The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[loop101]

Trump to address nation at 9pm EST

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[Burton]

Well, Poland now has the fear.

Within 24 hours the mood has changed. I did my first toastmasters event tonight and all of them were spooked good. Looks like schools, cinemas, etc are all closed/closing too.

Looking at the Italy numbers it jumped from around 20 to 10k in 18days. Poland is around 20 now also.

I already stocked up but I will be probably doing another soon and if possible a third. I am actually feeling really good and positive overall but there is very little downside to being fully supplied.

Sounds funny but I actually already got a magnesium fire kit, wind up light, purified water bottle, full first aid kit, and several survival books. I am focused on the business and feeling positive but I am prepared for anything ha!

One interesting dynamic is this - I am living here in Poland with very little (like no) Polish. I am dating a Russian girl who just moved to the city. If things do lockdown it's going to be interesting ha. I got to think 100% self-reliance.

While I 100% think that preparation is important (go stock!) I think it is important to remember that previous generations have been through much worse and this level of uncertainty is how most humans have lived forever. Mindset will be a big factor so make sure you are mentally "stocked up" too.

In Poland, it's a bit strange because there is a lack of resources like masks, uniforms and other stuff in hospitals. Because of that doctors and nurses of many of them keep telling that they can work for only 3 days from now and they will stop if the government doesn't provide these basic and most important things.

I know a guy who is head of one of the hospitals in Cracow, I contacted him and he told me that even if I or someone who lives with me got infected by CV there will be no need to go to the hospital if symptoms aren't too bad. You just need to take care of your temperature and oxygen saturation. Hospitals will be overloaded soon, keep in mind that Poland does much fewer tests daily compared to Germany or Italy for example. In addition, there are about 1000 doctors in Poland that specialize in infectious diseases so, in my opinion, it will be quite hard to handle a high volume of infected patients.

To sum up, take your girl to your place and better stay there for a while.

 

[lowtek]

Update on our personal situation:

The Intel employee who tested positive here in Chandler was not my wife's 2nd level manager. All 1st and 2nd order contacts of the infected person have been notified and are being tested. I remain suspicious of his illness, as testing really isn't being done, but whatever.

Astoundingly, her boss is stating that he'll be coming in to work anyway. He believes the risk to be low.

I'm not sure if I'm being hysterical, but I presume that if there's 1 there's way way more. She's already potentially been exposed to tuberculosis (test results next Tuesday) and the idea that she can be exposed to a totally illness is in the name of a soulless corporation is a bit much to bear.

I'm urging her to push back, hard, and flat refuse to show up. This week demonstrates she can accomplish her job from home, so there is no reason to risk showing up to infect or be infected by others. We'll see how that goes.

 

[Bearcorp]

Here in South Australia companies have already started telling staff to stay home, a guy at my gym this morning got the email while training, he inspects properties so his company are happy for him to mix with random people just not fellow employees, didn’t make a lot of sense to us.
We have 6 confirmed cases at the moment, 110 in all of Australia. I’m not sure how much testing is going on.
From a personal point of view, we got our scheduled delivery of toilet paper yesterday so I’m stocked up there, my girlfriend’s family own a lot of farm land up north so if things get out of control she can take the kids up there, big rain water tanks, plenty of meat and veg on site. My parents, despite not being in fantastic health also live in a fairly remote area and I spoke with Dad about it yesterday so they are as up to speed as they can be at this point. I wouldn’t mind stocking up on beers and going camping with them for a few weeks if it’s necessary!

Just on that, Dad has a tendency to dismiss topics as “Facebook rubbish” he doesn’t use the internet, a few years ago a bushfire wiped out thousands of acres where he lives, I rang him while he was working and said it was going on and to not go home (mum was at my sisters and safe) he didn’t believe me, and drove right into it ‍ He ended up on the front line with the fire fighters, wind changed direction and most of the town was saved, he would of been engulfed if it didn’t. So I’m glad he’s at least taking this seriously!

 

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[GIlman]

Not sure if anyone else picked it up today. But the CDC today admitted that they have been doing postmortem testing on some people who officially died of the flu, and have discovered they had CV. This means this has been circulating deeper and longer than anyone knew before and the US death toll is higher than the official number, how much higher no one has said.

 

[G-Man]

Not sure if anyone else picked it up today. But the CDC today admitted that they have been doing postmortem testing on some people who officially died of the flu, and have discovered they had CV. This means this has been circulating deeper and longer than anyone knew before and the US death toll is higher than the official number, how much higher no one has said.

I can't decide if that's slightly positive or effed up. I guess depends on how long they figure it's been circulating right? If it's been circulating 6 mos, and we haven't seen the zombie apocalypse yet, it could be that this thing may only be XX% worse than normal flu, as opposed to XXXXXXXXX% worse, right?

On the other hand, if the answer is that it's been circulating 2-6 weeks longer, it means we all find out on Friday that we're toast. You tell me, doc.

In other news: When asked by reporters if he was taking precautions for himself about the virus, President Trump said "I feel great", and there's a lot of concern on the other side about the "racism" of avoiding Chinese restaurants, and people who recently came from other countries.

I don't fully understand all the science and mathematical modelling, but this event seems to have confirmed, with a 0% margin of error, that our country is run by morons.

 

[kgf]

the emergency unit collects data from every hospital in the country (That is Italy)
it is in Italian, but there is an English version as well Home
basically we have 12,462 infected o/w 1,045 recovered, 827 dead, 10,590 still infected.

the scariest data is the yellow exponential curve at the top right corner. We are in the exponential phase of the contagion and that happened in just 17 days! See from the 24 of Feb to today.

my take: the earlier the authorities lock down the infected areas, the sooner the emergency might end.

hope that it helps

ps: right now, new emergency regulation has been passed by the government. people must stay at home.

 

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[Rivoli]

@Rivoli since you have been using Dr Fauci as proof that this was a nothing burger, I present you with his about face.

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I wasn’t going to even respond to you, and won’t continue if you just want to troll the subject further, but I will assume you were just naive and not simply being a jerk.

Dr Fauci was in a tough spot, towing part political and part medical line. Things he was saying made no sense to me, but it’s hard to call out an “expert” that people want to put their trust in.

If you read my posts going back weeks you will see that I (and many other HCP) have been directly contradicting him and most other public facing Dr’s.

I actually think it’s a tragedy that they were not upfront and honest about this. There has been a terrible political undertone to all this. Granted, I’m sure many were hoping for a miracle to bail their asses out when all the data pointed to them just deceiving the public.

Do I think them being less than upfront will change the outcome of this? No, but it will erode the public’s trust in anything they say in the future, which is unfortunate.

Probably in reality they knew things would get worse, but just wanted to kick the can down the road and deal with it later and claim that some new information has changed to outlook now.

I do want to reiterate that no one knows the absolute mortality rate from this. Certainly an order of magnitude higher than the flu. Hopefully when all is said and done it will be on the lower not higher end Of that range.

Honestly after watching his whole meeting with congress, I’ve swung fully from “nothingburger” to “we need to get on war footing”.

He didn’t completely shoot down the virus going away in summer though.

 

[GIlman]

Something very strange is going on in Italy. Either there is a more deadly strain most prevalent in Italy, or there is some genetic predisposition in Italians that makes the disease much more severe among their people. I’m basing this off comparing SK and Italy.

SK has been very religious about their data collection and their numbers are some of the more trustworthy we have.

Also look at the diamond princess, assuming the numbers are accurate, which is hard to know how closely they are following all these people, the experience in Italy is an order of magnitude worse than expected.

The other possibility is the size of the infected Italian population is 10x+ what is known.

I don’t point this out to minimize the risk here, it’s still significant and worrisome, just pointing out Italy appears to be a significant outlier. So wondering why.

 

[Rivoli]

Trump to address nation at 9pm EST

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If I were Trump, the only thing I’d focus on right now is getting surveillance testing on a huge scale within the next 7-10 days.

I’d use the military or something to set up massive federally ran drive through testing for anyone who has a dr’s note or actively shows symptoms. End the volatility and just give it to me straight doc.

 

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[Rivoli]

Something very strange is going on in Italy. Either there is a more deadly strain most prevalent in Italy, or there is some genetic predisposition in Italians that makes the disease much more severe among their people. I’m basing this off comparing SK and Italy.

SK has been very religious about their data collection and their numbers are some of the more trustworthy we have.

Also look at the diamond princess, assuming the numbers are accurate, which is hard to know how closely they are following all these people, the experience in Italy is an order of magnitude worse than expected.

The other possibility is the size of the infected population is 10x+ what is known.

I don’t point this out to minimize the risk here, it’s still significant and worrisome, just pointing out Italy appears to be a significant outlier. So wondering why.

Gilman, its just the aging population. The virus has like 16% death rate if you’re over 80. The average age in Italy is way higher than in SK, its in the late 40’s. The average age of death in Italy is still 81. Italy has one of the oldest populations in the world

 

[TheCj]

From my understanding, it seems the economic impact will effect more people in there regions faster than the health aspect. People being out of work asap and running out of money in weeks.

From the way I've heard the virus explained its only a matter of time for most regions to go from containment protocol to community lock down like we are seeing already.

If a vaccine was created today, it wouldn't be out till next March 2021??

That means we will be facing a year of hurt as the economy gets disrupted?

Won't this coming winter at the end of 2020 be even worse? No one seems to want to talk about that.

It does feel like the Pandemic alert was done to signal financial triggers more so than the actual health aspect. At this point, I figure most people have already come into contact with someone who has come into contact etc.. Best thing to do is make sure get proper rest, and eating nutritious food.

 

[lowtek]

Something very strange is going on in Italy. Either there is a more deadly strain most prevalent in Italy, or there is some genetic predisposition in Italians that makes the disease much more severe among their people. I’m basing this off comparing SK and Italy.

SK has been very religious about their data collection and their numbers are some of the more trustworthy we have.

Also look at the diamond princess, assuming the numbers are accurate, which is hard to know how closely they are following all these people, the experience in Italy is an order of magnitude worse than expected.

The other possibility is the size of the infected population is 10x+ what is known.

I don’t point this out to minimize the risk here, it’s still significant and worrisome, just pointing out Italy appears to be a significant outlier. So wondering why.

My explanation for the discrepancy:

The Disaster Princess happened very early on, and while the infection spread like wildfire the infected were able to receive personalized care. This means all but the most at risk survived.

The Italians, like everybody else in the West, waited until the ember had turned into a raging inferno. Those that are seeking care now are being treated on the basis of their expectation to survive the infection. This will dramatically increase the CFR in the coming weeks.

Also, the lack of testing probably skews the data to some extent, but as you've stated numerous times we're not going to know until years from now, when we can get broad random sampling of the population, the full extent of the spread of the pandemic. How much of a factor this is, we'll have to wait and see.

Though it's not politically correct for me to say, you cannot simply swap Koreans and Italians. The two groups have different demographics, different cultures, different diets, and different genetics. I suspect you are correct in that there is some genetic difference that makes it worse for Italians, and probably others of European descent as well.

All I'm seeing on Facebook is people decrying the "hysteria". I can't get through to anybody. The irony is that those same people whining about hysteria now are going to be hysterical in the coming weeks and months as this unfolds.

 

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[biggeemac]

My explanation for the discrepancy:

The Disaster Princess happened very early on, and while the infection spread like wildfire the infected were able to receive personalized care. This means all but the most at risk survived.

The Italians, like everybody else in the West, waited until the ember had turned into a raging inferno. Those that are seeking care now are being treated on the basis of their expectation to survive the infection. This will dramatically increase the CFR in the coming weeks.

Also, the lack of testing probably skews the data to some extent, but as you've stated numerous times we're not going to know until years from now, when we can get broad random sampling of the population, the full extent of the spread of the pandemic. How much of a factor this is, we'll have to wait and see.

Though it's not politically correct for me to say, you cannot simply swap Koreans and Italians. The two groups have different demographics, different cultures, different diets, and different genetics. I suspect you are correct in that there is some genetic difference that makes it worse for Italians, and probably others of European descent as well.

All I'm seeing on Facebook is people decrying the "hysteria". I can't get through to anybody. The irony is that those same people whining about hysteria now are going to be hysterical in the coming weeks and months as this unfolds.

Same here.....my concerns are falling on deaf ears. With the exception of my two oldest kids. They know good and well that dad doesn't declare a "red alert" unless there is something to it. But they are mostly broke, so not a whole lot they can do except come over and eat dinner......outside of course

 

[VentureVoyager]

Let me leave some quotes from Abdu Sharkawy, MD, here (source: his FB page. These posts were shared over 1.7 mln times since):

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of C0VlD-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of C0VlD-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
C0VlD-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

Being prepared does not mean you have to be scared. Being concerned doesn't mean you have to panic. And being both scared and panicked doesn't mean you can't seek an avenue to cope with the uncertainty that C0VlD-19 is undoubtedly causing.
This is NOT a contest between the complacent and the reactionary nor between those who "care" and those who are (allegedly) indifferent to the suffering this virus has delivered and will continue to in weeks and months ahead.
How about we focus on deciding how to support each other even if we disagree about the best way to get through this ride...one of unpredictable turns and unforgiving surprises?
In coming weeks there will be countless public meetings and events that will be postponed or outright canceled owing to concerns regarding the potential for a germinating seed of C0VlD-19 to spread to unsuspecting masses. Some of these decisions will be rational and thoughtfully arrived at. Others may seem unnecessarily formed. I am of the opinion that in the interest of the public trust and sense of security, a more cautious approach may be the better route...at least until we see what lies ahead more clearly. I won't predict when that will be, nor can anyone.
Here's what I DO know. Watching the news hourly and cringing at the numbers of cases that continue to mount won't help. Hoarding anything and everything from Costco and Home Depot won't help. Blaming others of a certain race, ethnicity, state of wealth or poverty won't help. Blaming government? Still....won't help. When did this cease to become just a pandemic and instead evolved to "panic-demic"??
Here's what will help.
How about making a commitment to understand that 95% of all respiratory viruses cannot be transmitted if your hands are clean?
How about sanitizing that iPhone or S10 that is likely teeming with more viruses and bacteria than your toilet bowl?
How about being kind to others in your family, your schools and work environments and trying to support one another and encourage these healthy practices rather than recoiling in isolation from one another?
This virus IS SERIOUS. Make no mistake about it. We will have difficult decisions ahead in terms of how we navigate living our lives rather than fearing our fate. But we CAN do this. The decline in rate of spread in the most devastated core of this crisis, Wuhan itself, has already been witnessed. Those who say it matters not choose nihilism. I choose pragmatism. I choose optimism. I choose altruism.
Keep breathing everyone. Instead of falling apart, let's come together. Even if it's not in a crowded room, we can bond in our collective fight.
I wish you all peace, patience and strength. We can't do it alone. And we won't.
#cleanhands #openminds #openhearts

 

[loop101]

In Italy:

Average corona virus death = 81 years old
Average life-expectancy = 82.8 years old

I expected those numbers to be further apart.

 

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[Rivoli]

In Italy:

Average corona virus death = 81 years old
Average life-expectancy = 82.8 years old

I expected those numbers to be further apart.

This is what I’ve been saying this whole thread and getting hammered on. When I pointed that out I was called a “sociopath”

 

[GIlman]

If I were Trump, the only thing I’d focus on right now is getting surveillance testing on a huge scale within the next 7-10 days.

I’d use the military or something to set up massive federally ran drive through testing for anyone who has a dr’s note or actively shows symptoms. End the volatility and just give it to me straight doc.

Ok, here is my own personal wild speculation....this is what at my core I feel Is gonna happen, could be totally wrong, but it’s my gut, so I’ll just share it.

This is obviously very wild speculation on my part which is totally different from my other posts where I have simply been trying to make sense of things that are known.

My bet is tonight (or in the very near future) that trump closes all boarders to the US and halts all or nearly all international flights.

Sometime in the not to distant future travel between states will be severely limited, and in all likelihood at some point either tonight or within the coming weeks all planes will be grounded.

We will see mass quarantines, that begin initially as recommendations, escalating to full scale military style quarantines.

I expect the hit to businesses will be massive from disruption of incoming supply chain, followed by lost wages, inability to buy, and restricted movement.

I feel there is significant probability that this is going to force us into a severe financial depression that lasts years. I expect this will be made even worse by the debt issues in the US government and lack of saving of the US population. Hopefully inflation doesn’t compound the problem.

Ultimately, as we recover I expect that means of production will come back into the US as people realize the risks of out sourcing everything and just in time inventory management.

National pride will predominate over one world order ideologies. There will be some very significant moves away from globalization, and many things like pharmaceuticals will be required by law to be made in the US.

This return of industry, and decreased globalization will ultimately lead the way to the return of prosperity and massive business opportunities.

I feel this cycle will take 10-15+ years to work it’s way through. History has a terrible way of repeating itself, because humans keep making the same mistakes.

So that’s my prognosis. Hopefully i am horribly wrong.

 

[• nikita •]

It was bound to happen sooner or later. This is a good opportunity for the world to learn how to deal with such pandemics. And maybe come out more united once it all ends, like communities tend to in the face of disaster (even though I wouldn't call this disastrous).

 

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[Rivoli]

Ok, here is my own personal wild speculation....this is what at my core I feel Is gonna happen, could be totally wrong, but it’s my gut, so I’ll just share it.

This is obviously very wild speculation on my part which is totally different from my other posts where I have simply been trying to make sense of things that are known.

My bet is tonight (or in the very near future) that trump closes all boarders to the US and halts all or nearly all international flights.

Sometime in the not to distant future travel between states will be severely limited, and in all likelihood at some point either tonight or within the coming weeks all planes will be grounded.

We will see mass quarantines, that begin initially as recommendations, escalating to full scale military style quarantines.

I expect the hit to businesses will be massive from disruption of incoming supply chain, followed by lost wages, inability to buy, and restricted movement.

I feel there is significant probability that this is going to force us into a severe financial depression that lasts years. I expect this will be made even worse by the debt issues in the US government and lack of saving of the US population. Hopefully inflation doesn’t compound the problem.

Ultimately, as we recover I expect that means of production will come back into the US as people realize the risks of out sourcing everything and just in time inventory management.

National pride will predominate over one world order ideologies. There will be some very significant moves away from globalization, and many things like pharmaceuticals will be required by law to be made in the US.

This return of industry, and decreased globalization will ultimately lead the way to the return of prosperity and massive business opportunities.

I feel this cycle will take 10-15+ years to work it’s way through. History has a terrible way of repeating itself, because humans keep making the same mistakes.

So that’s my prognosis. Hopefully i am horribly wrong.

Not going to happen.

This isn’t Ebola. You don’t tank the entire economy for a virus that has a 1% death rate. People would literally starve to death if interstate commerce was freezed.

Remember, China majorly f*cked this up and it was still able to get pass the mass quarantine stage in 2-3 weeks depending on the area. It’s realistic that this whole thing will be done by May.

However, we will have a recession now. GS is saying stocks will tank 15%.

 

[GuestUser4aMPs1]

My bet is tonight (or in the very near future) that trump closes all boarders to the US and halts all or nearly all international flights.

Sometime in the not to distant future travel between states will be severely limited, and in all likelihood at some point either tonight or within the coming weeks all planes will be grounded.

We will see mass quarantines, that begin initially as recommendations, escalating to full scale military style quarantines.

God, hope it doesn't play out like this.

Military State.

That. Is. Terrifying.

 

[GIlman]

Not going to happen.

This isn’t Ebola. You don’t tank the entire economy for a virus that has a 1% death rate. People would literally starve to death if interstate commerce was freezed.

Remember, China majorly f*cked this up and it was still able to get pass the mass quarantine stage in 2-3 weeks depending on the area. It’s realistic that this whole thing will be done by May.

However, we will have a recession now. GS is saying stocks will tank 15%.

I prefer your version of things and pray your right. The real question isn’t just when it ends but the damage it leaves in its wakE and what the path to recovery is.

Also I prefer not to use China as any barometer for this. I don’t trust a single number coming out of there.

 

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[Rivoli]

If trump declares a state of emergency tonight I’m going to lose my mind.

prepare for a massive sell off tomorrow if he does.

 

[loop101]

This is what I’ve been saying this whole thread and getting hammered on. When I pointed that out I was called a “sociopath”

I'm not saying what those numbers really mean, because I don't know. That may also be the difference between our posts, and their reception.

The situation is still evolving, the average age of a corona virus death may drop to include more young people, once the hospitals are full. The mortality rate may go down, if they find out a lot of people are infected but not sick. The mortality rate may go up, if they find out a lot of "regular" flu deaths were actually COVID19.

The only thing that people know for certain, is that isolation works. I expect Trump will push for that tonight. If people stop getting infected because no one is around each other, it will fade out.

2020 may be the year that everybody stayed home. Whatever happens this year, 2021 should see a lot of critical manufacturing brought back to America.

 

[BlindSide]

I really think everyone should listen to Joe Rogans podcast with Michael Osterholm, regardless of what you think of him. It’s just very informative.. and in fact kind of makes it a bit easier to stomach.

Also - would love a discussion on how entrepreneurs could help prevent stuff like this in the future. Obviously can’t completely stop it, but what if you made SOMETHING that helped just a bit in the future cases?

 

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[Ernman]

Super dumb questions incoming:

1.Do you think there is less of a chance you will get this virus if you got a flu shot?

2. If there is one thing I do hate, is how much fear there is around the people who have it, as opposed to death. Whenever I get the flu, I really don’t need the doctor, I just recover at home. I am curious if there is any info out there around your chances if you just stay home, eat healthy, drink plenty of water, etc etc?

3. If you get it - are you going to the hospital? Or staying home?

These are NOT dumb questions at all.
1. No...kind of - the flu vaccine distributed each year is prepared to help defend us against the variation of influenza anticipated that year. The CDC, along with their counter-parts throughout the world, monitor developing virus mutations and formulate a new vaccine each year. It's a little more complicated than my simple explanation, but I think you get the point. However, since many with C0VlD-19 also have other flu infection the flu shot you got will help lesson the overall impact to your body of the combined assult.
2. It's being reported that many people don't even realize they've been infected. If you're relatively young and in good health, a call to your primary care provider before going "in" for treatment would be a good idea.
3. Please see #2. However, I have the complicating factor of a wife who is a cancer survivor and dealing with significant damage to her liver and kidneys from exposure to "an unknown contaminant" while serving in Iraq.

 

[BlindSide]

Also - thank you to the multiple people who have responded to my self-proclaimed dumb questions. I’m grabbing a pulse oximeter.

I’ve also made the difficult decision to have my girlfriend and her parents who live in KS to have a talk tonight about the possibility of us cancelling our flight to see them. They are older (nearly 70), and have MULTIPLE health issues. I don’t want to risk us having it, and spreading it.

 

[Ernman]

Honestly after watching his whole meeting with congress, I’ve swung fully from “nothingburger” to “we need to get on war footing”.

@Rivoli - you among that rarest breed of humans who is willing to listen to facts and adjust as the situation becomes more clear. In MJ's words, you'd rather be rich than right.

 

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[• nikita •]

I really think everyone should listen to Joe Rogans podcast with Michael Osterholm, regardless of what you think of him. It’s just very informative.. and in fact kind of makes it a bit easier to stomach.

Also - would love a discussion on how entrepreneurs could help prevent stuff like this in the future. Obviously can’t completely stop it, but what if you made SOMETHING that helped just a bit in the future cases?

I think a business which delivers groceries or other essential items to the elderly or sick would do really well right now.

 

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Naomi Campbell in the airport last year, and this year: