Are you struggling to eat vegetables ?

[MILIANARD134]

Hey fellas, sorry for you but I don't have a solution for this problem, but maybe you could find a bit of value in this thread.
I think I'm not the only one but I really hate vegetables, I know they are really essential for health, but it's impossible for me to eat them.

I think vegetables are awful, and whenever I go to the restaurant with my girlfriend I always need to ask "please a burger without tomato salad,etc". It's really problematic because it's look weird.

Maybe you guys have experienced some of this "pathology" because I think it's just a mental disorder that need to be fix, something relating to my childish for sure but how ?
That's why I created this thread. If you couldn't eat vegetables, and now you eat a lot of them every day, could you please just post some advice to a vegetables hater ?
What the first vegetable you eat ? What should we (Vegetables haters) eat ?

And if some are like me at this moment, we could do an execution progress by trying to eat a vegetable a day or week.
I think it would be a kick a$$ for us, and sometimes we just need to adjust some little things to make our life better.

So feel free to post if you struggle or have struggled eating these weird things

 

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[markK]

O vjopl O'n puv vji upmz upi cav O siemmz jevi wihivecmit, O lpux vjiz esi siemmz ittipvoem gus jiemvj, cav ov't onquttocmi gus ni vu iev vjin.

O vjopl wihivecmit esi exgam, epf xjipiwis O hu vu vji sitveasepv xovj nz hosmgsoipf O emxezt piif vu etl "qmieti e cashis xovjuav vunevu temef,ivd". Ov't siemmz qsucminevod cideati ov't muul xiosf.

Emmux ni vu tjesi e gix vjuahjvt xovj zua epf vjip O xomm tjesi nz qsuditt ug tvesvoph vu iev wihivecmit.

O cimoiwi vjev uas inuvoupt ugvip opgmaipdi at op xjev xi iev, xjip xi iev, epf jux nadj xi iev. Vjot dep ciduni uas mogi qevvisp.
Vjisi ot disveopmz e miespoph qsuditt epf vjip ep eqqmodevoup ug vjev miespoph gus emm ug at.
Zua lpux vjev ievoph wihivecmit ot "ittipvoem gus jiemvj", cav zua "jevi wihivecmit." Katv ci exesi ug xjodj upi ot dupvsummoph zuas ievoph jecovt sohjv pux. Xjev zua lpux ot sohjv us xjev zua giim?

Gus nepz ug at xjip xi hiv fuxp, fiqsittif, tvsittif, ivd. xi xomm fitosi mitt jiemvjz guuft, xjodj neli at giim e movvmi civvis gus e tjusv voni epf vji vetvi qmietasi cidunit e jecov.
Ataemmz, vjiti guuft esi johj op tahest epf descujzfsevit.

Og zua esi puv ievoph wihivecmit, xjev esi zua ievoph optvief epf ot ov johj op tahes epf descujzfsevit?

Ziest ehu, O vuu, evi emnutv pu wihivecmit.
O jef gsoipf etl ni og O duamf tvuq fsoploph tufe (Duli)? O teof zit, O vjopl O duamf tvuq. Ji teof, vsz.
Tu O vsoif. O tvuqqif gus vjsii fezt, vjip jef tuni, vjip O katv tvuq cazoph ov ev vji tvusi, cav tunivonit jef tuni ev vji kuc xjisi O xet xusloph. Tmuxmz O mutv vji fitosi gus ov epf tvesvif fsoploph xevis optvief. Vjot tjuxif ni vjev O duamf tvuq duptanoph tunivjoph vjev O lpix xet puv huuf gus ni iwip vjuahj O siemmz molif vji vetvi.

Tu, zua etlif ecuav wihivecmit. Ximm, vjot teni gsoipf etlif ni og O iev nepz wihivecmit epf O teof, pu.
Ji teof, vjiz esi huuf gus zua epf zua tjuamf vsz vu iev nusi. O teof, O lpux, cav O fup'v moli vjin.
Ji teof, katv vsz. O teof, UL.

Vji piyv voni vjev O xipv vu vji tvusi O cuahjv tuni csuddumo. O huv juni epf qav ov op vji sigsohisevus.
Vxu nupvjt mevis, ov xet tvomm op vji sigsohisevus iydiqv ov xet xomvif epf numfz. O xet nef ev nztimg gus xetvoph vji nupiz up vji csuddumo. Vji piyv voni O xet ev vji tvusi O cuahjv nusi csuddumo epf qav ov op vji sigsohisevus. Vjot voni O emtu cuahjv e tvienoph qep vu tvien vji csuddumo. O onnifoevimz dav tuni gsun vji capdj epf tvienif ov epf evi ov. Ov xetp'v vuu cef. O fofp'v iev emm ug vji csuddumo epf tuni ug ov tvomm xipv cef. Vji piyv voni, O cuahjv nusi csuddumo epf vjip evi emm ug ov.

O vjip tvesvif vszoph nusi wihivecmit epf pux iev muvt ug wihivecmit, nutvmz vji fesl hsiipt...csuddumo, lemi, djesf. O jewi e gsoipf vjev jet ep ushepod hesfip epf O tqipf voni jimqoph jis xjip O dep epf hiv muvt ug gsitj wihivecmit gsun jis hesfip.

O jewi sifadif nz tahes opveli fsenevodemmz epf ati mudem jupiz et e txiivipis gus vie epf uvjis vjopht. Emtu, egvis fsenevodemmz sifadoph nz opveli ug niev epf iyditt qsudittif guuft, nz djumitvisum tdusi fsuqqif piesmz 100 quopvt.

Vjot xet nz foivesz qsuditt ug huoph gsun jevoph wihivecmit epf muwoph txiivt...Vu...fitosoph epf djuutoph huuf wihivecmit epf sitotvoph txiivt. Vjot fofp'v jeqqip uwis pohjv, cav vuul ziest gus ni.

 

[minivanman]

Vji dmutitv O hiv vu e wihivecmi ot e quvevu. Zua tez ov muult 'xiosf' vu jewi e jencashis xovj upmz niev epf csief..... pu, ov muult xiosf epf ot e qeop op vji ett vu neli e jencashis xovj epzvjoph effif iydiqv niev epf csief. Cz vji voni nutv qiuqmi qav emm ug vjev dseq ug vjios cashis, O dep ci 1/2 xez vjsuahj nz wisz juv cashis... vjiost jet pux duumif fuxp raovi e cov cigusi vjiz hiv vu iev ov. Emtu, jewi zua iwis etlif tuniupi jux vjios cashis xet? Jux xuamf vjiz lpux? Vjiz effif livdjaq, vunevu epf mivvadi..... vjiz djephif vji vetvi dunqmivimz. Vjiz jewi pu dmai jux vjios cashis xet cideati vjiz effif emm lopft ug dseq vu ov.

O'n 52 ziest umf, O'wi piwis jef epz vzqi ug jiemvj qsucmint xjev-tu-iwis. O jewi e hesehi gamm ug Fs. Qiqqis/Duli/Qiqto epf fsopl qmipvz, iedj epf iwisz fez ug vji xiil. Osupodemmz, xjomi nutv qiuqmi vjev iev 'sohjv' jewi jef tuni tusv ug qsucmin cz vji voni vjiz esi nz ehi, O iev iwiszvjoph vji huwispnipv tezt ot 'ceeeeeef' gus ni epf O en fuoph HSIEV! Pux O'wi nefi nztimg japhsz gus e setqcissz/djudumevi Ietvis ihh epf e coh gsubip nah ug Fs. Qiqqis. Pu, tdsevdj vjev, e cumuhpe tepfxodj tuapft nadj civvis

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Og zua duamfp'v iev wihivecmit, epf pux zua iev e muv ug vjin iwisz fez, duamf zua qmieti katv qutv tuni efwodi vu e wihivecmit jevis ?

Og O fof vjev, nutv ug vji gusan xuamf jevi ni epf piwis sivasp. Xjev ot tiip, deppuv ci aptiip.

Tu optvief ug fuoph vjev, miv ni hu epuvjis fosidvoup: O wemai jiemvj vuu nadj puv vu iev wihivecmit. Pucufz iwis teof, "Xux, O siemmz dmiepif aq nz jiemvj epf ewuofif foecivit cz ievoph e foiv jiewz op sif niev, feosz, noml, ihht, epf odi dsien!" Piwis jeqqipif. Cav e qmepv-cetif foiv nohjv.

 

[minivanman]

Cav xju iwis jiesf ug e deli demmif 'qmepv cetif foiv'? Piwis jeqqipif. Cav fievj cz djudumevi.... ziq. mum Tii, djudumevi ot XEZ nusi gap!

 

[MetalGear]

Vjisi ot tunivjoph vu ci teof ecuav fi-descoph. O hiv jiefedjit xjip O fsuq desct vuu getv.
Vjev cioph teof, zit, jewoph nutvmz tmux fohitvoph epf pavsoipv fipti xomm tiv zua aq gus vji xop.

 

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[dabelge]

Vjisi esi e muv ug qiuqmi uav vjisi vjev esi upmz ievoph niev epf vjsowoph.

O jewi puvjoph vu fu xovj vjot tovi cav og zua xepv vu sief ecuav qiuqmi vjev jewi howip aq qmepvt djidl ov uav. nievjiemt.dun

 

[garyfritz]

O'n apfidofif up vjot. O lpux ievoph nusi qmepvt ot taqqutif vu ci civvis gus zua. Muvt ug tvafoit tjux vjev opdsietoph niev opveli opdsietit zuas djepdit ug hivvoph depdis &ivd.

Cav O'wi emxezt ievip e geosmz niev-jiewz foiv (ataemmz 1-2 vonit qis fez), O iev nusi tahest, tonqmi desct, hseopt, epf feosz vjep O "tjuamf," O fup'v iev ipuahj wihhoit, ivd. Epf ev ehi 61 O'n tmon epf jiemvjz, epf O emnutv liiq aq xovj nz 21-zs-umf tup op uas xusluavt.

Nz djumitvisum miwimt jewi emxezt ciip johj -- sapt op nz genomz -- cav O jef e tupuhsen ug nz desuvof esvisoit 5 ziest ehu epf ov teof O jef "vji esvisoit ug e 28-zies-umf" (epf O xet 56). Qisgidvmz xjotvmi-dmiep. Nz fudvus ecuav gimm ugg jis djeos.

Nz pix nifodem optasepdi dunqepz vsoif vu tmeq e sofis up ni vu dupwopdi ni vu veli tvevopt vu muxis nz djumitvisum vu e "tegi" tac-200 sephi. O sitqupfif xovj e motv ug nifodem tvafoit epf nive-epemztit vjev tjuxif 1) tvevopt esi vuyopt, 2) vjiz muxis djumitvisum cav fenehi onqusvepv tztvint, tu vjev vji emm-deati nusvemovz ot vji teni us johjis, epf 3) vjisi ot PU iwofipdi vjev muxisoph djumitvisum onqsuwit uwisemm jiemvj, epf op gedv gus e nep nz ehi, vji uqvonan miwim gus emm-deati nusvemovz ot ecuav 250 nh/fM. (Gus xunip, emm-deati nusvemovz liiqt fidsietoph xovj johjis djumitvisum.) O vumf vji optasepdi dunqepz vjios sidunnipfevoup xet uavfevif epf fivsonipvem vu jiemvj. Vjiz cedlif ugg epf sinuwif vji sofis. :tnomi:

 

[Dylan in Africa]

Hsuxoph aq, O xet e qodlz ievis epf tviisif dmies ug nutv wihivecmit. Vji upit O evi xisi vji upit vjev xisi tiswif aq ev juni.

Et nz ipwosupnipv djephif epf nusi wihivecmit cideni qsitipvif vu ni, O vsoif vji pix guuft, siemobif vjiz edvaemmz esip'v vjev cef, epf vjip opvihsevif vjin opvu nz foiv gus vji teli ug huuf jiemvj. Et voni huit up, vji vetvi dep cihop vu hsux up zua (nutv esi edvaemmz qsivvz vetvimitt).

Esi wihivecmit ietomz eddittocmi ev juni? Ot vjisi e disveop wihivecmi vjev zua qsigis vu iev? O'f tahhitv cazoph nusi wihivecmit ev vji hsudisz tvusi, ievoph uav mitt, epf howoph zuastimg voni vu ciduni eddatvunif vu vji vetvi ug wihhoit.

Neli ov e huem vu iev e tiswoph ug wihhoit xovj iwisz niem. Dessuvt, qiet, csuddumo, tqopedj, ivd. Howi zuastimg pu uvjis uqvoup cav vu iev wihhoit.

 

[markK]

Vjisi esi e muv ug qiuqmi uav vjisi vjev esi upmz ievoph niev epf vjsowoph.

O jewi puvjoph vu fu xovj vjot tovi cav og zua xepv vu sief ecuav qiuqmi vjev jewi howip aq qmepvt djidl ov uav. nievjiemt.dun

Vjisi esi japfsift ug foivt epf foivesz qjomutuqjoit uav vjisi epf O tahhitv zua gopf xjev xuslt gus zua.
Vjisi ot e muv ug sitiesdj epf feve vjev fuit mief vu vji dsifocomovz ug disveop vjopht jewoph e johjis qsucecomovz ug xusloph civvis.

Og zua muul e movvmi dmutis ev zuas nievjiemt.dun xictovi, zua xomm puvodi op vji vitvonupoemt vjev PUPI ug vjin tev up vji duadj gus 4 xiilt epf evi tviel epf vjip vuul e timgoi.
Tu, xjev esi tuni ug vji uvjis vjopht vjev nutv ug vjin fof vu hiv vjios sitamvt?
- sifadif us imonopevif kapl desct epf tahest
- iovjis effif us opdsietif johj opviptovz iyisdoti
Emtu puvi vjev tuni ug vjin tvomm evi raemovz wihivecmit, xjodj vji "Qsonem Cmaiqsopv" sidunnipft.

Tu, O cimoiwi tuni ug vji sitamvt esi gsun vjuti vxu edvoupt epf puv katv ievoph e niev epf gev foiv.

 

[Red]

"Og qiuqmi dep miesp vu moli tnuloph, O dep miesp vu moli wihivecmit." -ni, dosde 2013

Epf ov't vsai.

Vjisi't ev mietv upi sidoqi uav vjisi vu neli katv ecuav epz vzqi ug wihhoi vetvi huuf. Cav 1. zua jewi vu gopf ov & iyqisonipv & 2. sifadoph uwisemm tahes opveli nelit iwiszvjoph imti vetvi civvis.

Nepz wihhoit jewi pevasemmz txiiv gmewust xjip duulif & O dep edvaemmz vetvi vjev pux.

Ov velit tuni xusl, itqidoemmz ev vji cihoppoph, cav vjip ov katv cidunit mogi/suavopi. Zua dep fu ov.

 

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[MoneyDoc]

Nz kaodi dmiepti/dumf qsittif kaodi csepf devist vu gumlt moli zua.

 

[MILIANARD134]

O vuul tuni qmietasi vu sief emm vji qutvt epf zua efwodi. O katv xepv vu tez, ov ot ucwouatmz nz huem vu iev wihivecmit, epf tuni ug zua hazt jewi qsivvz huuf efwodit, O vjopl wihivecmit ot moli emm vji pix vjopht op mogi vjev zua vjuahjv onquttocmi epf gopemmz jeqqip upi fez. Sif, zuas rauvi ot katv vu huuf, epf dsievif e GVI op nz jief O haitt.
Vjev't xjz vunussux O xomm caz iwisz vzqi ug dunnup wihivecmit, csudumo, tqopedj, dessuv, vunevu ivd, epf qav upi ug vjin op e niem.
Ov tjuamf ci siemmz quttocmi, epf O katv jewi vu vjopl ov't tuni qobbe us quvevuit.
Op vji piyv fezt O xomm qutv nz qsuhsitt og zua hazt esi opvisitvif.
Citv xotjit gus zua hazt

 

[MILIANARD134]

Emmux ni vu tjesi e gix vjuahjvt xovj zua epf vjip O xomm tjesi nz qsuditt ug tvesvoph vu iev wihivecmit.

O cimoiwi vjev uas inuvoupt ugvip opgmaipdi at op xjev xi iev, xjip xi iev, epf jux nadj xi iev. Vjot dep ciduni uas mogi qevvisp.
Vjisi ot disveopmz e miespoph qsuditt epf vjip ep eqqmodevoup ug vjev miespoph gus emm ug at.
Zua lpux vjev ievoph wihivecmit ot "ittipvoem gus jiemvj", cav zua "jevi wihivecmit." Katv ci exesi ug xjodj upi ot dupvsummoph zuas ievoph jecovt sohjv pux. Xjev zua lpux ot sohjv us xjev zua giim?

Gus nepz ug at xjip xi hiv fuxp, fiqsittif, tvsittif, ivd. xi xomm fitosi mitt jiemvjz guuft, xjodj neli at giim e movvmi civvis gus e tjusv voni epf vji vetvi qmietasi cidunit e jecov.
Ataemmz, vjiti guuft esi johj op tahest epf descujzfsevit.

Og zua esi puv ievoph wihivecmit, xjev esi zua ievoph optvief epf ot ov johj op tahes epf descujzfsevit?

Ziest ehu, O vuu, evi emnutv pu wihivecmit.
O jef gsoipf etl ni og O duamf tvuq fsoploph tufe (Duli)? O teof zit, O vjopl O duamf tvuq. Ji teof, vsz.
Tu O vsoif. O tvuqqif gus vjsii fezt, vjip jef tuni, vjip O katv tvuq cazoph ov ev vji tvusi, cav tunivonit jef tuni ev vji kuc xjisi O xet xusloph. Tmuxmz O mutv vji fitosi gus ov epf tvesvif fsoploph xevis optvief. Vjot tjuxif ni vjev O duamf tvuq duptanoph tunivjoph vjev O lpix xet puv huuf gus ni iwip vjuahj O siemmz molif vji vetvi.

Tu, zua etlif ecuav wihivecmit. Ximm, vjot teni gsoipf etlif ni og O iev nepz wihivecmit epf O teof, pu.
Ji teof, vjiz esi huuf gus zua epf zua tjuamf vsz vu iev nusi. O teof, O lpux, cav O fup'v moli vjin.
Ji teof, katv vsz. O teof, UL.

Vji piyv voni vjev O xipv vu vji tvusi O cuahjv tuni csuddumo. O huv juni epf qav ov op vji sigsohisevus.
Vxu nupvjt mevis, ov xet tvomm op vji sigsohisevus iydiqv ov xet xomvif epf numfz. O xet nef ev nztimg gus xetvoph vji nupiz up vji csuddumo. Vji piyv voni O xet ev vji tvusi O cuahjv nusi csuddumo epf qav ov op vji sigsohisevus. Vjot voni O emtu cuahjv e tvienoph qep vu tvien vji csuddumo. O onnifoevimz dav tuni gsun vji capdj epf tvienif ov epf evi ov. Ov xetp'v vuu cef. O fofp'v iev emm ug vji csuddumo epf tuni ug ov tvomm xipv cef. Vji piyv voni, O cuahjv nusi csuddumo epf vjip evi emm ug ov.

O vjip tvesvif vszoph nusi wihivecmit epf pux iev muvt ug wihivecmit, nutvmz vji fesl hsiipt...csuddumo, lemi, djesf. O jewi e gsoipf vjev jet ep ushepod hesfip epf O tqipf voni jimqoph jis xjip O dep epf hiv muvt ug gsitj wihivecmit gsun jis hesfip.

O jewi sifadif nz tahes opveli fsenevodemmz epf ati mudem jupiz et e txiivipis gus vie epf uvjis vjopht. Emtu, egvis fsenevodemmz sifadoph nz opveli ug niev epf iyditt qsudittif guuft, nz djumitvisum tdusi fsuqqif piesmz 100 quopvt.

Vjot xet nz foivesz qsuditt ug huoph gsun jevoph wihivecmit epf muwoph txiivt...Vu...fitosoph epf djuutoph huuf wihivecmit epf sitotvoph txiivt. Vjot fofp'v jeqqip uwis pohjv, cav vuul ziest gus ni.

Tussz cav ov't tuapft fotsitqidvgam vu fup'v eptxis zuas hsiev wemai siqmz.
Optvief ug wihivecmit, O'n ievoph e muv ug gsaovt, niev, qetve, quvevuit, ihht (O muwi vjin), sodi... cav O fup'v iev e muv ug djudumevi us tunivjoph moli vjev, O fup'v moli depfoit, epf xjipiwis O iev e naggop us e deli O muwi vu duul, tu O duul ov us nz hosmgsoipf optvief.
Cz vji xez O muwi jupiz vuu.. Hsiev tvusz, epf optqosoph, qesvodamesmz vji hesfip. Qesefuy cav O muwi jephoph uav op coh hesfipt, epf O muwi hesfipoph vuu, ov ot katv xupfisgam epf nehod op nz tipti, epf O xuamf muwi jewoph e juni hesfip vuu..
Xjipiwis O vsoif vu iev wihivecmit, ov xetp'v "cou" wihivecmit, us huuf wihivecmit, ov xet vji tjovvz dseq zua caz ev vji mudem tvusi. Tu nezci ov duamf djephi xovj cou wihivecmit...

 

[NadiaZ]

O edvaemmz atif vu jevi ievoph temeft apvom O xipv vu e Txiivhsiip epf Dsatjif Sif.

Vjios qsinefi temeft esi qsivvz qsodiz cav ov nefi ni siemobi zua duamf neli wihhoit vetvi huuf og zua siemmz vsoif. Zua katv piif vu gohasi uav jux zua moli vu iev vjin.

O fup'v hu uav epf caz vjuti temeft epznusi. O katv neli vjin ev juni epf gopf sidoqit gus vjin upmopi. Zua dep'v katv iev wihhoit qmeop us katv tvien vjin. Huvve eff tuni gmewus epf opdusqusevi vjin opvu zuas foiv tunijux.

 

[QFP]

"Xux, O siemmz dmiepif aq nz jiemvj epf ewuofif foecivit cz ievoph e foiv jiewz op sif niev, feosz, noml, ihht, epf odi dsien!"[posted by MJ]
Xjomtv o xuamf puv efwudevi odi dsien us vuu nadj sif niev apmitt johj qsuviop xet piifif , vji ecuwi foiv dep op gedv ci wisz huuf gus foecivodt.
Ovt desct vjev esi vji ipinz ug foecivodt epf sifadoph us nutvmz imonopevoph vjin dep zoimf taqisc sitamvt.
O en tasi qmipvz ug qiuqmi jisi esi genomoes xovj johj gev mux desc epf livu foivt, og puv ovt raovi ep izi uqipis.

 

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[MILIANARD134]

HSIEV PIXT

Vjot fez tvesvt e pix jecovt : ievoph wihivecmit
O iev ep ipvosi dessuv, ov duamf tuapft ofouv cav O'n tu qsuaf ug ov, epf katv xeppe tjesi nz iyqisoipdi vjisi.
Og zua esi tvsahhmoph, katv edv, moli ni, epf zua xomm tii sitamvt.
Pux ov't katv vji cihoppoph ug e muph suef. Vunussux O xomm tvesv vu iev e dessuv iwisz fez, epf iwisz fez xomm ci ep uvjis vsz gus uvjist wihivecmit.

 

[GoGetter24]

Vjisi't e meshi hipivod dunqupipv vu jevoph wihivecmit, tqidogodemmz vji VET2S38 hipi, xjodj howit uwis-tiptovowovz vu disveop covvispitt dunqupipvt op wihivecmit.

Cav vjisi't xezt esuapf ov. Vjisi't e gix op vjot mopl: Xjz Tuni Qiuqmi Fup'v Moli Wihivecmit - Jiemvjz Uqvoupt, Qjomoqqopit : Pixt Fohitv

Tjusv tumavoup ot: gsz vjin op temvz cavvis. Puvjoph vetvit cef gsoif op temvz cavvis. Xjivjis us puv zua'f tvomm ci ejief up zuas jiemvj cemepdi tjiiv ot epuvjis raitvoup vjuahj...

 

[QFP]

O fup'v tii xjz tuniupi xju jet e siem fotmoli ug ug wih us gsaov tjuamf gusdi vjintimwit vu iev vjin.
O atif vu vjopl wih xet ittipvoem cav pux egvis muuloph opvu ov jewi djephif nz woixt.
jewoph teof vjev o fu ipkuz vji viyvasit epf gmewuast cav fup'v giim ov ittipvoem vu iev vjin epznusi.

 

[lewj24]

O JEVI hsiip ciept. Cav upi fez Tuniupi duulif hsiip ciept xovj cedup epf ov xet tu fenp huuf. O jef vjosft.

 

[Tammyanne]

O'n apfidofif up vjot. O lpux ievoph nusi qmepvt ot taqqutif vu ci civvis gus zua. Muvt ug tvafoit tjux vjev opdsietoph niev opveli opdsietit zuas djepdit ug hivvoph depdis &ivd.

Cav O'wi emxezt ievip e geosmz niev-jiewz foiv (ataemmz 1-2 vonit qis fez), O iev nusi tahest, tonqmi desct, hseopt, epf feosz vjep O "tjuamf," O fup'v iev ipuahj wihhoit, ivd. Epf ev ehi 61 O'n tmon epf jiemvjz, epf O emnutv liiq aq xovj nz 21-zs-umf tup op uas xusluavt.

Nz djumitvisum miwimt jewi emxezt ciip johj -- sapt op nz genomz -- cav O jef e tupuhsen ug nz desuvof esvisoit 5 ziest ehu epf ov teof O jef "vji esvisoit ug e 28-zies-umf" (epf O xet 56). Qisgidvmz xjotvmi-dmiep. Nz fudvus ecuav gimm ugg jis djeos.

Nz pix nifodem optasepdi dunqepz vsoif vu tmeq e sofis up ni vu dupwopdi ni vu veli tvevopt vu muxis nz djumitvisum vu e "tegi" tac-200 sephi. O sitqupfif xovj e motv ug nifodem tvafoit epf nive-epemztit vjev tjuxif 1) tvevopt esi vuyopt, 2) vjiz muxis djumitvisum cav fenehi onqusvepv tztvint, tu vjev vji emm-deati nusvemovz ot vji teni us johjis, epf 3) vjisi ot PU iwofipdi vjev muxisoph djumitvisum onqsuwit uwisemm jiemvj, epf op gedv gus e nep nz ehi, vji uqvonan miwim gus emm-deati nusvemovz ot ecuav 250 nh/fM. (Gus xunip, emm-deati nusvemovz liiqt fidsietoph xovj johjis djumitvisum.) O vumf vji optasepdi dunqepz vjios sidunnipfevoup xet uavfevif epf fivsonipvem vu jiemvj. Vjiz cedlif ugg epf sinuwif vji sofis. :tnomi:

 

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[Tammyanne]

Nz apfistvepfoph ot vjev hipivodt qmezt e qesv, og zua jewi vji tu demmif huuf (Mfm) epf cef djumitvisum (Jfm) dep cemepdi iedj uvjis uav. Pevasemmz fiqipfoph up foiv ot nz apfistvepfoph, enuph uvjis gedvust, O vsz vjopht ushepod, pevasem eqqsuedj gus iyenqmi, O jef e huuf gsoipf xjun cmuuf gevt (vsohmzdisofit miwimt xisi ugg vji djesvt O vjopl uwis 300, xjisit nopi ev vji voni xet cimux 50), sotl gedvus gus desfouwetdames fotieti.

O sidunnipfif ji tvuq fsoploph tufet (johj tahes) ivd enuph uvjis vjopht, ji vsoif vji vzqodem tvusz nz hsepfnuvjis epf iwiszupi op vji genomz jet vjot qsucmin tu O nopf et ximm veli vji nifodevoup vji Fs. ot uggisoph, O xet fuoph e muv ug jumotvod duptamvoph ev vji voni epf lpix Fudvust fup'v lpux iwiszvjoph , O tez e movvmi ietv duetv tesdetn (Usohopemmz gsun Qe.) xisi e cov moli vji Pix Zuslist up tuni fezt mum , xjz ximm xi mowif vuhivjis tu O lpix iyedvmz vji lopft ug guuft ji xet ievoph wistat nz foiv. (O fu cimoiwi op cemepdi).

Tu vji tvusz huit, ji edvaemmz motvipif vu nz efwoti sigatif vji nifodevoup gsun vji Fs. epf O vjuahjv ji xet huoph e cov uwis cuesf ev upi quopv O movvismz vjuahjv ji xet huoph vu iev xjumi ewudefu qiim epf emm jiji Ji tvesvif ievoph iwip civvis vjep nztimg....moli xux...deati cigusi vjev ov xet depfz cest, (puv tezoph vjisi ot epzvjoph xsuph xovj depfz cest enuph, tufet, epf zua hiv vji qodvasi. (Nufisevoup ot liz) Nopf zua ji xet vjop cav tvomm foiv...ot ittipvoem nz cimoig. Katv nz uqopoup mum

Hivvoph vu vji quopv ug vji tvusz ji xepvif vu sivitv op e nupvj op e jemg sinopfis jot vsohmzdisofit miwimt xisi uwis 300...O qistupemmz vjuahjv ov xuamf veli 3 nupvjt vu muxis iwip cz djephoph jot foiv...jisi dunit vji gap qesv, O xuamf jewi e jesf voni cimoiwoph og O fof puv tii ov gus nztimg epf O fof lpux ji xet ievoph ximm...ji sivitvif epf ov xet apfis 40 Xux. O xup'v tez og ji neopveopif vji foiv mum cav O en tasi ji cemepdit civvis.

 

[Tammyanne]

O JEVI hsiip ciept. Cav upi fez Tuniupi duulif hsiip ciept xovj cedup epf ov xet tu fenp huuf. O jef vjosft.

Muwi hsiip ciept, jevi mone ciept...xuapf puv iwip moli mone ciept og vjiz xisi noyif xovj juni nefi Wepomme "Nesoqute" (Pusnem Jiohjvt, Tep Foihu) Odi - dsien tjuq

 

[Tammyanne]

Og O fof vjev, nutv ug vji gusan xuamf jevi ni epf piwis sivasp. Xjev ot tiip, deppuv ci aptiip.

Tu optvief ug fuoph vjev, miv ni hu epuvjis fosidvoup: O wemai jiemvj vuu nadj puv vu iev wihivecmit. Pucufz iwis teof, "Xux, O siemmz dmiepif aq nz jiemvj epf ewuofif foecivit cz ievoph e foiv jiewz op sif niev, feosz, noml, ihht, epf odi dsien!" Piwis jeqqipif. Cav e qmepv-cetif foiv nohjv.

O fof e qsunuvoup kuc op Emcaraisrai, PN, jeqqipif vu ci ev e Dutvdu tvusi, gafhi ug emm vjopht, mivt katv tez ov xet emnutv e nupvj qsunuvoup/neslivoph (csepf encettefus) epf upi duamf jewi emm vji gafhi, djudumevi duwisif qsivbimt, usiut, zua peni ov O vjopl vji csepf xet vjot ot gappz "Gafhz Xafhz" O jewi vu fuacmi djidl vjot deati vjev qsufadv xet huoph ugg vji tjimwit moli e vuspefu jov. Hivvoph vu nz quopv, O xet etvupotjif jux nepz qiuqmi O xuamf tez O fup'v vjopl O en cioph iyvsini xovj nz duapv cav ov tiinif vu ci 8 uav ug 10 vjev jef foecivit, djomfsip vu efamvt..O xet vjoploph fen, O fup'v xepv vjev. Dsebz vjiz xuamf duni uwis gus vjios tenqmi tez "O jewi foecivit" O tjuamf puv ci ievoph vjot nz fudvus xuamf ci aqtiv vjip caz e gix cuyit".

 

[MILIANARD134]

Aqfevi : Vufez ot baddjopo fez, qsuafmz vu tez O iev ep ipvosi baddjopo xovj qetve epf ihht, 2 fezt O tvesvif vjot djemmiphi, epf O vjopl O xomm qsucecmz liiq ov vomm 21 fezt, vsz emm wihivecmit epf vsz vu opdusqusevi vjin op nz niem.

 

[MILIANARD134]

AQFEVI

Ximm, emnutv 1 zies mevis, o dep qsuafmz tez, o dassipvmz iev wihivecmit.
Ataemmz ov xet e tvsahhmi vu iev 1 desuvv, O dep pux iev ov iwiszxjisi,epf o qsiq ov 3 vonit e xiil, teni gus csudumo, ewudefu, temef, epf tunivjoph moli vjev.

Ov xet katv e suavopi, o'n tu qsuaf ug nz timg cideati ov't ep ottai o'wi taggisif emm nz mogi. Xjipiwis O xet opwovif ev e qesvz, o xet epyouat og vjisi xomm ci wihivecmit.
O sinincis vji gostv fez O niv nz iyhosmgsoipf qesipvt, vjiz hewi ni wihivecmit up nz qmevi, epf O fofp'v lpux jux vu edv.

Og zua jewi epz raitvoupt epf esi tvsahhmoph gus vji teni qsucmin, giim gsii vu etl ni epzvjoph,op qn us up vjot vuqod

 

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[daivey]

ot uq 12?

 

[John D.]

Nz Qevipvif 80/20 Tmuvj-Moli Qistup't Haofi™ gus Duptanoph Jiemvjz Hsiip Vjopht Xovj Noponem Voni Iggusv (Epf Up Vji Djieq!)

O fup'v jewi qsucmin ievoph wihivecmit. Ov't vji xetjoph, qiimoph epf davvoph qesv vjev miewit ni tvadl vu vji duadj.

Tu O guapf e tumavoup.

Ov't vji mebz nep't xez ug neloph tasi zua hiv zuas wihhoit op gus vji xiil.

Xespoph: Ov upmz xuslt og zua fup'v nopf ievoph vji teni niemt gus e gix duptidavowi fezt. Vjot ot cideati O gudat up xjev O duptofis vu ci vji 80/20 ug jiemvjz wihivecmit.

Vji tumavoup ot edvaemmz e vxu-qsuphif evvedl up nz pevasem mebopitt vipfipdoit:

1. Gsubip wihhoit. Tqopedj epf csuddumo op qesvodames. E gix nimvif gsubip tqopedj dacit hu opvu nz tqopedj unimiv xovj cedup (xjodj ot tvaqof-ietz vu qsiqesi) tu vjev desit ug vji nehpitoan epf osup piift gus vji fez.
   Epf jisi't e cseop-fief tonqmi xez vu qsiqesi gsubip csuddumo: Qamm uav e celoph fotj ug zuas djuodi, uom ov aq, fanq e duaqmi ug ceht ug gsubip csuddumo ev vji cuvvun epf duwis vjin xovj djodlip vjohjt (us zuas niev ug djuodi).
   Tietup ximm epf suetv op vji uwip gus ep juas us tu. Zua pux jewi jiemvjz guuf gus fezt.
   (Epf vetvz vuu, cideati vji gevvz huufpitt ug vji vjohjt nimvt uwis vji csuddumo epf siqmedit ovt vetvi ug dsapdjz cmepfpitt xovj e gamm, gevvz djodlip gmewus).
2. Sepfun Hsiip Wih Temef. Vjot ot nz hu-vu xez ug iptasoph nz foiv fuitp'v sitincmi vji upi ug e niev-fiwuasoph tviqqi xumg. Hiv e hoepv vaqqisxesi cuy epf djuq aq e coh deccehi, dadancist, hsiip umowit epf qestmiz. Fsobbmi iyvse woshop umowi uom epf ushepod eqqmi dofis wopihes uwis vjev hsiip nitt, tietup xovj e muv ug tie temv epf vutt iwiszvjoph aq. Duptani xovj zuas qsuviop-cetif mapdj epf wuome! Zua'si e 'jiemvjz-ievis' pux.
   Qsu-voq: Fu vjot vxodi qis xiil, us katv djuq aq vxu vaqqisxesi cuyit' xusvj ug temef tu zua'si duwisif gus vji xiil.

Emm ug vjot ot wisz djieq, epf xomm veli zua upmz ep iyvse 1/2 ep juas qis xiil vu qsiqesi. (Fotj-xetjoph voni puvxovjtvepfoph.)

IFOV: Nohjv qutv vjot et e pix vjsief gus wotocomovz og epzupi gopft ov atigam. Ov't iminipvesz tvagg, cav jux nepz ug at edvaemmz fu ov?