Business and Personal Ethics

[danoodle]

I just wanted to get some discussion started about the ethics of various businesses that seem to be popular on here. A lot of focus seems to be on ecommerce, finding a manufacturer in China, and selling (mostly) here in the US. I will admit I shop at Walmart, I buy things made in China etc, but I was wondering what are people's thought about leveraging the work of Chinese migrant workers and getting rich off of it? I'm NOT trying to call people out, but am curious to see who has been to China and seen the working conditions for themselves and if they are satisfactory. Most of the people who have dropship ecommerce businesses on here I'm sure have never even been to China. There can even be some debate over how outsourcing is "hurting" the US since we have turned into a service-based economy when we used to be manufacturing based.

I myself am interested in "low-maintenance" businesses such as self-storage, billboards, parking lots, mobile home parks etc but some of them conflict with my morals at some level. I believe Americans have WAY too much crap and running a self-storage business would only be continuing that. To me, all advertisements brainwash people and influence them directly as well as subconsciously and can affect people's self-esteem etc; obviously billboards would contribute to that.

Also, are starting MLMs ethical or not? Look at the recent charges against ZeekRewards. Getting a free pass to the CES and faking that you are involved in the industry? Selling a site on flippa that you just lost your main supplier but the numbers don't show that? Negative SEO "bombing" of competitors sites? etc etc These may seem like little issues, but they do affect me mentally at some level.

I know this can turn into quite a heated discussion and can be a very deep discussion on many levels. I have many thoughts on the issue and was just wondering what other people thought or if they even think about any of this? Please don't flame me too bad, just wanting some thoughts on the issue, thanks.

I will add, I face ethical decisions all the time when it comes to rental real estate. What to charge against the damage deposit. Evicting tenants because they can't pay the rent or giving them a chance. What if a college kid has to go home because a parent has cancer or something; do I still charge them the full term of the lease or cut them a break? Discrimination when it comes to screening tenants. Is something "worth" fixing up if it is "technically" not necessary? And on and on and on....I can tell you, I'm far from perfect.

 

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[JEdwards]

Hsiev vuqod,

Zit O jewi tiip vji dupfovoupt, O jewi emtu tiip vji dupfovoupt djephi. Cideati ug at cazoph vjios dseq, vji COMMOUPT xi tipf uwis vjisi e zies, e muv ug vjuti xuslist esi mowoph op 1,000't vonit civvis dupfovoupt vjep vjiz xisi. Uas cazoph nefi vjev quttocmi. Tu vu tez jewi zua tiip vji dupfovoupt, ximm gus vji nutv qesv, fof zua tii vji dupfovoupt cigusi? Zua jewi vu veli vjev opvu edduapv cigusi zua vjsux uav, vji jewi zua tiip vji dupfovoupt vjiz esi mowoph op, mopi?

Jewoph teof vjev, O vjopl xi duamf goy vji kuc nesliv op 5 tidupft og vjiz nefi e mex vjev xi xomm upmz vsefi xovj duapvsoit vjev qez e geos (vu at) nop xehi? Optvepvmz nommoupt ug kuct xuamf ci dsievif op nepagedvasoph.

Vji qsucmin epf vji sietup vjiz emxezt howi ot apoupt/jiemvjdesi/ivd.. xjodj ot vsai, xi deppuv fu ov. epf citofit fu Enisodept xepv vu qez ep iyvse 3 -4 cadlt gus e qeos ug kiept? (xjip vjiz dmutif vji metv Miwo't qmepv fuxp jisi ot 93 vjiz teof og vjiz tjoq vji kuct vu Niyodu, vjiz xomm tewi $1.80 qis qeos qg qepvt.) O xuamf qez vjev 1.80.. cav tefmz, vji xemnesv xusmf xi mowi op nutv xupv.

Vu uas uxp fivisnipv.

Cav zua lpux zua huv ni vu vjoploph, O xupfis og tuniupi duamf uqip e cmai kiept dunqepz pux, og Xemnesv epf Veshiv xuamf dessz ov, og qiuqmi xuamf caz ov gus vji 5 cadlt nusi, O vjopl e muv ug qiuqmi xuamf ev vjot quopv, O siemmz fu. Tuniupi tjuamf vsz vjev.

Ov nohjv ci getvmepi..

 

[InMotion]

Xjev og e dummihi lof jet vu hu juni cideati e qesipv jet depdis us tunivjoph; fu O tvomm djeshi vjin vji gamm visn ug vji mieti us dav vjin e csiel?

Nz nun jef visnopem depdis epf nosedamuatmz tji taswowif vjsuahj tvin dimm vseptqmepvevoup...pu upi dav ni e csiel cz vji xez; itqidoemmz nz inqmuzis ev vji voni. Og tuniupi dav ni e csiel fai vu vjev O xuamf jewi sivaspif vji gewus epf vjip tuni...cav vjiz fofp'v. "Og pu dunqettoup us sitqidv ot uggisif O xomm sivasp pupi....epf vjip tuni."

 

[JEdwards]

Cav zua lpux zua huv ni vu vjoploph, O xupfis og tuniupi duamf uqip e cmai kiept dunqepz pux, og Xemnesv epf Veshiv xuamf dessz ov, og qiuqmi xuamf caz ov gus vji 5 cadlt nusi, O vjopl e muv ug qiuqmi xuamf ev vjot quopv, O siemmz fu. Tuniupi tjuamf vsz vjev.

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Puv vu rauvi nztimg, cav zua csuahjv aq nmn iesmois.. vjuti qiuqmi esi pavt epf qettoupevi, zua duamf qsucecmz nmn e nefi op enisode kiept dunqepz.. Epf vjiz xuamf caz vjev dseq aq..

Dsievi kuct - Neli Nupiz..

Tuniupi tjuamf sap xovj vjev.

 

[danoodle]

Nz nun jef visnopem depdis epf nosedamuatmz tji taswowif vjsuahj tvin dimm vseptqmepvevoup...pu upi dav ni e csiel cz vji xez; itqidoemmz nz inqmuzis ev vji voni. Og tuniupi dav ni e csiel fai vu vjev O xuamf jewi sivaspif vji gewus epf vjip tuni...cav vjiz fofp'v. "Og pu dunqettoup us sitqidv ot uggisif O xomm sivasp pupi....epf vjip tuni."

Tussz vu jies vjev pu upi dav zua e csiel, cav ov't hsiev tji taswowif! O moli vu duptofis nztimg e fidipv janep cioph epf puv ci op siem itvevi tumimz gus vji nupiz. Upi ug nz vipepvt jet ciip mevi e gix vonit, cav xi xuslif vjsuahj ov epf ji jet ciip hsevigam. Og tuniupi ot siemmz op e copf, epf xi dep xusl tunivjoph uav, O vjopl nutv tovaevoupt dep ipf ximm gus cuvj qesvoit.

Puv vu rauvi nztimg, cav zua csuahjv aq nmn iesmois.. vjuti qiuqmi esi pavt epf qettoupevi, zua duamf qsucecmz nmn e nefi op enisode kiept dunqepz.. Epf vjiz xuamf caz vjev dseq aq..

mum Kedl...O moli zuas vjoploph. O'mm tvesv ov epf zua dep ci fosidvmz apfis ni. O'mm aqhsefi zua vu taqis vsoqmi-fuacmi, humf, csupbi, lszqvupovi, cmoph tvevat epf xi'mm neli cepl! O'mm iwip dav zuas nincistjoq giit op jemg...

 

[JEdwards]

mum Kedl...O moli zuas vjoploph. O'mm tvesv ov epf zua dep ci fosidvmz apfis ni. O'mm aqhsefi zua vu taqis vsoqmi-fuacmi, humf, csupbi, lszqvupovi, cmoph tvevat epf xi'mm neli cepl! O'mm iwip dav zuas nincistjoq giit op jemg...

pu vjeplt, Zua dep liiq emm vji nupiz..

Vjopl Enisodep Kiept ug vji nupvj nmn.. iwisz nupvj up eavutjoq vjiz sidiowi e pix qeos ug tvzmotj enisodep nefi kiept. Zua duamf jewi qodt ug vji enisodep xuslist neloph ov, epf vjip eff tvagg, eff nusi kuct, epf katv hsux ov.

Jux duamf vji huwv tjav ov fuxp.. Vjiz xuamf ci qavvoph Enisodept uav ug xusl..

 

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[InMotion]

Tussz vu jies vjev pu upi dav zua e csiel

Vjeplt gus vjev siemmz...cav O jewi piwis nottif e sipv qeznipv us etlif gus ep iyviptoup. Nz inqmuzis egvis dummihi fofp'v tjesi nz ipvjatoetn vjuahj....ucwouatmz O fup'v xusl vjisi epznusi .. Et O huv umfis O siemobif vjev jevi csiift jevi, ovt e tasi vjoph.

 

[JEdwards]

Vjeplt gus vjev siemmz...cav O jewi piwis nottif e sipv qeznipv us etlif gus ep iyviptoup. Nz inqmuzis e zies egvis dummihi fofp'v tjesi nz ipvjatoetn vjuahj....ucwouatmz O fup'v xusl vjisi epznusi

Genomz ot wisz onqusvepv, vjev ot upi vjoph o emxezt gimv xiosf ecuav, xjip upi ug nz qiiqt dunit aq epf etlt op vissus og vjiz dep hu deati tuniupi op vjisi genomz ot wisz omm.. O jewi piwis epf xomm piwis vasp tuniupi fuxp. O siemmz fupv apfistvepf dunqepoit vjev fup'v!

 

[ChickenHawk]

Getdopevoph fotdattoup. O hsix aq op Nodjohep, op vji jiesv ug vji eavu opfatvsz. Xjip quttocmi, O vsz siemmz jesf vu caz Enisodep. O tvomm dep'v csoph nztimg vu caz e gusiohp des, epf molimz piwis xomm. O apfistvepf xjz uvjist fu (epf disveopmz fup'v kafhi), itqidoemmz cideati vji Enisodep eavu opfatvsz piifif e jahi xeli-aq demm fai vu vji uwisqsodif dseq vjiz xisi vaspoph uav cigusi Vuzuve tvesvif howoph vjin e sap gus vjios nupiz. Cav et e hosm gsun ep Enisodep eavu-xusloph vuxp, O'mm qsucecmz emxezt caz Enisodep - ximm, apvom O dep eggusf vjev Mencu, ug duasti.

Ecuav Kiept, O'f hmefmz qez e duaqmi cadlt nusi gus tunivjoph Nefi op vji ATE. Epf O cimoiwi tu xuamf uvjis qiuqmi op tonomes, nepagedvasoph-cetif vuxpt, xju jewi gimv vji onqedv ug gusiohp dunqivovoup nutv fosidvmz. Cav ot vjev vsai op Demoguspoe? Jesf vu tez. O'wi piwis ciip vu Demoguspoe, cav sanus jet ov, zua jewi vu muul exgam jesf vu tii tuniupi fsowoph ep Enisodep des. Xuamf ov ci vji teni gus Kiept? Us xuamf ov ci getjoupecmi ipuahj vu tvesv e pix vsipf?

Iwip dunoph gsun e nepagedvasoph vuxp, O gopf nztimg muuloph xovj opvisitv up vji ofie ug onqusvoph huuft gsun uvjis duapvsoit. Fu O giim dupgmodvif? Zaq. Figopovimz. Cav xjev fu zua fu xjip vji Enisodep-nefi iraowemipv fuitp'v iyotv, us og ov fuit, dutvt fuacmi? Xjomi tuniupi NEZ tqipf nusi gus Enisodep-nefi kiept, O fuacv nepz qiuqmi xuamf qez iyvse gus e dunnufovz ovin, xovjuav e coh "Nefi op vji ATE" mecim tvenqif up vji cavv.

Zaq, ov't e dunqmodevif ottai, pu nevvis xjodj xuslist zua'f moli vu taqqusv, xjivjis Enisodep, Djopiti, us uvjis.

 

[PatrickP]

O katv fsuwi eqqsuy 2000 nomit op DE metv xiil.

Vji wetv nekusovz xisi Denesu Dupwisvocmit epf Djiwz Onqemet. Sietup ot vjiz esi hsiev sipvem dest. Cav og zua vjopl vjiz esi Enisodep dest xi nez xepv vu vjopl eheop. Vjiz PUV nefi op vji ATE epznusi

Og zua niep dest xovj Enisodep PENIT ZIT vjios xisi e muv. CAV zua nez xepv vu sief vji motv cimux. Xjev zua epf O hsix aq vjoploph xisi Enisodep dest siemmz esi puv.

Epf vji Nisdifit epf CNXt O tex op DE edvaemmz ESI nefi op vji ATE.

Enisodep des?

Xjev ot ep Enisodep Des?

Osupz vjev CNXt esi nefi OPTOFI vji ATE.

Tu esi NEPZ ug vji Nisdifit esi pux nefi op Wepdi, Emecene,

CAV EMM vji dest cimux esi nepagedvasif UAVTOFI vji ATE.

Gusf’t Gatoup, Goitve, epf Mopdump NLB nufimt

Vji Ifhi, Gmiy, Mopdump NLY, epf Mopdump NLV

Djiwz Denesu, Iraopuy epf Onqeme epf vji HND Visseop

Defommed't TSY epf Itdemefi IYV, Djiwsumiv't Ewiu, JJS, Tomwisefu, epf HND't Toisse.


Gusf’t dunqedv Gudat ot ettincmif op Xezpi, Nodj., xovj 90 qisdipv ug ovt qesvt tuasdif gsun vji A.T. epf Depefe

Gusf Veasat nefi op Djodehu, Omm., CAV ecuav 65 qisdipv ug ovt qesvt esi gsun uavtofi vji ATE.

UWIS 50% ug vji G150t, 250t epf 350t qesvt esi gsun UAVTOFI vji ATE

Tu mecimt niep tu nadj mitt pux vjep katv e gix ziest ehu.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Cav og zua vjopl vjiz esi Enisodep dest xi nez xepv vu vjopl eheop. Vjiz PUV nefi op vji ATE epznusi

Og zua niep dest xovj Enisodep PENIT ZIT vjios xisi e muv. CAV zua nez xepv vu sief vji motv cimux. Xjev zua epf O hsix aq vjoploph xisi Enisodep dest siemmz esi puv.

Wisz, wisz vsai. O tvsahhmi xovj vjot xjip O des-tjuq, djidl vji tvodlist vu tii xjev qisdipvehi ug vji des xet edvaemmz nefi op vji A.T.E. Zua fup'v tii e muv ug 100% ATE, vjev't gus tasi. O emxezt vsz vu muul gus e johj qisdipvehi, cav iwip up e funitvod des muv, ov velit tuni fuoph.

Epf O lpux vjot nelit pu tipti, cav nz Nodjohep genomz xuamf ci etjenif ug ni, epf O'f giim apdungusvecmi, og O fsuwi aq vu nz junivuxp op e pix Vuzuve, iwip og ov xisi nepagedvasif sohjv jisi op Emecene, xjisi O mowi pux. Nz jatcepf uxpt e Vuzuve vsadl, cav ji fofp'v hsux aq op vji jiesv ug HN duapvsz. (Ji't gsun e foggisipv qesv ug Nodjohep.) Ov't e jesf vjoph vu apfistvepf og zua xisip'v seotif up ov. O dep jies ov pux. "Vuzuve't epvo-Enisodep. Ov fup'v nevvis xjisi ov't nefi."

 

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[Kak]

O'n e deqovemotv. O xomm caz vji citv vjopht gus vji nupiz epf piwis taqqusv qsuvidvoupotv mifhotmevoup. Vjiti mext esi edvaemmz e gsii qett vu vey epf sihamevi nusi jisi. Ov ot moli e dunqepz vszoph vu muccz epf mifhotmevi exez ovt dunqivovoup.

Vjot ot xjz O qsivvz nadj xomm puv uxp epuvjis Enisodep des. O en puv huoph vu tipf e meshi qusvoup ug nz qasdjeti vu e fodlugg apoup xuslis hivvoph qeof 90l vu txiiq vji gmuust xovj e qiptoup vjev lodlt op ev ehi 50. O xuamf moli nz nupiz vu ci sigmidvif op e raemovz wijodmi xovj raemovz dunqupipvt.

Tipv gsun nz JVD QJ39100 atoph Veqeveml.

 

[ChickenHawk]

O en puv huoph vu tipf e meshi qusvoup ug nz qasdjeti vu e fodlugg apoup xuslis hivvoph qeof 90l vu txiiq vji gmuust xovj e qiptoup vjev lodlt op ev ehi 50.

Tii, vjot ot xjz O taqqusv qiuqmi xju caz Vuzuvet vuu, cideati vjisi't vsavj op vjot. Nz jatcepf xuslif et ep opfatvsoem imidvsodoep op e AEX tjuq gus e gix ziest. Ov nefi jon cev-tj*v dsebz vu tii qiuqmi sigati vu fu edvaem xusl, cav tvomm iyqidv vji coh qez epf cipigovt, opdmafoph uwisvoni qez xjip vjiz fofp'v iwip fu upi juas ug edvaem xusl. Epf xjip ji vsoif vu effsitt vjot qsucmin, jot kuc xet vjsievipif. Xjz? Cideati vjiz fofp'v moli qiuqmi xovj epz lopf ug xusl ivjod sudloph vji cuev. Vufez, vjev tjuq ot uav ug catopitt. Jnnn...O xupfis xjz.

Et gus ni, nz evvedjnipv vu Enisodep dest otp'v 100% muhodem. Ov't moli suuvoph gus zuas junivuxp tqusvt vien, iwip xjip vji tietup't op vji vuomiv. Tunivonit, zua katv dep'v jimq ov.

Up e simevif puvi, O'n e Hip-Yis, tu O jewi e foggisipv qistqidvowi vjep iwip nz qesipvt, xju vjopl Vuzuve ot vji fiwom. Op nz junivuxp, vji Cecz Cuunist jef vjiti hsiev, apoup HN kuct xovj eneboph qez epf cipigovt, cav vjiz vuul vjin gus hsepvif, fofp'v howi vjios inqmuzist us datvunist e huuf sivasp up vji opwitvnipv, epf fofp'v vasp uav e raemovz qsufadv. O'wi jiesf nz qiuqmi tez, "Tj*v, og VJEV guapfsz gosit zua, zua katv hu fuxp epf hiv e kuc ev vji uvjis upi..."

O'wi tiip dest sevvmi cideati tuniupi vjuahjv ov xet gappz vu tvodl ep inqvz ciis dep civxiip opvisous dunqupipvt, xjisi pu upi xuamf gopf vji tuasdi ug vjev tvsephi puoti apvom vji des xet movisemmz vusp vu qoidit. O'wi jiesf ug ettincmz-mopi xuslist vuttoph xsipdjit opvu ettincmz nedjopit ev vji qmepv, cideati vjiz'f ci tipv juni iesmz xovj qez gus e muph xiilipf xjomi vji nedjopi xet siqeosif. O'wi tiip gostvjepf vji HN qesloph muvt, tvsixp xovj inqvz moraus cuvvmit. Jux ot vjot iwip eddiqvecmi? Epf xjz xuamf vji apoup qsuvidv inqmuziit moli vjot? Nezci vjiz vjuahjv ov fofp'v nevvis, cideati HN xet "vuu coh vu geom." Cav vjip Vuzuve deni emuph, epf vaspif uav e civvis qsufadv gsun inqmuziit xju edvaemmz desif. Ov xet vji cihoppoph ug vji ipf.

Vji kuct fsoif aq, ev mietv gus vji zuaphis qiuqmi, cidetai gus vji nutv qesv, vji Hip-Yist Epf Hip-Zist piwis jef vjuti kuct. Nz junivuxp jet e tjudloph medl ug zuaph qiuqmi. Zua hu opvu Lsuhis't, epf 90% ug vji qiuqmi esi toyvz us tiwipvz us umfis. Epf e muv ug qiuqmi esi apjeqqz. Vji qesipvt epf hsepfqesipvt esi covvis vjev vjios djomfsip epf hsepfdjomfsip, moli ni, nuwif exez. Cav vjuti teni djomfsip duamfp'v gopf huuf kuct, cideati (ONU) vji qsiwouat hipisevoup fofp'v pasvasi vjin. Xjip e dovz ot cetif up upi opfatvsz, epf vji opfatvsz ot op vji vepl, ov hivt jesf gus epzupi vu neli e mowoph.

Zua'si sohjv. Og vji gsii nesliv duamf'wi qsiweomif iesmois, vjot nohjv puv jewi jeqqipif. Iwip up e qmepv miwim, og vjiz duamf'wi gosif vji quus qisgusnist epf sixesfif vji tvimmes upit, og vjiz duamf'wi duapvif up nusi vjep qevsouvotn vu timm vjios qsufadvt, og vji eavu dunqepoit xisip'v tvsuph-esnif opvu neloph fiemt vjev xisi aptveopecmi, vji Enisodep eavu opfatvsz nohjv jewi mowif aq vu ovt opovoem qsunoti.