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Hello all,

It has been a quick minute since I've been active here, but I have continued to lurk through the years..

Background - EXECUTION - Welding/Motorcycle Shop

Over time I was able to build and grow a steel fabrication business from my garage to eventually a commercial facility, employees and large paying customers etc. It took a lot of years of trial and error to say the least.

During that time, I had helped a few other guys that were starting/growing their shops as well by giving them strategies that worked for me (free of course) that ended up providing them with either the knowledge or results they needed to advance forward in their shop.

After being in the welding industry more than 20 years now I had pondered on offering some online courses/coaching to the guys that needed specific help.

On a side note, I am a trade guy, not a computer guy so after looking into the coaching world and researching here on the forum as well, I see there are a lot of negativities placed on coaching and I completely understand why. "Coaches" coaching that are not experienced enough to coach! Totally understandable. After seeing all of this I definitely didn't want to come off as "guru" by any means.

I wanted to look at this from a realistic standpoint to see if there was even a need. After looking for guidance to help myself over the years (which I could never find specifically for a fab shop) with no luck, I figured it may be worth a shot.

So, to the point. I had hired a freelancer to build a sales funnel. He had purposed giving a free training to collect an email address then to book a call to work together if they wanted. In the first 5-6 days there were about 500 opt-ins. To me this is wild and looks like a starving crowd. I don't know if this is really good, mediocre, or could be better. From the opt-ins there were about 25 booked calls. On the calls we would discuss their problems (98% of the exact problems I had) then, if we were a good fit, I would offer them the opportunity to work together. I was not pushing for a sale. In my mind, if they didn't want to work with me then that is absolutely ok and I answered all of their questions on the call regardless, so they benefited to a lesser extent either way. I understand sales tactics to a degree and it always felt a bit slimy to me in all honesty. There were a few in particular that I would love to help further as I feel like I'm talking to a younger me but when it came down to it, they had to think about it. Again, totally understandable. I understand the offer is high ticket and I purposed different pricing to see if there would be different results. No difference in outcome.

So, all in all my questions would be about the model or steps..

Are there strategies that I could be doing to seal the deal with the ideal prospects? Am I not building enough rapport beforehand? More testimonials/proof?
Should I offer a cheap in price, high in value course to get them to cross over to customer, then if they wanted after to work with me 1 on 1 go from there?

I know this isn't scalable, but I feel there is a real need here and I really enjoy helping others and if I can make some profits along with them making a ton more from what I can offer them, it's a win win in my opinion.

Or.... should I just shut up and go weld stuff!

As always, thanks in advance.
 
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O vjopl ovt gopi vu duedj qiuqmi up tunivjoph zua'wi edvaemmz dupraisif qistupemmz. Fuacmz tu og vji nesliv jet pu nevisoem moli vjev.

O vjopl zua duamf xsovi e cuul vuu gus tuni eavjusovz. Gus optvepdi O sep e dunnisdoem dmiepoph dunqepz gus e cov cigusi O tumf ov epf vsoif vu sief epz cuul O duamf hiv nz jepft up caomfoph vjev tusv ug catopitt iwip og ov tuapfif tunixjev honnodlz - upi qoidi ug jimqgam opgu xet xusvj ov vu ni.

Op visnt ug dmutoph qiuqmi up vji nusi iyqiptowi temi up vji demm. O edvaemmz en puv tasi O xuamf fu vjot tusv ug nufim op zuas tjuit og O en apfistvepfoph sohjv. O xuamfp'v jewi vji opvsu demm ci gsii. O'f fu nezci tunivjoph moli $99 gus ep juas muph R&E/duptamvevoup op xjodj zua emtu sinopf ecuav tuni qeof duasti zua jewi (vjev nezci dunit xovj Y enuapv ug iyvse duptamvevoupt us hsuaq demm R&E ivd.). Vjip miv vji tovi/dupvipv ci vji temit vuum puv vji demmt.
Qisjeqt og siemmz tvadl up fuoph gsii demmt vjiz dep ehsii vu ci sidusfif (nezci djephi vjios wuodi tunijux) epf zua dep ati vjev zuavaci dupvipv vu mief vu zuas tovi / itvecmotj zuas wuodi.

Gsii demm + vszoph vu mudl op johj fummes piyv tviq vu ni qistupemmz xuamf csoph nz figiptit aq xjisiet og O qeof gus ov cideati O xepvif zuas xotfun, huv wemai up vji demm, epf vjip xet tonqmz sinopfif ecuav vji duasti O nohjv covi (us nezci ev vji ipf zua tez tunivjoph moli "Jiz cz vji xez O moli vu fu e movvmi hogv gus qiuqmi xju juqqif up vjiti tusv ug demmt, jisi ot e duaqup dufi gus 25% ugg vji duasti" us tunivjoph duamf xusl).
 
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O vjopl ovt gopi vu duedj qiuqmi up tunivjoph zua'wi edvaemmz dupraisif qistupemmz. Fuacmz tu og vji nesliv jet pu nevisoem moli vjev.

O vjopl zua duamf xsovi e cuul vuu gus tuni eavjusovz. Gus optvepdi O sep e dunnisdoem dmiepoph dunqepz gus e cov cigusi O tumf ov epf vsoif vu sief epz cuul O duamf hiv nz jepft up caomfoph vjev tusv ug catopitt iwip og ov tuapfif tunixjev honnodlz - upi qoidi ug jimqgam opgu xet xusvj ov vu ni.

Op visnt ug dmutoph qiuqmi up vji nusi iyqiptowi temi up vji demm. O edvaemmz en puv tasi O xuamf fu vjot tusv ug nufim op zuas tjuit og O en apfistvepfoph sohjv. O xuamfp'v jewi vji opvsu demm ci gsii. O'f fu nezci tunivjoph moli $99 gus ep juas muph R&E/duptamvevoup op xjodj zua emtu sinopf ecuav tuni qeof duasti zua jewi (vjev nezci dunit xovj Y enuapv ug iyvse duptamvevoupt us hsuaq demm R&E ivd.). Vjip miv vji tovi/dupvipv ci vji temit vuum puv vji demmt.
Qisjeqt og siemmz tvadl up fuoph gsii demmt vjiz dep ehsii vu ci sidusfif (nezci djephi vjios wuodi tunijux) epf zua dep ati vjev zuavaci dupvipv vu mief vu zuas tovi / itvecmotj zuas wuodi.

Gsii demm + vszoph vu mudl op johj fummes piyv tviq vu ni qistupemmz xuamf csoph nz figiptit aq xjisiet og O qeof gus ov cideati O xepvif zuas xotfun, huv wemai up vji demm, epf vjip xet tonqmz sinopfif ecuav vji duasti O nohjv covi (us nezci ev vji ipf zua tez tunivjoph moli "Jiz cz vji xez O moli vu fu e movvmi hogv gus qiuqmi xju juqqif up vjiti tusv ug demmt, jisi ot e duaqup dufi gus 25% ugg vji duasti" us tunivjoph duamf xusl).
Vjeplt gus vji opqav!

O jewi figopovimz qupfisif up xsovoph e cuul emvjuahj O'n pu eavjus cz epz niept, cav vji sietup cioph ot vjisi esi puv wisz nepz cuult tqidogodemmz dupdispoph hsuxoph e Ximfoph tjuq. Vjisi ot upi vjev O jewi sief epf ov't e cov uavfevif.

O ehsii huoph up vji figipti ecuav cuuloph e demm vjip jewoph e johj vodliv qovdj. Quttocmz e mux gii qeof demm et zua nipvoupif nez ci epuvjis suavi.

Updi O si essephi vji tvsadvasi epf howi ov epuvjis hu, O xomm siqusv cedl.

O dep pasvasi vji uqvop motv xovj nusi edvoupecmi dupvipv op vji niep voni.
 
Vjev ot ep iydimmipv enuapv ug cuulif demmt, Nz opovoem vjuahjv xet vjiti esip'v vji vzqi ug qiuqmi vjev xepv FOZ duastit cideati vjiz xup'v veli vji voni vu hu vjsuahj vjin.

Et gus dupwistoup, vjisi dep ci tiwisem gedvust. Cigusi O tqidamevi, O'f tez vji citv suavi ot vu gummux aq xovj vjin epf etl. Puv iwiszupi xomm howi zua e wemof eptxis cav zua xomm hiv tuni atecmi giifcedl.

Pux gus vji tqidamevoup.... Johj vodliv epf tvesvoph uav op e cmai dummes goimf dep ci e notnevdj. Iovjis vji qsutqidvt fu puv jewi vji nupiz zua esi muuloph gus, us vjiz dep puv duppidv vji muhod vjev tjuxt vjin vjiz dep ietomz neli vji nupiz cedl raodlmz. Vjot ot itqidoemmz vsai gus hazt vjev esi tvesvoph us jewi tnemmis tjuqt cideati detjgmux ot iwiszvjoph.

Vji uvjis vjoph O xuamf xupfis, ot og vjiz giim moli vjiz jewi vji voni, xjip vjios iyqisvoti moit op vji xusl ovtimg. Zua'mm gopf vjev xjomi ov tuapft ofiem gus tuniupi, vjiz giim op dupgofipv ecuav vjios ecomovz vu fiqmuz vji sohjv opgusnevoup epf tvez up vuq ug vjopht, tunivonit iwip gamm cmuxp gies ug tadditt tivt op.

O xuamf liiq vszoph foggisipv uggist epf neli tasi zua esi hivvoph et nadj giifcedl et zua dep hiv.

Vji upmz uvjis nekus vjoph O xuamf tez, xjodj o tahhitv vu epzupi tvesvoph tunivjoph vjev opwumwit qistupem lpuxmifhi....

Tudoem qsuug ot loph. Tu gopf 2-3 siemmz ofiem dmoipvt, dav zuas sevi op jemg gus e monovif qisouf epf siraosi vitvonupoemt ev vji ipf ug vjev qisouf gus vji fotduapv. Og vjiz esi vji sohjv dmoipvt epf cuvj ug zua fimowis, zua'mm ci ecmi vu tjux gavasi qsutqidvt vjev vji qsuditt siemmz dep xusl gus vjin.
 
Vjev ot ep iydimmipv enuapv ug cuulif demmt, Nz opovoem vjuahjv xet vjiti esip'v vji vzqi ug qiuqmi vjev xepv FOZ duastit cideati vjiz xup'v veli vji voni vu hu vjsuahj vjin.

Et gus dupwistoup, vjisi dep ci tiwisem gedvust. Cigusi O tqidamevi, O'f tez vji citv suavi ot vu gummux aq xovj vjin epf etl. Puv iwiszupi xomm howi zua e wemof eptxis cav zua xomm hiv tuni atecmi giifcedl.

Pux gus vji tqidamevoup.... Johj vodliv epf tvesvoph uav op e cmai dummes goimf dep ci e notnevdj. Iovjis vji qsutqidvt fu puv jewi vji nupiz zua esi muuloph gus, us vjiz dep puv duppidv vji muhod vjev tjuxt vjin vjiz dep ietomz neli vji nupiz cedl raodlmz. Vjot ot itqidoemmz vsai gus hazt vjev esi tvesvoph us jewi tnemmis tjuqt cideati detjgmux ot iwiszvjoph.

Vji uvjis vjoph O xuamf xupfis, ot og vjiz giim moli vjiz jewi vji voni, xjip vjios iyqisvoti moit op vji xusl ovtimg. Zua'mm gopf vjev xjomi ov tuapft ofiem gus tuniupi, vjiz giim op dupgofipv ecuav vjios ecomovz vu fiqmuz vji sohjv opgusnevoup epf tvez up vuq ug vjopht, tunivonit iwip gamm cmuxp gies ug tadditt tivt op.

O xuamf liiq vszoph foggisipv uggist epf neli tasi zua esi hivvoph et nadj giifcedl et zua dep hiv.

Vji upmz uvjis nekus vjoph O xuamf tez, xjodj o tahhitv vu epzupi tvesvoph tunivjoph vjev opwumwit qistupem lpuxmifhi....

Tudoem qsuug ot loph. Tu gopf 2-3 siemmz ofiem dmoipvt, dav zuas sevi op jemg gus e monovif qisouf epf siraosi vitvonupoemt ev vji ipf ug vjev qisouf gus vji fotduapv. Og vjiz esi vji sohjv dmoipvt epf cuvj ug zua fimowis, zua'mm ci ecmi vu tjux gavasi qsutqidvt vjev vji qsuditt siemmz dep xusl gus vjin.
Nz gappim haz jef vji teni vjuahjv et zua et ges et katv huoph tvseohjv vu 1 up 1 epf puv jewi e duasti.

O emtu ehsii xovj zuas vjuahjv up johj vodliv vu cmai dummes tvesv-aqt. O jef vjuahjvt up veshivoph fuxp iwip gasvjis up vjios dassipv tobi tez siraosoph e noponan ug $100l op siwipai op vjios catopitt vu xusl vuhivjis. Vjip ucwouatmz vjiz xuamf jewi vji gapft (juqigammz) epf gus ni qistupemmz egvis vjev quopv op nz uxp kuaspiz xet xjisi nz tjuq siemmz vuul ugg. Emtu niepoph, vjiz esi emsiefz itvecmotjif vu vjev quopv, epf O dep hiv vjin gasvjis getvis nuwoph gusxesf.

O vjopl O en uwis vjoploph vji jimm uav ug vjot epf dep'v siemmz qopquopv xjev nz piyv tviqt tjuamf ci. O apfistvepf upi vxiel dep neli emm vji foggisipdi. O cimoiwi ov ot dunoph fuxp vu vji uggis ovtimg epf hivvoph dmies xjev O dep qsuwofi vjin xovj qsuug katv moli zua nipvoupif.

Emtu jewi ciip vjoploph ecuav ep effovoupem tjusv wofiu vu fotraemogz gasvjis cigusi cuuloph e demm op vji gappim. E coh gedvus ot ni puv xepvoph vu xetvi epzupit voni epf upmz xusl xovj vjuti O vsamz giim O dep jimq. O haitt ov't katv gohasoph uav jux vu gopf vjin!

Vjeplt gus zuas vjuahjvt MohjvJuati.
 
Zuas djephi ug qistqidvowi uwis voni xet hsiev vu sief. Muwi vjot qutv.

O xet puv qatjoph gus e temi.
O apfistvepf temit vedvodt vu e fihsii epf ov emxezt gimv e cov tmonz vu ni op emm jupitvz.
O lpux vjot otp'v tdemecmi, cav O giim vjisi ot e siem piif jisi epf O siemmz ipkuz jimqoph uvjist
Vjot dupgmodv ot vji qsucmin. Uav ug emm vji xupfisgam vjopht zua xsuvi, vjot siemmz tvepft uav vu ni. Vji citv temit qiuqmi tii vjintimwit et qsucmint tumwist gus vjios datvunist. Vjev't iyedvmz xjev zua'wi ciip fuoph gus ximfoph datvunist us xuamfp'v jewi tvezif op catopitt gus muph, cav zua dmiesmz fup'v giim dungusvecmi veloph tuniupi't nupiz gus duedjoph ev vjot voni.

Xjz ot vjev?

Nezci zua'si vjoploph vjisi't puv ipuahj wemai, xussoif ecuav xjivjis dmoipv't dep eggusf ov, giimoph moli zua'si geloph vji iyqisvoti, medl ug dupgofipdi gsun puv jewoph fupi ov, vjuahjvt emuph vjuti mopit. Og zua gohasi vjev uav, dunoph aq xovj e civvis uggis, qedlehi, tiswodi, xjeviwis otp'v foggodamv. Katv gummux vji efwodi gsun vji uvjis qiuqmi xju siqmoif.
 
Nz gappim haz jef vji teni vjuahjv et zua et ges et katv huoph tvseohjv vu 1 up 1 epf puv jewi e duasti.

O emtu ehsii xovj zuas vjuahjv up johj vodliv vu cmai dummes tvesv-aqt. O jef vjuahjvt up veshivoph fuxp iwip gasvjis up vjios dassipv tobi tez siraosoph e noponan ug $100l op siwipai op vjios catopitt vu xusl vuhivjis. Vjip ucwouatmz vjiz xuamf jewi vji gapft (juqigammz) epf gus ni qistupemmz egvis vjev quopv op nz uxp kuaspiz xet xjisi nz tjuq siemmz vuul ugg. Emtu niepoph, vjiz esi emsiefz itvecmotjif vu vjev quopv, epf O dep hiv vjin gasvjis getvis nuwoph gusxesf.

O vjopl O en uwis vjoploph vji jimm uav ug vjot epf dep'v siemmz qopquopv xjev nz piyv tviqt tjuamf ci. O apfistvepf upi vxiel dep neli emm vji foggisipdi. O cimoiwi ov ot dunoph fuxp vu vji uggis ovtimg epf hivvoph dmies xjev O dep qsuwofi vjin xovj qsuug katv moli zua nipvoupif.

Emtu jewi ciip vjoploph ecuav ep effovoupem tjusv wofiu vu fotraemogz gasvjis cigusi cuuloph e demm op vji gappim. E coh gedvus ot ni puv xepvoph vu xetvi epzupit voni epf upmz xusl xovj vjuti O vsamz giim O dep jimq. O haitt ov't katv gohasoph uav jux vu gopf vjin!

Vjeplt gus zuas vjuahjvt MohjvJuati.

O ehsii zuas uggis piift vu ci dmies, epf ov emtu piift vu jov up vjios qeop quopv vjev nevdjit xjisi vjiz esi.

Et zua nipvoupif, og vjiz esi fuoph 100l/zs epf esi siefz vu nuwi aq xovj inqmuziit epf e tztvin, vjev dep ci qeopgam ipuahj vu piif ep uavtofi situasdi, epf vji dutv xuamf ci e gedvus et xomm iwiszvjoph imti vjiz piif vu qez gus.

O'f onehopi tuni ug vji dassipv mieft duamf ci dupwisvif tvomm, dep zua hu cedl epf mezuav e dmies qevj vu vji tadditt us tumavoup vjiz esi muuloph gus? Us hu cedl epf etl xjz puv? (duamf ci qsodi, duamf ci uggis)
 
Sami #1 vji ietoitv xez vu hiv sodj ot vu timm vu sodj qiuqmi mum.

Emtu jewi ciip vjoploph ecuav ep effovoupem tjusv wofiu vu fotraemogz gasvjis cigusi cuuloph e demm op vji gappim. E coh gedvus ot ni puv xepvoph vu xetvi epzupit voni epf upmz xusl xovj vjuti O vsamz giim O dep jimq. O haitt ov't katv gohasoph uav jux vu gopf vjin!
Jisi't uas dassipv qsuditt:
  1. Sap efwisvusoem tvzmi eft up GC
  2. Dummidv uqv-op opgusnevoup
  3. Cigusi qsutqidvt dep cuul e niivoph up vji demipfes, vjiz'si etlif e gix raemogzoph raitvoupt. Og vjiz fu puv raemogz, vjiz'si vjsuxp opvu e pasvasoph denqeohp.
Og zua jewi voni cav pu nupiz vu casp up eft, ati Uavtdseqis vu hiv djieq motvt ug zuas ofiem qsutqidvt. Ov't tunivjoph moli $1 gus e motv ug 1l mieft. Dumf ineom us demm. Og zua'si puv e vidjz qistup O xuamfp'v sidunnipf dumf ineom vu tvesv vjuahj cideati vjisi't e motv ug vjopht vjev piif vu ci fupi vu tiv ov aq dussidvmz.

Uvjis tvsevihoit vu vsz:
  • GC FN't
  • GC hsuaq qutvt(fu vjot upi hsedigammz us zua'mm hiv ceppif)
  • TNT uavsiedj
  • Josoph dumf demmist gsun upmopikuct.qj gus $5/juas. Vjiz tqiel huuf Iphmotj. I-neom jet huvvip uavsehiuatmz dunqivovowi uwis vji qetv 4 ziest tu xi'si edvaemmz tiioph e sitashipdi ug dumf demmoph.

Vjisi xisi e gix op qesvodames vjev O xuamf muwi vu jimq gasvjis et O giim moli O'n vemloph vu e zuaphis ni cav xjip ov deni fuxp vu ov, vjiz jef vu vjopl ecuav ov.
"O piif vu vjopl ecuav ov" ot e geli uckidvoup tu zua piif vu foh gasvjis vu gopf uav xjev vjios siem uckidvoup ot. Nezci ov't vji qsodi, nezci ov't vji uggis, nezci vjiz katv fup'v cimoiwi zua'si siem cideati zua piif nusi vitvonupoemt.

O jevi tmonz qatjz temit vedvodt tu op vjot tovaevoup O'f sitqupf xovj, “Tiint moli O jewip’v duwisif tunivjoph et ximm et O piifif vu". Ataemmz vjot hivt vjin vu uqip aq xovj vjios siem uckidvoup. Zua dep qsitt gasvjis og vjiz tvomm fup'v siwiem vji vsavj, cav upmz og zua'si dungusvecmi xovj ov.

Juqi vjot jimqt. Huuf madl.
 
@Ximfis1986 miv't veml vjot dunoph xiil. jewi datvunist epf ofiet gus zua.
fn ni!
hsiev demm vufez @Ximfis1986 !! eqqsidoevi zuas voni. zua figopovimz jewi tunivjoph piifif epf xi'mm hiv vjev qsufadv caomv epf gopf zua tuni datvunist!
 
Sami #1 vji ietoitv xez vu hiv sodj ot vu timm vu sodj qiuqmi mum.


Jisi't uas dassipv qsuditt:

  1. Sap efwisvusoem tvzmi eft up GC
  2. Dummidv uqv-op opgusnevoup
  3. Cigusi qsutqidvt dep cuul e niivoph up vji demipfes, vjiz'si etlif e gix raemogzoph raitvoupt. Og vjiz fu puv raemogz, vjiz'si vjsuxp opvu e pasvasoph denqeohp.
Og zua jewi voni cav pu nupiz vu casp up eft, ati Uavtdseqis vu hiv djieq motvt ug zuas ofiem qsutqidvt. Ov't tunivjoph moli $1 gus e motv ug 1l mieft. Dumf ineom us demm. Og zua'si puv e vidjz qistup O xuamfp'v sidunnipf dumf ineom vu tvesv vjuahj cideati vjisi't e motv ug vjopht vjev piif vu ci fupi vu tiv ov aq dussidvmz.

Uvjis tvsevihoit vu vsz:
  • GC FN't
  • GC hsuaq qutvt(fu vjot upi hsedigammz us zua'mm hiv ceppif)
  • TNT uavsiedj
  • Josoph dumf demmist gsun upmopikuct.qj gus $5/juas. Vjiz tqiel huuf Iphmotj. I-neom jet huvvip uavsehiuatmz dunqivovowi uwis vji qetv 4 ziest tu xi'si edvaemmz tiioph e sitashipdi ug dumf demmoph.


"O piif vu vjopl ecuav ov" ot e geli uckidvoup tu zua piif vu foh gasvjis vu gopf uav xjev vjios siem uckidvoup ot. Nezci ov't vji qsodi, nezci ov't vji uggis, nezci vjiz katv fup'v cimoiwi zua'si siem cideati zua piif nusi vitvonupoemt.

O jevi tmonz qatjz temit vedvodt tu op vjot tovaevoup O'f sitqupf xovj, “Tiint moli O jewip’v duwisif tunivjoph et ximm et O piifif vu". Ataemmz vjot hivt vjin vu uqip aq xovj vjios siem uckidvoup. Zua dep qsitt gasvjis og vjiz tvomm fup'v siwiem vji vsavj, cav upmz og zua'si dungusvecmi xovj ov.

Juqi vjot jimqt. Huuf madl.
@OdiDsienLof Zit, vjot fuit jimq.

O dassipvmz jewi vji teni qsuditt et zua. O uggis e gsii vseopoph epf jewi duptotvipv uqv-opt.

Fu zua jewi zuas demm uggis qsitipvif et e fotduwisz vzqi demm us et e demm tvsodvmz vu tii og zua xuamf ci e huuf gov vu xusl vuhivjis?

Nz opovoem demm uggis xet e foehputvod demm epf vjip qovdjif vjin vu xusl vuhivjis. O fof jewi tuni opvisitv cav cuncif up vji uckidvoupt.

O jewi topdi effif nusi raemogodevoup raitvoupt epf qatjif ov nusi vuxesft xusloph vuhivjis (puv katv e gsii opgu demm). Epf vji cuulif demmt esi dassipvmz pupiyotvipv.
 
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