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Millennials are Jerks, And Boomers Are to Blame

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They basically told us in a nutshell that you can not expect them to work as hard as the older generations, as they have not been conditioned that way - where you actually have to put in effort to reap rewards.

Funny, that hasn't been my experience. Kids my age BRAG about how many hours they work.

"I did a 17 hour day yesterday and got 4 hours of sleep! [HASHTAG]#winning[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#adderall[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#coffee[/HASHTAG]"
 
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Generationalism Racism Yadda yadda yadda

My pop always used to say "you'll understand when you get older"
But hell was he wrong, I just understood how deluded he was and how he used that cr#p as a crutch

Thing is, we like to tell people they suck for this reason or that reason because its convenient. But at the heart of success isn't your circumstances but what you do with them.

Weave all your weaknesses into a story of triumph, and they become strength.
If you are ignorant, dimwitted, and people don't "get you", well hey, chill out cuz that is the story of nearly every success in life.


Its convenient to be wrong and attack people
Inconvenient to see the strengths in them


Millenials will do great things, and I hope they do that while not givin 2 sh#ts what anyone else says about it
 

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Funny, that hasn't been my experience. Kids my age BRAG about how many hours they work.

"I did a 17 hour day yesterday and got 4 hours of sleep! [HASHTAG]#winning[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#adderall[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#coffee[/HASHTAG]"

But how hard did they work during those 17 hours? Hours at work and output aren't the same.

The data is coming in, and my family's experience backs it up with our businesses, it takes 1.5 millenials to do the same output as 1 boomer per hour. So yes, they may have been at work 17 hours, and got paid for 17 hours, but they only output 11 1/3 hours.
 

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IMO the real problem arising is validation and reinforcement. We, millenials especially, are learning to get easily reinforced. Post something snarky on FB (takes 3 seconds) and you get immediate reinforcement through likes and comments. Post a selfy... bam, likes, thumbs up, and comments. The real world comes along and you find yourself working 8 hour days with NO reinforcement. No likes. No "good job!" No thumbs up. Nothing. Entrepreneurship is the same way. You can work for days, weeks, and months with ZERO reinforcement. I'd imagine that has to be a rude awakening for someone who's grown up doing something and seeing an immediate reaction, response, or reinforcement. And then in real life, nothing. And herein lies why the digital world is often more appealing.
 
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IMO the real problem arising is validation and reinforcement. We, millenials especially, are learning to get easily reinforced. Post something snarky on FB (takes 3 seconds) and you get immediate reinforcement through likes and comments. Post a selfy... bam, likes, thumbs up, and comments. The real world comes along and you find yourself working 8 hour days with NO reinforcement. No likes. No "good job!" No thumbs up. Nothing. Entrepreneurship is the same way. You can work for days, weeks, and months with ZERO reinforcement. I'd imagine that has to be a rude awakening for someone who's grown up doing something and seeing an immediate reaction, response, or reinforcement. And then in real life, nothing. And herein lies why the digital world is often more appealing.

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IMO the real problem arising is validation and reinforcement. We, millenials especially, are learning to get easily reinforced. Post something snarky on FB (takes 3 seconds) and you get immediate reinforcement through likes and comments. Post a selfy... bam, likes, thumbs up, and comments. The real world comes along and you find yourself working 8 hour days with NO reinforcement. No likes. No "good job!" No thumbs up. Nothing. Entrepreneurship is the same way. You can work for days, weeks, and months with ZERO reinforcement. I'd imagine that has to be a rude awakening for someone who's grown up doing something and seeing an immediate reaction, response, or reinforcement. And then in real life, nothing. And herein lies why the digital world is often more appealing.
Agreed. I see it in my own daughter - Everything in the latter years of schooling was instant gratification - "We aren't going to have races anymore, as it upsets the children who come last, so everyone will be a winner" etc. So, once they get in to the "real world" and have to deal with disappointments, no instant pat on the back for all tasks completed etc. they struggle to deal with it. As others have stated too, there appears to be a real issue with communication - Blame it on social media, texting, or whatever. But, if you watch, there isn't many real conversations happening. I watched a young couple in a restaurant a while back - The guys girlfriend was very hot and he spent the whole hour on his phone, not even looking at her. Crazy!
 

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I think it's just different times.

We millennials, at least the ones in North America can afford to be a little bit more selfish these days. We're not living in fear about a threat of Russian invasion, we're not being drafted to go to war, and even the proletariat of this generation can afford iPhones and high-speed internet. And seeing as it's tougher to find a decent paying job right out of high school, we have to invest in ourselves a little more, like going to college, and things like that.

But I wouldn't say we're all jerks though. A lot of us still have heart under the narcissism you see on Facebook and Instagram.

By the way, @MJ DeMarco , would you be considered a Millennial?
 
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Another thing I'll point out is that the Millennial generation has the highest rates of depression and anxiety. So we're definitely not the happiest generation.
 

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Another thing I'll point out is that the Millennial generation has the highest rates of depression and anxiety. So we're definitely not the happiest generation.

I think that Barbara Tuchman in "The proud tower" (amazing book on pre-WWI era) said that every generation believes that the previous one was selfish and happier.
 

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I think that Barbara Tuchman in "The proud tower" (amazing book on pre-WWI era) said that every generation believes that the previous one was selfish and happier.

Thats true, but technological advances and the proliferation of digital immersion is actually changing brain chemistry. The most susceptible to this are those who live it from birth.

would you be considered a Millennial?

I think I'm classified as Gen X.
 
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IMO the real problem arising is validation and reinforcement. We, millenials especially, are learning to get easily reinforced. Post something snarky on FB (takes 3 seconds) and you get immediate reinforcement through likes and comments. Post a selfy... bam, likes, thumbs up, and comments. The real world comes along and you find yourself working 8 hour days with NO reinforcement. No likes. No "good job!" No thumbs up. Nothing. Entrepreneurship is the same way. You can work for days, weeks, and months with ZERO reinforcement. I'd imagine that has to be a rude awakening for someone who's grown up doing something and seeing an immediate reaction, response, or reinforcement. And then in real life, nothing. And herein lies why the digital world is often more appealing.

Interesting, I never thought about it like this before. I grew up playing video games on my Gameboy and my grandma even got me the Nintendo 64 when it came out. That was also validation and reinforcement, and it happened way before social media ever even came around. Leveling up, beating the bad guys, it was just simple and required no real effort.

Very interesting, thanks.
 

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Interesting, I never thought about it like this before. I grew up playing video games on my Gameboy and my grandma even got me the Nintendo 64 when it came out. That was also validation and reinforcement, and it happened way before social media ever even came around. Leveling up, beating the bad guys, it was just simple and required no real effort.

Very interesting, thanks.
I remember the Gameboy! Anyways I completely agree.
 
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Generation X (Me) Is guilty of giving Millenial (Son) Computers, and every game system there is. lol Pro's he wants to create video games, a computer nerd that knows how to probably do all kinds of things I don't even understand when he's talking about it. Wants to go into Robotics as well. So I'm not sure it was a bad thing. His friends are the same way tearing apart programs, and video games, and creating new one's. He's been to Robotic Competition's. I may be lucky...he's outscored many in Math and Science. He's a genius, and they told me that at age 5. On the other hand some people think he's lazy because he's into the computers. I leave him be because I see what he can do.

So I'm not sure every Millenial ends up turning into a business, but I keep telling him about the Fastlane and starting his own path. He can be lazy, but I believe he was in school just because he was bored with what they were teaching him. Also because of our circumstances I do believe he will blaze his own trail, especially if I lead the way with my actions and example. So yes, he may arrive there a lot earlier than I ever did in life.

For the selfies, I have to laugh. I was in France a month ago, and resting after the Tour De France Race. Some young woman walked up the store window and turned and took a selfie or herself in the reflection. She just stops in the middle of the side walk.
 

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Don't pretend things were different.
Only the packaging was different.
Yup. Human nature has thus far been pretty constant. We're all altruistic, greedy, hopeful, pessimistic, helpful, selfish, angry and peaceful at some point. We're all fallen.

Bread lines brought members of the Greatest and Silent generations toward a resurgence of communist leanings in the US, and Millennials give us 1% demonstrations. From the ground-level view, when we're emotional and seeing it on the news, they're obviously very different because of x, y and z. We could argue about those differences indefinitely.

But from 10,000 feet, same same.

Booze prohibition -> repeal. MJ prohibition -> repeal.

From 10,000 feet, same same.

Fixing a computer is much different than fixing a car.

Either one may be used as a tool to create value, and either one may also be used as a recreational instrument and massive time suck, thus they are equal in their level of necessity to modern life. Once again, from 10,000 feet, same same.


No doubt this is true:
technological advances and the proliferation of digital immersion is actually changing brain chemistry. The most susceptible to this are those who live it from birth.

Might this be some of the root of the Millennial's narcissism? Probably. And in turn, is that narcissism the root of their rejection of "euphamism", and our bitches and hoes vocabulary decline? Probably. But let's not start blaming them for something as old as Greek mythology.


So are we going to hell in a handbasket? Yeah, I think so. But I believe that's due more to general entropy (and some stuff we don't discuss here) than it is to the failings of our latest dot release of Homo sapiens. Personally, my money's on us ending up somewhere between Idiocracy and Atlas Shrugged.

But like that old joke about the 2 hikers and the bear, this cranky Gen X-er can't out-work/out-earn/out-learn/out-class fate, but I damn sure can outdo some dumbass sleeping out for an iPhone.



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And hey, why hasn't resident philosopher @SteveO weighed in on this yet??
 

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Interesting, I never thought about it like this before. I grew up playing video games on my Gameboy and my grandma even got me the Nintendo 64 when it came out. That was also validation and reinforcement, and it happened way before social media ever even came around. Leveling up, beating the bad guys, it was just simple and required no real effort.
On topic of games... Simple? No real effort? I remember even games being much more difficult back then lol. I have a vivid memory of me playing Super Mario when I was real young, on one of those cheap consoles with yellow cartridges, which were super popular in mid-90's in this part of the world. And I was failing for the millionth time, swearing and throwing my controller across the room, then hearing my mother yell at me to behave or I won't be playing anymore. So, I sucked it up and out of pure frustration just kept going and going til I managed to finish the game. There were no achievements, cheat codes, save points. Once your X amount of lives were up, back to beginning you went. I remember grinding those games forever til I finished them, not because they were fun, nope, but because I had to have the bragging rights for finishing a game. Nevermind the fact that I was mostly frustrated and rarely having fun playing majority of them lol. Finishing it was my gratification, but it was far from instant

Who knows, perhaps those games in my childhood helped me develop discipline later in life. To this day, whenever I stumble upon a difficult task, I take it as a challenge and will keep grinding until I succeed... even if there's no real award, except having the problem solved and getting to throw my hands up in the air victoriously, while my gf just looks at me like I'm an idiot

I know the games my sisters kids are playing nowadays are drastically different though and so is everything else. Since the beginning of civilization the older generation has always looked down on the younger ones, but in current day and age, with the technology the way it is, I believe MJ is right about that sort of stuff actually changing your brain chemistry and how your mind works.

Following is a quote from the book 50th Law by Robert Greene, something that my generation doesn't understand:

"The fools in life want things fast and easy — money, success, attention. Boredom is their great enemy and fear. Whatever they manage to get slips through their hands as fast as it comes in. You, on the other hand, want to outlast your rivals. You are building the foundation for something that can continue to expand. To make this happen, you will have to serve an apprenticeship. You must learn early on to endure the hours of practice and drudgery, knowing that in the end all of that time will translate into a higher pleasure — mastery of a craft and of yourself. Your goal is to reach the ultimate skill level.
The real secret, the real formula for power in this world, lies in accepting the ugly reality that learning requires a process, and this in turn demands patience and the ability to endure drudge work."
 
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On topic of games... Simple? No real effort? I remember even games being much more difficult back then lol. I have a vivid memory of me playing Super Mario when I was real young, on one of those cheap consoles with yellow cartridges, which were super popular in mid-90's in this part of the world. And I was failing for the millionth time, swearing and throwing my controller across the room, then hearing my mother yell at me to behave or I won't be playing anymore. So, I sucked it up and out of pure frustration just kept going and going til I managed to finish the game. There were no achievements, cheat codes, save points. Once your X amount of lives were up, back to beginning you went. I remember grinding those games forever til I finished them, not because they were fun, nope, but because I had to have the bragging rights for finishing a game. Nevermind the fact that I was mostly frustrated and rarely having fun playing majority of them lol. Finishing it was my gratification, but it was far from instant

Who knows, perhaps those games in my childhood helped me develop discipline later in life. To this day, whenever I stumble upon a difficult task, I take it as a challenge and will keep grinding until I succeed... even if there's no real award, except having the problem solved and getting to throw my hands up in the air victoriously, while my gf just looks at me like I'm an idiot

I know the games my sisters kids are playing nowadays are drastically different though and so is everything else. Since the beginning of civilization the older generation has always looked down on the younger ones, but in current day and age, with the technology the way it is, I believe MJ is right about that sort of stuff actually changing your brain chemistry and how your mind works.

Following is a quote from the book 50th Law by Robert Greene, something that my generation doesn't understand:

"The fools in life want things fast and easy — money, success, attention. Boredom is their great enemy and fear. Whatever they manage to get slips through their hands as fast as it comes in. You, on the other hand, want to outlast your rivals. You are building the foundation for something that can continue to expand. To make this happen, you will have to serve an apprenticeship. You must learn early on to endure the hours of practice and drudgery, knowing that in the end all of that time will translate into a higher pleasure — mastery of a craft and of yourself. Your goal is to reach the ultimate skill level.
The real secret, the real formula for power in this world, lies in accepting the ugly reality that learning requires a process, and this in turn demands patience and the ability to endure drudge work."
The ability to sit down and learn new things, to fully commit yourself to something....relentlessly chasing perfection in hopes of grasping excellence along the way, is what most people lack. They want instant gratification or immediate results. Thank you for this post!
 

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My pop always used to say "you'll understand when you get older"
But hell was he wrong,
Reminds me of the song by Credence Clearwater "Someday Never Comes". Two generations of fathers tell their children that they will understand some day why the fathers were leaving.

And hey, why hasn't resident philosopher @SteveO weighed in on this yet??

Uh oh... I'm not sure that this is a tag that has ever been given to me. :eek: But then again, the older you get and the more shit that you have been through may tend to bring out a philosophical side. I don't believe that my wife, family, or friends would label me as such.

I did not respond to this thread until I was called out because there is no issue here. The world is cyclical and will continue. There will always be problems if we choose to view them as problems. We can live our life perceiving it as being swallowed by a gigantic shit hole. Or, we can be accepting of the differences of other people around us.

Don't get me wrong. I try to find humor in many of the things that happen in this world. There are many bad things that occur regularly. These are all products of our society. Shit was still happening 2000 years ago so nothing has really changed. It just cycles around.

My kids are screwed up. So was I. My parents were as well.
 

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Oh well, I guess it just means more money for us producers.

You know, the ones who actually critically think about how to add and create value.

I can think of millions of ways to make money off of the narcissism, egoism, materialism, consumerism and entitlement of this generation.

Anything that adds to their inflated and imaginary sense of self-worth makes millennials go crazy.
 
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Shit was still happening 2000 years ago so nothing has really changed. It just cycles around.

It feels like people forget this when topics like this spring up. Those stupid "kids" are always doing those things that everyone hates... the world is going to hell... etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong. I can be a cynical bastard (apparently like a proper Gen-Xer), but as long as everyone is being cynical, why not turn some of that cynicism inwards, or at least on the things we find ourselves complaining about. If anyone should realize how much money there is to be made from fear-mongering, it should be us! I know some of these things affect people instinctively, but we should know better...

I get a bit surly at things sometimes. In fact, I stay that way quite a bit. But i DO stop sometimes to remind myself that the world is actually a pretty damned amazing place, and it's only getting better.

citation:
 

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Thats true, but technological advances and the proliferation of digital immersion is actually changing brain chemistry. The most susceptible to this are those who live it from birth.



I think I'm classified as Gen X.
Ah okay
Yeah, I was thinking MJ was about 36, making him in both the Gen X Gen Y range, but wasn't really sure
 

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Entitlement and victim mentality at it's finest, you work with what you got or what you can find.
Don't know about you MJ, but the sentences that stood out for me are:
"Hedonistic baby-boomer attitudes have produced a new gilded age complete with rock-star entertainment at birthday parties and crass mega-yacht one-upmanship."
"There are, of course, some well-known model citizens among the baby boomers, as there are among any generation."
"Why is anybody surprised millennials are turning out to be cynical, untrusting and mercenary? In the world they see, those traits are necessary to survive.
"... a scandalous 27% of millennials say they’d take credit for a colleague’s work if it helped them get ahead."
 
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Bump.

I think this video is a nice addition to this thread if you want something a little more in depth.

I'm not a huge fan of going into the whole gen this and gen that have had it easier or worse, are more scummy, etc... I do think it's important to understand the circumstances that lead to people thinking this of a generation though which this video does sum up quite well.


edit: found full length video
 
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I do think it's important to understand the circumstances that lead to people thinking this of a generation though which this video does sum up quite well.

Excellent video thank you for sharing, deeply exposes the PROCESS over the EVENT, and how they're conditioned to the fast event. Also touches on how you shouldn't be allowing cell phones at your meetings and social gatherings. (For ex, when we have poker night, cell phones aren't allowed at the table!)

Millennials see the mountain summit, but refuse to acknowledge the mountain.

[Note: General statement, not ALL millenials obviously, especially the ones here. ;-) ]
 

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It doesn't make sense to classify an entire age population as lazy and entitled.

I do agree that universities and grade school coddle kids into becoming docile and weak minded people with the exceptions of the rare teacher who makes an impact on the few when it comes to discipline, goals, and work ethic.

I also agree that the majority of parents (id say around 60-70%) are terrible. Im 23, but I started to realize this when I was around 19/20 looking at parents ranging from 18-40 who I was exposed to and realizing that these people were god damn idiots and their kids fates were sealed through the luck of the draw. Whether it was how the spoke to their kids, the habits they engrained in them, and their overall mindset their kids will end up being like them and perpetuating a weak society.

But I also work with Baby Boomers and Gen X'ers daily and I'm astounded at their ability to do the least amount of work and consider it good enough, settle for what's comfortable, and think that the life they live is as good as it gets.

Im also surrounded by other people in those categories who are multi millionaires, hard workers, and people with inspiring amounts of discpline and a good head on their shoulders who embody who I am trying to be like.

When you look at what is happening, there is nothing you can do about society as whole but you can personally choose who you want to be and exemplify those actions as you live.
 
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A millennial Diaries

Impatient ,entitled, and waiting to get a high five every time I do something at work, will make an impact and change the world, once I graduate am going to be free to do whatever I want, life will be fun and excitement will flow through my days, every day something new is going to happen ,am not like anyone else, am the greatest, i used to open the book the day before the exam stay up all night with two or more energy drinks and get an A+ the next day, am genius no man can do what I can do, am my favorite parents kid , they always tell my siblings to be like me, the world should acknowledge my greatness ,no am not friend with everyone, I like to be picky with my group of friends because not everyone is allowed to be my friend you see am special (not that I lack the ability to contact and form new relationships), I need to make smart comments during the lecture, I need to show them who I am, they all should be jealous, because my imaginary enemies are dancing in between my ears .


but then


booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom


"Snap back to reality, Oops there goes gravity "


there goes corporate job where you are dumped in the corner in between 4 walls and no window, with the same shitty boss asking you to do the same shitty tasks every single day , you see there are no stars falling down for you . and you realize you are trapped and got mocked up to, you get that cold slap on your face and you either wake up or you become numb to this life , luckily I think I got woke up since am here knowing that i need to burn my a$$ working to get out of mediocrity, to be continued ......
 

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My feel on this is, you can't lump "not entreprenuers" on an entire generation based on a stat of a minority being unscrupulous. My bet is most of those 27% are "unplugged" or believe themselves to be and therefor laugh at ratrace ethics in the same way you do MJ. You being a guy who said you like to piss people off with your wealth at times.

I hardly think that is a reliable assumption to place on millenials.
In fact my belief is that millenials are made into the SCAPEGOATS of the boomer generation. We are left to clean up the MESS and DESTRUCTION left behind by egotistical maniacs. Who want and need someone to blame so punch down while they can't look in the mirror.

The self denial of baby boomers is INCREDIBLE. And millenials INHERIT it at first. But over time we see how screwed we are and we SHED self denial, and become totally aware and fierce fighters. Anyone saying we KEEP that self entitlement is STUPID, only the dumbest of us keep it, the rest of us hit brick walls and START TO THINK.

I believe huge change is coming in this generation, and it will either take the form of bitterness or of generousity. And this will trigger soon, in the next 10-15 years.
Gotta remember, BOOMERS still hold all the keys, and once the keys start dropping to the floor, thats when you'll see it change.

To make the point that millenials have power right now, or should is preposterous, are we meant to beat people doing it longer? No, once you see the average millenial have some power you'll see a change, until then it is just speculation based on your own confirmation biases.
 
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Tanishatheangel

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My feel on this is, you can't lump "not entreprenuers" on an entire generation based on a stat of a minority being unscrupulous. My bet is most of those 27% are "unplugged" or believe themselves to be and therefor laugh at ratrace ethics in the same way you do MJ. You being a guy who said you like to piss people off with your wealth at times.

I hardly think that is a reliable assumption to place on millenials.
In fact my belief is that millenials are made into the SCAPEGOATS of the boomer generation. We are left to clean up the MESS and DESTRUCTION left behind by egotistical maniacs. Who want and need someone to blame so punch down while they can't look in the mirror.

The self denial of baby boomers is INCREDIBLE. And millenials INHERIT it at first. But over time we see how screwed we are and we SHED self denial, and become totally aware and fierce fighters. Anyone saying we KEEP that self entitlement is STUPID, only the dumbest of us keep it, the rest of us hit brick walls and START TO THINK.

I believe huge change is coming in this generation, and it will either take the form of bitterness or of generousity. And this will trigger soon, in the next 10-15 years.
Gotta remember, BOOMERS still hold all the keys, and once the keys start dropping to the floor, thats when you'll see it change.

To make the point that millenials have power right now, or should is preposterous, are we meant to beat people doing it longer? No, once you see the average millenial have some power you'll see a change, until then it is just speculation based on your own confirmation biases.

i'd like more details on ways you think things will change, i know some of us i'm included in the group have seen our parents struggling and also know there's such a major increase in national debt that we're afraid taxes will ever wipe out any chance at sustaining a high standard of living so instead of saving / preparing / starting businesses/ investing we're mainly sticking to our checking accounts at least i am
 

Tanishatheangel

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My feel on this is, you can't lump "not entreprenuers" on an entire generation based on a stat of a minority being unscrupulous. My bet is most of those 27% are "unplugged" or believe themselves to be and therefor laugh at ratrace ethics in the same way you do MJ. You being a guy who said you like to piss people off with your wealth at times.

I hardly think that is a reliable assumption to place on millenials.
In fact my belief is that millenials are made into the SCAPEGOATS of the boomer generation. We are left to clean up the MESS and DESTRUCTION left behind by egotistical maniacs. Who want and need someone to blame so punch down while they can't look in the mirror.

The self denial of baby boomers is INCREDIBLE. And millenials INHERIT it at first. But over time we see how screwed we are and we SHED self denial, and become totally aware and fierce fighters. Anyone saying we KEEP that self entitlement is STUPID, only the dumbest of us keep it, the rest of us hit brick walls and START TO THINK.

I believe huge change is coming in this generation, and it will either take the form of bitterness or of generousity. And this will trigger soon, in the next 10-15 years.
Gotta remember, BOOMERS still hold all the keys, and once the keys start dropping to the floor, thats when you'll see it change.

To make the point that millenials have power right now, or should is preposterous, are we meant to beat people doing it longer? No, once you see the average millenial have some power you'll see a change, until then it is just speculation based on your own confirmation biases.

thank you for that
 

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