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Millennials are Jerks, And Boomers Are to Blame

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i'd like more details on ways you think things will change, i know some of us i'm included in the group have seen our parents struggling and also know there's such a major increase in national debt that we're afraid taxes will ever wipe out any chance at sustaining a high standard of living so instead of saving / preparing / starting businesses/ investing we're mainly sticking to our checking accounts at least i am

Well, the problem is that most of the steady jobs were taken by boomers
You ever read those articles where a boomer gets fired and enters todays workplace to find a job and they are totally out of their depth?
That is because jobs themselves have started to change and the requirements are higher than ever. Often requiring independent decision making, autonomy, and carrying some of the burden of the company's success.
BUT Millenials are not given POWER

When the keys of that power shift, I think you will see millenials become STUNNED by just how kept down and lied to they were and start thinking about how to use that gap in wealth to either be totally bitter or generous. The extra productivity could be used to improve countries, and the world and how it runs, changing it from an industrial age model, or it could be used to exaggerate corruption and self interest and create an extremely high unemployment rate, increased automation, and cement in a poverty class.

Boomers operate on a BELIEF they have more productivity than the other guy, but this is actually a reverse bubble, and when it POPS, productivity will seemingly spike from no where. And millenials won't be prepared, so it'll be like a wild firehose.

You just have to use logic to decipher what that firehose hits, and whether it destroys or creates. Either we are all PISSED or we all become wise and strong, it will be a HUGE test of character. And boomers are totally ignorant of this coming test of character because they were never tested. They offload that responsibility to us. And I think we have to be BIGGER than them in every way, and if we do, we will literally transform the world.

So I get annoyed when boomers think, we are trash. It all depends on us. Hate us, don't believe it, scoff. But we are the ones who are truly going to aim this cannon about to go off.
 
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i'd like more details on ways you think things will change, i know some of us i'm included in the group have seen our parents struggling and also know there's such a major increase in national debt that we're afraid taxes will ever wipe out any chance at sustaining a high standard of living so instead of saving / preparing / starting businesses/ investing we're mainly sticking to our checking accounts at least i am

This is just my theory, but Generation X, has to step in the next few years, and start leading the way, and as you stated, "We've struggled", we got caught in the shift in 2008, had to let go of all the conditioning of society, and as I was going through College to upgrade, I was learning the same stuff as my son in high school that wasn't covered when I went to school. The college you go too, also has to do a lot with whether they stay on top of their game.

I have many Millennial friends as you stated, there families are struggling, but Generation X needs to get out in front and this is going against our parents generation, so this takes a lot of maturing, growing, and evolving, and not easy for our generation, but a must.

Millennials aren't so off their thoughts about Baby Boomers, if you look at when certain things began in our society and magnified it might have existed prior before in generations, but they magnified it and made it bigger. And Generation X followed suit in some ways of our older group. I'm the youngest of Generation X.

Millennials to me sometimes are like playing hockey mentally and emotionally, and they're a fierce team, and so I don't doubt they have the ability to change the systems once they're grown, matured, and self-actualized. My son's group is the youngest of the Millennials, so he grows with me as I go.

What it made it hard for Millennials is that shift in business, methods, techniques, and the rules all changed, and we had to make a choice to re-educate ourselves, and go in a new way. When Baby Boomers were in there Revolution in the 60's, they were in their 20's and thirties as well. The era wasn't about technology, competitive as it is today in business. While there was business, it was on a smaller scale, and they didn't need to be as educated as Generation X and Millennials.

Generations before were in the factories, industrial, farming, agriculture, and again their educational level wasn't necessary to survive as today. There coping skills, survival skills, were quite different.

Generation X and Millennials are all about Mental Toughness, Mindset, Emotional regulation, and everyone is educated with degrees, unless you've chosen not too educate yourself. I believe just like the Baby Boomers, Millennials will make some impact and history, if they learn to use their energy in a positive way. They're empathetic, understanding, compassionate, and fearless. The ego and attitude get in the way, and of course this can be self-sabotaging themselves and one another. But I think I've noticed the Millennials already learned some of this from 2010 until 2018, so they're starting to realize the cause and effect on their actions and choices and heading into a better direction.

Listening is the whole key, and sharing perspectives, working together, and this is something Generation X is learning to do with Millennials, and at the same time we understand that Baby Boomers are used to doing things their way or the highway. They do love running the show, and we have had our own moments with Baby Boomers as professors, teachers, leaders in our community.

My group anyway was deemed the worst class of 1989. And so they say the same thing about Millennials, but in a different way.

This is just a normal phase of generations coming and going, but we personally just are in a different experience with all the new technologies, medicine, medical, communication systems, Networks, Networking, and on a Global Scale instead of the local Micro level, small speck on the earth, home town. This is impacting the worlds populations. We will have to see what happens the next 10 years, but frankly, the Baby Boomer Era is over with how society interacted on many platforms.

Generation X knows where the wholes are in the systems Baby Boomers built, and it's a natural process, that everything is upgraded, changed, and moved forward. Millennials will eventually see the wholes in what Generation X builds, and Generation Z will see the wholes in Millennials systems. I believe this is just evolution. As your experience happens for a reason, so when I look where I've been in life, I understand I saw many systems, and how they didn't work. Now you see, M.J. with a book that discusses the old retirement plan does't work for future Generations. He illustrates things that need revamped. It's kind of like passing on the torch, and what Millennials create, depends on what information Generation X reveals about many systems and platforms. If you don't have all the information, see where the problems are, you can't adjust, adapt, and problem shoot.

We all do our part. When I'm the same age as Boomers in their 70's and 80's, than I will probably go through the same process and think what a strange group the younger group is and what kind of trouble are they making. It's just because when you're older, you're conditioned, in your comfort zone, and want things to stay the same. Although I have some relatives that refuse to get off the stage, and it is because they enjoy being an Entrepreneur, and being the leader. I think many of them do, but sometimes they just have to admit, it's time to get off stage, and allow others to take the lead.
 

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People seem to engender some type of great love for the era they were born in. But really, it's irrelevant to me. To me it's always been about MINDSET. There are some who have it and some who don't.

I once had a business professor, the one professor I loved most of all, and he had great passion and energy for his craft: Business and entrepreneurship. He was a Boomer. I am a millennial. He was possibly one of the most intelligent business minds I've ever met, certainly greater than any single person on that campus. He had it. It. The mindset, the power, the love of business, the high energy, American spirit kind of guy. Would I get along with him? Of course. I never missed a lesson no matter what, I absorbed every single minute of his classes.

I've met boomers and millennials who I would consider dead. Dead as dirt. The dead look in their eyes. They live their miserable lives. Work. Eat. Sleep. Live. A 65 year old with the right mindset is always more enjoyable to spend time with then an apathetic 18 year old.

Most people are energy-draining zombies that waste time and drain life. Spend time with the right mindset and open your mind. When it comes to business, age truly is just a number. There are many great older enterprises as well as many new and upcoming ones (mainly internet-based), learn from all of the greats and discard the nobodies.
 

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I believe huge change is coming in this generation, and it will either take the form of bitterness or of generousity. And this will trigger soon, in the next 10-15 years.
Gotta remember, BOOMERS still hold all the keys, and once the keys start dropping to the floor, thats when you'll see it change.

To make the point that millenials have power right now, or should is preposterous, are we meant to beat people doing it longer? No, once you see the average millenial have some power you'll see a change, until then it is just speculation based on your own confirmation biases.

You're absolutely right. There is huge change coming.

But I don't believe for a second that it will be for the better, and certainly not in any form of "generous."

I have three sons that are millennials. The one wish I had as they were entering adulthood was that they never named smart phones to be smart. Every whiz bang kid that can operate a phone fast actually believes they are smart. Then the get a whiz bang app and twitter their friends, and that's all it takes. Off they go on their delusional journey, thinking they are smarter than everyone else. I've seen it hundreds of times, even first hand with my own sons.

Well, guess what? Us old fogie boomers were here a long time before you were, and we do know a lot. The difference is we use common sense - not apps. And we relate to people directly, not twittering and facebooking every hour of the day. Social skills. You should see what I can do when I combine my skills with the modern apps and techno gadgets of today. You'll understand in about ten or twenty years.

I just saw the move Jumanji, the Jungle (or something like that). At the end of the movie the young adventurers wake up to the real world and are markingly different people. Immensely more aware of the rest of the world - much more mature - and a whole lot LESS full of themselves. That hit the nail on the head of what is wrong with millennials - but they won't even see that message. It's there in plain sight, and is a powerful message, but it will be missed. Funny, in a way...

So carry on - good luck - and maybe learn a little respect for someone that's been in a real job for a few DECADES more than you have, and probably knows a few things more than you do.

And by the way, I'm not a cookie cutter boomer that only knows how to do things in my own little bubble - I have ran my own company, ran departments and supervised many self-absorbed naive youngsters that thought they were super heroes, and now I'm embarking on even bigger and better things. With time comes experience. With experience comes knowledge. You can learn from that, or you can don your cape and be a super hero all day long, every day.

You don't even know what you don't know.

This is not a rant, by the way. I tell my sons the same thing, hoping to make them aware of the real world and how to embrace it for their benefit. You're welcome, very much.
 
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People seem to engender some type of great love for the era they were born in. But really, it's irrelevant to me. To me it's always been about MINDSET. There are some who have it and some who don't.

I once had a business professor, the one professor I loved most of all, and he had great passion and energy for his craft: Business and entrepreneurship. He was a Boomer. I am a millennial. He was possibly one of the most intelligent business minds I've ever met, certainly greater than any single person on that campus. He had it. It. The mindset, the power, the love of business, the high energy, American spirit kind of guy. Would I get along with him? Of course. I never missed a lesson no matter what, I absorbed every single minute of his classes.

I've met boomers and millennials who I would consider dead. Dead as dirt. The dead look in their eyes. They live their miserable lives. Work. Eat. Sleep. Live. A 65 year old with the right mindset is always more enjoyable to spend time with then an apathetic 18 year old.

Most people are energy-draining zombies that waste time and drain life. Spend time with the right mindset and open your mind. When it comes to business, age truly is just a number. There are many great older enterprises as well as many new and upcoming ones (mainly internet-based), learn from all of the greats and discard the nobodies.

What an utterly fantastic post.

You and I have the most important trait a person can have - we "absorb" knowledge when we encounter it. Although I could write a book, or teach a class, myself in a similar way that your favorite professor did, I have other things to do. Nevertheless, with the considerable knowledge that I have accumulated, I still am a sponge, absorbing everything that comes my way, and seeking out new knowledge proactively.

The more I know, the more I realize how much more I need to know. MJ's book was a great door opener for me, which is why I'm here.

You, my friend, will be very successful in life. You will leap ahead of your peers because you are wide open to improving. You have learned to tame and control your ego and remain a life long learner. So many people stop learning when they think they actually have things figured out. Never happens. But they don't know that.

Another trait that successful people have is they realize they can't do everything, and they recognize their weaknesses. So they build a team, or better yet, a mastermind group, and multiply their knowledge and efforts. YOU are exactly the type of person I would love to have on my team. You are a rare individual, and I assure you that you are already successful. The money and rewards will come - they are not the measure of success - they are the byproducts of it.

Congratulations on figuring all this out so early in life. So many never do.
 

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You're absolutely right. There is huge change coming.

But I don't believe for a second that it will be for the better, and certainly not in any form of "generous."

I have three sons that are millennials. The one wish I had as they were entering adulthood was that they never named smart phones to be smart. Every whiz bang kid that can operate a phone fast actually believes they are smart. Then the get a whiz bang app and twitter their friends, and that's all it takes. Off they go on their delusional journey, thinking they are smarter than everyone else. I've seen it hundreds of times, even first hand with my own sons.

Well, guess what? Us old fogie boomers were here a long time before you were, and we do know a lot. The difference is we use common sense - not apps. And we relate to people directly, not twittering and facebooking every hour of the day. Social skills. You should see what I can do when I combine my skills with the modern apps and techno gadgets of today. You'll understand in about ten or twenty years.

I just saw the move Jumanji, the Jungle (or something like that). At the end of the movie the young adventurers wake up to the real world and are markingly different people. Immensely more aware of the rest of the world - much more mature - and a whole lot LESS full of themselves. That hit the nail on the head of what is wrong with millennials - but they won't even see that message. It's there in plain sight, and is a powerful message, but it will be missed. Funny, in a way...

So carry on - good luck - and maybe learn a little respect for someone that's been in a real job for a few DECADES more than you have, and probably knows a few things more than you do.

And by the way, I'm not a cookie cutter boomer that only knows how to do things in my own little bubble - I have ran my own company, ran departments and supervised many self-absorbed naive youngsters that thought they were super heroes, and now I'm embarking on even bigger and better things. With time comes experience. With experience comes knowledge. You can learn from that, or you can don your cape and be a super hero all day long, every day.

You don't even know what you don't know.

This is not a rant, by the way. I tell my sons the same thing, hoping to make them aware of the real world and how to embrace it for their benefit. You're welcome, very much.

Lol, boomers...
Need I say more?

You are not the oracle of delphi
No one is coming to you and paying you a quarter for your prophetic visions of their souls

Do millenials come up to you and tell you what is going to happen to you?
No, you know why?
Cuz they don't talk to people they don't trust the opinion of.

Instead of telling your kids their generation is stupid and going to turn out badly
Look at some facts, like...
All millenials make 20% less than boomers did at the same age and have HALF the assets, doing the same or similar jobs etc

All that stuff you ascribe to hard work is called priviledge
You know how you got it?

WW2 which then led to your parents being "artists" as a generation, and quiet and removed, so guess who got all those jobs nice and easy without any competition from your folks? You guys!

You act like there is no CONTEXT that contributes to your condition, which is delusional boomer thinking.
I've worked for over a decade, I don't need people telling me about iphones, I don't even have an iphone, nor do I build apps, bro marketers and silicon valley guys do that. If all you can do is cherry pick and generalize, its no wonder your generation is so easily manipulated to believe PROPOGANDA about millenials, they just feed you back your already corrupted bias, and you greedily eat it up.

Boomers are so darn entitled, so pompous, and wrong.

We are carrying you guys, and thats what you left us with, a HUGE BALL AND CHAIN cuz you are too dumb to see your own privaledge.

(mostly said hyperbolic and in good humor)
I ain't got no love for this pompous stuff though gtfo with that ridiculous nonsense
 

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Lol, boomers...
Need I say more?

You are not the oracle of delphi
No one is coming to you and paying you a quarter for your prophetic visions of their souls

Do millenials come up to you and tell you what is going to happen to you?
No, you know why?
Cuz they don't talk to people they don't trust the opinion of.

Instead of telling your kids their generation is stupid and going to turn out badly
Look at some facts, like...
All millenials make 20% less than boomers did at the same age and have HALF the assets, doing the same or similar jobs etc

All that stuff you ascribe to hard work is called priviledge
You know how you got it?

WW2 which then led to your parents being "artists" as a generation, and quiet and removed, so guess who got all those jobs nice and easy without any competition from your folks? You guys!

You act like there is no CONTEXT that contributes to your condition, which is delusional boomer thinking.
I've worked for over a decade, I don't need people telling me about iphones, I don't even have an iphone, nor do I build apps, bro marketers and silicon valley guys do that. If all you can do is cherry pick and generalize, its no wonder your generation is so easily manipulated to believe PROPOGANDA about millenials, they just feed you back your already corrupted bias, and you greedily eat it up.

Boomers are so darn entitled, so pompous, and wrong.

We are carrying you guys, and thats what you left us with, a HUGE BALL AND CHAIN cuz you are too dumb to see your own privaledge.

(mostly said hyperbolic and in good humor)
I ain't got no love for this pompous stuff though gtfo with that ridiculous nonsense

Did this thread hit a nerve? Lol

I actually dislike my generation (Y), they are a bunch of idiots ( Millennials Eating Washing Tablets Thanks To Stupid 'Tide Pod Challenge' ) that believe what the TV says, less morals, hardly thinks for themselves... Because why need to if you got a cell phone to do it for you.

Laziness is rewarded. Oh and they want stuff for free... Just. Don't. Get. Me. Started.

Leo
 
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Lol, boomers...
Need I say more?

You are not the oracle of delphi
No one is coming to you and paying you a quarter for your prophetic visions of their souls

Do millenials come up to you and tell you what is going to happen to you?
No, you know why?
Cuz they don't talk to people they don't trust the opinion of.

Instead of telling your kids their generation is stupid and going to turn out badly
Look at some facts, like...
All millenials make 20% less than boomers did at the same age and have HALF the assets, doing the same or similar jobs etc

All that stuff you ascribe to hard work is called priviledge
You know how you got it?

WW2 which then led to your parents being "artists" as a generation, and quiet and removed, so guess who got all those jobs nice and easy without any competition from your folks? You guys!

You act like there is no CONTEXT that contributes to your condition, which is delusional boomer thinking.
I've worked for over a decade, I don't need people telling me about iphones, I don't even have an iphone, nor do I build apps, bro marketers and silicon valley guys do that. If all you can do is cherry pick and generalize, its no wonder your generation is so easily manipulated to believe PROPOGANDA about millenials, they just feed you back your already corrupted bias, and you greedily eat it up.

Boomers are so darn entitled, so pompous, and wrong.

We are carrying you guys, and thats what you left us with, a HUGE BALL AND CHAIN cuz you are too dumb to see your own privaledge.

(mostly said hyperbolic and in good humor)
I ain't got no love for this pompous stuff though gtfo with that ridiculous nonsense

Like I said, you don't even know what you don't know. Yes, I have people coming to me. I don't know these people - they find me on their own. Why do you suppose that is? Am I an oracle? You watch too many movies I think.

It's because I am highly skilled at what I do, and I can train people to be their own boss, work their own hours, make over 100K a year and LOVE their job. Wow. Two out of three of those make most people happy. I've trained six people how to do exactly that. Maybe I am an oracle of some sort after all? I don't train them anymore though, because it is too difficult to babysit, supervise, and double check all their work. I just do the work myself, in half the time, and make a lot more money.

Do I believe the propaganda? What propaganda? Are you reading the government data about the average income, average age, average IQ, and average attention span of the people that believe all that crap? You know what? It doesn't matter what the average anything is. Nobody is average. I know a few people below average, I know a lot above average, and I know a handful that are superstars. Compared to me they're superstars. One good friend of mine is a multi-millionaire. His mentor and business partner is a billionaire. It's all relative. King Kong to me is just a chimp to someone else higher up the food chain.

Congrats on working over a decade. That's a good start. Call me in 20 more years and we'll see how things went for you. I'll tell you one thing - knowing what I know now, if I was 30 years younger I would be a millionaire within five years. Us boomers didn't have a google standing by that we could ask any question to. We figured things out the hard way. We didn't have any books on how to start/run/grow a business either. Now there are hundreds. I'm writing some, in fact, using my vast experience as an oracle. You know, experience does count. If you'll remember, MJ related many failures he encountered on his own journeys. I'm sure he is tremendously smarter today because of his experience. But you go ahead and think you can figure it all out on your own. I've already seen posts here that are so innocent and naive, they're kind of embarrassing. I was the same way when I started my first company when I was 25. Without the help of google or tailor made books to guide my every step. And I dominated my industry. I was booked solid by clients for over TWO years. Yes, my calendar was FULL of paying customers for two years. I'll even clue you in as to what that was. Video production. That's a technical field that pays very well, and still does today. I still do it today, but not as a business of its own - it is a marketing tool for the other TWO business ventures that I'm in - soon to be more. I don't do it on its own anymore because it's too time consuming. I got out of it because I can't sell myself forward for years, and I couldn't duplicate myself through hired help. Now, I make more money doing other things.

I am thinking about writing a book on how I trained the six people to make over 100K in their own business, working from home. I don't want to divulge that information, but after reading the Fastlane, I'm thinking that would be a huge seller. It's not a pipe dream - I've been doing it for 18 years. It funds my other start ups, in fact.

Hate to say it, but you're too far gone. One of my sons has your attitude. He thinks he can game the system, con people, and complains about how he's at such an unfair disadvantage. You did read the Fastlane book right? There is a chapter on owning your life, your choices, and the results of those choices. You should reread that. Ten or fifteen times, in fact. Count your strengths - young, smart, energy, time, unlimited technology - all on your side. No reason whatsoever to be average in the world we live in today. Yet, I know a dozen college grads that have been looking for a job in their fields for over a year. I guess college can't teach you practical problem solving skills - only how to take orders from others that can see the big picture - and guide - and lead - and manage. So much more to life isn't there? I don't have a degree, by the way. I employ people that do, however.

Now I have some reading and learning to do. I need to invent a time machine, and maybe somebody here can help me out on that. I'll go back to the disadvantaged youth of today and own the world in two years or less. Millennials, minorities, and spoiled brats. We sure got em. Meanwhile, dirt poor people from Mexico are trying to get here to prosper. But we have our whiners telling everyone how bad it is. Hmmm. Sorry - I don't speak that language.
 
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Like I said, you don't even know what you don't know. Yes, I have people coming to me. I don't know these people - they find me on their own. Why do you suppose that is? Am I an oracle? You watch too many movies I think.

It's because I am highly skilled at what I do, and I can train people to be their own boss, work their own hours, make over 100K a year and LOVE their job. Wow. Two out of three of those make most people happy. I've trained six people how to do exactly that. Maybe I am an oracle of some sort after all? I don't train them anymore though, because it is too difficult to babysit, supervise, and double check all their work. I just do the work myself, in half the time, and make a lot more money.

Do I believe the propaganda? What propaganda? Are you reading the government data about the average income, average age, average IQ, and average attention span of the people that believe all that crap? You know what? It doesn't matter what the average anything is. Nobody is average. I know a few people below average, I know a lot above average, and I know a handful that are superstars. Compared to me they're superstars. One good friend of mine is a multi-millionaire. His mentor and business partner is a billionaire. It's all relative. King Kong to me is just a chimp to someone else higher up the food chain.

Congrats on working over a decade. That's a good start. Call me in 20 more years and we'll see how things went for you. I'll tell you one thing - knowing what I know now, if I was 30 years younger I would be a millionaire within five years. Us boomers didn't have a google standing by that we could ask any question to. We figured things out the hard way. We didn't have any books on how to start/run/grow a business either. Now there are hundreds. I'm writing some, in fact, using my vast experience as an oracle. You know, experience does count. If you'll remember, MJ related many failures he encountered on his own journeys. I'm sure he is tremendously smarter today because of his experience. But you go ahead and think you can figure it all out on your own. I've already seen posts here that are so innocent and naive, they're kind of embarrassing. I was the same way when I started my first company when I was 25. Without the help of google or tailor made books to guide my every step. And I dominated my industry. I was booked solid by clients for over TWO years. Yes, my calendar was FULL of paying customers for two years. I'll even clue you in as to what that was. Video production. That's a technical field that pays very well, and still does today. I still do it today, but not as a business of its own - it is a marketing tool for the other TWO business ventures that I'm in - soon to be more. I don't do it on its own anymore because it's too time consuming. I got out of it because I can't sell myself forward for years, and I couldn't duplicate myself through hired help. Now, I make more money doing other things.

I am thinking about writing a book on how I trained the six people to make over 100K in their own business, working from home. I don't want to divulge that information, but after reading the Fastlane, I'm thinking that would be a huge seller. It's not a pipe dream - I've been doing it for 18 years. It funds my other start ups, in fact.

Hate to say it, but you're too far gone. One of my sons has your attitude. He thinks he can game the system, con people, and complains about how he's at such an unfair disadvantage. You did read the Fastlane book right? There is a chapter on owning your life, your choices, and the results of those choices. You should reread that. Ten or fifteen times, in fact. Count your strengths - young, smart, energy, time, unlimited technology - all on your side. No reason whatsoever to be average in the world we live in today. Yet, I know a dozen college grads that have been looking for a job in their fields for over a year. I guess college can't teach you practical problem solving skills - only how to take orders from others that can see the big picture - and guide - and lead - and manage. So much more to life isn't there? I don't have a degree, by the way. I employ people that do, however.

Now I have some reading and learning to do. I need to invent a time machine, and maybe somebody here can help me out on that. I'll go back to the disadvantaged youth of today and own the world in two years or less. Millennials, minorities, and spoiled brats. We sure got em. Meanwhile, dirt poor people from Mexico are trying to get here to prosper. But we have our whiners telling everyone how bad it is. Hmmm. Sorry - I don't speak that language.

Guess what, I'm a home owner, have written several books that were decent money makers, lived and worked as I've travelled and worked as a consultant for many years now as my own boss. Now with contracts with a large company. I also have a tremendous array of skills.

I'm sorry but any delusion you have of one upping me is destined to crash and burn,
I also have no desire to compete in pissing contests of who is superior to who. Notice I never said boomers were stupid, that is something you alone are guilty of, attacking another generation to compensate for your own needy and obsessive bs.

I just don't take crap from boomers
When I know the truth, that everything you criticise in millenials came from your entitled mindsets being pushed onto us as children. You push it on your kids and when they reflect this lazy side of yourself you start cackling and acting like a bully. And because of this terrible behaviour pattern we have to clean up your crap, clear twice the amount of nonsense out of our heads. Its tedious and you are ignorant of your double standards, strawman arguements, and its burden. Which is sad, cuz you say you love your kids but choose to act as a superior rather than ever listen or act as an equal human being. You call one of your own kids a con artist, which maybe he got cuz he embodies something you passed onto him. I btw, conned nobody, heck even at a stage where I was starving I gave money to the homeless, kneeled down, gave em respect then worked my hardest to alter the situation because integrity is more important than desperation.

You say "I know more" pffft, I'd say you know only what you needed to know, and while its 95% the same stuff, the 5% you didn't learn makes you too slow witted to get anyone elses pov but your own.

Look I really don't care, boomers are a-holes to millenials, thats just how it goes.
But you want people to worship you like a god, thats so sad and pathetic. How do you expect to have any persons respect who has self respect when you act like a dope? I mean really, you are what 60, and get off on yelling at some 30 year old that you "might write a book"

Get a clue
30 years might seperate you and me, but nothing makes you even slightly better
 
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generalizations are misleading, but there are more millennials than boomers who exhibit these problems, by a lot. As a millennial consultant, a lot of the shitstorms i help fix are caused ny reckless, power-tripping boomers with Jupiter egos.


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Notice I never said boomers were stupid, that is something you alone are guilty of, attacking another generation to compensate for your own needy and obsessive bs.

Look I really don't care, boomers are a-holes to millenials, thats just how it goes.

I btw, conned nobody, heck even at a stage where I was starving I gave money to the homeless, kneeled down, gave em respect then worked my hardest to alter the situation because integrity is more important than desperation.

I don't see any kneeling down attitude, nor even basic respect.

I also have no desire to compete in pissing contests of who is superior to who.

Get a clue
30 years might seperate you and me, but nothing makes you even slightly better

I'd hate to see how much you'd piss if you WOULD engage in a pissing contest.

When I know the truth, that everything you criticise in millenials came from your entitled mindsets being pushed onto us as children. You push it on your kids and when they reflect this lazy side of yourself you start cackling and acting like a bully.

Um, I don't bully anyone. On the other hand, I offer a lot of advice and help, which is pretty substantial being based on over 30 years of 'progressive' experience in different areas. From you, however, I see very little constructive commentary. I do see a lot of offensive attacks. Drop the offense and defense tactics. They are not needed, and only hurt yourself. You are not a star quarterback, and this is not a championship playoff.

I also am certainly not entitled. I've worked, starting at age 11, for everything I've ever had. And no, I didn't do it all on my own in life - I worked to learn, and I used what I learned to do better. No handouts - no favors - no entitlements. Where do you come up with this stuff?

You are competing with yourself only - not me or anyone else. And nobody is, or has been, holding you back. Drop the blame game. Not only is that NOT productive, it's actually counterproductive.

Your enemy is not me, nor anyone else, and certainly not boomers, in any way. You have a super strong victim mentality, despite your achievements and potential. So sad. I know a lot about that, because I had to overcome it myself. Imagine how much better you could be without this ball and chain that hold you back - and, yes, they do affect you and stifle your potential. Get help and drop this needless burden that you carry. That, my friend, are words of ENCOURAGEMENT, that I would tell my own son, or anyone else that doesn't deserve to harbor the anger and resentment that you do.


But you want people to worship you like a god, thats so sad and pathetic. How do you expect to have any persons respect who has self respect when you act like a dope?

Despite my accomplishments, I long ago dropped any need to have any recognition or praise. I am my own critic, and believe me, that is enough. I certainly don't expect to be a god to anyone, in any fashion whatsoever. You really lash out, don't you? Try holding back and see what happens - you might get more favorable results. You have a super strong tendency to PROJECT your own made up conclusions onto other people, which frankly, is very unhealthy and unproductive.

Reread MJ's Fastlane book. Then do some deep soul searching. That is not criticism. That is just good old fashioned advice, from the heart, to help you.
 
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I dont think this thread de-evolving into a pissing match is what he had in mind lol

The entertainment value might not quite be at Lord Phenny or Tanisha level- but shit, It’s still pretty good.

Microwaved pizza with a side of ranch.
 
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I never felt like a millenial, luckily they found a new label for me:

I'm a Xennial!!

In all seriousness: 90% of all people in my country don't even know what a millennial is. Not because they're stupid, but because media isn't that influential like in the US. Some people benefit a lot by labeling some types of people.

In my opinion: it's all a part of the script: millennials are stimulated to behave like millennials. That way they form an ideal target for marketeers.

It's like the whole introvert/extrovert discussion. Most people are probably in the middle, but seek comfort (and excuses) by labeling themselves.
 

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Guess what, I'm a home owner, have written several books that were decent money makers, lived and worked as I've travelled and worked as a consultant for many years now as my own boss. Now with contracts with a large company. I also have a tremendous array of skills.

I have to say one very important thing. This is crucial for millennials (and everyone else, of course) to know.

Not only can millennials be the greatest, most successful, generation the world has ever seen, but they can be MANY times greater than anything that has come before them.

Now, think about that. Why is that? Just stop and ponder that for a moment.

That's because they can stand on the shoulders of everyone that has come before them, and they have unfathomable assets to work with. Time, mainly. Unlimited knowledge through the internet, for another. And most of all, nothing - NOTHING - holding them back.

Never in my wildest dreams did I envision the day when I could type in ANY question into a computer and get an instant response. My own private tutor - on call 24/7. This alone is astounding.

And then the books just waiting to be consumed (wink, wink MJ) that will propel any who read them at light speed towards success. Advance to GO. Solid advice on how to become not "just" successful, but an entire new category of success that didn't even EXIST before. No more climbing the corporate ladder for years and achieving a corner office with a great view. Now, it is possible to OWN the building, and the entire block, that has the office with the great view. Un fathom able.

For a tune that we don't hear very often, if at all - try this one on for size... the world SALUTES the millennials and eagerly anticipates their accomplishments that will far exceed past benchmarks in every category!

“People Who Are Crazy Enough To Think They Can Change The World, Are The Ones Who Do.”- Rob Siltanen
 
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I have to say one very important thing. This is crucial for millennials (and everyone else, of course) to know.

Not only can millennials be the greatest, most successful, generation the world has ever seen, but they can be MANY times greater than anything that has come before them.
I agree with that point actually
Now, think about that. Why is that? Just stop and ponder that for a moment.

That's because they can stand on the shoulders of everyone that has come before them, and they have unfathomable assets to work with. Time, mainly. Unlimited knowledge through the internet, for another. And most of all, nothing - NOTHING - holding them back.
They have something holding them back though, the ability to lead without being pushed
IOW, initiative

I know myself how hard that is to develop in a vacuum.
It takes wrestling a lot of aggressive stuff inside yourself.
Cuz our minds start with a lot of bs
Never in my wildest dreams did I envision the day when I could type in ANY question into a computer and get an instant response. My own private tutor - on call 24/7. This alone is astounding.

And then the books just waiting to be consumed (wink, wink MJ) that will propel any who read them at light speed towards success.
Eh, not really. I mean in some areas that is definately true, but a lot of things are vague and not well answered,
I mean you can give HJs to MJ all day long, but he really only talks one specific area of business mentality

I compare this to say dance, you can go to dance classes and get instruction on absolutely every kind of step or movement imaginable. And that comes from ORAL TRADITION
I would say that as a result of the oral tradition there it has fleshed out a lot of knowledge. With entrepreneurship, there isn't really any established oral tradition going on, just bits and pieces. So in some areas, having the internet helps to gather some pieces, but it certainly doesn't give you a straight shot.

Almost everything I've learned, the vast majority of it came from myself. I literally have notebooks full of thoughts and notes on things that help me acquire skills.
I use the internet as supplementary. Since it has a lot of holes.

In some areas though, its good. Like searching for results on newest science etc. But whatever you are looking up it has to be "figured out" to really be as helpful as you suggest. And I think you are being too rose colored glasses about it.

I remember my pops alway saying "I wish I could have gone to university!"
But, guess what... I never went either.
Know why?
I realised it was a load of BS

Same thing applies to internet stuff, a lot of it is red herrings and nonsense. You can't just blindly say "its all good".
In SOME AREAS it is astounding, in others it is weak.
Advance to GO. Solid advice on how to become not "just" successful, but an entire new category of success that didn't even EXIST before. No more climbing the corporate ladder for years and achieving a corner office with a great view. Now, it is possible to OWN the building, and the entire block, that has the office with the great view. Un fathom able.
Not so sure that is true for most
Most get out of university and college with debt
Their degree doesn't get them all that awesome of a job
And plenty then end up working at minimum wage jobs until they are 30

The minimum wage etc stopped increasing with inflation back in the 80s
Meaning, while productivity has gone UP at a steady rate, wages stayed stagnant

Why stay stagnant?
Because thats the easiest way to lower wages
You pull the wool over peoples eyes and say "shh it was never better, it was always this way"
Back in the boomer era, you'd have an industrial job or whatever
But the equivalent nowadays is working in walmart or something
Way less respect, no unions, just tedious bs
Not even treated as a "real job" or profession

Its just that millenials are conventient cannon fodder
"hey you are young, just starting out don't worry about it"
And then the person wakes up middle aged with nothing their whole life.
Where the same person 30 years ago made 20% more, had some respect, and had twice the amount of assets.
For a tune that we don't hear very often, if at all - try this one on for size... the world SALUTES the millennials and eagerly anticipates their accomplishments that will far exceed past benchmarks in every category!

“People Who Are Crazy Enough To Think They Can Change The World, Are The Ones Who Do.”- Rob Siltanen

Don't hold your breath waiting for mankind to get initiative
Its the rarest trait for people to develop

But, what I do agree with is
IF MILLENIALS CAN MANAGE TO STAND ON OTHERS SHOULDERS THEY'LL DO GREAT

Bit hard to do though
 

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I'm not sure that I blame the boomers.

IMO, the media is to blame in a large way. Some people are able to see when media is pushing an agendas that isn't true or when news is fake. Many people can't tell, they're asleep.

I notice some people when they watch TV, they go into trance. I've seen guys sit through a tampon commercial without blinking. When in this state, concepts that are repeated over and over become someones truth.

The brainwashing being pushed has several angles to it depending on who's doing it.

The easiest brainwashing to see is in commercials. Notice how if there's a man and a women in a commercial, the man is always the dumb one, and the women is always the one saving the day. Pay attention the next time you watch commercials. When you wake up to this form of brainwahsing, then realize, that's the tip of an iceburg...
Also imagine what that does to the subconscious of a young boy who's never seen different.

I think that's 30% of the problem.

Another big problem is any millennial who's self aware knows AI/Robotics/Outsourcing is going to kill any chance of a long term career. Spend 5-10 years mastering a craft that will pay dividends for 30 years? Good luck with that... But if jobs and industries disappear almost as fast as you can learn them, then what do you do? Hence, some of their values.

Another big part of the problem I think is that consuming content doesn't activate the prefrontal cortex. When you're just looking at your phone every 2 minutes the important part of your brain is asleep. Not like when you go outside and go explore or go figure something out. I think they may be developing brain issues where they can't think properly because their prefrontal has atrophied.

Just my guess at the problem.
 

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What captured me was the "AND BOOMERS ARE TO BLAME". That is typical, a millennial not taking responsibility.
 
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Its just that millenials are conventient cannon fodder
"hey you are young, just starting out don't worry about it"
And then the person wakes up middle aged with nothing their whole life.
Where the same person 30 years ago made 20% more, had some respect, and had twice the amount of assets.

You got it. But that's certainly not a new thing. I waded through the same swamp (and still am)!

Information is there for you to be spoon fed, steered, manipulated, and controlled. Universities are designed to mold you into a productive employee. The naked truth is there, but is covered in half truths and riddles. Very much like the ultimate video game - I'll call it life.

All anyone can hope for is to break through somehow and grab a piece of the truth and grow it into something tangible and productive. And then when you do that, it isn't long before your scent is picked up and now you have also contend with the wild dogs that are after your prize. As if building something worthwhile wasn't enough all by itself!

That's the bad news.

The good news is that in today's world of knowledge at our fingertips, this process can be greatly accelerated. What took years before, can now take days. We can monitor the hits, the bounces, the rankings - and everything in between - in an instant, on our instant business in a box. Open the box, apply a domain name, add water, and bake for 60 minutes - and you got a shiny new business. I mean, really - look how much raw power is at our fingertips TODAY versus just a few years ago. And we don't even have to build it ourselves - we can assemble the pieces like building blocks - already made for us. Can it get any easier? I might open four more business ventures this weekend alone! Wow. Just. Plain. Wow.

But first, we have to be digging for gold in the right place. It takes just as much effort to dig a salt mine as it does a gold mine. That's where MJ will have my eternal gratitude - for uncovering the myths and taking a solid stand on HOW and WHY his methods are better. And that he did, very well.

I am still searching for the pieces to assemble my rocket ship. I think I have them. But before I launch, I want to make sure that other guy hasn't built a missile and will blow me out of the sky and run with my idea. As far as I've been able to figure that part out, it happens every time. So, I'm fully expecting it to happen to me. My plan is not to only launch my rocket, but to have shields in place so it is impervious to attack. It can be done, but I don't feel secure in the limited knowledge I have at this point to be effective. Loot and plunder is one strategy. My strategy is to NOT be the victim of that.

So, despite the information not being complete, or not direct enough, or even flawed - it is immensely more than we've ever had before. On that, there is no comparison. We have to run with it. Steve Jobs was up against incredible odds. Mark Zuckerberg figured it out as he went, step by step. Michael Dell was pretty damn sure of himself, and had the cahoonas to just force success, more or less - I like THAT kind of guy! And, weirdest of all - Mark Cuban started out in the SAME industry that I was in - but he saw the big picture and rode the wave to success. I was selling peanuts on the beach, while he was hanging ten. Shit - live and learn... And learn I did. I also could have taken the same route that Steven Spielberg and George Lucas did - but I didn't. I didn't throw myself into the vortex of success cause I had too little confidence and knowledge, and too much doubt in myself. Look at the results of that! Shit... again!

This time, however, I've been in the ring. I've been in the fight and I've learned that I do have a lot of advantages. But what is more important in fighting - hitting or defending? THERE you go - that's the ticket - you need BOTH to SURVIVE. So many think just hitting (launching a product or service) is enough, and you can sit back and wait for the money to roll in. That's a good philosophy, right up until the upper hook knocks you to your knees, that is...

That's my take on things. I've failed a lot. I've had a lot of success, but it's been limited. For everything that's happened I've taken hits and I've learned from that.

With the sheer power to launch a business - within an hour if I really wanted to - I can accrelate the process on a scale of at least 100 to 1 compared to what used to be the rules of success.

Unleash the power. Dream big. But most of all, make sure your rocket is pointed in the RIGHT direction - or that you will find and mine gold, and not salt.

It's not so hard. Easy in fact. And the only one - the ONLY one that can hold you or I back from our full potential is our worst enemy. The one we can't win an argument with. Yes - that's your Mom. No, just kidding - it's you. Or I.

Henry Ford said this - whether you believe you can, or you can't - you're right!!!
 
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You got it. But that's certainly not a new thing. I waded through the same swamp (and still am)!

Information is there for you to be spoon fed, steered, manipulated, and controlled. Universities are designed to mold you into a productive employee. The naked truth is there, but is covered in half truths and riddles. Very much like the ultimate video game - I'll call it life.

All anyone can hope for is to break through somehow and grab a piece of the truth and grow it into something tangible and productive. And then when you do that, it isn't long before your scent is picked up and now you have also contend with the wild dogs that are after your prize. As if building something worthwhile wasn't enough all by itself!

That's the bad news.

The good news is that in today's world of knowledge at our fingertips, this process can be greatly accelerated. What took years before, can now take days. We can monitor the hits, the bounces, the rankings - and everything in between - in an instant, on our instant business in a box. Open the box, apply a domain name, add water, and bake for 60 minutes - and you got a shiny new business. I mean, really - look how much raw power is at our fingertips TODAY versus just a few years ago. And we don't even have to build it ourselves - we can assemble the pieces like building blocks - already made for us. Can it get any easier? I might open four more business ventures this weekend alone! Wow. Just. Plain. Wow.

But first, we have to be digging for gold in the right place. It takes just as much effort to dig a salt mine as it does a gold mine. That's where MJ will have my eternal gratitude - for uncovering the myths and taking a solid stand on HOW and WHY his methods are better. And that he did, very well.

I am still searching for the pieces to assemble my rocket ship. I think I have them. But before I launch, I want to make sure that other guy hasn't built a missile and will blow me out of the sky and run with my idea. As far as I've been able to figure that part out, it happens every time. So, I'm fully expecting it to happen to me. My plan is not to only launch my rocket, but to have shields in place so it is impervious to attack. It can be done, but I don't feel secure in the limited knowledge I have at this point to be effective. Loot and plunder is one strategy. My strategy is to NOT be the victim of that.

So, despite the information not being complete, or not direct enough, or even flawed - it is immensely more than we've ever had before. On that, there is no comparison. We have to run with it. Steve Jobs was up against incredible odds. Mark Zuckerberg figured it out as he went, step by step. Michael Dell was pretty damn sure of himself, and had the cahoonas to just force success, more or less - I like THAT kind of guy! And, weirdest of all - Mark Cuban started out in the SAME industry that I was in - but he saw the big picture and rode the wave to success. I was selling peanuts on the beach, while he was hanging ten. sh*t - live and learn... And learn I did. I also could have taken the same route that Steven Spielberg and George Lucas did - but I didn't. I didn't throw myself into the vortex of success cause I had too little confidence and knowledge, and too much doubt in myself. Look at the results of that! sh*t... again!

This time, however, I've been in the ring. I've been in the fight and I've learned that I do have a lot of advantages. But what is more important in fighting - hitting or defending? THERE you go - that's the ticket - you need BOTH to SURVIVE. So many think just hitting (launching a product or service) is enough, and you can sit back and wait for the money to roll in. That's a good philosophy, right up until the upper hook knocks you to your knees, that is...

That's my take on things. I've failed a lot. I've had a lot of success, but it's been limited. For everything that's happened I've taken hits and I've learned from that.

With the sheer power to launch a business - within an hour if I really wanted to - I can accrelate the process on a scale of at least 100 to 1 compared to what used to be the rules of success.

Unleash the power. Dream big. But most of all, make sure your rocket is pointed in the RIGHT direction - or that you will find and mine gold, and not salt.

It's not so hard. Easy in fact. And the only one - the ONLY one that can hold you or I back from our full potential is our worst enemy. The one we can't win an argument with. Yes - that's your Mom. No, just kidding - it's you. Or I.

Henry Ford said this - whether you believe you can, or you can't - you're right!!!

Yeah, I know what you mean regarding defense
I studied a lot of chess and poker for this actually
Poker because its all about probability and reading and managing risk
and cuz you need to punch hard, take as big of a risk as the other guy, BUT AT THE RIGHT TIME. Also it helps train you to know how to put money on the line for beliefs.
Chess because it sharpens your ability to comprehend strategy. There are three keys TEMPO (not being too slow) KING SAFETY (not being too vulnerable) and SPACE (taking away options from a competitor). At a certain point in chess you will know all the mainline attacks and gambits, you'll know all the defensive patterns and in order to win you have to think positionally not just tactically, you have to analyze a position and foresee its worth in another 20 moves, strengths, weaknesses, and the tendencies of your opposing player.

I study those two things in order to sharpen my ability to compete.
But I also work with my competitors, in order to deeply understand them and their goals so that I can make complimentary things that help them also meet an under served portion of that biz.
So not only is there defense and offense, but cooperation and competition in a healthy balance. Because in some ways, you cannot help but give your competitors ideas so in order to alter that you want to work with them enough that it is less necessary.
So for example, seperate your defining feature from theirs but use a more universal theme in part of the bulk messaging. Because if your bulk messaging is all unique then when success comes, thats what they'll copy.

In chess the bulk of what you do, will always be replicable by others, the reason YOU win is people can't copy insight, and how you define and sculpt the final plan puts you over the top.

But a lot of the time the issue isn't your competitors, its yourself.
So for example, you might have a love for a certain way of doing things that the main buyers don't resonate with, and you have to be the one willing to change rather than sit around telling them they are crazy for not liking whatever you give them.

The biggest issue of self (outside of consistent motivation) is the ability to conceive of your own weaknesses and fix them. Most people fear that knowing their weaknesses makes the weakness real, but all weaknesses are made real the moment you put things up for sale anyway.

So yeah, you want good offense and defense,
It took me a while to fully wrap my head around that part of business.
Another part of business is like Cuban says "the ramen noodle" phase where you are hungry for success and live off nothing to get there, its a phase where you develop confidence, and astoundingly even advanced guys fight these feelings of doubt, like Elon Musk when space X was about to fail and he'd poured all his fortunes into it, he said it was like chewing glass and staring into a void (I'll always respect that he risked billions and bankruptcy on a dream). That part of business sees you learn to respect yourself and others, by seperating out conflict from productivity, and shame from sureness.
Another part of business is content and knowing audiences, yes you use good copy, but copy can annoy people too so you have to consider authenticity, but going too far in that direction makes you irrelevant so you then have to consider popularity. This is about mixing professionalism and quality output with "heart".
Another part of business is logistics, customer support, and compassion enough to make everything intuitive to simple brained or stressed out folk. People get stressed and they need things to function easy or it sends them into spirals of anxiety, so you gotta consider that and make what you give them an easy relief and a break from harsh living.
Another part is management and how to set up a functioning system of organisation, maintaining relationships, establishing respect, due dilligence etc.
Another part is sales, pricing, knowing your worth, not pushing bad deals, but finding the good ones.
Another is budgetting and finance, keeping a good baseline profitability and considering risk.

I mean, and then you've got the MJ part
The "check your role" part
Who are you in this landscape? Do you have control or you denying this responsibility of yours?
Are you needed? Or just another fool to be disposed of or forgotten?
Can you even scale what you do? Cuz there is little point if you can't.
Do you have the time efficiency to make it worth doing? Or is it all an impractical dream based nightmare?
etc

When I started out I thought "there isn't anything here, you just set something up and hope?" I figured you just arbitrarily use spreadsheets and powerpoint and such. Now my view is much much different. It is in fact brutally different. There are so many roles you need to play that it is a bit ridiculous.
Personally, I'm battling with adopting all those roles fluidly. Its tough to do when originally you don't care at all about being a ceo or a boss, you just spent years trying to survive. And now with some success you think "ugh... more of this? Why subject myself to more of this..."

I guess this is another part of business, wrestling with the illusions.
Cuz the script doesn't just put you in the ratrace and tell you to stay there, it also gives you a complex where you start believing everything has to be hard. It gets in your head, and it becomes hard hard hard to let it go. Like, after a point you depend on the pain of it to define yourself, similar to how bad relationships keep you in a hole.

For me the way out of this is, setting a big dream, and getting active, and becoming proud. Developing your VOICE in the business world and being a flexible, creative, and pragmatic force of reason and understanding that is a dream to work with. Not some sycophant or groveling wannabe. If you arent truly independent like that, the script will have its strings on you. And maybe it always does maintain some strings on you... since money itself is sort of "scripted" and out of our total control. But such is life. And if you need total security in this task we take on, you won't be able to function.

There is a saying, that goes something like, in order to be a warrior you must accept death. Which means you need to understand that this is always what we are risking, always what we are playing for, and it is why it matters that WE DO NOT SIT IN A FN HOLE.
No hole is a home, only consistent success is a place to permanently belong.
Or so I am coming to believe.

I used to think that after business, my learning in this world would be done.
But I was wrong. Learning isn't done when you have enough money.
Thats when you see... it truly stretches on forever, and see the stupid abyss.

That abyss is fn crazy, and the script is there to sort of get people enrolled to function around it. Cuz if none of us do our darn job, it'll gobble us all up. THAT is what keeps me up right now. The fragility of this world, and the human creature. It is just so hard to square away with it, when you can literally SEE its nature.

I dunno whether to turn towards money and make more of it, or to lead in other ways.
I just don't know, and it bothers me.


You are more right than you know about standing on others shoulders, and having the STRENGTH OF CHARACTER TO DO IT. However, I'm not sure the goal there is necessarily money (I'm fairly set money wise it doesn't drive me crazy so much anymore).
I think that when standing on top of people's shoulders, you are a watchtower and your goal is to see stuff coming no one else can see.

For some reason it bothers me. The future, the state of things. I feel in my gut, in my intuition, that the script is SLOWING US ALL DOWN and we can get hit while sleeping.
I dunno, I guess I'm a bit paranoid, but I'm sure I'll figure it out. I'm just saying "what is success?" do we really know? Is it the picture we are sold of mr. millionaire? Or is this yet another scripted trick distracting us? If so, what then?

Who knows?
Gotta find your own answers in life, otherwise others will just run your life.


Oh and btw, boomers like millenials blame their conditions
Our shackles get associated with a certain set of memories
In order to get way above these bad vibes, we gotta go it on our own
Venture into the void where no one else goes

Thats the hardest thing
Going beyond what was ever expected of you
And raising a torch for others to follow
Its a brutal and cold path
But its gotta be done
 
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Excellent. You keep writing like that Rouge, and MJ will kick you OFF this forum. He won't stand for competition on his own turf like that. But don't worry - I'll buy your book...

I too am an accomplished poker player. I've been pushed out of hands by sheer force. How strong are my jacks anyway? It happens all the time. So, yes, you are right. But...

I just want to add a few life experiences that I've had. Real true to life, in the dirt, the way it is, experiences.

I spent many years in the office machine business (from manual typewriters to computers). That's kind of how Mark Cuban started out in his first big break too. He was fired from his job - you should get his book. It's very very short - and he's gonna buy me a beer someday for ripping me off - but what is there is solid gold.

But, back to point. In the heyday of mechanical typewriters, the IBM Selectric was by far the king. I know that machine inside out because I fixed them for many years. But, it wasn't the best machine on the market. Not by a long shot. Personally, I thought Olivetti was by far a better machine, for a certain time period. That is an Italian company. Italians are brilliant at designing things, which very few people know. For what it's worth, eventually the Japanese took over the market and surpassed everyone - but that's just a side fact. IBM was designed and built in USA. How did it become number one? It had two good qualities that everyone loved - it had a great touch, and it made flawless corrections. It had a number of faults too, but isn't it funny how people will tolerate faults if they find other features they really love? Anyway - my point is this: IBM was not just a technical powerhouse - they were marketing WIZARDS. How did they compete against superior machines? They didn't care, really. They just went full speed ahead and marketed their wares like there was no tomorrow. Olivetti could have kicked their keister for a while, but they were too stubborn to invest in the marketing muscle to do it. Great machine - crap company vision and management. We didn't sell Olivetti, by the way. Our competition did, and they didn't too well with it either because the company had lousy support. So I've seen the third best machine kick butt in the marketplace, and take names doing it. Doesn't make sense. The best player/fighter/product often - and I stress often - does not always win.

Another valuable lesson that I'm seeing right now is a multi-millionaire friend of mine that is in the process of releasing a product that is going to explode in the market and make billions. I am sure it will be successful, but for how long I don't know. I asked him what he was going to do when China knocked him off and he said. He said. Oh, you should be paying for this inside info... He said he didn't care. He said he knows it will happen, and he can't stop it. BUT by the time it happens, he says, he will have made his fortune and won't care. So the death of his product is inevitable, no matter what he does. That kind of scares me, because me and my product are an ant next to him.

The other lesson I have learned, and it scares me, is a denial of service (DoS) attack on a website. That's when a website is overwhelmed - bombarded - by outside activity. But let's not focus on that in detail - let's look at the concept. The concept is that if you DO come up with a great idea and you DO launch a great marketing campaign, and it IS successful - well - what could happen next? Could you be run out of business by knock offs, or attacks on your website, or your own manufacturer, even, deciding to not work with you for whatever reason? There is so much out of your control. We're not talking chess strategy here - we're talking someone kicking your front door down and trying to kill you. What do you do about that? I heard, and have been trying to validate it, that the guy that invented the weed eater with the fish line, had his invention blatantly stolen from him and modified slightly - and it was on the market in a dozen different configurations. Maybe he could have protected it better through stronger patents. But, let's say his patents were perfect in every way. You could have your product just snatched away, and then be taunted - hey, catch me if you can! Can we catch ten thieves that copy our product? How long would that take, and what would it cost?

There are just a few observations that I wanted to throw out, because your statements, although true and well reasoned, I fear are somewhat naive. The rules only apply when everyone plays by them. When that doesn't happen, only the strong survive. You might be right - but will you win? Or, more appropriately, CAN you win? These are life and death questions for me and my ventures. It's me against the world, and I am well aware how small and fragile I am.

Maybe I've seen too much. Knowing and seeing what I have, I read MJ's Fastlane with a different perspective than most people. I noticed how he plowed into his work, full speed. I think that's the ONLY way to do it. Move too slow and you could be pushed off the road - through no fault of your own. He goes into great detail about being knocked off and unfair competition. But he won anyway!

THOSE are some of the issues that I am dealing with. I put them out there for your benefit, and also to see what, if anything, anyone might have to say about them.

One more quick comment. When I entered the video production business, I eliminated my existing competition which controlled the market before I came on the scene. But I did that through reinventing the product line to align with what my customers wanted. We took completely different approaches, and mine was vastly superior, so I won. But today - things are so different. Packs of wolves could steal my idea - attack my infrastructure - eliminate my supplier - and on and on. None of it being fair, and so all my planning and strategy could be rendered ineffective.

This is a multi-faceted venture. Having the best product is no guarantee of success. I could easily be out-marketed by any King Kong that crashes out of the jungle. I could have my ideas flagrantly stolen right in front of my own eyes. The list of things like this is long and scary...

I will relish feedback to these observations ~
 
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Excellent. You keep writing like that Rouge, and MJ will kick you OFF this forum. He won't stand for competition on his own turf like that. But don't worry - I'll buy your book...

I too am an accomplished poker player. I've been pushed out of hands by sheer force. How strong are my jacks anyway? It happens all the time. So, yes, you are right. But...

I just want to add a few life experiences that I've had. Real true to life, in the dirt, the way it is, experiences.

I spent many years in the office machine business (from manual typewriters to computers). That's kind of how Mark Cuban started out in his first big break too. He was fired from his job - you should get his book. It's very very short - and he's gonna buy me a beer someday for ripping me off - but what is there is solid gold.

But, back to point. In the heyday of mechanical typewriters, the IBM Selectric was by far the king. I know that machine inside out because I fixed them for many years. But, it wasn't the best machine on the market. Not by a long shot. Personally, I thought Olivetti was by far a better machine, for a certain time period. That is an Italian company. Italians are brilliant at designing things, which very few people know. For what it's worth, eventually the Japanese took over the market and surpassed everyone - but that's just a side fact. IBM was designed and built in USA. How did it become number one? It had two good qualities that everyone loved - it had a great touch, and it made flawless corrections. It had a number of faults too, but isn't it funny how people will tolerate faults if they find other features they really love? Anyway - my point is this: IBM was not just a technical powerhouse - they were marketing WIZARDS. How did they compete against superior machines? They didn't care, really. They just went full speed ahead and marketed their wares like there was no tomorrow. Olivetti could have kicked their keister for a while, but they were too stubborn to invest in the marketing muscle to do it. Great machine - crap company vision and management. We didn't sell Olivetti, by the way. Our competition did, and they didn't too well with it either because the company had lousy support. So I've seen the third best machine kick butt in the marketplace, and take names doing it. Doesn't make sense. The best player/fighter/product often - and I stress often - does not always win.

Another valuable lesson that I'm seeing right now is a multi-millionaire friend of mine that is in the process of releasing a product that is going to explode in the market and make billions. I am sure it will be successful, but for how long I don't know. I asked him what he was going to do when China knocked him off and he said. He said. Oh, you should be paying for this inside info... He said he didn't care. He said he knows it will happen, and he can't stop it. BUT by the time it happens, he says, he will have made his fortune and won't care. So the death of his product is inevitable, no matter what he does. That kind of scares me, because me and my product are an ant next to him.

The other lesson I have learned, and it scares me, is a denial of service (DoS) attack on a website. That's when a website is overwhelmed - bombarded - by outside activity. But let's not focus on that in detail - let's look at the concept. The concept is that if you DO come up with a great idea and you DO launch a great marketing campaign, and it IS successful - well - what could happen next? Could you be run out of business by knock offs, or attacks on your website, or your own manufacturer, even, deciding to not work with you for whatever reason? There is so much out of your control. We're not talking chess strategy here - we're talking someone kicking your front door down and trying to kill you. What do you do about that? I heard, and have been trying to validate it, that the guy that invented the weed eater with the fish line, had his invention blatantly stolen from him and modified slightly - and it was on the market in a dozen different configurations. Maybe he could have protected it better through stronger patents. But, let's say his patents were perfect in every way. You could have your product just snatched away, and then be taunted - hey, catch me if you can! Can we catch ten thieves that copy our product? How long would that take, and what would it cost?

There are just a few observations that I wanted to throw out, because your statements, although true and well reasoned, I fear are somewhat naive. The rules only apply when everyone plays by them. When that doesn't happen, only the strong survive. You might be right - but will you win? Or, more appropriately, CAN you win? These are life and death questions for me and my ventures. It's me against the world, and I am well aware how small and fragile I am.

Maybe I've seen too much. Knowing and seeing what I have, I read MJ's Fastlane with a different perspective than most people. I noticed how he plowed into his work, full speed. I think that's the ONLY way to do it. Move too slow and you could be pushed off the road - through no fault of your own. He goes into great detail about being knocked off and unfair competition. But he won anyway!

THOSE are some of the issues that I am dealing with. I put them out there for your benefit, and also to see what, if anything, anyone might have to say about them.

One more quick comment. When I entered the video production business, I eliminated my existing competition which controlled the market before I came on the scene. But I did that through reinventing the product line to align with what my customers wanted. We took completely different approaches, and mine was vastly superior, so I won. But today - things are so different. Packs of wolves could steal my idea - attack my infrastructure - eliminate my supplier - and on and on. None of it being fair, and so all my planning and strategy could be rendered ineffective.

This is a multi-faceted venture. Having the best product is no guarantee of success. I could easily be out-marketed by any King Kong that crashes out of the jungle. I could have my ideas flagrantly stolen right in front of my own eyes. The list of things like this is long and scary...

I will relish feedback to these observations ~

Excellent takes, thanks for sharing your story, you've been in the game a long time when you're talking about IBM Selectrics! I remember using them in grade school and loving that feel of the keys! Rep+
 

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Excellent. You keep writing like that Rouge, and MJ will kick you OFF this forum. He won't stand for competition on his own turf like that. But don't worry - I'll buy your book...

I too am an accomplished poker player. I've been pushed out of hands by sheer force. How strong are my jacks anyway? It happens all the time. So, yes, you are right. But...

I just want to add a few life experiences that I've had. Real true to life, in the dirt, the way it is, experiences.

I spent many years in the office machine business (from manual typewriters to computers). That's kind of how Mark Cuban started out in his first big break too. He was fired from his job - you should get his book. It's very very short - and he's gonna buy me a beer someday for ripping me off - but what is there is solid gold.

But, back to point. In the heyday of mechanical typewriters, the IBM Selectric was by far the king. I know that machine inside out because I fixed them for many years. But, it wasn't the best machine on the market. Not by a long shot. Personally, I thought Olivetti was by far a better machine, for a certain time period. That is an Italian company. Italians are brilliant at designing things, which very few people know. For what it's worth, eventually the Japanese took over the market and surpassed everyone - but that's just a side fact. IBM was designed and built in USA. How did it become number one? It had two good qualities that everyone loved - it had a great touch, and it made flawless corrections. It had a number of faults too, but isn't it funny how people will tolerate faults if they find other features they really love? Anyway - my point is this: IBM was not just a technical powerhouse - they were marketing WIZARDS. How did they compete against superior machines? They didn't care, really. They just went full speed ahead and marketed their wares like there was no tomorrow.
Not caring is a good point, caring about pedantics means those pedantics can beat you and pushes you out of the game
But if you are in the game, play the game, dont be thinking you already won and don't be gloating or you will get wrecked.
Good point

Its something a friend of mine in the entertainment industry has said to me from time to time, that losers sit around saying theirs is the best, but you have to prove it with numbers, or quite simply put, it isn't
Olivetti could have kicked their keister for a while, but they were too stubborn to invest in the marketing muscle to do it.
Being artists in a street fight
Great machine - crap company vision and management. We didn't sell Olivetti, by the way. Our competition did, and they didn't too well with it either because the company had lousy support. So I've seen the third best machine kick butt in the marketplace, and take names doing it. Doesn't make sense. The best player/fighter/product often - and I stress often - does not always win.
Well, Olivetti had no punch I'm guessing so its impact was just dull and its differentiators vague
Another valuable lesson that I'm seeing right now is a multi-millionaire friend of mine that is in the process of releasing a product that is going to explode in the market and make billions. I am sure it will be successful, but for how long I don't know. I asked him what he was going to do when China knocked him off and he said. He said. Oh, you should be paying for this inside info... He said he didn't care. He said he knows it will happen, and he can't stop it. BUT by the time it happens, he says, he will have made his fortune and won't care.
Yeah I agree with that. I mean you can only do so much before others take it, but if you get rich, its ok. You wanna work on new projects anyway, so sell it off to a person who doesn't know china is coming :p
So the death of his product is inevitable, no matter what he does. That kind of scares me, because me and my product are an ant next to him.
Well maybe you are treating it as too precious. I mean you put a lot of time in it, and want it to succeed, but it is like approaching a girl at a bar,
One guy frets over what to say and thinks up something, and he goes over, but he isn't spontaneous, his confidence is a little off, he's shaking a bit, and when he gets a little bit of rejection attitude from the girl he is almost knocked out of the conversation and gets desperate to keep it alive, he tries really hard, gets a few good things in, wins a few points with her but then goes home.
Or, the guy doesn't fret over what to say and looks at the bigger picture and how to get things moving ahead as far as he can, and he invites the girl to dance, introduce himself to her friends, buys her a drink, and they chat about nonsense, and he asks if shes up for a walk, or to go get food, or a coffee etc, and a relationship starts, but 3 months later she tells him he's a clueless moron, and he shrugs it off.

I mean, by being too precious about your efforts you can miss the forest for the trees. No matter how good you get at business you cant stop ripoffs from happening. I mean you might place "restrictions" on a girlfriend and she can't see dave, but if she wants to see dave shes gonna see dave. You can't stop it.

That doesn't mean you encourage it, but it means you understand there are limits out there that we can't get past no matter how perfect we are. I mean, its human nature that we are just that bit "unfair" in all we do. So yeah we will cop some unfair hits.
Point is to not let it tie you down. Give yourself room to just let it run its course, and you do your best while you can.
And if you plan on fighting a giant, bring a big stick.
The other lesson I have learned, and it scares me, is a denial of service (DoS) attack on a website. That's when a website is overwhelmed - bombarded - by outside activity. But let's not focus on that in detail - let's look at the concept. The concept is that if you DO come up with a great idea and you DO launch a great marketing campaign, and it IS successful - well - what could happen next? Could you be run out of business by knock offs, or attacks on your website, or your own manufacturer, even, deciding to not work with you for whatever reason? There is so much out of your control. We're not talking chess strategy here - we're talking someone kicking your front door down and trying to kill you.
I view chess as a boxing bag for the mind, you just use it to sharpen your thoughts, but there are specific tips chess has for a direct assault.
1) he who has the faster or more aggressive attack wins
2) he who attacks big too early left a weakness back at home
3) shove a pawn in its face, deflect it, or sacrifice a piece of material to slow its tempo and disrupt its harmony
4) don't let a person have the center or organise a battery against your defences
5) desperado - a desperado move is where you do something that in other contexts seems crazy, in order to create a forcing move that they have to take time to address

So in term of brute force attacks, I suppose you set up a secondary server to run in parallel or something?
But yes those things are not pretty, especially if your resources are stretched as is.
What do you do about that? I heard, and have been trying to validate it, that the guy that invented the weed eater with the fish line, had his invention blatantly stolen from him and modified slightly - and it was on the market in a dozen different configurations. Maybe he could have protected it better through stronger patents. But, let's say his patents were perfect in every way. You could have your product just snatched away, and then be taunted - hey, catch me if you can!
Yeah, I think things like the weed wacker, need a great marketting angle, and immediate branding, but it is a utility tool so most people aren't going to care so long as it does what it says. Pretty hard to protect that one.
Can we catch ten thieves that copy our product? How long would that take, and what would it cost?
No way you are catching ten thieves, thats kinda the point of looters, they know they have safety in numbers
There are just a few observations that I wanted to throw out, because your statements, although true and well reasoned, I fear are somewhat naive. The rules only apply when everyone plays by them. When that doesn't happen, only the strong survive.
Well thats why I study strategy and history, cuz basically all this stuff happens through out history too. Generals are ambushed, set upon, out foxed, betrayed.
I mean hannibal took on Rome and won, but his own people refused to send more troops to keep Rome down, so Rome took Hannibals trick and attacked Carthage, forcing Hannibal to come back to defend, and then he lost.

That is a common theme in chess btw, a strong attack fizzles, then a counter attack is launched and doesn't fizzle. Finish your conquests :p

I once checkmated a guy with a horse and a king. I knew I didnt have enough pieces left to checkmate him unless I got him to block off his own kings escape squares, so I made targets tempting for him to take, marched my king up the board, and launched in with a knight checkmating him and crushing his soul. I knew, that when resources are scare, USE IT ALL to finish it
You might be right - but will you win? Or, more appropriately, CAN you win? These are life and death questions for me and my ventures. It's me against the world, and I am well aware how small and fragile I am.
Thats good, Im aware Im tiny too, it is no easy fix, that is for darn sure
Maybe I've seen too much. Knowing and seeing what I have, I read MJ's Fastlane with a different perspective than most people.
Nah you havent seen too much, its good to know stuff gets dirty, but of course being a new guy who has no clue and just does things is more effective a lot of the time. But I wouldn't count a person out cuz they know the dirt of it. I'm the same way, I know too much about the dirt that I often can't do naive things without feeling of being and acting incredibly stupid
I noticed how he plowed into his work, full speed. I think that's the ONLY way to do it. Move too slow and you could be pushed off the road - through no fault of your own. He goes into great detail about being knocked off and unfair competition. But he won anyway!
Yeah, I think that is in MJs nature though, he seems an immediate kind of guy.
THOSE are some of the issues that I am dealing with. I put them out there for your benefit, and also to see what, if anything, anyone might have to say about them.

One more quick comment. When I entered the video production business, I eliminated my existing competition which controlled the market before I came on the scene. But I did that through reinventing the product line to align with what my customers wanted. We took completely different approaches, and mine was vastly superior, so I won. But today - things are so different. Packs of wolves could steal my idea - attack my infrastructure - eliminate my supplier - and on and on. None of it being fair, and so all my planning and strategy could be rendered ineffective.
Yeah that is the scary stuff right there
This is a multi-faceted venture. Having the best product is no guarantee of success. I could easily be out-marketed by any King Kong that crashes out of the jungle. I could have my ideas flagrantly stolen right in front of my own eyes. The list of things like this is long and scary...

I will relish feedback to these observations ~

Yeah, it is the element of chaos
And you can't beat chaos in linear ways
You generally beat it by identifying commonalities

So, WHO WILL BE THE KING KONG? Who is looking like they will be the marketting machine? How are they going to flagrantly steal your stuff?
And what are you going to do about it rather than just react appaulled?

And obviously you can't beat it all with brute force, so how can you take the center of the conversation, where is the center? How can you IMPRESS people while king kong is outside smashing buildings to get attention? And a marketting machine is pouring gasoline everywhere and lighting matches?
What beats those things?

You gotta think of the commonalities, the weaknesses of certain approaches and how others expectations of success can whither up.
Thats the game of it I guess
 
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Yeah, it is the element of chaos
And you can't beat chaos in linear ways
You generally beat it by identifying commonalities

So, WHO WILL BE THE KING KONG? Who is looking like they will be the marketting machine? How are they going to flagrantly steal your stuff?
And what are you going to do about it rather than just react appaulled?

And obviously you can't beat it all with brute force, so how can you take the center of the conversation, where is the center? How can you IMPRESS people while king kong is outside smashing buildings to get attention? And a marketting machine is pouring gasoline everywhere and lighting matches?
What beats those things?

Such a great post - I might have to make you an offer you can't refuse to partner with me.

You are absolutely right. I do hold things too precious, and I over analyze things too. You and MJ are more the type to jump on things. I'm much more the planner.

I do have one edge that I just have to share. How to get the big boys on my side. I am going to license my ideas and products to massive companies - maybe partnering would be a better word. This does two things. First of all, I have the resources and muscle of an army at my disposal - instead of just me. And next, I can cover a lot more territory with them by my side. I won't have the flash in the pan instant profit, but I won't be run over by a massive truck either. I'd rather have a company that is strong and stable to work with than roll the dice and depend on only my own skills and resources - hefty as they are! Not.

As I am sure you already know, it is extremely hard to find anyone to connect with on this level of understanding. Us few on this forum are released from the Matrix. Everyone else doesn't even know what the Matrix is - so it's a lost cause trying to make them understand. For that reason, I will say that I completely absorb every word and concept that I come across here. Thanks for adding even more great insight. I did not think on that level before, so now things are even more clear.
 
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Excellent takes, thanks for sharing your story, you've been in the game a long time when you're talking about IBM Selectrics! I remember using them in grade school and loving that feel of the keys! Rep+

You're that damn old MJ? So am I.

I remember when dirt was invented. That was great because from then on we could grow crops!
 

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Such a great post - I might have to make you an offer you can't refuse to partner with me.
Well you can ping me if you need that kinda assistance. I work as a kind of flexible consultant. Meaning I find "custom" ways I can help businesses find profit. If a business looks good and it is an offer of equity rather than cash to secure time/work its not outlandish to me, since I've got a home and decent enough income as is, so long as the business looks solid. So if you do think of something just send me a pm. I'm very relaxed about those things, since money is never my aim, just if something can be done or assisted and setting up the right way to do it
You are absolutely right. I do hold things too precious, and I over analyze things too. You and MJ are more the type to jump on things. I'm much more the planner.

I do have one edge that I just have to share. How to get the big boys on my side. I am going to license my ideas and products to massive companies - maybe partnering would be a better word. This does two things. First of all, I have the resources and muscle of an army at my disposal - instead of just me. And next, I can cover a lot more territory with them by my side. I won't have the flash in the pan instant profit, but I won't be run over by a massive truck either. I'd rather have a company that is strong and stable to work with than roll the dice and depend on only my own skills and resources - hefty as they are! Not.
Yeah, but resources are never as good as resourcefulness
One of the big pillars of how I do things is to consider versatility
If something is versatile it is much harder to beat up on or pin down.

So for example, if an audience likes a certain actor in a certain movie, the actor can play more of those roles, but eventually will get typecast. The fact they are typecast means they can only offer one thing to audiences now or face rejection. Well the same thing happens with big companies with lots of resources, sometimes their audience has typecast them into a certain role and no matter how much resources they have they can't alter that role.

In this way modularization helps. Meaning, you seperate pieces of the business into self sufficient sectors that can run without the other and be replaced. This helps you then break off a section of what you are doing into an independent thing, give it sufficient resources and see if it floats.

So big companies often can partner with smaller companies on this front, and you can aim to lead them in certain areas they can't do themselves cuz of that typecasting effect.
Then if you can make that small company versatile it can't help all over the board and is a incredible asset to help break out from stalemates
As I am sure you already know, it is extremely hard to find anyone to connect with on this level of understanding. Us few on this forum are released from the Matrix. Everyone else doesn't even know what the Matrix is - so it's a lost cause trying to make them understand. For that reason, I will say that I completely absorb every word and concept that I come across here. Thanks for adding even more great insight. I did not think on that level before, so now things are even more clear.

No problem, you are welcome
Was a good conversation in the end for sure
 

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