The Worldwide C0VlD-19 Coronavirus Pandemic Discussion Thread...

[Here]

I see where you are going with this and i just asked.

She hasnt had to treat anyone yet.

Yep. My (very young) SIL is almost finished nursing school. They're being told the virus is only an issue for the elderly. The hospitals are being turned over and tons of beds devoted to quarantine, but there's nothing to worry about.

 

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[Kak]

So what about this? Let’s go back to Wuhan.

11.9 MILLION people live there.

YET there are only like 105k worldwide cases of the Caronavirus.

Had it remained in Wuhan, it would STILL only be 1% of their population that even contracted the virus.

There has been PLENTY of time for it to spread through Wuhan, but it hasn’t. I would say they are the only example we have of an area that has matured through the outbreak yet.

While yes, it may be extremely contagious, it is still pretty slow to work it’s way through the population.

Some say it will go away when it gets hotter outside. The earth has two winters. So whoever says that is retarded.

It seems to me that the virus will just slowly make its rounds, like the flu, and circulate for a few years to come. It will just become part of daily life. You might eventually get it, you might not. People can forget about containment. That isn’t happening.

 

[Kak]

Unless there are massive efforts not being reported I’m pretty embarrassed for the U.S. on a federal and state level for how poorly this is being handled. From aggregating multiple reports we’ve tested roughly 2,000 people total while South Korea is testing 10,000/day?

My best guess is there are thousands of cases already circulating the country completely unknown. Here’s hoping I’m wrong.

People love to look to the government as their savior. “Help us government, there is a virus.” Meanwhile my teeth got rattled out of my head yesterday on I-45 because they can’t even manage to make a flat surface to drive on.

No, government can’t stop it. Yes, idiots LOVE seeing the government throw money at things. Should they? No.

 

[gryfny]

There has been PLENTY of time for it to spread through Wuhan, but it hasn’t. I would say they are the only example we have of an area that has matured through the outbreak yet.

Keep in mind that the city of Wuhan is on complete lockdown. And also, not everyone trusts the numbers coming from China.

But! It is indeed a nothingburger.

 

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[Digamma]

I am a bit worried, Italy locking down a large portion of there population....don't see why they would do that if it wasn't a big deal.

That's an easy one to answer. The healthcare system is on the brink of collapse, and they know it. The area affected by the epidemic is the richest of the country, and even there they're barely hanging on. If the epidemic spreads to the South, people will not be able to get the care they need. There are no beds, no doctors, no nursing staff, no hospitals, no ICUs. Hell, people can't get healthcare in normal conditions. The stories I could tell...

That's the reality of socialized healthcare.

 

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"An hamburger made of nothing"
Love it.

 

[Vigilante]

Yep. My (very young) SIL is almost finished nursing school. They're being told the virus is only an issue for the elderly. The hospitals are being turned over and tons of beds devoted to quarantine, but there's nothing to worry about.

It's only for the elderly and yet they're closing down schools and universities

 

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[Drive2Riches]

It's only for the elderly and yet they're closing down schools and universities

Young and healthy people are now carriers. This covid19 remains dormant for a long time with everyone, and kids will bring it home to grandma or to their dad who has asthma and heart disease.

Washington State has around 60 deaths in about a week. "Normal Flu" has killed 60 in five months in the same region. There is no comparison of the two because there is no vaccine for covad19, "novel" means they don't get to make a new vaccine from what they know about the flu virus from last season.

Fun fact: CDC budget was cut by 80% because US Government thought is was an unnecessary expense.

 

[lowtek]

Young and healthy people are now carriers. This covid19 remains dormant for a long time with everyone, and kids will bring it home to grandma or to their dad who has asthma and heart disease.

Washington State has around 60 deaths in about a week. "Normal Flu" has killed 60 in five months in the same region. There is no comparison of the two because there is no vaccine for covad19, "novel" means they don't get to make a new vaccine from what they know about the flu virus from last season.

Fun fact: CDC budget was cut by 80% because US Government thought is was an unnecessary expense.

They have an 11B budget. You're telling me they had way more than that in the prior years?That was more than adequate to begin preparing for such an outbreak. The problem isn't that their funding was cut. The problem is that they're grifters, scam artists, and incompetent morons.

the CDC should be disbanded, their leadership tossed in a concrete cell, and the taxpayers refunded their money.

 

[EVMaso]

Maybe this will be like the novel "Inferno" by Dan Brown (not the movie, they made a different ending). Covid 19 is just impossible to contain, it will just be circulating around the world like any other common malady, and we'll all just have to live with it. People will suffer and die because of it, at least until we get a vaccine made and properly circulated, but by then it might be too late to completely eradicate it. School children get vaccines in their schooling years much like we get hepatitis shots that keep us safe for decades. It will be just another thing to manage.

 

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[biggeemac]

Well, we’ve beaten the shit out of the “death rate”, but at this point, I’m ready to share my “Biggeemac shit rate” that I have calculated. I give 1.5% shits about C0VlD-19 and 98.5% of my shits go to the public hysteria about this pandemic. The response to it is unreasonable from the public, the media, the healthcare system, and the government. I believe that the interruptions in the supply chain to medical supplies and prescriptions are a bigger threat than anything else. Not counting Wuhan, who effed up on multiple levels, we are talking about 500 people dead..... in a world of many billions. My wife takes blood thinners to stay alive, my dad takes heart medication..... those are the things causing me more stress. All this is my opinion, only time will tell the facts.

 

[Drive2Riches]

It's a little hard to listen to rants about "grifters, scam artists, and incompetent morons" and that "the CDC should be disbanded, their leadership tossed in a concrete cell" -- when you're currently living effectively at Ground Zero in the US. (WA has highest instances in USA)

I'm here (FLF) to learn and get ideas about the future, inspiration about opportunity, and to gain some insight about how much at risk my family actually is. If you don't have a state of emergency in Arizona, and zero deaths, I can understand your insensitivity. But I have now cancelled all my visits from/with family through April.

Now that a case of the virus has actually hit CPAC and is transmitted by touch, more cases might emerge in DC, thus having the potential to motivate politicians' actions rather than maintaining political rhetoric when people that they actually know start getting quarantined.

 

[ChickenHawk]

It's a little hard to listen to rants about "grifters, scam artists, and incompetent morons" and that "the CDC should be disbanded, their leadership tossed in a concrete cell" -- when you're currently living effectively at Ground Zero in the US. (WA has highest instances in USA)

I don't want to speak for the person who said this, but the point was (I believe) that the CDC has done a horrible job of managing this. Given the size of their budget, they should've been able to perform much better in their primary function, which is to protect the population from pandemics, etc.

They've failed on nearly every front. Faulty tests, delayed tests, inconsistent communication, lack of preparation as far as supplies, etc. etc. etc. For the amount of money we're paying, we deserve better.

I think the point was, if the CDC is not willing or able to adequately perform their primary function, we should divert that money to people and organizations who can and will perform better. For example, much-needed funds could instead be given to health professionals in your area, who are dealing firsthand with a legitimate crisis.

Here's just one fun example. The government spent nearly three million dollars studying "Why lesbians are fat." Just think of all the N95 masks that money could've purchased. But instead, the government spends like drunken monkies on things that prove to be of zero use in a real crisis.

 

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[Here]

This all reminds me of when my kid was 10 months old and got a very mild case of shigella. Only reason I had her tested was because she had bloody stool in her diaper (TMI I know, sorry).

The Health Dept. calls me up to grill me. Was she at a large event? Did she eat prepared food? Did someone else have it? On and on they went. Then of course lots of warnings about how she can't be exposed to anyone for 2 weeks.

The whole thing was ridiculous because she obviously caught it from someone who wasn't showing symptoms. And the risk of someone else catching it from a 10-month-old is pretty low.

Same thing going on here, but a much larger scale. Those spreading the virus don't have symptoms. I'm concerned about what happens if someone DOES have symptoms, you know those around you have to be carriers but you're the one stuck in isolation for weeks.

I know it's important to take measures. I'm just questioning my past experience and what I expect them to do here.

 

[Drive2Riches]

@ChickenHawk Yup. U got it. Very well put.

 

[David Fitz]

Could it be like the chicken pox where you should get it while you're young and the older you get without contracting the virus the more chance you have of dieing?

 

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[socaldude]

As I stated before this virus was probably genetically engineered. Now I’m fully convinced it is. Plus the HIV gene sequence insertions found in the virus(this is why HIV drugs are effective against it). This is a man-made virus with malicious intentions.

Another question to this whole debacle is why? Remember China is a communist , secretive, authoritative, mass surveillance country.

Remove un wanted segments of the population?

Expand central banks powers to go cash-less?

Decompress a healthcare system?

Crash markets and ignite a recession? The markets have taken this virus very seriously.

I don’t know the reasons why, but this whole thing stinks.

Very concerning times we are living in where a government you cannot trust in some far off land can make a virus and in a few weeks already be in your county in USA.

 

[Walter Hay]

when people that they actually know start getting quarantined.

Or die.

 

[loop101]

As I stated before this virus was probably genetically engineered. Now I’m fully convinced it is. Plus the HIV gene sequence insertions found in the virus(this is why HIV drugs are effective against it). This is a man-made virus with malicious intentions.

Another question to this whole debacle is why? Remember China is a communist , secretive, authoritative, mass surveillance country.

Remove un wanted segments of the population?

Expand central banks powers to go cash-less?

Decompress a healthcare system?

Crash markets and ignite a recession? The markets have taken this virus very seriously.

I don’t know the reasons why, but this whole thing stinks.

Very concerning times we are living in where a government you cannot trust in some far off land can make a virus and in a few weeks already be in your county in USA.

The US government still wont release information about JFK's death 56 years ago. If it was man-made, I doubt we will ever hear about it. I remember life before AIDS, and it still hasn't been cured after 40 years. Things were different back then, simpler, with shiny clothes.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1LP81eSKY

 

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[Walter Hay]

This thread would be great starting point for a PHD thesis on human behavior to a real or perceived danger.

We have every response on a very wide spectrum.

• Denial
• Boredom
• It hasn't affected me or my family so it's not real
• Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story
• Wild guesses
• Uneducated assumptions
• The voice of reason
• Unjustifiable speculation
• The Russian roulette approach suits me
• Blind faith in statistics (There are lies, damn lies and statistics.)
• Blind faith in government disclosures
• It's on YouTube so it must be a fact
• Someone said... So it's a fact
• I'll be OK
• Only X,Y or Z types will catch it
• I'm not in a high risk category so why worry
• It's a conspiracy
• It hasn't turned up in my locality, so why should I worry

Walter

 

[Dwight Schrute]

They have an 11B budget. You're telling me they had way more than that in the prior years?That was more than adequate to begin preparing for such an outbreak. The problem isn't that their funding was cut. The problem is that they're grifters, scam artists, and incompetent morons.

the CDC should be disbanded, their leadership tossed in a concrete cell, and the taxpayers refunded their money.

I think the problem is that they, like me, are pretty well prepared.
Only for the wrong thing.

I am prepared to sweep through the streets wearing reinforced motorcycle gear, bashing zombieheads in left and right. Showing up like the knight in the white armor, saving the neighborhood through the power of my mace.

But now we have an invisible enemy, and all I can do is to practice proper hygiene and avoid crowds. Business as usual, it is.

Bummer.

 

[FreshNash]

Here in Italy the situation is dramatic, the health care system is collapsing in the north (the richest part of the country)!

Main hospitals are almost full and cannot provide cures for everyone so the mortality rate's gonna severely increase from now on!

I heard from a cardiologist that in Milan they're running out of ventilators and will start dettaching patients in bad conditions and let them die to cure others that would have more chances to survive.

A lot of young and healthy 20 yo teens are showing up with severe pneumonias and need CPAP.

A disaster is going on and it's only the start.

Brace yourselves and prepare for the worst.

 

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[Here]

I'm here (FLF) to learn and get ideas about the future, inspiration about opportunity, and to gain some insight about how much at risk my family actually is.

No one here knows more than anyone else.

The US government still wont release information about JFK's death 56 years ago. If it was man-made, I doubt we will ever hear about it.

Suddenly I understand the JFK conspiracy theories. They always seemed absurd to me before this.

 

[Timmy C]

Someone I know just got back from a business trip in India. When he left, 2 of his colleagues where banned from traveling, they are believed to have covid 19. Now he has flown back to Australia and is experiencing flu like symptoms and he is in denial about potentially having it.

This is going to go down so well...

 

[NovaAria]

Yeah I think once this whole thing blows over, there will be serious talks about limiting biotech research and bioengineering. Nuclear weapons were one thing, but now governments are making life-killing weapons that have no cure and that mutate and evolve on their own...

As for the discussion about the CDC, and the WHO in general, the correct move was to ban travel, close airports, and systematically test anyone who shows symptoms from the very. Of course they couldn't do that when the number of cases wasn't that big, and everyone was (and still is) calling this a nothing burger. Would governments have accepted the economic hit when it was still limited to a single country and barely any deaths?
Hindsight is of course 20/20, but we now know that people can carry and spread the virus asymptomatically for 3 weeks. Would people have accepted a mandatory quarantine of 3 weeks for anyone coming from china when we knew pretty much nothing of the virus and it was just a problem in their backyard?

Hopefully, lessons will be learned from this. Business lessons about supply lines and manufacturing, and safety lessons about not making bio weapons that have no cure just because we can.

 

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[Xeon]

Family accidentally buys 2,300 toilet rolls prior to national supermarket sell-out - ABC News

 

[loop101]

Good bye cruise industry.

"Keep off cruises amid coronavirus outbreak, State Department says"

Keep off cruises amid coronavirus outbreak, State Department says

“U.S. citizens, particularly travelers with underlying health conditions, should not travel by cruise ship,” officials advised.

nypost.com

 

[loop101]

Eventually, some, if not many, on this forum, will get COVID19.

Having said that, there are 2 11 cases near me, and I now have a sort-throat and a few other minor symptoms - which I assume are from severe allergies. At least I am ready, if I need to self-quarantine. I don't think I have COVID19, but it certainly is weird not feeling 100% when this crap is going on.

 

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[biggeemac]

Eventually, some, if not many, on this forum, will get COVID19.

Having said that, there are 2 11 cases near me, and I now have a sort-throat and a few other minor symptoms - which I assume are from severe allergies. At least I am ready, if I need to self-quarantine. I don't think I have COVID19, but it certainly is weird not feeling 100% when this crap is going on.

Edit: 98.1 F, I live!

I am sick, along with my wife and two daughters. It sucks wondering if we should be quarantined or not. But I am treating myself as though I have it. I have been avoiding contact with others, however, our business is adult foster homes. I have 9 souls living in my home, plus a few employees going in and out. The main directive that the state has given us in regards to the disease is that we are NOT allowed to restrict any of our residents or visitors from coming or going out of our home. Nothing about making sure prescriptions are filled, and very little about safety. Government FAILURE !!!

 

[Mckenzie]

Not to make the matter more worse than it is, but this virus is very contagious; so does means that they just disposed the dead person (died from the vivid) without allowing families & relatives to do a proper funeral? No final visits allow?