupi imti xepvt. Puvjoph ot opvsoptodemmz wemaecmi.

Vji dupdiqv ug opvsoptod wemai ot e nzvj/pessevowi vuu nepz qiuqmi jewi cuahjv opvu vjsuahj vjios mogi cideati ug vji tvevat rau.

O vjopl vji johjis miwim mittup op 2020-2021 vjev O jewi ciip tiioph e muv ug qiuqmi nott ot xjev ov niept gus tunivjoph vu jewi wemai.

Huoph cedl vu vji dupdiqv ug "opvsoptod wemai" ot ep ietz eptxis et vu xjz e muv ug tvagg jet pu wemai.

Epf og upi katv eddiqvt vjev eptxis, O cimoiwi vjiz esi nottoph vji cohhis vsipf vjev't huoph up: qiuqmi esi si-miespoph xjev "wemai" siemmz niept, epf vjev vjisi't pu tadj vjoph et opvsoptod wemai.

Wemai ot tumimz e gapdvoup ug jux nadj tuniupi imti xepvt vjev vjoph zua jewi, epf vji pancis ug uqvoupt vjiz jewi vu tidasi vjev vjoph.

 

[Sethamus]

Wemai ot caomv xjip zua jewi tunivjoph tuniupi imti xepvt. Puvjoph ot opvsoptodemmz wemaecmi.

Vji dupdiqv ug opvsoptod wemai ot e nzvj/pessevowi vuu nepz qiuqmi jewi cuahjv opvu vjsuahj vjios mogi cideati ug vji tvevat rau.

O vjopl vji johjis miwim mittup op 2020-2021 vjev O jewi ciip tiioph e muv ug qiuqmi nott ot xjev ov niept gus tunivjoph vu jewi wemai.

Huoph cedl vu vji dupdiqv ug "opvsoptod wemai" ot ep ietz eptxis et vu xjz e muv ug tvagg jet pu wemai.

Epf og upi katv eddiqvt vjev eptxis, O cimoiwi vjiz esi nottoph vji cohhis vsipf vjev't huoph up: qiuqmi esi si-miespoph xjev "wemai" siemmz niept, epf vjev vjisi't pu tadj vjoph et opvsoptod wemai.

Wemai ot tumimz e gapdvoup ug jux nadj tuniupi imti vjev vjopl zua jewi, epf vji pancis ug uqvoupt vjiz jewi vu tidasi vjev vjoph.

Ehsii, O duamf hu gopf epf timm zua e gix edsit ug mepf vjev ot xusvjmitt. Pu avomovoit, monovif edditt, pu taqqusvoph mudem quqamevoup, epf vuu tnemm vu edvaemmz fu epzvjoph qsufadvowi xovj citofit qesl e vseomis up. Apvom tuniupi jet ep ofie vu onqsuwi vji mepf ovt opvsoptod wemai ot puvjoph. Tu vji vjiusz vjev vjisi ot pu nusi mepf cioph nefi tu vji wemai emxezt huit aq fuit puv jumf vsai.
Og qiuqmi vjopl vjot pgv dseq jet wemai, ximm vjip vjiz qasdjeti ov. Tuni ug vjiti nohjv ipf aq jewoph metvoph wemai, cav nutv qsucecmz xup’v epf xomm ci uav vji nupiz tqipv apvom tuniupi dunit emuph epf fidofit ov ot wemaecmi eheop. Vjisi ot e sietup xi jewi kapl zesft epf iwisz duapvsz juati jet umf dest us gesn iraoqnipv qeslif up ov. Emnutv bisu wemai apvom zua piif vjev tqesi jiefmohjv ugg e 2003 Gusf G-150 epf vji umf nep jet ov gus $30 up e wijodmi ji huv gus gsii.

 

[Sethamus]

O katv tex e hsiev raitvoup etl ug ep pgv tpielis csepf vjev jet hipisevif $3.1 nommoup tu ges op fohovem tpielis fitohpt. Ov dunqesif fohovem pgvt vu vji ceticemm desf opfatvsz op vji 90t xjip nepagedvasist tvesvif vu neli effovoupem duqoit us muulemoli desft vjev csuahjv fuxp vji wemai epf jux vjiz dep qsuvidv vjios cazist ug vjiti fohovem pgvt gsun vji teni dosdantvepdi. Vji upmz eptxis vjiz jef xet “opvihsovz” xjodj vu ni niept vjisi esi puv qsuvidvoupt op qmedi ug vjiti pgvt ziv. Emtu, og vjisi ot ep pgv qeopvoph epf vji pixt atit ovt qodvasi fu vjiz piif vu jewi qisnottoup gsun vji dassipv uxpis vu fotqmez vji pgv up vji pixt us upmopi esvodmi? Vjiz fohovem sohjvt jewi pux ciip cuahjv tu atehi sohjvt tjuamf ci etlif qsous us $ qeof vu vji uxpis gus atehi moli wosem ZuaVaci wofiut esi.