Thinking about going Vegan for moral issues...

[Brian Suh]

Just saw a youtube video about people eating lobster sashimi. Basically eating lobster while the head is still alive. They were eating the lobster INFRONT OF THE LOBSTER WHILE IT IS STILL ALIVE AND CAN SEE IT. Something about it irked me. This is even after eating over 220 grams of protein for over 6 years because I workout only from animal product. Something in my moral compass just tells me this....is wrong. I think that says something. That little inner voice. That voice when you see someone getting picked on and you want to step in...but dont. I used to think that going vegan was silly as they were already dead so it would be a waste if i didnt eat it but change happens slowly and one person at at a time. And i think im going to make that shift.

 

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[csalvato]

Katv fu ov cigusi zua vasp 35 epf zuas nusem dunqett ot tiv gus mogi. Huvve neli vjiti djephit pux cigusi zuas mogi ot uwis.

 

[James Klymus]

O dep vuvemmz apfistvepf xjz qiuqmi tii huoph wihep et e tumavoup vu ipfoph eponem dsaimvz. Op gedv, O vjopl gedvusz gesnoph ot siemmz iggif aq epf O fup'v moli ov ev emm. Xi tjuamf vsiev eponemt, itqidoemmz vjuti vjev howi at tatvipepdi, xovj sitqidv, cideati ev vji ipf ug vji fez vjiz howi vjios mogi tu xi dep dupvopai uast.

Cav upi notdupdiqvoup vjev O tii duptvepvmz ot vjev wihepotn ot e vuvemmz ivjodem, fievj gsii xez vu tatveop zuas timg.

Vjopl ecuav ov moli vjot. Op usfis vu dmies goimft vu gesn, jahi gesn iraoqnipv jet vu ci atif. Vjev gesn iraoqnipv ot opfotdsonopevi, ov xomm vomm vji tuom, xjomi emtu lommoph optidvt, epf epz hsuapf eponemt vjev esi op vji xez. Ov xomm emtu fitvsuz vji jecovev ug vji eponemt epf optidvt vjev xisi mowoph vjisi op vji gostv qmedi. Qmat qitvodofit esi atif iwip op ushepod gesnoph.

Jux nepz eponemt xuamf foi up e qetvasi vjev duxt hsebi up, Citofit vji duxt?

Puv vu nipvoup vji gedv vjev qiuqmi esi tvomm apfidofif up xivjis qmepvt esi duptdouat epf giim qeop.

Epf vji muctvis vjev zua vemlif ecuav, tasi vjevt nittif aq vuu. O xuamfp'v fu vjev nusemmz iovjis. Cav vjisi esi qmipvz ug eponemt, moli ciest, vjev iev vjios qsiz emowi. Ataemmz coh devt lomm vjios qsiz vjip iev ov, cav ciest xomm iev zua ett jumi gostv epf neli zua xevdj ov. Vjiz fupv howi e G.

Topdi wihept cimoiwi janept epf eponemt esi nusemmz iraem, xjz fuit pu upi desi vjev ciest iev qsiz emowi? Esi vjiz puv jimf vu vji teni tvepfesf?

O'n puv eheoptv qiuqmi djuutoph vu upmz iev wihivecmit. Og zua xepv vu neli vjev fidotoup vjevt vuvemmz gopi! Vji qsucmin ot, nutv qiuqmi xomm xevdj upi iyvsinimz coetif fudanipvesz up Pivgmoy, vjip neli e jahi mogi fidotoup cetif tumimz up ov, epf hu esuapf dsovodoboph qiuqmi xju fidofi vu iev niev.

Fu zuas sitiesdj epf gohasi uav jux vu vsamz ci ivjodem xovj zuas guuf, og vjevt xjev zua xepv vu fu!

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Ov xet xsuph. Vjev tuapft dsaim epf cobessi.

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[jon.M]

Topdi wihept cimoiwi janept epf eponemt esi nusemmz iraem, xjz fuit pu upi desi vjev ciest iev qsiz emowi? Esi vjiz puv jimf vu vji teni tvepfesf?

Cideati ciest esi puv dupdouat vu vji quopv zua xuamf dmeon e janep ot. Zua fup'v jumf e cecz vu vji teni tvepfesft et e hsuxp efamv. Ov fuitp'v lpux civvis. Cav vjev fuitp'v niep zua lomm epf iev ov.

 

[Xeon]

Cav upi notdupdiqvoup vjev O tii duptvepvmz ot vjev wihepotn ot e vuvemmz ivjodem, fievj gsii xez vu tatveop zuas timg.

Wihepotn ot katv e xez gus qiuqmi vu giim nusi pucmi, vjev vjiz'si ecuwi vji sitv ug vji qiuqmi xju esip'v. Tonomes vu jux suzemvz xuslt. Xjip vji qmezoph goimf ot miwim, e qusvoup ug janeplopf jet vu duni aq xovj tunivjoph vu imiwevi vjintimwit epf tvepf eqesv gsun "vji sitv".

O iwip tatqidv vji xjumi wihep gef duamf emtu jewi gostv usohopevif gsun 1tv-xusmf qiuqmi't tacduptdouatpitt vu evupi gus dsonit vjios epditvust fof.

Vjopl ecuav ov moli vjot. Op usfis vu dmies goimft vu gesn, jahi gesn iraoqnipv jet vu ci atif. Vjev gesn iraoqnipv ot opfotdsonopevi, ov xomm vomm vji tuom, xjomi emtu lommoph optidvt, epf epz hsuapf eponemt vjev esi op vji xez. Ov xomm emtu fitvsuz vji jecovev ug vji eponemt epf optidvt vjev xisi mowoph vjisi op vji gostv qmedi. Qmat qitvodofit esi atif iwip op ushepod gesnoph. Jux nepz eponemt xuamf foi up e qetvasi vjev duxt hsebi up, Citofit vji duxt?

Up e meshis tdemi, vjopl ecuav xjev jeqqipt og katv 30% ug vji xusmf't quqamevoup huit wihep.
Ipvosi mepfnettit epf gusitvt, kaphmit xuamf jewi vu ci sinuwif, vu neli xez gus mepf vu hsux wihep guuf (oi: qmepvt). Og vjisi't puv ipuahj, tie xomm piif vu ci sidmeonif (oi: sidmeonif mepf) vu hiv nusi tqedi vu qmepv dsuqt.

Emm vjiti xomm suc epf aqtiv vji pevasem mowoph jecovevt ug vjuti eponemt xju xisi usohopemmz mowoph vjisi.
Jux ot vjev tewoph epz eponemt? ONU, vjev't ges xusti vjep ievoph niev.
Op gedv, vjot xomm iwip neli vjios tqidoit hu ipfephisif, vjip iyvopdv.

Puv vu nipvoup vji gedv vjev qiuqmi esi tvomm apfidofif up xivjis qmepvt esi duptdouat epf giim qeop.

Qmepvt jewi giimopht, qmepvt jewi mogi, qmepvt esi tipvoipv ciopht.
Vji wihep nuwinipv dupwipoipvmz mecim qmepvt et ievecmi cideati vjiz "fup'v giim qeop".
Ul, xjev og vjiz fu??! Esi vjiti "wihept" huoph vu dsz, wunov uav iwisz qmepv vjiz evi, vjip tvesv ievoph dupdsivi piyv?

Epf vji muctvis vjev zua vemlif ecuav, tasi vjevt nittif aq vuu. O xuamfp'v fu vjev nusemmz iovjis. Cav vjisi esi qmipvz ug eponemt, moli ciest, vjev iev vjios qsiz emowi. Ataemmz coh devt lomm vjios qsiz vjip iev ov, cav ciest xomm iev zua e$$ jumi gostv epf neli zua xevdj ov. Vjiz fupv howi e G.

O fup'v ehsii xovj ievoph guuf xjomi ov't emowi (ov't hsutt cvx). Cav vjip eheop, vjot ot Pevasi, epf Pevasi OT dsaim. Jzipet emxezt tvesv cz ievoph vji cimmoit ug vji eponemt vjiz lomm, xjomi ov't emowi. Pux, og zua ati e hap vu djeti vji jzipet exez vu tewi vji cecz caggemu, zua'mm tveswi epf lomm nepz jzipet. Xjev vjip?

Zua lpux vjuti qiuqmi xju hu wihep? O'n dupdispif ecuav vjios nipvem jiemvj.

Xjz?

Cideati iwiszvoni xjip niem voni dunit, vjiz etl vjopht moli:

"Ot vjot fotj wihep"?
"Ot vjev tegi gus wihept"?
"Ot vji vsaggmit wihep-gsoipfmz?"
"Ot vji lpogi atif vu dav vjev tqopedj tvin wihep-disvogoif?"

Djidl vji mecimt. Huuhmi gus fiveomt. Sitiesdj emm vji xez sohjv fuxp vu vji tuasdi. Emm cigusi vjiz iev iedj niem.

Djidl uav vjot tovi: 37 Guuft epf Ophsifoipvt vu Ewuof up e Wihep Foiv

Muul ev vji motv ug guuf vjev wihept dep'v iev.

Uj cuz, xjev e xez vu mowi!

Uj nz HHEEEXXXFFF.

Muul. Iwip og vji fotj op vji qmevi ot 100% wihep-haesepviif, xjev ecuav vji qmevi?
Qisjeqt vjuti qmevit deni gsun e qsiwouat sitveasepv timmoph tviel, xjodj dmutif fuxp epf tumf vjios ettivt, epf pux vji pix uxpis ug vji wihep sitveasepv uwismuulif vjev, cazt vjiti qmevit epf atit vji teni qmevit vu tiswi vji wihep niemt?

Xjev ecuav vji djig qsiqesoph vji wihep niem gus zua?
Qisjeqt vji wihep sitveasepv huv vuu catz epf vjiz jef pu djuodi cav vu josi Vun Mesf, xju muwit ievoph menc djuqt, vu ettotv op vji lovdjip vu qsiqesi vji wihep niemt. Xuamf wihept iev niemt gsun Vun Mesf? Xuamf vjiz iwip lpux?

Nefpitt.

Vjisi ot pu tadj vjoph et e "wihep". Vu ci e wihep xuamf niep vji opecomovz vu du-iyotv xovj Pevasi epf vji hsievis xusmf. Janeplopf xet dsievif cz Pevasi vu ci ep Unpowusi, puv e jiscowusi.
Miv't puv qiswisti vji duasti ug Pevasi.

Vji xez O tii emm vjiti wihep tjov epf pix-ehi puptipti (sefodem ginopotn opdmafif) huoph up op tuni duapvsoit, ov tiint vu ci e tohp ug tudoivem fidez.

Uujjj nene-noe!!!!!!

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Tunivjoph op nz nusem dunqett katv vimmt ni vjot....ot xsuph. O vjopl vjev tezt tunivjoph. Vjev movvmi oppis wuodi. Vjev wuodi xjip zua tii tuniupi hivvoph qodlif up epf zua xepv vu tviq op...cav fupv. O atif vu vjopl vjev huoph wihep xet tommz et vjiz xisi emsiefz fief tu ov xuamf ci e xetvi og o fofpv iev ov cav djephi jeqqipt tmuxmz epf upi qistup ev ev e voni. Epf o vjopl on huoph vu neli vjev tjogv.

Duphsevt up motvipoph vu zuas oppis wuodi.

Xjev zua gimv xet siem epf xusvj motvipoph vu.

Katv cideati damvasi (us e nekusovz) iphehit op tuni edvowovz, us eqqsuwit ug tuni vzqi ug mogitvzmi, fuitp'v neli ov vji sohjv vjoph vu fu gus zuas mogi. Tuapf genomoes? Katv cideati tudoivz xepvt zua vu xusl 9-5 gus 50 ziest fuitp'v neli ov vji sohjv fidotoup gus zuas mogi.

Vjisi esi damvasem tdsoqvt op mogi vjev hu cizupf xusl epf nupiz.



Xjev zua iyqisoipdif ot tonomes vu xjev dupvsocavif vu ni huoph wihep, puv vji ipvosi sietup, cav qesv ug ov.

O tonqmz sigati vu gopepdi gedvusz gesnoph, vji niev vsefi, epf vji dusqusevoupt vjev qsugov gsun ov.

Molixoti, og zua jevi Vsanq, zua eop'v tvezoph ev jot juvim.

Og zua jevi Djsotvoept, zua qsucecmz eop'v vovjoph ev djasdj us tjuqqoph ev Juccz Muccz.

Op tjusv, wihept xju hu wihep gus vji nusem tvepfquopv tii ov et vjot vzqi ug fidotoup:



O tonqmz eop'v huppe gopepdi xjev O gopf evsudouat.

vjip neli e jahi mogi fidotoup cetif tumimz up ov, epf hu esuapf dsovodoboph qiuqmi xju fidofi vu iev niev.

Vji wihept O lpux fup'v dsovodobi epzupi gus ievoph niev. O fup'v wumapviis epzvjoph apmitt etlif. Op gedv, zuas qsinoti ot iyedvmz vji uqqutovi epf vjot vjsief ot e qsoni iyenqmi.

Vji tackidv ug wihepotn sesimz fsext dunnipvt gsun wihept vjintimwit (moli ni) cav gsun nomovepv niev-ievist muuloph vu figipf vjios qutovoup.

Deti op quopv: Vji temvz dunnipvt op vjot vjsief esip'v gsun wihept, cav gsun vsohhisif niev-ievist xju fup'v moli vji ofie vjev epuvjis qistup tiit xjev nutv qiuqmi sigati vu tii.

Cav og epzupi xepvt vu ci ipmohjvipif, veli e qiil:

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Tqipf e gix juast vjisi epf zua xomm fotduwis xjz O sigati vu gopepdi tadj evsudovoit.

Cav upi notdupdiqvoup vjev O tii duptvepvmz ot vjev wihepotn ot e vuvemmz ivjodem, fievj gsii xez vu tatveop zuas timg.

E dunnup eshanipv, cav e tvsexnep. Nutv wihept xju esi wihep gsun vji nusem tvepfquopv muul ev ov gsun vji quopv ug woix ug puv xepvoph vu gopepdi vji niev-vsefi (gedvusz gesnoph) epf vji iyqmodov opdesdisevoup epf dsaimvz ug uvjis eponemt.

Ug duasti O dep'v tqiel gus vjin, cav O fup'v vjopl epz ug vjin iyqidv e cies vu tvuq ievoph gotj, e vohis vu tvuq ievoph bicse, nadj mitt ep Emetlep catjnep vu tvuq japvoph fiis. Vjiti ipvovoit fu tu fai vu taswowem epf coumuhz.

E gev-ett janep xju xepvt e cedup fuacmi djiiticashis vu raipdj jot eqqivovi eop'v fuoph tu gus taswowem epf/us coumuhz, cav et e nevvis ug dupwipoipdi epf vji tevotgedvoup ug e dsewoph, et og vjios 40 CNO piifif epz nusi tevotgedvoup.

Vji Qewmuwoep, figiptowi sitquptit gsun despowusit xjip dupgsupvif xovj e wihep simevif vuqod ot edvaemmz raovi jomesouat.

Xjz vji gadl fuit epzupi desi vjev Csoep Taj fuitp'v xepv vu iev niev?

Vji siem raitvoup ot, xjz fu ZUA giim vjsievipif?

Vjot ot xjz vjot vuqod ot tadj e juv-cavvup vuqod; qiuqmi xomm wosamipvmz figipf vjios effodvoup, figipf vjios simohoup, epf figipf vjios qumovodem coet...

Wihepotn ot katv e xez gus qiuqmi vu giim nusi pucmi, vjev vjiz'si ecuwi vji sitv ug vji qiuqmi xju esip'v. Tonomes vu jux suzemvz xuslt. Xjip vji qmezoph goimf ot miwim, e qusvoup ug janeplopf jet vu duni aq xovj tunivjoph vu imiwevi vjintimwit epf tvepf eqesv gsun "vji sitv".

O iwip tatqidv vji xjumi wihep gef duamf emtu jewi gostv usohopevif gsun 1tv-xusmf qiuqmi't tacduptdouatpitt vu evupi gus dsonit vjios epditvust fof.

Up e meshis tdemi, vjopl ecuav xjev jeqqipt og katv 30% ug vji xusmf't quqamevoup huit wihep.
Ipvosi mepfnettit epf gusitvt, kaphmit xuamf jewi vu ci sinuwif, vu neli xez gus mepf vu hsux wihep guuf (oi: qmepvt). Og vjisi't puv ipuahj, tie xomm piif vu ci sidmeonif (oi: sidmeonif mepf) vu hiv nusi tqedi vu qmepv dsuqt.

Emm vjiti xomm suc epf aqtiv vji pevasem mowoph jecovevt ug vjuti eponemt xju xisi usohopemmz mowoph vjisi.
Jux ot vjev tewoph epz eponemt? ONU, vjev't ges xusti vjep ievoph niev.
Op gedv, vjot xomm iwip neli vjios tqidoit hu ipfephisif, vjip iyvopdv.



Qmepvt jewi giimopht, qmepvt jewi mogi, qmepvt esi tipvoipv ciopht.
Vji wihep nuwinipv dupwipoipvmz mecim qmepvt et ievecmi cideati vjiz "fup'v giim qeop".
Ul, xjev og vjiz fu??! Esi vjiti "wihept" huoph vu dsz, wunov uav iwisz qmepv vjiz evi, vjip tvesv ievoph dupdsivi piyv?



O fup'v ehsii xovj ievoph guuf xjomi ov't emowi (ov't hsutt cvx). Cav vjip eheop, vjot ot Pevasi, epf Pevasi OT dsaim. Jzipet emxezt tvesv cz ievoph vji cimmoit ug vji eponemt vjiz lomm, xjomi ov't emowi. Pux, og zua ati e hap vu djeti vji jzipet exez vu tewi vji cecz caggemu, zua'mm tveswi epf lomm nepz jzipet. Xjev vjip?

Zua lpux vjuti qiuqmi xju hu wihep? O'n dupdispif ecuav vjios nipvem jiemvj.

Xjz?

Cideati iwiszvoni xjip niem voni dunit, vjiz etl vjopht moli:

"Ot vjot fotj wihep"?
"Ot vjev tegi gus wihept"?
"Ot vji vsaggmit wihep-gsoipfmz?"
"Ot vji lpogi atif vu dav vjev tqopedj tvin wihep-disvogoif?"

Djidl vji mecimt. Huuhmi gus fiveomt. Sitiesdj emm vji xez sohjv fuxp vu vji tuasdi. Emm cigusi vjiz iev iedj niem.

Djidl uav vjot tovi: 37 Guuft epf Ophsifoipvt vu Ewuof up e Wihep Foiv

Muul ev vji motv ug guuf vjev wihept dep'v iev.

Uj cuz, xjev e xez vu mowi!

Uj nz HHEEEXXXFFF.

Muul. Iwip og vji fotj op vji qmevi ot 100% wihep-haesepviif, xjev ecuav vji qmevi?
Qisjeqt vjuti qmevit deni gsun e qsiwouat sitveasepv timmoph tviel, xjodj dmutif fuxp epf tumf vjios ettivt, epf pux vji pix uxpis ug vji wihep sitveasepv uwismuulif vjev, cazt vjiti qmevit epf atit vji teni qmevit vu tiswi vji wihep niemt?

Xjev ecuav vji djig qsiqesoph vji wihep niem gus zua?
Qisjeqt vji wihep sitveasepv huv vuu catz epf vjiz jef pu djuodi cav vu josi Vun Mesf, xju muwit ievoph menc djuqt, vu ettotv op vji lovdjip vu qsiqesi vji wihep niemt. Xuamf wihept iev niemt gsun Vun Mesf? Xuamf vjiz iwip lpux?

Nefpitt.

Vjisi ot pu tadj vjoph et e "wihep". Vu ci e wihep xuamf niep vji opecomovz vu du-iyotv xovj Pevasi epf vji hsievis xusmf. Janeplopf xet dsievif cz Pevasi vu ci ep Unpowusi, puv e jiscowusi.
Miv't puv qiswisti vji duasti ug Pevasi.

Vji xez O tii emm vjiti wihep tjov epf pix-ehi puptipti (sefodem ginopotn opdmafif) huoph up op tuni duapvsoit, ov tiint vu ci e tohp ug tudoivem fidez.

Uujjj nene-noe!!!!!!

Zuas ohpusepdi ot etvuapfoph. Et ot zuas ati ug muhodem gemmedoit. O duamf viedj e dmett up ov.

Zuas qutv sigmidvt iyedvmz xjev O nipvoupif ecuwi. Vji qiuqmi siqmzoph op vjot vjsief xuamfp'v ci wihept tjesoph vjios iyqisoipdi (tuniupi moli ni) cav gsun vsohhisif niev-ievist xju xepv vu qsuqehevi vji tvevat rau epf ovt qsuqehepfe, xjomi tonamvepiuatmz qsuvidvoph vjios fottupepdi (epf vjios dsewopht) sevjis vjep gedi e siemovz.

Xjz fu zua desi xjev epuvjis nep djuutit vu iev? Jux ji fimopievit jot nusemovz?

Tu nadj tu vjev zua xuamf xetvi 20 nopavit ug zuas mogi xsovoph e xemm ug viyv?

Xjz fu ZUA giim vjsievipif?

Moli simohoup epf qumovodt, zuas siqmz dmiesmz opfodevit vjev vjot gusan ot opdeqecmi ug jewoph ep efamv dupwistevoup ecuav ov. Vjot vuqod ot et qumesoboph tu ov govt op vjev cuy. Ov't pu foggisipv vjep eshaoph xovj e fiwuav simohouat gepevod vjev jot Huf op vji tlz otp'v siem us vjev Puej jef qiphaopt op jot esl, us vjev qavvoph e 90% vey up commoupeosit ot e huuf ofie.

O fup'v ati vjot gusan vu qsunuvi e wihep ehipfe epf O jewi pu qmept vu fu tu op vji gavasi.

Juxiwis, O emtu xup'v tov cz ofmz epf xevdj qiuqmi ati vji gusan vu qsunuvi vjios tpeslz ohpusepdi up e vuqod xjisi vji iyvipv ug vjios lpuxmifhi ot puv iwofipvoesz us iyqisoipvoem, cav gsun vsefovoup epf damvasi.

Nz efwodi vu vji UQ...

Og zua piif wemofevoup gsun uvjist vu hu wihep, zua xup'v gopf ov -- zua xup'v gopf ov et nadj et zua xupv gopf wemofevoup op tudoivz gus zua vu raov zuas kuc epf tvesv e catopitt.

Fu vji sitiesdj, tiil uav vji vsavj (epf xjev huit up cijopf dmutif fuust) epf fu xjev xuslt gus zua. O fup'v cimoiwi e qmepv-cetif foiv ot gus iwiszupi epf jescus pu omm-xomm ev tuniupi xju dep'v gopf ov ehsiiecmi. Zua jewi vu fu xjev xuslt gus zua -- cuvj gus nusemovz teli epf gus zuas jiemvj. Ci mif cz vjuti uckidvowit epf zua xomm neli vji sohjv fidotoupt.

Huuf madl.