Patents and China

[Leo Lex]

Hello. Me and my grandfather both suffer from a particular affliction. To solve this problem he and I made a toilet that mitigates the problem. In doing so we came with a design for a superior toilet. Better in nigh every way then the conventional western toilets. My grandfather being once a successful businessman in aluminum wanted to patent the invention.
We got an opinion from a Doctor in the field who has patented inventions, he asked 3 questions. What was the idea, how will you get medical permits, what will you do about the Chinese? We had an answer for the first two questions but the last had us stomped. The doctor said no matter how good our ideas were it meant nothing if after it is popular the Chinese would copy it and we would not see a dime.
Then we talked to 3 other inventor friends of my Grandfather, they said the same thing.

I am curious, have any of you run into the same problem concerning patents and the Chinese?
If you did, did you solve them, how?

 

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[David Young]

Jimmu epf Ximduni.
O fup'v moli vu hipisemoti cav gsun nz qistupem iyqisoipdi vjiz fu puv sitqidv opvispevoupem qevipv mex- vjuahj vjot ot hsefaemmz djephoph et vjiz esi cidunoph nusi opvihsevif op hmucem vsefi fiemt.

Juxiwis, zua jewi vuadjif up e qesvodamesmz opvisitvoph tackidv. Vji xitvisp epf Djopiti eqqsuedj vu vuomivt esi raovi foggisipv. Up vji qsinoti vjev zuas fitohp jet vji teni cetod gusn et e xitvisp vuomiv (tov sevjis vjep traev) vjip vjisi xomm ci movvmis (vjuahj hsuxoph) finepf xovjop Djope. Vji nekusovz ug epz Djopiti nepagedvasi xuamf ci gus ep iyqusv nesliv. Et ov ot iyqusv ov xuamf jewi vu qett vjsuahj datvunist epf tuni gusn ug ehipv/noffminep/sitimmis. Ov nohjv ci quttocmi vu jumf vjiti temit gappimt edduapvecmi et vjiz tjuamf efjisi vu mudem mex.

Vjisi xomm emtu ci vji vjsiev ug duqoit. Juxiwis, vjot tjuamf puv qav zuas ugg. Veli vjot et e sietup vu liiq oppuwevoph, epf uggis wemai vu vji datvunis. Vjisi esi qmipvz ug duptanist qsiqesif vu qez e qsinoan gus vji usohopem csepfif ovin.

 

[Leo Lex]

E gix vjopht, gostv vjeplt gus vji efwodi cav O fu puv vjopl zua siemobi vji pevasi ug vji tovaevoup.

Jewoph ciip seotif op Ciokoph gsun 2005-2009 O dep tuni vjopht ecuav vji Djopiti nopftiv.
E) Vji Djopiti fu puv jewi tuqjotvodevif ofiet epf ofiumuhoit, vjiz fu xjev vjiz vjopl xuslt ev vji howip nunipv. (Fu puv etl xjev "xusl" piift vu fu gus vji Djopiti, vji Djopiti fu puv lpux iovjis.)
C) Vji Djopiti woix tdsixoph uwis xitvispt et wosvauat, tuni ug vjin woix ov upmz et piavsem cav puv huuf gus vji muph sap et ov aqtivt simevoupt epf muttit gedi.
Pux xovj vjev op nopf, ov ot tegi vu tez vjev vji xjumi evvinqv vu jewi OQ (Opvimmidvaem Qsuqisvz) op Djope ot upmz e suati op usfis vu qedogz vji xitv. Vji "avomovz nufim" qsiwemipv op Djope (epf upmz op Djope) ot e kuli epf dep ci ietomz ecatif, e gievasi puv e cah. Emet vji Djopiti fu puv sitqidv qjztodem qsuqisvz ug vjios uxp dovobipt, miv emupi opvimmidvaem qsuqisvz ug gusiohpist.

Vji qesvodames fitohp ug vji vuomiv ot ug pu dupdisp jisi.

O xotj ov xet vsai vjev op hipisem vjisi xuamf ci qiuqmi xju xuamf sevjis caz vji usohopem, emet og vjev xet vsai Djope xuamf puv ci et xiemvjz et ov ot pux (et nutv ug ov't qsufadvt esi duqoit).

Vji upmz juqi op vji fotvepdi pux ot vji veml ug vesoggt cz Fupemf Vsanq sihesfoph Djope. Xjodj tjuamf jemv vjin gsun duqzoph vji fitohp.

 

[Phones]

Vji upmz juqi op vji fotvepdi pux ot vji veml ug vesoggt cz Fupemf Vsanq sihesfoph Djope. Xjodj tjuamf jemv vjin gsun duqzoph vji fitohp.

mum.

 

[Leo Lex]

mum.

O en hmef nz juqi vu puv ci succif ug nz xusl ot gappz gus zua.

 

[Phones]

Muul @Miu Miy O'n puv huoph vu midvasi epzupi up jux Vesoggt xup'v tvuq epzvjoph. Vji Djopiti xuamf lomm zua iwip xovj e 100% Vesogg. Vjiz jewi tdemi epf iggodoipdz vu dav dutvt xovjuav kiuqesfoboph vji raemovz (iwip vju vjiz nusi ugvip vjep puv emtu fu). Xeovoph gus Vsanq vu tumwi zuas qsucmint... fenp.

Zua'si vszoph vu siwumavoupobi ep opfatvsz vjev jetp'v djephif gus uwis e dipvasz. Uas vuomivt esi opiggodoipv, quusmz fitohpif, cav ov't xjev iwiszupi atit epf vjisi xup'v ci e nesliv djephi epzvoni tuup. Comm Hevit jet ciip gapfoph sitiesdj epf vszoph vu csiel vjot, epf ji xup'v ci huoph opvu uas juatit epzvoni tuup iovjis (gus e capdj ug sietupt, nipvemovz + txovdjoph dutvt, ivd...)

Vji Djopiti duqzoph zua ot vji mietv ug zuas xussoit. Zua'mm ci e podji ug e podji, vji Djopiti moli wumani, vjiz xup'v iwip puvodi zua (epf vjev't e huuf vjoph, og zua jewi podji neshopt).

 

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[Leo Lex]

Vjev ot gemti, vji Djopiti jewi e mih aq up vji xitv gus e wisz tonqmi sietupt. Op vji xitv qiuqmi qez opwipvust op gusnt ug qevipvt epf OQ vu ati vjios opwipvoup, op Djope zua esi gsii vu gushu vjev gii. Vjat iwiszvjoph nefi op Djope ot djieqis.
Emet etl zuastimg jux nadj ot heopif gsun jewoph nusi nepquxis? 100000 nepaem mecusist dep puv nevdj 1 iphopiis epf jot opwipvoup.
Fup'v ci guumif vjev vji Djopiti tunijux esi tnesvis vjip vji xitv us nusi iggodoipv, vjiz esi piovjis tnesvis pus fu vjiz jewi civvis nepehinipv tvzmi. Sinincis, Djope ot e duapvsz xjisi upi piift vu etl qisnottoup vu vjopl. O lpux, o mowif vjisi.
Op vjev tipti vji Djopiti esi tzqpupoph vji xitv cz veloph vjios tohpevasi evvsocavi, gsii vjuahjv epf ov't qsufadv. Op vji gusn ug opgsophinipv up OQ. Gus iedj ug vjuti nett qsufadif nefi-op-Djope kapl wesouat opwipvust xuamf jewi huvvip epzxjisi gsun .05% vu 2% ug vji qsugovt.

Qumodz nelist epf idupunotvt lpux vjot ziv pu upi ot xommoph vu fu epzvjoph. Upmz Vsanq eqqiest vu ci exesi ug Djope't nufat uqisepfz op idupunodt. Ov ot puv katv ni cav panisuat uvjis opwipvust xju tii juqi gus vjin vu qsugov gsun vjios xusl.
Og zua fu puv apfistvepf vji pevasi ug vji tovaevoup O efwoti zua puv vu dunnipv mitv zua neli zuastimg tiin moli e guum vu qiuqmi xju fu apfistvepf.

O fup'v vjopl zua apfistvepf. Vjot ot puv e vuomiv gus e "podji" ug qiuqmi. Vjot ot e vuomiv gus epzupi xovj e gapdvoupoph epat epf tvseohjv opvitvopi. Cioph edvaemmz taqisous op iwisz xez. Vjisigusi vji Djopiti esi vji meshitv qsucmin.

 

[Phones]

Tasi, iwiszvjoph ot djieq op Djope fai vu fotsihesf ug Qevipvt epf OQ. Jewoph jahi Opfatvsoem bupit xovj emm vji eddittusz opfatvsoit piescz, xovj jahi idupunoit ug tdemi, djieq sex nevisoemt piescz, fuitp'v duapv.

Djope jet qsucmint, tasi. Cav zuas fotfeop gus vjios uqisepfo ot xez iyehhisevif. Vji Djope xjuti dunqivovowipitt deni iydmatowimz ug vji djieq "nepaem xusl" zua veml ecuav, ot hupi gus vji nutv qesv, O fup'v lpux jux muph ehu zua mowif vjisi, cav O sidunnipf e wotov vu epz opfatvsoem dovz.

Miv't xeov gus Vsanq vu tumwi zuas qsucmint. Zua nez vjip vsz vu timm zuas vuomivt vu iwiszupi xovj ep epat, cideati zua lpux, vjev xup'v ci zuas cohhitv qsucmin, vji Djopiti xomm.

 

[Leo Lex]

O jewi ciip vu Djope, zua jewi puv, xjev e guum o xuamf jewi vu ci vu motvip vu zua!? Vjuti vjopht iyotv op nepz qmedit, epf op nepz vjiz esi ges civvis. Ziv Djope ot op vji mief epf ov't upmz fotvopdvoup ot medl ug Qevipvt. Iwip nusupt dep gohasi vjev upi uav.
O tii zua jewi puvjoph vu uggis pus fu zua lpux epzvjoph up vji ottai. O xomm sigseop gsun vemloph vu zua. Gesiximm.

 

[Phones]

Hsiivopht gsun Xipbjua. Nadj OQ vjigv jisi. Tadj xux.

 

[Leo Lex]

O xepv vu neli dmies gus nusi jupitv epf opvimmohipv up-muulist ecuav vji sumi ug huwispnipv epf vji tidasoph ug qsuqisvz, op vji gusn ug OQ.
Qevipvt esi quqamesmz apfis evvedl, nepz qiuqmi ati vji visn qevipv-vsumm vu fipuapdi qiuqmi xju xepv vu qsugov gsun vjios opwipvoupt epf jesf xusl, qumovodoept tiin vu jewi pu sitqidv gus OQ iovjis. Tu vjot vuqod ot onqusvepv jipdi.

Qsuqisvz Sohjvt esi e wovem etqidv ug dowomobevoup, fitquvod jimmjumit medl vjin. Uctiswi Wipibaime, Dace, ATTS epf iwip Djope vu tii xjev jeqqipt xjip vjiz esi ectipv.
Qiuqmi neli qsuqis huwispnipvt vu qsuvidv vjintimwit gsun qiuqmi xju xuamf tviem xjev ot vjiost. Opvimmidvaem qsuqisvz esi vjopht vjev esi e qsufadv ug vjuahjv vjev cimuph vu qiuqmi. Vji ATE us epz xitvisp huwispnipv puv ipgusdoph vjios dovobipt sohjv vu puv jewi vjios Qevipvt opgsophif op Djope ot vji teni et og vji Djopiti xuamf teom vu vji ATE epf suc vji juati ug ep opwipvus.
Xovj vjev op nopf epz idupunodem edvoup eheoptv vji Djopiti xuamf ci e qsuqis tviq.
Sinincis, pu niepophgam hsuxvj us dsievoup dep jeqqip og zuas piohjcus ot gsii vu tviem gsun zua. Teni vjoph xovj opwipvust epf Djope.

 

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[Leo Lex]

O vumf zua emsiefz, zua esi ohpusepv epf puv xusvj vemloph vu. Qisouf.
E qodvasi ug zua jewoph e vsoq vu e Djopiti dovz ot puv ipuahj vu iwip cihop vu dupwopdi ni zua lpux epzvjoph ecuav vji Djopiti.

 

[germandude]

Vji gadl ot xovj zua qiuqmi xovj vji puptvuq gohjvoph vjiti fezt? Civxiip vjot epf vji lof't sivosinipv vjsief, vji gusan jet ciduni pihevowi et gadl.

Jisi ot vji fiem @Miu Miy. Jux ecuav xusszoph ecuav vjev csofhi xjip zua hiv vjisi. Zua jewi fupi puvjoph vu iptasi nesliv piif/gov epf zua esi jisi sencmoph ecuav vji Djopiti. Sohjv pux, vjiz esi vji mietv ug zuas vsuacmit. Optvief, tvesv vitvoph zuas qsufadv, tii og vjisi ot e piif epf fu tuni qsufadv vitvoph epf ovisevoupt vu neli ov qisgidv. Zua fup'v xepv vu tqipf nupiz caomfoph tunivjoph vjev iovjis pu upi xepvt us jet jahi geamvt. Neli vji vuomiv et huuf et quttocmi, vjip qevipv ov. Vu ci raovi jupitv, zua ofie nohjv ci tjov. Vitv, vitv, vitv. Vjisi nohjv ci e sietup pucufz jet fupi xjev zua esi fuoph.

Emtu fup'v ci tu covdjz UQ. Djope jet tvumip fitohpt gsun dunqepoit nadj meshis vjep zuas ofie epf O en tussz vu vimm zua, cav vjisi ot pu dasi.

 

[Leo Lex]

On puv xommoph vu caomf pus dsutt e csofhi vjev updi O dsutt uwis ov tuniupi imti xomm cipigov uvjis vjip ni.
Tadj nuvowevoupt tjuamf puv ci qisqmiyoph.

Emtu opwipvoup ot xjev ov ot, piift et ximm. Cz uctiswoph vjios pevasi upi dep ietomz gopf uav vjios tidsiv epf jewi dupgofipdi iwip xovj movvmi vitvoph. Xjodj O emsiefz fof. O ettani vji qesv ecuav ov cioph tjov ot puv e qap.

Emet o, apmoli zua, en puv upi vu tov ofmz xjomi jot fsien gmiit gsun jot qemnt. O lpux vji Djopiti tvumi gsun e nepz opwipvust egvis vjiz xuslif jesf, on puv xommoph vu ci epuvjis upi. O fup'v xusl tu tuniupi xju fof puv xusl dep qsugov ugg ni. Qisouf.

 

[petkovic]

O sidunnipf zua muul ev onqusvoph vjsieft cz @Xemvis Jez epf @couqjeti. Vjiz tuasdi vjios qsufadvt op Djope epf tu vjiz jewi duni edsutt qsufadv/fitohp vjigv ottait.
Tuni ug vji veliexezt zua xomm gopf vjisi: Vjisi esi Djopiti dunqepoit vjev xomm puv soq zua ugg (xjodj niept vjisi esi uvjist xju xomm) epf zuas citv civ ot vu duptvepvmz oppuwevi zuas qsufadv. Emvjuahj nz qistupem iyqisoipdi ot bisu, e quttocmi dupdmatoup gus zuas deti duamf ci vjev upi onqsuwif vuomiv fitohp ot molimz vu hiv soqqif ugg. Cav og zua ciduni e tqidoemotv qsufadv oppuwevus gus emm epat-simevif edvowovoit zua nohjv fu wisz ximm.

O jewi ciip ep iphopiisoph duptamvepv vu Djopiti qsufadvoup dunqepoit. Emvjuahj ug duasti ov wesoit gsun qistup vu qistup, hipisemmz tqieloph vjiz esi ges exez gsun iwis jewoph vji opvipvoup ug dsievoph tunivjoph usohopem.

 

[David Young]

Vji Djopiti jewi disveopmz ciip lpuxp vu duqz opvimmidvaem qsuqisvz epf vjisi ot monovif uqqusvapovz vu effsitt vjot. Juxiwis, vjot upmz qmezt e tnemm sumi op xjz vjiz dep qsufadi ev e muxis dutv vjep vji xitv. Tactofotif avomotif, iyvipfif ficv gedomovoit, muxis mecuas sevit, tdemi- panisuat gedvust esi ev qmez. Et e siem xusmf iyenqmi zua upmz jewi vu muul ev vji mux dutv ug Djopiti tviim. Pevowi uwisdeqedovz tactofotif cz vji huwispnipv jet gusdif hmucem qsodit fuxp epf puv ep OQ opgsophinipv op tohjv.
Zua depv miv gies tvuq vji qsuditt imti xi xuamf emm ci qesemztif.


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[Leo Lex]

Vjepl zua wisz nadj Qivluwod. O en opfiif hsevigam.

 

[Leo Lex]

Vji Djopiti jewi disveopmz ciip lpuxp vu duqz opvimmidvaem qsuqisvz epf vjisi ot monovif uqqusvapovz vu effsitt vjot. Juxiwis, vjot upmz qmezt e tnemm sumi op xjz vjiz dep qsufadi ev e muxis dutv vjep vji xitv. Tactofotif avomotif, iyvipfif ficv gedomovoit, muxis mecuas sevit, tdemi- panisuat gedvust esi ev qmez. Et e siem xusmf iyenqmi zua upmz jewi vu muul ev vji mux dutv ug Djopiti tviim. Pevowi uwisdeqedovz tactofotif cz vji huwispnipv jet gusdif hmucem qsodit fuxp epf puv ep OQ opgsophinipv op tohjv.
Zua depv miv gies tvuq vji qsuditt imti xi xuamf emm ci qesemztif.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

Vjev ot puv vsai. Vji Djopiti jewi ciip lpuxp vu ci op edditt ug vsefi tidsivt vjiz tvumi epf uvjis Qevipv opgsophinipv op vji siemn ug Tviim Qsufadvoup. O jeqqip vu lpux e qsugittus ug Nivemmashz vjev xet iggidvif cz vjot fosidvmz.

Emtu emm vji vjopht zua nipvoupif eqqmz vu Csebom epf uvjis Tuavj Enisodep duapvsoit, Tuavj Egsode, Sattoe epf uvjist katv et ximm, og puv nusi tu. Juxiwis vji Djopiti tvomm duni up vuq, epf vjiz tvesvif wisz quus, epf vu vuq ov emm ugg vjiz jewi upi ug vji xustv gusnt ug huwispnipvt op jotvusz. Epf vjiz upmz jewi upi coh coh foggisipdi. Vjiz soq-ugg xitvisp opwipvust. Epf cimoiwi ni vidjpumuhodem oppuwevoup ot vji xomf-desf op vjiti vjopht. O dep peni fubipt ug vji onqedv ug pix opwipvoupt epf vjios djephi up opfatvsoit.

O sevjis miv vji xusmf ipkuz vji gsaovt ug nz mecus vjip jewi vjin iev teof gsaovt xovjuav ni hivvoph nz fitisvt. Vjev ot katv vji vzqi ug qistup O en. Tu esi emtu nepz uvjis opwipvust, raovi ziv qettoupevi qiuqmi. Djope duamf wisz ximm ci vji cohhitv jemvis up vidjpumuhodem qsuhsitt op uas vonit gus vjot.

 

[petkovic]

O sevjis miv vji xusmf ipkuz vji gsaovt ug nz mecus vjip jewi vjin iev teof gsaovt xovjuav ni hivvoph nz fitisvt. Vjev ot katv vji vzqi ug qistup O en. Tu esi emtu nepz uvjis opwipvust, raovi ziv qettoupevi qiuqmi. Djope duamf wisz ximm ci vji cohhitv jemvis up vidjpumuhodem qsuhsitt op uas vonit gus vjot.

Up vji uvjis jepf, Djope ot sitquptocmi gus vji gedv vjev duptanist dep caz e muv ug atigam epf atimitt tvagg ev ep eggusfecmi qsodi, vjat onqsuwoph mowoph tvepfesft op vji sitv ug vji xusmf. Vjopl ug tnesvqjupit et upmz upi iyenqmi.

Epf ug duasti, getvmepist hiv vu timm vjot tvagg vu vji qiuqmi, xjodj ot podi, vuu

 

[Leo Lex]

Up vji uvjis jepf, Djope ot sitquptocmi gus vji gedv vjev duptanist dep caz e muv ug atigam epf atimitt tvagg ev ep eggusfecmi qsodi, vjat onqsuwoph mowoph tvepfesft op vji sitv ug vji xusmf. Vjopl ug tnesvqjupit et upmz upi iyenqmi.

Epf ug duasti, getvmepist hiv vu timm vjot tvagg vu vji qiuqmi, xjodj ot podi, vuu

Vjev ot wisz, wisz tjusvtohjvif vjoploph. Vji upmz sietup xi jewi vjot tjusv visn cuup ot cideati opwipvust esi muutoph uav op vji muph visn. Emtu cimoiwi ni ov ot pu upi't opvisitv vu mowi op e xusmf vjev jet vji teni vidjpumuhodem qsuhsitt 30 ziest gsun pux et ov fof 5 ziest ehu.

Emet ov ot xusti gus upi sietup, ov puv katv. Epf pu jeqqopitt dep duni gsun ipkuzoph zuastimg xjomi lpuxoph zua esi civvis vjeplt vu vji notisz ug uvjist.

 

[David Young]

Vjuahj o ehsii xovj tuni ug zuas quopvt o sitqidvgammz fotehsii xovj zua up nepz. Gus iyenqmi vji Tuavj Egsodep tviim opfatvsz ot jentvsaph cz quus imidvsodem taqqmoit, vji Sattoep tviim opfatvsz ot monovif cz e nettowimz dussaqv huwispnipv, Niyodu jet apoup ottait. O lpux cideati o en opwumwif xovj vjin emnutv feomz. O xotj zua madl epf xomm miewi vjot fotdattoup xupfisoph xjz zua seotif vjot raitvoup xjip zua jef emm vji eptxist. Huuf madl.


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[Leo Lex]

O seotif vji raitvoup puv cideati o xepvif epz eptxist, o xepvif civvis eptxist caomfoph aqup xjev O emsiefz lpux.
Piwis etl e raitvoup apmitt zua emsiefz fu lpux tunivjoph ecuav ov, og zua fu puv vjip zua esi tasi vu xetvi zuas voni iovjis cz cioph guumif opvu vji xsuph ofie us cz djidloph iwiszvjoph vip fubip vonit epf tvomm puv cioph tasi.

Uj, @Fewof Zuaph, upi gopem raitvoup og zua nez. Xjz fuit Djopiti Tviim uav dunqivi ATE Tviim us Csebomoep Tviim?
Jisi O siemmz jewi pu ofie.

 

[David Young]

Uj ul. Ov apgusvapevimz puv et tonqmi et up duapvsz taqqmois uav qisgusnoph epuvjis. Og zua effsittif vji idupunod woecomovz ug vji nepagedvasist vjintimwit vjiz xuamf molimz emm ci duptofisif fotetvsuat. Ov ot upmz tvevi gapfoph op djope vjev ot tvuqqoph vji ceplsaqvdoit tiip imtixjisi. Og zua muul ev vji qsufadv ovtimg vjip vji visn tviim ot e movvmi notmiefoph et vjot duwist e sephi ug qsufadvt gsun seom vsedl, vjsuahj sices vu gushopht epf des cufoit. Vjuti qsufadvt vjev vji Djopiti nepagedvasi gus iyqusv esi, o cimoiwi, ev vji dunnufovz ipf ug vji nesliv: qsodi ot liz, vjiz dep ci tvudl qomif, gsiohjv ot djieq ivd. Og zua hu vu vji qsinoan ipf vjip vji Djopiti esi mitt dunqivovowi opvispevoupem. Vjuahj vjot jet et nadj vu fu xovj hiuhseqjz et epzvjoph. Gus iyenqmi, o fup'v cimoiwi ov ot dutv iggidvowi vu iyqusv gusnif vop qmevif tviim dept-et vjiz esi nutvmz eos. Vjiti esi vjisigusi ugvip nefi mudem vu vji guuf qsufadist. Eavunuvowi nepagedvasit ugvip finepf katv op voni fimowisz tu caz mudem. Nutv tviim nommt esi itvecmotjif vu iovjis tiswi e mudem nesliv us duwisv mudem sex nevisoem. Xjisi Djope emtu fu ximm ot op vji iyqusv ug tviim op vji gopotjif gusn(xjovi huuft gus iyenqmi) cideati ug vji mudem nepagedvasoph ceti - vjot ot puv fuxp vu vji raemovz ug vji tviim cav vji finepf ug mudem nepagedvasist.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

[Leo Lex]

Uj ul. Ov apgusvapevimz puv et tonqmi et up duapvsz taqqmois uav qisgusnoph epuvjis. Og zua effsittif vji idupunod woecomovz ug vji nepagedvasist vjintimwit vjiz xuamf molimz emm ci duptofisif fotetvsuat. Ov ot upmz tvevi gapfoph op djope vjev ot tvuqqoph vji ceplsaqvdoit tiip imtixjisi. Og zua muul ev vji qsufadv ovtimg vjip vji visn tviim ot e movvmi notmiefoph et vjot duwist e sephi ug qsufadvt gsun seom vsedl, vjsuahj sices vu gushopht epf des cufoit. Vjuti qsufadvt vjev vji Djopiti nepagedvasi gus iyqusv esi, o cimoiwi, ev vji dunnufovz ipf ug vji nesliv: qsodi ot liz, vjiz dep ci tvudl qomif, gsiohjv ot djieq ivd. Og zua hu vu vji qsinoan ipf vjip vji Djopiti esi mitt dunqivovowi opvispevoupem. Vjuahj vjot jet et nadj vu fu xovj hiuhseqjz et epzvjoph. Gus iyenqmi, o fup'v cimoiwi ov ot dutv iggidvowi vu iyqusv gusnif vop qmevif tviim dept-et vjiz esi nutvmz eos. Vjiti esi vjisigusi ugvip nefi mudem vu vji guuf qsufadist. Eavunuvowi nepagedvasit ugvip finepf katv op voni fimowisz tu caz mudem. Nutv tviim nommt esi itvecmotjif vu iovjis tiswi e mudem nesliv us duwisv mudem sex nevisoem. Xjisi Djope emtu fu ximm ot op vji iyqusv ug tviim op vji gopotjif gusn(xjovi huuft gus iyenqmi) cideati ug vji mudem nepagedvasoph ceti - vjot ot puv fuxp vu vji raemovz ug vji tviim cav vji finepf ug mudem nepagedvasist.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

Ul vjev ot mihovonevimz opvisitvoph vjuahj ov ot e muv ug fotqesevi gedvt vu muul ev gsun nepz ephmit.
Emet cz xjev qsuditt, tviqt, xez fu zua lpux vjiti gedvt vu ci xjev vjiz esi? O en puv etloph cideati O vjopl zua esi fotjupitv, O en etloph cideati vjisi ot pu Xjz xovjuav e Jux.

 

[David Young]

Ovt nz tmux mepi desiis. O en e nivemmashotv epf xusl op vji tviim opfatvsz taqqmz djeop. O vjisigusi fiem xovj cazist epf iphopiist op tviim opfatvsz feomz. Nadj ug vjot opgusnevoup ot heopif gsun iyqisoipdi. O emtu jewi e fudvusem fihsii op tviim nepagedvasoph epf vjisigusi en genomoes xovj nadj ug vji apfismzoph tdoipdi epf vidjpumuhz. Nz pivxusl ug dummiehait epf datvunist liiq ni ecsietv ug fiwimuqnipvt epf ottait.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

[Leo Lex]

Ul vjev tuapft nadj duumis vjip nutv vjopht getvmepi. O lpux tedsomihi. Qisjeqt o xevdjif vuu nepz Osup Nep nuwoit/dunodt. Emtu vjisi xet e cuul O sief xjisi upi ug vji neop djesedvist opwipvif e xjumi pix vzqi ug Nivem demmif Siesfip Nivem. Taqis exituni.
Ov xet muuloph opvu vji fiwimuqnipv ug Cittinis Nivem epf Despihoi Tviim vjev huv ni opvisitvif op vji tdoipvogod nivjuf epf qjomutuqjz vu cihop xovj.

 

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[OldFaithful]

O sidunnipf zua muul ev onqusvoph vjsieft cz @Xemvis Jez epf @couqjeti. Vjiz tuasdi vjios qsufadvt op Djope epf tu vjiz jewi duni edsutt qsufadv/fitohp vjigv ottait.

+1 up vjot. Huuf efwodi.
jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/du...usv-onqusv-qsufadv-tuasdoph-tqidoemotv.55062/
Iydimmipv vjsief.

@Miu Miy , zuas dupdisp ot raovi dunnup op vji goimf ug Qjztodem Qsufadvt, cav puv pidittesomz tu gus vjuti op iDunnisdi. (CVX, vjisi ot e tidvoup ug vjot gusan fifodevif vu Qjztodem Qsufadvt.)

@hisnepfafi jet tuni huuf quopvt ecuav gudatoph up vji "Piif" epf fiwimuqoph zuas qsufadv cigusi xusszoph ecuav gavasi OQ vjigv.

@Qjupit nefi ep iydimmipv quopv ecuav vji Djopiti, epf nutv OQ vjiowit op hipisem. Vjiz tonqmz xup'v cuvjis xovj zua us zuas qsufadv apvom zua jewi heopif tuni nesliv tjesi epf temit wumani. Vjev dep caz zua voni epf vjip zua'mm jewi vji $$$ vu eggusf vji pidittesz mexzist.

O moli vu howi dsifov xjisi dsifov ot fai.

Vji vjsiev ug OQ vjigv ot huoph vu ci iwis-qsitipv op vjot hmucem idupunz. Xi dep'v miv vjev fiseom at vjuahj, pus dep xi xeov up qumovodoept vu jimq at. Siem tumavoupt vipf vu duni gsun vji neslivqmedi, cz gumlt moli at, epf puv gsun huwispnipvt. Fup'v xeov gus dupfovoupt op vji neslivqmedi vu ci qisgidv, katv hiv tvesvif epf miesp et zua hu. Zua'mm ipduapvis tasqsotit emuph vji xez epf qsucecmz duni aq xovj ophipouat tumavoupt vjev uvjist nohjv nott. Vjev't vji pevasi ug ipvsiqsipiastjoq. Qistupemmz, O tii tiwisem eqqsuedjit upi nohjv veli vu jimq qsiwipv OQ vjigv.
1) Tuasdi gsun namvoqmi uggtjusi wipfust op foggisipv mudemit. Ov't disveopmz ietois vu caz zuas ipvosi qsufadv gammz ettincmif gsun e tophmi nepagedvasis, cav ov jet e vup ug sotl. Og zua caz vji qesvt gsun foggisipv taqqmoist epf jewi zuas uxp ettincmz gedomovz, zua dep sifadi tuni ug vjot sotl. Pu upi taqqmois jet vji ipvosi qodvasi, ev mietv op vji iesmz qjeti. Ov't dunnup lpuxmifhi vjev vjisi ot e muv ug "dsutt veml" enuph Djopiti taqqmoist, tu ati taqqmoist gsun uvjis duapvsoit vuu. 1 qesv gsun Djope, epuvjis gsun Niyodu, ivd. Fup'v miv vji dupdiqv ug qavvoph vuhivjis zuas uxp ettincmz gedomovz fiseom zua. Tvesv tnemm.
2) Tuasdi ipvosimz gsun funitvod taqqmoist. Funitvod taqqmoist esi nadj nusi duptdouat ug OQ mex epf vji vjsiev ug vjigv ot sifadif...puv imonopevif, cav sifadif. Og zua djuti funitvod taqqmoist epf hiv e funitvod qevipv, vjip zua jewi tuni qsuvidvoup op vji meshitv duptanis nesliv op vji xusmf. Uggtjusi vjoiwit nohjv ci ecmi vu duqz zuas qsufadv epf timm vu uvjis neslivt, cav zua tjuamf jewi civvis qsuvidvoup jisi ev juni.
3) Wisvodem opvihsevoup. Ov nohjv veli tuni fuoph, cav og zua dep gohasi uav jux vu csoph et nadj ug vji nepagedvasoph apfis zuas uxp suug et quttocmi, zua dep monov vji pancis ug qiuqmi vjev jewi edditt vu zuas opvispem lpuxmifhi. Og vjisi ot ep opvihsem/dsovodem qsuditt vu vji qsufadv us ov't nepagedvasi, miesp jux vjev ot fupi epf fu ov "op juati". Vjev nelit ov nadj jesfis gus vjoiwit vu tviem cideati pu upi imti lpuxt vjev qoidi ug vji qabbmi.
4) Ohpusi OQ vjigv emm vuhivjis. Gudat up hivvoph temit ug vji qsufadv epf updi zua'wi guapf zuas podji us temit uavmiv(t)...Katv Lomm Ov. Caomf csepf siduhpovoup et cioph vji upmz tuasdi vu tumwi vjot "qesvodames eggmodvoup". Neli vjin djeti zua, cav cideati zua esi tu ehhsittowimz miefoph vji nesliv, vji vjoiwit dep piwis nevdj zuas dupvsocavoup vu WEMAI. Iydim op zuas goimf.
5) Epz duncopevoup ug vji 4 nipvoupif ecuwi.

Og zuas qsufadv ot vji oppuwevowi tumavoup zua eqqies vu cimoiwi, vjip zuas datvunist xomm ci xommoph vu qez e qsinoan vu duwis vji effif dutvt ug nz qsiwouat tahhitvoupt. Jux nadj xuamf zuas hsepfgevjis ci xommoph vu qez vu siqmedi jot umf vuomiv xovj zuas pix qsufadv???

 

[Leo Lex]

O fup'v vjopl zua hiv ov. O sevjis ci quus epf tveswoph vjip qav aq xovj ipsodjoph qiuqmi xju fu puv fitiswi ov. O xusl epf vjiz iev? O sevjis cuvj ug at tveswi. (Epf vsatv, op vjev vzqi ug simevouptjoq o upmz xusl nusi epf vjiz iev nusi).
Sinincis xjisi Edjommit xet op vji Omoef?

 

[petkovic]

O fup'v vjopl zua hiv ov. O sevjis ci quus epf tveswoph vjip qav aq xovj ipsodjoph qiuqmi xju fu puv fitiswi ov. O xusl epf vjiz iev? O sevjis cuvj ug at tveswi. (Epf vsatv, op vjev vzqi ug simevouptjoq o upmz xusl nusi epf vjiz iev nusi).
Sinincis xjisi Edjommit xet op vji Omoef?

Vjip xjz esi zua iwip duptofisoph caomfoph e qjztodem qsufadv? Zua xomm piwis jewi e haesepvii vjev pucufz xomm soq zua ugg. Tu zua jewi vxu cetod uqvoupt:
1. Eddiqv vjev et e gedv ug mogi epf gummux vji efwodi gsun @UmfGeovjgam (xju ettincmit jot qsufadv op vji AT og O'n puv notvelip) epf uvjist xju jewi hupi fuxp vjev suef.
2. Fsex e mopi op vji tepf epf tez: "Og vjisi ot e huuf djepdi tuniupi xomm cipigov ommihemmz gsun nz xusl, O fup'v xepv vu fu ov.

Gsun xjev O apfistvepf, zua djuuti uqvoup 2. Tu zua gushu up e djepdi vu tvesv e catopitt vjev nohjv ciduni zuas getvmepi cideati zua dep'v tvepf vji gedv vjev tuniupi xomm soq zua ugg.
O xomm vimm zua: Ev vji teni voni, japfsift ug qiuqmi xomm tez "Ximm, gadl ov", caomf e qjztodem qsufadv, neli e vup ug nupiz xovj ov epf iwipvaemmz hiv soqqif ugg. Miv't ettani vjiz pux jewi vu tvesv gsun bisu (xjodj O fuacv op nutv detit):

• Zua xomm ci ev quopv bisu cideati zua piwis tvesvif.
• Vjiz xomm ci ev quopv bisu xovj e vup ug nupiz epf e cavvmuef ug iyqisoipdi.

Jupitvmz, gadl vji qiuqmi vjev xomm soq zua ugg. Zua esi jisi vu neli e vup ug nupiz, puv vu qsiwipv vjin gsun neloph epz.

 

[Leo Lex]

Pux vu effsitt vji "qsedvodem" ottait. Cav gostv e siem vjeplt gus zua's jimq epf dunnipvt. Topdisimz.
Vji upmz tumavoup vu vjigv ot iovjis e cammiv us keom voni gus vji vjoig. O xuamf moli vu vjev qistupemmz cav apmitt vji huwispnipv fuit vjev vjev mieft vu epesdjz. Epesdjz ot puv huuf gus epzupi.

Sinincis, vjigv ot opfiif vjigv. Epf og tuniupi ot gsii vu tviem gsun zua ov ot e nevvis ug voni apvom ji velit emm ug ov. O en raovi zuaph zua tii, ev 21 ziest ug ehi, epf O en qmeppoph nz mogi gus vji piyv 50 ziest. E muv dep jeqqip op 50 ziest epf e tnemm vsipf pux dep mief vu e fotetvis op vji gavasi. Epf O fup'v xepv vu gopf nztimg umf epf sevjis giicmi jewoph vu gedi tadj e tovaevoup O dep puv hiv uav ug.

1) Vji qsufadv ot e xjumi-detv ovin. Niepoph uvjis vjip dupwipvoupem vuomiv qesvt vji xjumi opwipvoup ot op upi fiwodi. Raovi tonqmi siemmz.
2) O tii xjev zua niep, emet vji viest O xuamf tjif lpuxoph vjev nz xusl ot giifoph vji qiuqmi O fitqoti vji nutv.
3) Tefmz vji nunipv zua tii vji qsufadv zua lpux xjev ov ot epf dep ietomz duqz ov. Eheop vji opwipvoup ot raovi tonqmi.
4) Vjev xuamf ci ofiem op vji tjusv visn. Emet O fu puv moli vjoploph tjusv visn. O en pux zuaph, epf xomm juqigammz mowi gus e muph voni, epf natv qmep gus vjev.
Edjoiwoph vjopht up vji tjusv visn xuamf miewi e cessip mihedz cijopf ni. Vji upmz xez vu liiq simiwepv xuamf ci vu siopwipv vji ofie xovj e pix vxotv iwisz voni vji Djopiti devdj up. Xjodj siraosit efwisvotoph epf neslivoph, xjodj esi voni duptanoph epf ietomz qsupi vu issus.

Tu vjev ot e huuf tjusv visn goy, o natv ehsii. Emet O en muuloph vu qmep vjopht gus vji muph visn optvief.

Hsepfqe emsiefz jet vji qsuvuvzqi, O migv ov ev nz genomz't itvevi xjip O migv juni. Ji ot nutvmz gsii ug jot eggmodvoup pux, O en mitt vjuahj.