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HOT TOPIC Found a motivation! I want to go live in Brazil!

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Guy I know went to that big Jesus statue in the middle of the day with his GF, had a gun pulled to his head in broad day light. Apparently thats a common thing lol
LOLLL its his fault he wasnt a good enough xtian lol jesus didnt save him did he? lol
 

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Sorry but i have to comment. I don't want to critic you but i feel i have to warn you.

Moving and living in Brazil after one short vacation? You think when you live there and have to work there it will be a party all the time with the most beautiful woman flirting with you day in day out?

I mean i noticed in this threat you keep mention the woman. Personally i don't think that's the best reason to move to another country (doomed to fail especially if you want to setup a business) but also you'll see that's not gonna be the case in Brazil when you're permanently working and living there.

An economic downturn is a real estate investment opportunity.
Do you have experience in real estate? Do you have insight in Brazilian economics and day to day trade? Do you know how Brazilians conduct business?

Yes when the Brazilian Real is high and you trade your Dollars or Euro's then you will have some value that day in Reais. Then you buy a property in Rio. Copacabana or Leblon, I presume? Be sure to bring millions. Anywhere else you really have to know what are the demographics of that particular neighborhood and future municipality plans, what's the crime rate and so one. Information that's pretty hard to come by.

Now you have property in Rio in what you think is a good neighborhood. You want to rent it to Brazilians. But these Brazilians are all experiencing a economic downturn. The only thing good at you bringing foreign currencies was that you did exchange it. Now you're also a part of the Brazilian economy. Which is in a downturn by the way.

Remember buying is easy but selling it with profit is a whole different thing.

Also when buying property in Brazil you'll get your leverage in the details. So you have to really know your stuff. Or ask a despachante do it for you. But then you give away your control. Don't expect to learn any tricks of the trades from him or her since they want you to stay dependent. Something you will find out soon enough over there. Misinformation or no information at all since they need you to keep counting on them. This game continuous in every trade you like to get involved in.

Rio is amazing. It is like a resort town with beaches and tourists, yet it is a huge city as well.
The crackpot dictator said he supported gun rights. So he can't be as bad as the previous rulers, who despite the 2005 referendum de facto were not allowing gun purchases.
Answers like this makes it very clear you don't know what you're getting involved in. Every time someone says something bad about Brazil you wave it away and turning it in a good thing.

Crime rates are just as high in Detroit or Chicago. Are you obligated to choose between living in Detroit, Chicago or Rio de Janeiro? I lived almost for 6 years in Rio and believe me it's dangerous. A human life means nothing there. Gringo or Brazilian.

Defending the just elected president Bolsonaro? Please don't do that when talking to a cabdriver or sitting on a corner in Rio eating a salgado. You might not survive it. Bolsonaro is a despicable man and your argument of the 2005 referendum about gun rights is way off and has nothing to do what is really going on in Brazil right now. This whole gun rights thing is just symbolism politics.

What if Lula was president today and someone said Brazil is now a socialist or even communist country with strict gun control. Would you answer have been "yeah i know, to bad Bolsonaro isn't the president"?

It's almost if you want only see the positive side of things to trick your own mind in believing Brazil is a real paradise. A very dangerous thing to do. Especially in Brazil.

Now you're starting a business over there and have to go trough the terrible Brazilian bureaucratic mill. Every single thing needs a stamp or a cancel. Every time when you need something explained you'll get a answer, but is it's the right answer? Remember they like to help but want to you to stay dependent as long you have money in your pockets.

Vai dar tudo certo is what you gonna hear all the time. But is it?

Sorry to say this but i think you're somewhat naif about Brazil. Not saying that you don't have to try it and see for yourself but it seems that you wave away every dangerous thing and real problems that exist in Brazil.

I know Brazil for almost 30 years and lived there numerous times. Believe me i know Brazil. Again i don't want to disrespect you but i think you are to excited about Brazil and even maybe for the wrong reasons (woman) Correct me if I'm wrong.
Going in blindsided with in your head ideas about a wonderful Brazil that's totally different from the real situation will get you nowhere. Especially when you want to do business.

Just want to warn you. Hell, if you really want to give it a try you can ask me anything you want to know I'm happy to help you. But please be more objective when starting a adventure like this and open your eyes to see the many problems Brazilians are facing everyday.
 

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Moving and living in Brazil after one short vacation? You think when you live there and have to work there it will be a party all the time with the most beautiful woman flirting with you day in day out?

I mean i noticed in this threat you keep mention the woman. Personally i don't think that's the best reason to move to another country (doomed to fail especially if you want to setup a business) but also you'll see that's not gonna be the case in Brazil when you're permanently working and living there.
Living in Michigan sucks. I haven't seen a single attractive woman in months, maybe years. Sure, I can find them on the internet, maybe, but they are nowhere to be seen in real life, and I live in a college town. Sometimes I have to close my eyes or twist my neck to look the other way when I see some of them. I do not even have any sex drive here in Michigan, no matter what I do, no motivation, very few interests outside of browsing things on the internet and riding my motorcycle. This is no life to live. No such problems in Brazil for me.

I regret not buying a Lambo five years ago. I kept the 911, but I've driven it only maybe twice since. Now I freaking do not even want a Lambo, it is pathetic.

Living in Michigan and working for a paycheck so that I can retire in 10 years and move possibly to the same Brazil? Why not do it sooner, while I still have an interest in life.

I have no illusions about working or running a business in Brazil. I am allergic to bureaucracy and waiting. I am not planning to do much business there. Ideally the business will be in the US while I am in Brazil. My second choice is something passive, or semi-passive. I am not going to be working full-time there. I just need to do some financial planning and see if I could swing it. There is a very good chance that I can.
 

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Go.

People on this forum are ignoring the fact that people's priorities don't always have business as #1.

If women is what you value, then go and get them. If you don't like American women, and think that Brazilians are beautiful, then go.

Different things make different people happy.

I'd rather have a wife I find beautiful than money and be surrounded by women that I don't find attractive.

Good luck @Supercar
 
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Hell yeah, I am going!

Not right away though, I want to tie up all the loose ends and sell most of my stuff here. Then I will become a free man. At my own pace. The process is just as fun as the destination.

I am experiencing the same feeling that I had 24 years ago when I left Russia for the US. The right feeling. The feeling of adventure and hope for a bright future. I can always come back, but it will be a crime against the universe to not act on this as soon as possible.
 

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Hell yeah, I am going!

Not right away though, I want to tie up all the loose ends and sell most of my stuff here. Then I will become a free man. At my own pace. The process is just as fun as the destination.

I am experiencing the same feeling that I had 24 years ago when I left Russia for the US. The right feeling. The feeling of adventure and hope for a bright future. I can always come back, but it will be a crime against the universe to not act on this as soon as possible.
Have you considered Argentina? Lot's of beauties there too. Buenos Aires is the Paris of South America. Check it out. All the best.
 
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Have you considered Argentina? Lot's of beauties there too. Buenos Aires is the Paris of South America. Check it out. All the best.
Thank you, I will check it out. I am not a fan of Paris, only the French cuisine, but maybe the South American Paris is very different.
:thumbsup:
 

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I was born in Moscow. I have some family, friends and property there. I can live there for cheap. The negatives are the same as in Brazil with very few positives. Most women are like sisters, and the first thing they want is to get married. I do not want to live there. This is why I left.
What do you mean by 'women like sisters'?
IMHO women from post-USSR countries (Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, etc.) are the most beautiful out there.
 
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What do you mean by 'women like sisters'?
IMHO women from post-USSR countries (Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, etc.) are the most beautiful out there.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I happen to have exotic tastes, and I date all races. Women in Russia are okay, but the average "perfect 10s" there do not turn me on. Too much of the same DNA that I have. YMMV.
 
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Don't forget shallow men...
I wouldn't say that. But the men around here have been severely pussified. There are way too many of those extra-sensitive vegan eating metrosexual types where I live. Must be all the soy in the food and the estrogen from the birth control pills in the tap water.
 

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I wouldn't say that. But the men around here have been severely pussified. There are way too many of those extra-sensitive vegan eating metrosexual types where I live. Must be all the soy in the food and the estrogen from the birth control pills in the tap water.
So you'd say you're looking for a real man
 

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I say go for it.
I've been looking at flights and airbnb options to Rio for a while now. I'm thinking of going to spend a month or two there next month.

I spent the last two months in Colombia. Mostly in Medellin, and the tail end in Cartagena.
I was in Medellin for two months last year too. Nearly perfect weather.
Would be perfect if not for frequent drizzling in the second half of the year.

I got rid of most of my stuff last year, and started traveling the world, slowly. I prefer 1 - 2 month stays to in and out ones.
What I do is - I buy a one way ticket, book an airbnb for a month and head out.
Work (most of my income is location independent), meet interesting people, make new friends, experience different cultures more intimately than a one-week vacation would afford. Then decide where next to go from there.

It's been a great experience so far. Just set the right expectations and you'll be fine.
Some people head to places with warped expectations, and find themselves depressed in a far away land.
 

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I'd say Rio and Sao paulo are a bad idea. Anything to the north and it's too hot, and I mean too hot 40C+ all day long and in the winter 33-35C. Also look at the demographics, south has more caucasians north has more africans, what you choose depends on your personal tastes.

I don't think the idea that if you don't have a good social circle with hot women in a large city where you currently live, you'll be able to get one here automatically. It will take just as much effort as anywhere else.

Crime is a thing you need to worry about, granted not as much if you look imposing (exercise, height etc), and don't go into bad areas, wear jewelry etc. Don't pick fights in nightclubs even in VIP and table areas, as an outsider you won't know who you can fight without being stabbed afterwards.

The culture here is different, specially among the elite, if you make enemies you'll likely get assassinated. That is so normal people joke about it, and use it to discourage you from fighting or annoying them (They'll say things like: "You know an assassin costs X$." and smile).

The police here is bad, most of the time there won't even be a murder investigation, the psychos abuse it of course.

One particular group you might not expect to be dangerous are farmers, don't mess with one. They are basically rich men that are used to killing, they have to be (in here if some people 5+ come in to your land and set up a house there or plant stuff, the government will give that land to them, but this rarely happens because those people have a tendency to disappear). You'll recognize them by their boots, elaborated belt buckles, and expensive looking lumberjack and polo shirts.

In general I'd recommend building an elite social circle where you live or in a better party city instead. There are great programs on this topic, google RSD Luke. But if you want to come live here for a few years it's fine and you'll have a good time with proper planning and research..
 

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Work (most of my income is location independent), meet interesting people, make new friends, experience different cultures more intimately than a one-week vacation would afford. Then decide where next to go from there.
Does this forum have a thread about location-independent jobs or businesses (outside of the IT variety)?
 
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I'd say Rio and Sao paulo are a bad idea. Anything to the north and it's too hot, and I mean too hot 40C+ all day long and in the winter 33-35C. Also look at the demographics, south has more caucasians north has more africans, what you choose depends on your personal tastes.

I don't think the idea that if you don't have a good social circle with hot women in a large city where you currently live, you'll be able to get one here automatically. It will take just as much effort as anywhere else.

Crime is a thing you need to worry about, granted not as much if you look imposing (exercise, height etc), and don't go into bad areas, wear jewelry etc. Don't pick fights in nightclubs even in VIP and table areas, as an outsider you won't know who you can fight without being stabbed afterwards.

The culture here is different, specially among the elite, if you make enemies you'll likely get assassinated. That is so normal people joke about it, and use it to discourage you from fighting or annoying them (They'll say things like: "You know an assassin costs X$." and smile).

The police here is bad, most of the time there won't even be a murder investigation, the psychos abuse it of course.

One particular group you might not expect to be dangerous are farmers, don't mess with one. They are basically rich men that are used to killing, they have to be (in here if some people 5+ come in to your land and set up a house there or plant stuff, the government will give that land to them, but this rarely happens because those people have a tendency to disappear). You'll recognize them by their boots, elaborated belt buckles, and expensive looking lumberjack and polo shirts.

In general I'd recommend building an elite social circle where you live or in a better party city instead. There are great programs on this topic, google RSD Luke. But if you want to come live here for a few years it's fine and you'll have a good time with proper planning and research..
Thank you for the crime awareness and personal safety advice. Good and useful advice.

That pickup artist stuff is too creepy for me. I do not enjoy or need any of that superficial social stuff. I am perfectly fine with a couple of friends and a girlfriend. Usually new girlfriends come with a few friends of their own, and that is a plenty of socializing for me already. Not interested in expanding that. It is important to some people but not to me.
 

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Thank you for the crime awareness and personal safety advice. Good and useful advice.

That pickup artist stuff is too creepy for me. I do not enjoy or need any of that superficial social stuff. I am perfectly fine with a couple of friends and a girlfriend. Usually new girlfriends come with a few friends of their own, and that is a plenty of socializing for me already. Not interested in expanding that. It is important to some people but not to me.
Aren't those guys like 50 years old?

There are plenty of Facebook meetups groups. You can also meet people at hostels and bars.

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He got to meet the Mayor of Houston, Texas in Chile and the Chillean President.
I'm from Houston. What was the mayor of Houston doing meeting with the Chilean president? At least I don't live in the city proper so my tax dollars didn't pay for it.
 

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I have been living in Belo Horizonte for around a year now. Feel free to ask any questions about the country, city, food, etc and will give you my "gringo" perspective about it.
 
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I have been living in Belo Horizonte for around a year now. Feel free to ask any questions about the country, city, food, etc and will give you my "gringo" perspective about it.
Is making money online or outside of Brazil is pretty much the only way for a gringo?
 

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Is making money online or outside of Brazil is pretty much the only way for a gringo?
I do not think so because some corporate jobs can give you a very generous salary (if of course you do not go crazy on expenses). For instance with my current salary and quite decent quality of life I can save more than 50% and I am not even close to being senior, while in places like London or my country with an Analyst salary you will get much less value for money.

Now in my case I live in Belo Horizonte which is way cheaper than Rio or Sao Paulo.
 
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some corporate jobs can give you a very generous salary (if of course you do not go crazy on expenses). For instance with my current salary and quite decent quality of life I can save more than 50% and I am not even close to being senior, while in places like London or my country with an Analyst salary you will get much less value for money.
An expat job would be ideal. Better than even not working because you immediately get things to do, friends, learning the language and the culture in situations not available to tourists, and you get paid to do that too.

I have been searching for some expat jobs through friends. It's tough now, it appears like nobody is hiring in the entire Brazil, unfortunately.

A few years ago I was bombarded with expat job offers in China. Lucky for me I knew that I wouldn't want to live in China for longer than a week or two. Can't breathe there, not sure how they live there themselves.

If I manage to get a transfer at my current day job to Brazil, then I would be in Belo Horizonte too.
 

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