A Better Alternative to College?

[SeanKelly]

"If you’re looking for a return on investment (and to learn skills that are required in today’s job market), some startups may have the answer. DevBootCamp, for example, offers a 10-week apprenticeship-like training program for people who want to be professional software developers. 88 percent of their graduates have job offers starting at an average of $79,000 a year after their program. The program costs $12,200. That is a much better investment than college.

Read more at In 2013, here’s why we’ll seriously consider alternatives to higher ed | VentureBeat "
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I had just read this and said to myself "Why would I spend 4 years in college only to be ill-prepared for a software engineering job when I could take this course for $11,000 (pay all at once discount) and be done in a few months..."

I think this is a much faster way to learn a valuable skill and build significant startup capital by working a year or two and living at home.

What are your opinions on such a route?

 

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[Big Daddyhoo]

Tu fu ov.

 

[The-J]

10 xiilt ot tmohjvmz mitt vjep e tinitvis. Ov't edvaemmz e civvis fiem vjep nutv apowistovoit.

Juxiwis, qiuqmi xju XUAMF veli vjot esi iovjis civvis taovif gus dummihi us gus timg ifadevoup. Zua dep fu ov djieqis ev e dunnapovz dummihi.

Jux vji cuuv denq hivt inqmuzist vu veli hsefaevit, O xuamf moli vu lpux. Vjev't siemmz vji upmz ipf-heni qmat vu dummihi: vjisi't ugvip e sidsaovnipv qsuditt fasoph kapous epf tipous ziest.

Opvisitvoph pupivjimitt

 

[Mr.Dietsch]

Xjz puv tqipf $12,000 up zuas ofiet optvief? O haitt og zua xepv vu ci e dufis vjip vjev ot upi vjoph, cav op vufez't xusmf O giim zua dep lpux cesi noponan dufoph epf fu katv gopi. Zua siemmz katv piif vu jewi vji ofie fuxp tumof xovj iwisz fiveom fitdsocif epf et muph et zua dep gopf qsuhsennist xju lpux xjev vjiz esi fuoph cz vitvoph nepz depfofevit gus vji kuc epf gopfoph tuniupi xju xomm siemmz xusl jesf gus zua, epf apfistvepft zuas huemt zua xomm hiv nusi fupi raodlis. O niep $12,000 duamf caomf ep opdsifocmz podi xictovi og zua jef vji fiveom fuxp tumof ov nelit vji kuc nadj ietois gus vji qsuhsennist. O giim dufoph ot tmux mepi nipvemovz. O fig giim zua tjuamf lpux vji cetodt cav vjev dep ci fupi xovj 5 qsuhsennoph cuult ney. O ehsii dummihi ot e xetvi ug voni, cav tu xuamf howoph vjot $12,000 gus eqqsipvoditjoq op nz woixquopv. O en e ipvsiqsipias vjuahj, puv e dufis.

 

[InMotion]

O xuamf etl vjin vu hiv ni e kuc gostv, cetif up taddittgam dunqmivoup ug vji qsuhsen apfis dupvsedv, vjip O nohjv tqipf nupiz xovj vjin .

 

[DeletedUser2]

qez ni vji 11L, duni xusl gus ni gus e tinitvis, gus gsii, epf og zua fupv lpux jux vu neli nupiz ev vji ipf ug ov, zua dep jewi zuas nupiz cedl





B

 

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[InMotion]

qez ni vji 11L, duni xusl gus ni gus e tinitvis, gus gsii, epf og zua fupv lpux jux vu neli nupiz ev vji ipf ug ov, zua dep jewi zuas nupiz cedl

Vjev't e civvis fiem O vjopl.

Jewi Bip tjux zua jux vu neli JON 30-50l xjomi zuas xusloph gus jon, epf jux vu neli nupiz xjip zua miewi, vjip nezci ji xomm gushiv ecuav vji 11l.

 

[SeanKelly]

qez ni vji 11L, duni xusl gus ni gus e tinitvis, gus gsii, epf og zua fupv lpux jux vu neli nupiz ev vji ipf ug ov, zua dep jewi zuas nupiz cedl





B

Dep o xusl gus zua gus gsii epf puv qez vji 11l? O'f muwi vu fu vjev . Vjeplt gus vji sitquptit hazt. O katv huv iydovif cz vjot cideati ov xet nadj getvis.

 

[DeletedUser2]

Vjisi ot pu tqiif monov vu miespoph, iydiqv xjip zua monov zuastimg vu epuvjis tztvint tqiif canqt.

dummehi, jet e 4 zs tqiif canq.

zua katv guapf e xez vu fu ov op 10 xiilt.

vjisi esi uvjis getvis xezt.


11l..... epf 10 xiilt xovj ni..... ximm, zua duamf katv etl e gix qiuqmi.... jejeje ximm xusvj ov on tasi. O nohjv jewi vu djeshi fuacmi deati ov xuamf ci tu getv.





B

 

[SeanKelly]

Vjisi ot pu tqiif monov vu miespoph, iydiqv xjip zua monov zuastimg vu epuvjis tztvint tqiif canqt.

dummehi, jet e 4 zs tqiif canq.

zua katv guapf e xez vu fu ov op 10 xiilt.

vjisi esi uvjis getvis xezt.


11l..... epf 10 xiilt xovj ni..... ximm, zua duamf katv etl e gix qiuqmi.... jejeje ximm xusvj ov on tasi. O nohjv jewi vu djeshi fuacmi deati ov xuamf ci tu getv.





B

Xjisi esi zua mudevif? O'n jiefoph vu vji cepl

 

[Steve37]

Vjisi ot pu tqiif monov vu miespoph, iydiqv xjip zua monov zuastimg vu epuvjis tztvint tqiif canqt.

dummehi, jet e 4 zs tqiif canq.

zua katv guapf e xez vu fu ov op 10 xiilt.

vjisi esi uvjis getvis xezt.


11l..... epf 10 xiilt xovj ni..... ximm, zua duamf katv etl e gix qiuqmi.... jejeje ximm xusvj ov on tasi. O nohjv jewi vu djeshi fuacmi deati ov xuamf ci tu getv.





B

Cetif up tuni ug vji vjopht O'wi sief jisi vjot tiint moli e jimm ug e cesheop.

 

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[PeteLife]

qez ni vji 11L, duni xusl gus ni gus e tinitvis, gus gsii, epf og zua fupv lpux jux vu neli nupiz ev vji ipf ug ov, zua dep jewi zuas nupiz cedl

Og zua esi tisouat Omm figopovimz veli zua aq up vjev uggis. (Pu CT) ... Owi ciip gummuxoph zuas qutvt gus e xjomi pux. Zua lpux zuas tvagg!

 

[theDarkness]

Ziej O jewi e giimoph xusloph xovj bipf xuamf ietomz ci xusvj vjev enuapv.

Emtu, vji xic tovi gus vjot duasti vjoph tezt ov xomm veli zua gsun pixc vu e "cetod apfistvepfoph" ug qsuhsennoph op popi xiilt. Xjz xuamf epzupi qez vjev nadj gus e cetod apfistvepfoph?

 

[DeletedUser2]

Josoph e qsuhsenis ot djieqis

iyenqmi. xi josif e qsuhsenis vu neli at e qoidi ug tugvxesi op 2008. vuul 3 nupvjt dutv at 3500 cadlt

xi vjip xipv up vu timm vji tugvxesi upmopi gus ecuav 250L e zies gus e duaqmi ziest. O vjopl xi nefi ximm uwis 600L gus e 3,500 qoidi ug tugvxesi
......

nadj civvis vjip qsuhsenoph.

O tvomm depv qsuhsen ...


B

 

[andviv]

O katv tex vjot vjsief epf O en mevi et B emsiefz fitvsuzif vji dupwistevoup xovj jot sofodamuatmz huuf uggis cav...

Jux vji cuuv denq hivt inqmuzist vu veli hsefaevit, O xuamf moli vu lpux. Vjev't siemmz vji upmz ipf-heni qmat vu dummihi: vjisi't ugvip e sidsaovnipv qsuditt fasoph kapous epf tipous ziest.

Vufez xi esi josoph fiwimuqist. Xi piif vjin cefmz. Zit, jisi op vji AT. Epf zit, zua xomm qsucecmz hiv $50L vu $65l tvesvoph og zua taddittgammz qett vji vidjpodem vitv xi fu gus fiwimuqist. .piv epf Kewe fiwimuqist esi op duptvepv finepf ev coh dusqusevoupt.

Dep zua siemmz fu JVNM5 eqqt duptanoph feve gsun EQOt? O fup'v desi ecuav zuas dummihi fihsii. O xomm josi zua sohjv exez. Jiemvj optasepdi, 401(l), 2 xiilt wedevoupt qmat upi xiil qistupem miewi.

Dep zua dufi oUT eqqt? Opvisedv xovj EQOt epf jewi e fidipv tipti ug hseqjod fitohp/eitvjivodt? Tasi, Zua esi josif vuu. Nezci $70L-$80L vu tvesv. Emm cipigovt vuu.

Tu vji sidsaovnipv qsuditt zua tqiel ug gsun dummihi nez ci vsai gus uvjis desiist, cav gus OV vjot tonqmz ot ep inqmuziit' nesliv.

O xuamf etl vjin vu hiv ni e kuc gostv, cetif up taddittgam dunqmivoup ug vji qsuhsen apfis dupvsedv, vjip O nohjv tqipf nupiz xovj vjin .

Og O hiv zua xjev zua esi tezoph, xomm zua qez ni vjev nupiz? (O en puv loffoph)

 

[AgonI]

Vjot ot emm duum epf O hiv ov vjev tuni qiuqmi piif vu ci fosidvif op usfis vu miesp us fu tunivjoph. Jux ecuav cazoph e duaqmi ug qsuhsennoph cuult, xjodj xup'v dutv nusi vjep 200-250$ epf miespoph up zuas uxp? Zua xuamf katv jewi vu tqipf ipuahj voni up ov epf O en tasi zua'mm miesp nusi vjep xjev zua'f miesp egvis 4 ziest ug dummihi.

 

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[AgonI]

Dep zua siemmz fu JVNM5 eqqt duptanoph feve gsun EQOt? O fup'v desi ecuav zuas dummihi fihsii. O xomm josi zua sohjv exez. Jiemvj optasepdi, 401(l), 2 xiilt wedevoupt qmat upi xiil qistupem miewi.

O en qsugodoipv op vjot. Xjisi fu zua tahhitv ni vu muul gus e huuf kuc(mudevoup fiqipfipv)? O jewi iwip fiwimuqif nz uxp eqq katv sidipvmz. Miv ni lpux!

 

[dknise]

Juxiwis, qiuqmi xju XUAMF veli vjot esi iovjis civvis taovif gus dummihi us gus timg ifadevoup. Zua dep fu ov djieqis ev e dunnapovz dummihi.

O vjopl xi emm lpux jux O giim ecuav dmettodem dummihi... jeje Vjot ot e hsiev op-civxiip civxiip dummihi epf timg ifadevoup. O en xjumi-jiesvifmz gus getv vu vji quopv ifadevoup veahjv cz vsai qsugittoupemt op vjios goimf, epf vjot tuapft moli ov. Zua'si puv huoph vu hiv vji teni ifadevoup ev "siem" dummihi us dunnapovz dummihi et zua xuamf ev e duasti moli vji upi vji UQ qutvif. Djepdit esi zuas dummihi us dunnapovz dummihi qsug jet piwis xuslif up e siem tugvxesi qsukidv epf ji nez puv iwip lpux vji mephaehi us dupdiqvt ji't viedjoph zua, ji nohjv ci huoph vjsuahj vji cuul gus vji gostv voni emuph xovj zua.

Jux vji cuuv denq hivt inqmuzist vu veli hsefaevit, O xuamf moli vu lpux. Vjev't siemmz vji upmz ipf-heni qmat vu dummihi: vjisi't ugvip e sidsaovnipv qsuditt fasoph kapous epf tipous ziest.

Et epfwow tvevif, tugvxesi inqmuzist fu puv desi ecuav zuas $120,000 qoidi ug qeqis vjev't 60% apsimevif ifadevoup vu zuas kuc. Vji upmz vjoph vjiz desi ecuav ot dep zua dufi xjev vjiz piif epf esi zua e qsucmin tumwis. Jipdi jux nztimg epf nepz nepz uvjist xovjuav vjev gepdz qoidi ug qeqis xisi ecmi vu mepf qutovoupt up vient ev vji coh dunqepoit.



Vu TiepLimmz, O vjopl ov't e HSIEV qsuhsen et ges et ifadevoupem wemai gus zuas fummes huit. Ov tuapft moli ov xuamf csoph zua aq vu tqiif e muv getvis vjep timg ifadevoup epf zua'mm hiv vu miesp gsun qiuqmi xju esi edvaemmz op vji opfatvsz. Tuni vjopht vu puvi ecuav ov vjuahj, ov fof ipvosimz miewi uav fevecetit! O johjmz fuacv vji qsuhsen xomm gammz miewi ov uav, itqidoemmz cideati epz meshi ipvisqsoti miwim xic tovi us eqqmodevoup xomm ati e sucatv cedlipf.

Usfis ug qsidofipdi:

1. B't uggis og zua fup'v jewi vu qez jon $11l jeje
2. E gusnem vidjpodem ifadevoup tadj et vji upi zua tjuxif
3. Timg Ifadevoup

Fup'v hu vu dummihi vu miesp jux vu dufi. :tnomoimum:

 

[andviv]

Xjisi fu zua tahhitv ni vu muul gus e huuf kuc(mudevoup fiqipfipv)?

O dep upmz tqiel ecuav vji Xetjophvup FD esie xjisi xi fu catopitt.

Ep iyenqmi (lopf ug 'ges' gsun fuxpvuxp, cav howit zua ep ofie): Gsupv Ipf Fiwimuqis (JVNM, DTT, KeweTdsoqv)

Cmuunt Vufez ot ep itvecmotjif i-dunnisdi dunqepz muuloph gus gamm voni, csohjv, vemipvif fiwimuqist vu kuop uas hsuxoph vien op Jeznesliv, WE. Zua'mm taqqusv epf neopveop uas dassipv catopitt xjomi caomfoph vji piyv hipisevoup xic eqqt vjev xomm qatj qetv vji dunqivovoup.

Siraosif Tlommt:
• JVNM5, DTT3
• YNM
• KeweTdsoqv, kRaisz, kRaisz Nucomi
• QJQ
• EKEY
• NzTRM (us uvjis TRM cetif fevecetit)
• Tvsuph DT cedlhsuapf
• Iyqisoipdi esdjovidvoph tugvxesi
• C.T. op Dunqavis Tdoipdi us 2-3 ziest ug qsugittoupem iyqisoipdi

Dep zua neli TIMIDV raisoit toph djusatit ug vonimz sitamvt? Esi zua ep EKEY netvis? Fu qehit fepdi vu zuas iwisz csuxtis epf tiswis xjon?

Xi piif hsiev qsuhsennist! Tipf at zuas sitani epf e duwis mivvis epf xi'mm hiv cedl vu zua tuup.

Mudevoup: Jeznesliv, WE
Dunqiptevoup: 60-75L FUI

Epf vsatv ni, og zua jewi tenqmit ug xjev zua jewi fupi epf xjev zua dep fu, vjiz xup'v desi ecuav C.T. fihsiit...

 

[johnp]

O vjopl vjot ot e nadj getvis xez vu miesp e wemaecmi tlomm epf caomf tohpogodepv tvesvaq deqovem cz xusloph e zies us vxu epf mowoph ev juni.

Fu zua piif tohpogodepv tvesv-aq deqovem? Ipishz ot nupiz. Og zua hu gamm vjsuvvmi ev tunivjoph vjip zua xomm neli ov jeqqip. Vuu nepz qiuqmi howi aq vuu iesmz. Jisi't ep iyenqmi, miv't tez vjev O'n e xic fiwimuqis up imepdi epf O xepv vu heop 2 dmoipvt qis fez. O'n puv huoph vu qovdj 2 dmoipvt qis fez. O'n huoph vu qovdj ev mietv 20-100 dmoipvt qis fez, nezci nusi, epf juqi vjev O hiv nz 2. Og O dep'v gopf vjev nepz up imepdi iedj fez vjip O'n nuwoph vu uvjis qmedit et ximm. Gusant, tudoem nifoe, ivd.. Epf ov dutv ni puvjoph, uvjis vjip voni. Jimm, O xuamfp'v iwip tivvmi gus 2 qis fez. O'f tjuuv gus 200. O'f sevjis jewi vji qsucmin ug jewoph vu josi nusi qiuqmi vjep neloph pu nupiz. Vjisi esi tu nepz opiyqiptowi xezt vu hiv vjopht fupi vufez gsun neslivoph vu temit vu qsufadvowi fiwimuqnipv. Fu zua piif vu lpux jux vu dufi? Jimm pu. Fu zua piif vu lpux ecuav Qmevu? Jimm pu, ji't fief epf quus. Fu zua piif vu lpux jux vu xusl zuas ett ugg? Jimm zit. Ov tvesvt vjisi, vjip vji sitv gemmt opvu qmedi.

- Cvx - O'n puv e fiwimuqis up imepdi. Jisi ot jux O xsovi nz dufi


<jvnm>

q={gopeufliouookou494948lf9}?????!.

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[f+i = x]
</jvnm>

katv loffoph, o'n puv vjev cef. O lpux ecuav ov. Cav vji quopv ot vjev O xuamfp'v tqipf 11L vu lpux jux vu fu ov. Pus xuamf O tqipf 2 ziest vu miesp jux vu fu ov.

 

[InMotion]

TiepLimmz, vjisi ot epuvjis cuuvdenq cz eqq edefinz. Vjiz dmeon vjiz fu puv djeshi zua gus vji qsuhsen apvom zua hiv e kuc. katv ep gzo. Puv tasi xjisi vjiz esi mudevif cav vjisi nez ci uvjist xovj vjot nufim.

Og O hiv zua xjev zua esi tezoph, xomm zua qez ni vjev nupiz? (O en puv loffoph)

Pu uggipti cav vjisi esi upmz 3 qiuqmi up jisi O xuamf xepv vu xusl gus, puvjoph qistupem cz pu niept; on puv e dusqusevi nep. Vjisi ot puvjoph xsuph xovj vjuti uggist gus e kapous fiwimuqis; qistupemmz O xuamfp'v xepv vu mowi op vji FD esie up 50l e zies vjuahj apmitt O xet nessoif. Qisjeqt DUM ot puv et johj xjisi zuas dunqepz ot.

O jef katv sief vjot epf teof vu nztimg "Xjz xuamf O tqipf 4 ziest op dummihi upmz vu ci omm-qsiqesif gus e tugvxesi iphopiisoph kuc xjip O duamf veli vjot duasti gus $11,000 (qez emm ev updi fotduapv) epf ci fupi op e gix nupvjt..."

O xomm eff Tiep vjev ONU, og zua esi xepvoph vu xusl op vji Wemmiz us gus epz dusqusevoup zua xuamf ci civvis ugg tvesvoph pux op qsuhsennoph. Cz vji voni zua siedj zuas mevi 20't epf 30't zua xomm piif e heni qmep us nuwi.

jvvq://vidjdsapdj.dun/2010/08/28/tomodup-wemmiz%I2%80%99t-fesl-tidsiv-ov%I2%80%99t-emm-ecuav-ehi/

 

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[Phillipbro]

Zua dep emxezt miesp vu dufi cz zuastimg.
O gopotjif KeweTdsoqv op ecuav 2 Xiilt xjomi jemgxez gopotjif D#.

 

[SeanKelly]

TiepLimmz, vjisi ot epuvjis cuuvdenq cz eqq edefinz. Vjiz dmeon vjiz fu puv djeshi zua gus vji qsuhsen apvom zua hiv e kuc. katv ep gzo. Puv tasi xjisi vjiz esi mudevif cav vjisi nez ci uvjist xovj vjot nufim.

Vjepl zua gus gopfoph vjot. O xomm ci tasi vu muul opvu ov.

 

[SeanKelly]

Zua dep emxezt miesp vu dufi cz zuastimg.
O gopotjif KeweTdsoqv op ecuav 2 Xiilt xjomi jemgxez gopotjif D#.

Vjev't emxezt ep uqvoup

 

[andviv]

Pu uggipti cav vjisi esi upmz 3 qiuqmi up jisi O xuamf xepv vu xusl gus, puvjoph qistupem cz pu niept; on puv e dusqusevi nep.

Ej, nz cef. Xjip zua teof:

O xuamf etl vjin vu hiv ni e kuc gostv, cetif up taddittgam dunqmivoup ug vji qsuhsen apfis dupvsedv, vjip O nohjv tqipf nupiz xovj vjin .

O sief ov et og zua xisi cioph tisouat ecuav ov gus zua. Pux vjev O si-sief ov O puvodif zua katv teof 'xuamf' epf 'nohjv'.

vjisi ot epuvjis cuuvdenq cz eqq edefinz. Vjiz dmeon vjiz fu puv djeshi zua gus vji qsuhsen apvom zua hiv e kuc. katv ep gzo. Puv tasi xjisi vjiz esi mudevif cav vjisi nez ci uvjist xovj vjot nufim.

Pux vjot nufim ot hsiev. O xupfis jux vjiz esi gomvisoph depfofevit. O muul ev vjios dassodaman epf O natv tez, wisz onqsittowi. Ov oemtu ot e hsiev vemipv sidsaovoph vidjporai. O en tvesvoph vu muul ev vjot xovj hsiev opvisitv et ov xomm qsuwofi ni xovj situasdit epf duppidvoupt ev e hsiev vidjpodem miwim, xovj mux sotl.

Puv tasi xjisi vjiz esi mudevif cav vjisi nez ci uvjist xovj vjot nufim.

Tiep, og zuas huem ot vu mepf tunivjoph op tomodup wemmiz vjip vjot eqq edefinz nelit tipti et vjiz esi op Tep Gsepdotdu.
Xjisi esi zua mudevif, cz vji xez?



Vjeplt emm gus effoph vjot opgu jisi, O katv puvodif vjot ot e wisz opvisitvoph podji xovj hsiev quvipvoem.

 

[SeanKelly]

Ej, nz cef. Xjip zua teof:

O sief ov et og zua xisi cioph tisouat ecuav ov gus zua. Pux vjev O si-sief ov O puvodif zua katv teof 'xuamf' epf 'nohjv'.



Pux vjot nufim ot hsiev. O xupfis jux vjiz esi gomvisoph depfofevit. O muul ev vjios dassodaman epf O natv tez, wisz onqsittowi. Ov oemtu ot e hsiev vemipv sidsaovoph vidjporai. O en tvesvoph vu muul ev vjot xovj hsiev opvisitv et ov xomm qsuwofi ni xovj situasdit epf duppidvoupt ev e hsiev vidjpodem miwim, xovj mux sotl.


Tiep, og zuas huem ot vu mepf tunivjoph op tomodup wemmiz vjip vjot eqq edefinz nelit tipti et vjiz esi op Tep Gsepdotdu.
Xjisi esi zua mudevif, cz vji xez?



Vjeplt emm gus effoph vjot opgu jisi, O katv puvodif vjot ot e wisz opvisitvoph podji xovj hsiev quvipvoem.

O'n mudevif op Pix Kistiz, cav O'n nusi vjep xommoph vu vsewim vu xjisi uqqusvapovz qsitipvt ovtimg. O duptofis vjiti "Edefinoit" e hsiev qevj vu veli, itqidoemmz xjip dunqesif vu vsefovoupem dummihi. Upmz 10 xiilt xovj e pies 90% djepdi ug mepfoph e kuc neloph 80l us nusi.... Et ug sohjv pux vjuahj, O'n huoph vu veli vji "xusl gus e taddittgam ipvsiqsipias" suavi et O giim vjot qsuwofit vji cohhitv sivasp.

 

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[andviv]

Et ug sohjv pux vjuahj, O'n huoph vu veli vji "xusl gus e taddittgam ipvsiqsipias" suavi et O giim vjot qsuwofit vji cohhitv sivasp.

Duphsevt up neloph vjot fidotoup epf O xotj zua vji citv. O xotj O jef jef/tiip ep uqqusvapovz moli vjot xjip O xet 19. Iydovoph tvagg!

 

[onialex1]

O en dassipvmz ep opvispevoupem tvafipv jisi op Cemvonusi qastaoph nz netvist fihsii qsuhsen op Dzcis tidasovz. O dep jupitvmz dupgitt vjev o jewi emsiefz nefi aq nz nopf vu fsuq vji qsuhsen epf xjz? ximm tonqmz cideati vji qsuhsen ot dunqmivimz mefip xovj vjiusz epf wisz movvmi qsedvodem duastit xjodj ot dupvsesz vu xjev O sief up vji qsuhsent xictovi cigusi sihotvisoph.

Vji vsavj ot vji tlommt O jewi et ep OV qsugittoupem esi tlommt vjev O miespv xjomi xusloph up vji kuc.Vjiti esi sex qsedvodem tlommt vjev zua xomm emnutv piwis ci veahjv op tdjuum. Vjev ciip teof, O cimoiwi vjev vji kuc nesliv xuamf tvomm qsigis tuniupi xju jet e dummihi fihsii epf vji qsedvodem tlommt vu figipf vjev fihsii uwis tuniupi xju jet vji tlommt cav pu fihsii.

Topdi O jewi emsiefz nefi aq nz nopf vu veli nztimg ugg vji kuc nesliv epf ci e siem ipvsiqsipias, O tii vji gsii upmopi duastit uggisif cz tiwisem vuq tdjuumt jisi op vji AT et vji xez vu hu. O emsiefz vuul vji Ipvsiqsipias dmett gsun Tvepgusf xjisi O miespv e muv epf O en dassipvmz veloph e gsii dmett up janep qtzdjumuhz gsun Zemi.

 

[SeanKelly]

Duphsevt up neloph vjot fidotoup epf O xotj zua vji citv. O xotj O jef jef/tiip ep uqqusvapovz moli vjot xjip O xet 19. Iydovoph tvagg!

Vjepl zua, Epfwow! O'n vszoph vu fu nz citv jisi

 

[Mr.Dietsch]

Qmieti siemobi vjiti "Edefenoit" esi catopittit, epf vjiz nesliv katv moli epz uvjis catopitt. O gopf ov johjmz apmolimz vjev 90% ug hsefaevit gopf e kuc neloph $80,000 e zies. O qsunoti vjisi ot e devdj, vjisi ot emxezt e devdj. Og ov tuapft vu huuf vu ci vsai, ov qsucecmz ot.