We are all KINGS!!! (Reclaiming Masculinity in the Modern Day)

[Ayanle Farah]

False dilemma fallacy.

Time to end this.

False Dilemma: When only two choices are presented yet more exist, or a spectrum of possible choices exists between two extremes. False dilemmas are usually characterized by “either this or that” language, but can also be characterized by omissions of choices.

Incase you're wondering, I got this definition from here: False Dilemma

Here are some of the things ChickenHawk said.

Women (and society) need to do a better job of appreciating men for the many wonderful things they bring to the table.

Guys are seriously awesome, and I think it's time for them to receive a lot more appreciation for all the things they've done to make this world a wonderful place.

Let's break it down, the post was primarily about the ridicule, and insults that men receive by society growing up that have become somewhat of a norm. It mentions how men contributed to safety, comfort and our advancement and should be more appreciated.

To dumb it down further: Men helped society so women and society should be grateful and quit bashing them - that was ChickenHawk's reasoning.

I chimed in basically saying while that is true, they helped because they could help, implying women if in a similar position would also contribute to society and thus be equally deserving of appreciation.

You claimed men did this and that, and therefore should be appreciated more, indirectly saying women did nothing.
That's why I stated the reason men alone did such things was because they had the opportunity and women did not.

I'm not a fan of blowing things out of proportion, we should be grateful to the people who contributed who happened to be mostly men but looking at things in isolation and ignoring the reason why men almost solely contributed to society is not a fair thing to do.

"You claimed men did this and that and therefore should be appreciated more" means "You stated men contributed to safety, comfort and advancement(ChickenHawk's words) and thus are entitled to appreciation by women and society".

"Indirectly saying women did nothing" means "By claiming men are entitled to appreciation for their accomplishments, you unintentionally exclude women from receiving that same appreciation on the grounds of them not having achieved anything or atleast, not as much as men did, but men had a freedom they take for granted that women did not have and in the same position women would have contributed equally."


So in short(TLDR)
False Dilemma: When only two choices are presented yet more exist, or a spectrum of possible choices exists between two extremes. False dilemmas are usually characterized by “either this or that” language, but can also be characterized by omissions of choices.'

I didn't commit a false dilemma fallacy because there was only one way you could intepret ChickenHawk's post and that's what I did.
I believed those who read my post above would have enough common sense to understand my point but I was proven wrong in that regard.

 

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[MidwestLandlord]

The only role I care about is mine. -And my only role is progressing my life in the direction I want to take it. I get called selfish for that.

That's the only way to live IMO. I'm selfish and I make no apologies for it.

For some that includes a spouse, for others it doesn't...it's all good.

Society confuses me on a daily basis.

You and me both.

 

[G-Man]

there was only one way you could intepret ChickenHawk's post and that's what I did.

False dilemmas are usually characterized by “either this or that” language, but can also be characterized by omissions of choices.'

Refer to above.

I believed those who read my post above would have enough common sense to understand my point but I was proven wrong in that regard.

Appeal to common sense fallacy.

... again


For realsies? G-man signing off.

 

[Spicymemer45]

Share some experiences some fastlaners may have with growing up without a father or (GOOD) father figure in the house.

I personally had an absent father and my mother would make me feel ashamed for expressing my natural state in a way.

(I was conditioned, bark, bark)

But it still didn't feel RIGHT

My Step-Dad came in as soon as I started Highschool, AND BOY OH BOY did he beat my a$$ and discipline the hell out of me sometimes, but I love him all the more for it.

Anyone else?

 

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[G-Man]

Share some experiences some fastlaners may have with growing up without a father or (GOOD) father figure in the house.

I personally had an absent father and my mother would make me feel ashamed for expressing my natural state in a way.

(I was conditioned, bark, bark)

But it still didn't feel RIGHT

My Step-Dad came in as soon as I started Highschool, AND BOY OH BOY did he beat my a$$ and discipline the hell out of me sometimes, but I love him all the more for it.

Anyone else?

Thanks for pointing the conversation back to a productive direction. Apologies for being part of the derail. I tend to do that, and I'm sorry.

 

[Spicymemer45]

Thanks for righting the ship to a productive direction. Apologies for being part of the derail. I tend to do that, and I'm sorry.

I remember when I first joined, you had to set me straight too.

Cheers then! lol

 

[Ayanle Farah]

Refer to above.

Strawman.

... again
For realsies? G-man signing off.

Fallacy Fallacy.

Sign off before you embarrass yourself.

 

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[Brian C.]

@Ayanle Farah You've done nothing but derail two positive (inevitably Gold) threads on the forum today here today.

Arguing over which fallacy is which is rooted in your need to be "right" instead of being constructive.

I thought you might've gotten the point after SL asked you to withdraw from posting on his progress thread, but you clearly didn't.

I don't give a shit which "fallacy" you're trying to explain. Every post you continue to make here departs further and further from the OP, and it's about time you stop.

Some would argue the only reason men alone were able to make contributions to safety, comfort and advancement is because women were oppressed and never given a chance to.

And it's not even your dissenting view! We welcome a variety of opinions (even if rooted in the victim mentality).

Let's get back on track, quit bickering, and be constructive.

 

[Ayanle Farah]

@Ayanle Farah You've done nothing but derail two positive (inevitably Gold) threads on the forum today here today.

Arguing over which fallacy is which is rooted in your need to be "right" instead of being constructive.

I thought you might've gotten the point after SL asked you to withdraw from posting on his progress thread, but you clearly didn't.

I don't give a shit which "fallacy" you're trying to explain. Every post you continue to make here departs further and further from the OP, and it's about time you stop.



And it's not even your dissenting view! We welcome a variety of opinions (even if rooted in the victim mentality).

Let's get back on track, quit bickering, and be constructive.

You view my posts on the previous thread as derailing but I was completely on topic the whole time, made my point and left when asked to.

Here I stated my opinion(which I think you're allowed to do here) and it wasn't my intention to get caught up in the immature comments from G-man.

However, I apologize for any off topic posts I've made and I will leave this thread to allow the rest of you to continue your discussions,

Au Revoir.

 

[MidwestLandlord]

Share some experiences some fastlaners may have with growing up without a father or (GOOD) father figure in the house.

I personally had an absent father and my mother would make me feel ashamed for expressing my natural state in a way.

I've said about as much as I will about my mother on an open forum, earlier in this thread. My father wasn't absent BTW.

But since this epic thread is about reclaiming masculinity, I'll chime in on that I suppose (good job on the thread topic @Spicymemer45 )

I think the key to "reclaiming masculinity" is to see through the bullshit. After that, you can decide what being a man means to you.

But, you have to see through societies version of "being a man" first, realize the falsehoods that are fed to you since birth, and move past them.

Just off the top of my head:

"Be a nice guy"
"Be a player"
"Slowlane"
"Don't be selfish"
"Get married or you'll be a lonely old man"
"ADHD"
"Toxic masculinity"

From mainstream media saying women love nice guys, to PUA websites saying if you aren't banging 100 women a year you're a loser, to doctor's putting little boys on Ritalin, to men being told to "settle down, stop being selfish, and get married or you'll be lonely", and of course, "get a stable job!"...

...it's all complete and utter bullshit.

MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES.

Be responsible for those choices, and hold yourself accountable to making choices that allow you to live the life YOU WANT.

Not what some faceless shmuck said on some website somewhere, or your mother whom I'm sure means well, or your sister, or whomever.

We all have our pasts. We all have our story. But none of us can change the past.

But we all have our futures too, and that future is made up of our choices. Some of us will allow society to choose for us, and then play victim when things go wrong. Some of us will take control, make our own choices, and then own those choices.

This topic pushes some serious buttons for me, sorry for the rant. But the TL;DR is:

MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES.

Don't allow society to make your choices for you.
Don't allow your past to make your choices for you.

 

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[Spicymemer45]

I've said about as much as I will about my mother on an open forum, earlier in this thread. My father wasn't absent BTW.

But since this epic thread is about reclaiming masculinity, I'll chime in on that I suppose (good job on the thread topic @Spicymemer45 )

I think the key to "reclaiming masculinity" is to see through the bullshit. After that, you can decide what being a man means to you.

But, you have to see through societies version of "being a man" first, realize the falsehoods that are fed to you since birth, and move past them.

Just off the top of my head:

"Be a nice guy"
"Be a player"
"Slowlane"
"Don't be selfish"
"Get married or you'll be a lonely old man"
"ADHD"
"Toxic masculinity"

From mainstream media saying women love nice guys, to PUA websites saying if you aren't banging 100 women a year you're a loser, to doctor's putting little boys on Ritalin, to men being told to "settle down, stop being selfish, and get married or you'll be lonely", and of course, "get a stable job!"...

...it's all complete and utter bullshit.

MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES.

Be responsible for those choices, and hold yourself accountable to making choices that allow you to live the life YOU WANT.

Not what some faceless shmuck said on some website somewhere, or your mother whom I'm sure means well, or your sister, or whomever.

We all have our pasts. We all have our story. But none of us can change the past.

But we all have our futures too, and that future is made up of our choices. Some of us will allow society to choose for us, and then play victim when things go wrong. Some of us will take control, make our own choices, and then own those choices.

This topic pushes some serious buttons for me, sorry for the rant. But the TL;DR is:

MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES.

Don't allow society to make your choices for you.
Don't allow your past to make your choices for you.

How F*cking dare you think I TL;DR'd that!

Ha, but this was actually awesome! I'm what you would say fixated on this topic as well, Thanks!

 

[Siberia]

(Before I begin, this is in the form of a book called "The 4 Archetypes of Man" - By Carl Jung

Throughout all of human existence, a king watches his domain as it grows over the Earth.

(What a business Clichè)

I have struggled with the aspect of who I am as a man throughout my young life due to the absence of my father, a event many men can relate to in this day.

My mother did her best but it's difficult to teach something that's simply natural when it isn't natural to someone. The "Mentoring" aspect applies to this as well, a father raises up his son to be a man (or not), as we also seek assistance in TFLF.

We all see the problem. How to fix it with the 4 Archetypes of Man

1.) The KING

- The king in his fullness orders and blesses. Lording over his Kingdom, the King works for the prosperity of himself and his people, blessing those who have earned such and punishing/ignoring the cowards and plotters.

2.) The Lover
- Emotions are a scale between passive bliss and indulgent destruction, a balance of full presence does a man well. To fully be engaged in life and his surroundings and to savor the present, the now. The now is all we are guaranteed. This is applicable in all areas of life (Sex, Romance, Work)

3.) The WARRIOR
- Men have the "nose to the grind" mentality when it comes to work that they're passionate about. We turn off the emotions and get in the dirt, we have the ability to become killers, relentless in action and pursuit.

4.) The Magician
Like MJ said in his book, an idea is the speedometer, you are the accelerator. The Magician uses his specialized knowledge in combine with the Warrior to accomplish his goals and bless the populace with his knowledge and his works!

I hope this post helped alot

Cheers!- Grayson. J

To complete the work we are still two figures that can be found in classical literature on wealth in the example of : "Invisible Directors" of Napoleon Hill
and in the modern on personal growth aimed at wealth in the example of " Mentors Imaginary "by Claudio Bellotti .

Both Hill Bellotti Jung give us with their metaphorical figures of the tools to activate the ..."INVISIBLE FORCES"... to which we all have access and that can help us to control and condition our mind as we want.

The common denominator 'feed our positive thinking with Magic of Making driven by a burning desire.

Desire for it? Of wealth.

I consider very interesting the archetype of Hill:

The human brain and 'a receiving station and the vibration of thought.

- The subconscious and 'the broadcast station of the brain that is the one that transmits the vibrations of thought.
- Creative visualization and 'the receiver by means of which are picked up the energies of other people's thoughts.
- Auto-suggestion, and 'the tool that enables the diffusion station.

A procedure disarming in its simplicity '..... but it does not work to transmute the desire for riches in real wealth, if not' supported by feeling, passion and a burning desire.

 

[Niptuck MD]

For at least 20 years, probably more, men have been undervalued, ridiculed, and seriously taken for granted in just about every way. Today, they're the only people you can mock with impunity, stereotype, and blame for all the world's ills without recognizing the incredible contributions they've made to our safety, our comfort, our medical advancements, and so much more. When is the last time anyone told a guy to be proud of who he is? Of his masculinity? Or of his heritage, especially if there isn't any diversity in his family tree?

I do think men need to reclaim their masculinity. But women (and society) need to do a better job of appreciating men for the many wonderful things they bring to the table.

IMO, we as a society should be ashamed of the messages we're sending our young men in particular -- that they're not important, that they're somehow worth less than women, that they're somehow the root of all the problems in this world. Guys are seriously awesome, and I think it's time for them to receive a lot more appreciation for all the things they've done to make this world a wonderful place.

The american society is a farce nowadays and we can thank the advent of extreme feminism (which is entirely hypocritical to begin with) and the unforunate power of the "p" to the demise of the modern day heterosexual american red blooded man. He has to deal not only with work pressure, financial pressure and physical stresses but also that of the opposite sex, status, etc etc he cannot focus; how many worthy men have lost it all due to divorce or due to failed relationships or how many attempted to become an entrepreneur only to be curtailed by a gf or spouse that did not approve? If its always been about control then women have completely controlled men for the best 15-20 years or so... Part of me is grateful trump has grabbed em by the "labia major" because god knows what would have happened if hil-dog won.... sheeeshh

 

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[Vigilante]

The american society is a farce nowadays and we can thank the advent of extreme feminism (which is entirely hypocritical to begin with) and the unforunate power of the "p" to the demise of the modern day heterosexual american red blooded man. He has to deal not only with work pressure, financial pressure and physical stresses but also that of the opposite sex, status, etc etc he cannot focus; how many worthy men have lost it all due to divorce or due to failed relationships or how many attempted to become an entrepreneur only to be curtailed by a gf or spouse that did not approve? If its always been about control then women have completely controlled men for the best 15-20 years or so... Part of me is grateful trump has grabbed em by the "labia major" because god knows what would have happened if hil-dog won.... sheeeshh

This is the direction I knew you overly testosterone laced sexually repressed misogenic children would take this thread.

The forum has rules and the last page of posts violated several. This interesting topic is now relegated to the dust heap of forum history with footnotes of those incapable of posting without wrecking it.

The value of opinions exchanged was good, especially from the OP and @ChickenHawk specifically, and in their defense I am halting the juvenile direction you frat boys and women haters are headed in.

You've lived up to my expectations, unfortunately.

Thread closed unless one of the other mods wants to take the time to clean it up.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Thread reopened, try keeping it in line with the spirit of the original thread starter, who BTW, is a woman.

Thanks ...

And please, don't make me use the "banned from thread" function.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Thread reopened, try keeping it in line with the spirit of the original thread starter, who BTW, is a woman.

Glad to see this reopened! A quick point of clarification though, I believe the actual thread-starter was a guy, even though my plea to stop male-bashing kind of overtook the thread. (I just didn't want to take undeserved credit for the original post.)

 

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[Spicymemer45]

Thread reopened, try keeping it in line with the spirit of the original thread starter, who BTW, is a woman.

Thanks ...

And please, don't make me use the "banned from thread" function.

OHHH BOYYYYY!!!!

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Glad to see this reopened! A quick point of clarification though, I believe the actual thread-starter was a guy, even though my plea to stop male-bashing kind of overtook the thread. (I just didn't want to take undeserved credit for the original post.)

My bad, for some reason I thought you started it.

 

[Mattie]

Some would argue the only reason men alone were able to make contributions to safety, comfort and advancement is because women were oppressed and never given a chance to.

I believe women had a chance too if you dig deeper into matriarchial societies. I believe we have a small limited view of the last century, and forget all the history behind different civilizations. I believe it all became very distorted and out of balance over time on both ends of the spectrum, and like M.J. stated, History Repeats itself in time.

 

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[Mattie]

I see in this where women supposedly "Rule" common pattern I keep seeing is Men do the leadership, politics, and manage things. Perhaps they just allow the women to believe they're in charge. lol
6 Modern Societies Where Women Literally Rule

 

[Kak]

I was talking about this thread with my wife. She brought up a point I had never considered before...

When women are the "first" to do something or when women do something really amazing or notable, this rabid feminism has created an environment that honors them for being a woman that did those things and not just honoring the achievement. She is annoyed by it. She says you either achieved something or you didn't.

Then we went on to discuss the race division in this country as well. The first Hispanic to do X, black businessman of the year... This kind of crap does a disservice to the very people who achieved something. The funny thing is, the so called minority is actually the majority and it's a super majority of you count the white guilt folks.

If someone achieves something after being handed an advantage to begin with via things like hiring quotas or affirmative action did they really achieve anything notable anyway?

Just an interesting post I thought would add to the conversation.

 

[Kak]

When we did the premarital counseling thing at Church before we got married, the pastor brought up a very valuable and interesting point to us.

-Women seek security above most else.
-Men seek respect.

We both looked at each other and said he nailed it.

This has been something that has been very helpful to us in better understanding each other.

 

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[MidwestLandlord]

-Women seek security above most else.
-Men seek respect.

And neither of those things will survive long without the other.

 

[GMSI7D]

When we did the premarital counseling thing at Church before we got married, the pastor brought up a very valuable and interesting point to us.

-Women seek security above most else.
-Men seek respect.

We both looked at each other and said he nailed it.

This has been something that has been very helpful to us in better understanding each other.

no matter what you achieve in life, you remain the king of your life anyway

the point is to convince people of the same thing .

people will treat you the way you treat yourself. the outside is a mirror

so respect springs from within

 

[Ayanle Farah]

I believe women had a chance too if you dig deeper into matriarchial societies. I believe we have a small limited view of the last century, and forget all the history behind different civilizations. I believe it all became very distorted and out of balance over time on both ends of the spectrum, and like M.J. stated, History Repeats itself in time.

Yeah I know but it would be harder for a woman to get out and do the things men were doing in those times. It's not the whole truth, it could also be because they were just not interested enough to ever get involved in those matters.

Even in today's society where women are empowered, they are more interested in fashion, and gossip than contributing to humanity.
Though to be fair, most men are more interested in tonight's game so it goes both ways.

 

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[GMSI7D]

last summer, i was at a party in the french riviera. i was talking with an old guy

i said
" look, you have been a very successful guys with a lot of women, a lot of money and so on"

this is unbelievable

what happened ? "





he said :

" well let me tell you part of the story.

i was a 21 years old virgin and a girl said to me that i would never achieve anything in my life, i was a shy guy , a loser, a quitter , a whiner.

i promised myself that this would never happen again. no girls or anyone or anything would treat me like shit again"

and yes nobody ever dared to treat me like shit since this famous day "


"you have to be an a**hole to achieve anything in life or people will destroy you "

 

[Mattie]

interested in fashion, and gossip

This is very true. I think I've been slammed most of my life, because I had more guy friends, and was always more interested in philosophical discussions, art, out door sports in Michigan, and learning something of value. In my home town, which is small, this is what most women do, they sit on their porch and watch the neighborhood and then go sit at the local restaurant and talk about the towns gossip. Whether it's business folk, church folk, or whoever the latest news on what everyone else is doing is the fan fiction of the day. I used to live across the street from one woman who just knew everything in the whole area. lol Fashion is the other top priority. That's been that way in my hometown for as long as I can remember.

 

[jsk29]

last summer, i was at a party in the french riviera. i was talking with an old guy

i said
" look, you have been a very successful guys with a lot of women, a lot of money and so on"

this is unbelievable

what happened ? "





he said :

" well let me tell you part of the story.

i was a 21 years old virgin and a girl said to me that i would never achieve anything in my life, i was a shy guy , a loser, a quitter , a whiner.

i promised myself that this would never happen again. no girls or anyone or anything would treat me like shit again"

and yes nobody ever dared to treat me like shit since this famous day "


"you have to be an a**hole to achieve anything in life or people will destroy you "

Timely

Listed to this podcast earlier today:
http://themfceo.com/entrepreneur-arent-andy-frisella-mfceo124/

[52:25]

Vaughn Kohler: You've been talking a lot about providing value. Andy you talked about leaving legacy. You know, I've heard a lot of people say that "money doesn't change you, it just brings out the kind of person you are. What is clear to me, is that, prior to getting money, both of you guys were quality human beings. And the money - over time - you realized that the money wasn't going to make you happy, it's all the things you could do with it. And yes, you said you agree that material stuff isn't bad.

But you also referenced the kids that just wanna be "ballers." What happens if a person like that, when they're just not a good person; how do they become - in your mind - how do they become a good person to therefore be motivated by the things you guys are saying?

Because I feel like you guys can talk as long as you want about, "No you gotta be motivated by legacy and No you gotta be motivated by providing value and solving peoples' problems". But reality is, there are people out there that are just dbags. You know what I'm saying?

Andy Friscella: Here's my take. It's like natural selection, okay. When you're a F*ckin douchebag, and you're in it for your selfish reasons, you're in it for yourself, you're all about the bling bling and that's F*cking it and you don't give a F*ck about anybody -- it's very hard to build success.

Because to build success you can't do it on your own. You have to have people who are genuinely interested, genuinely committed, genuinely engaged in what it is you're doing. And if you're a F*cking dickhead, all the time -- even not all the time, even if you're good at hiding it -- people are going to eventually see you for who you are and they're not going to want to work with you. They're not going to want to help you.

...

I've met a lot of F*cking successful people, and I know you have too, like a LOT. And almost all of them understand the concepts that we're talking about. Of providing a solution, providing quality, providing value, so to speak. And doing that not only with their customers, but with their employees.

Gerard Adams: It's the way they live their lives

Andy Friscella: Dude, all the self-made guys. None -- I don't know anybody that is self-made, that is a selfish, SOB, because dude the problem is -- well not the problem.

The truth is, back in the day, because there wasn't social media and there wasn't transparency and there wasn't all these easy ways to access people. People could be dicks and they could be successful because nobody saw them. But nowadays, do you think it's possible to be successful without social media? I think you can but it's going to be limited. It's not going to be on a global scale, or even a national scale anymore. Because people wanna buy from F*cking PEOPLE.

And if you're a dongbag and you can't -- you know -- you can't represent the right shit; you don't have a good heart, you don't treat people right, you're all in it for your own.. it doesn't take 20 years for people to find out. It takes F*ckin' 20 days.

[56:00]

 

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[GMSI7D]

Timely

Listed to this podcast earlier today:
http://themfceo.com/entrepreneur-arent-andy-frisella-mfceo124/

[52:25]

Vaughn Kohler: You've been talking a lot about providing value. Andy you talked about leaving legacy. You know, I've heard a lot of people say that "money doesn't change you, it just brings out the kind of person you are. What is clear to me, is that, prior to getting money, both of you guys were quality human beings. And the money - over time - you realized that the money wasn't going to make you happy, it's all the things you could do with it. And yes, you said you agree that material stuff isn't bad.

But you also referenced the kids that just wanna be "ballers." What happens if a person like that, when they're just not a good person; how do they become - in your mind - how do they become a good person to therefore be motivated by the things you guys are saying?

Because I feel like you guys can talk as long as you want about, "No you gotta be motivated by legacy and No you gotta be motivated by providing value and solving peoples' problems". But reality is, there are people out there that are just dbags. You know what I'm saying?

Andy Friscella: Here's my take. It's like natural selection, okay. When you're a F*ckin douchebag, and you're in it for your selfish reasons, you're in it for yourself, you're all about the bling bling and that's F*cking it and you don't give a F*ck about anybody -- it's very hard to build success.

Because to build success you can't do it on your own. You have to have people who are genuinely interested, genuinely committed, genuinely engaged in what it is you're doing. And if you're a F*cking dickhead, all the time -- even not all the time, even if you're good at hiding it -- people are going to eventually see you for who you are and they're not going to want to work with you. They're not going to want to help you.

...

I've met a lot of F*cking successful people, and I know you have too, like a LOT. And almost all of them understand the concepts that we're talking about. Of providing a solution, providing quality, providing value, so to speak. And doing that not only with their customers, but with their employees.

Gerard Adams: It's the way they live their lives

Andy Friscella: Dude, all the self-made guys. None -- I don't know anybody that is self-made, that is a selfish, SOB, because dude the problem is -- well not the problem.

The truth is, back in the day, because there wasn't social media and there wasn't transparency and there wasn't all these easy ways to access people. People could be dicks and they could be successful because nobody saw them. But nowadays, do you think it's possible to be successful without social media? I think you can but it's going to be limited. It's not going to be on a global scale, or even a national scale anymore. Because people wanna buy from F*cking PEOPLE.

And if you're a dongbag and you can't -- you know -- you can't represent the right shit; you don't have a good heart, you don't treat people right, you're all in it for your own.. it doesn't take 20 years for people to find out. It takes F*ckin' 20 days.

[56:00]

i am not here to tell you what to do

i am here to tell you what the guy has done

the guy does not need your approval or anyone approval here.

in fact, i have analysed his life

this is profound and counter intuitive


the logical thing to do : treat your customers well and santa claus will give you gifts at the end of the year in a happy society

what the guy used to do : boss things around , kick a$$ and customers will respect and give you money


yes this is counter intuitive

that's why i never went anywhere with women and success until now

 

[Ayanle Farah]

This is very true. I think I've been slammed most of my life, because I had more guy friends, and was always more interested in philosophical discussions, art, out door sports in Michigan, and learning something of value. In my home town, which is small, this is what most women do, they sit on their porch and watch the neighborhood and then go sit at the local restaurant and talk about the towns gossip. Whether it's business folk, church folk, or whoever the latest news on what everyone else is doing is the fan fiction of the day. I used to live across the street from one woman who just knew everything in the whole area. lol Fashion is the other top priority. That's been that way in my hometown for as long as I can remember.

I see, that's interesting. I was speaking from personal experience with women but I didn't know I was spot on like that.