Can you get this number down? That seems like far too much!...It costs me over a $1000.00 a month to have a set of servers online 24/7.
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Free registration at the forum removes this block.Can you get this number down? That seems like far too much!...It costs me over a $1000.00 a month to have a set of servers online 24/7.
Yes you are one ofI went to your site and signed up with my adblocker on.
You can't, you block them, you don't know. Something revolutionary that could change your life forever might be the ad queued for your page and you blocked it.Also, I don't ever buy anything online through ads.
really, you can setup redundant load balanced servers with a database backend, development server, email server, backup to support a million visitors a month with extremely reliable internet providers for less than that? Besides, if I have to write a check for $10.00 it is still a cost I have and people aren't willing to pay the simple price of having ads display on the page at the same time they are viewing and using my content.Can you get this number down? That seems like far too much!
You can't, you block them, you don't know.
You take without paying the price of admission, having my ads appear. Isn't that criminal? It is no different than sneaking into a movie and not paying.
EDIT: Another example. Ads are now having to be crammed down your throat in order to have the same effect as years ago (just look at Youtube).Otherwise, every DVR user who fast-forwards through the commercials to consume their free content is also a "criminal".
Do you have a custom plan because the largest I can see that Linode offer is 1920GB storage with 20TB bandwidth? Seems quite excessive. I opened a live chat with Rackspace to see what their prices are like but they just pointed me here - http://www.rackspace.com/calculator/really, you can setup redundant load balanced servers with a database backend, development server, email server, backup to support a million visitors a month with extremely reliable internet providers for less than that? Besides, if I have to write a check for $10.00 it is still a cost I have and people aren't willing to pay the simple price of having ads display on the page at the same time they are viewing and using my content.
LOL, great way to poison the well when asking a question.So if you use an ad blocker, tell me why it is ok for you to steal.
Radio stations get their revenue not from the number of ads listened to, but by their market share, same with newspapers (but for them it is distribution), and additionally with newspapers, I am consuming the content as they PRESENT it, I don't have a little homeless guy sitting there with scissors cutting out all the ads.Do you feel guilty for changing the radio station when commercials are on? Have you ever read a free newspaper and not looked at every page - skipping over the full page ads and only reading the free content?
Movie theaters make their money from selling tickets. Then they said aha! I have a bunch of people here sitting bored, lets show some ads and make some EXTRA money.Another analogy might be movie theaters. It would be well within their right to deny entry to patrons who are not seated by the time the commercials begin playing. But they can't complain that people show up late and don't consume the ads if they don't require them to - it's not reasonable.
No you don't. I have over half a dozen servers doing the work that needs to be done to keep my sites running. And to the point of this thread it doesn't matter if it is $1 or $1,000,000.but obviously I don't know the details.
but people with ad blockers are skewing the numbers, right? isn't the attitude of I don't want to be bothered by ads, but I want all this information so I am going to take the information and not allow the publisher to make any money, selfish?Until this thread, I just assumed that publishers worked a numbers game and shoot for many visitors to provide some acceptable level of income.
The attitude of the OP struck me as selfish (maybe too strong).
If I hop in your car drive around town without your permission, do a bunch of errands and come back and park the car in the same spot, is that theft? You would say sure, you used my tires and gas, you may have created a maintenance issues. Well, you used my bandwidth, my research team, my coders, may have created a maintenance issue and you have purposefully done things to keep me from getting compensated.Can't say I agree with the term theft. Someone steals your code, your images, or works around a paywall, that's theft. If you put up ads and they don't work, maybe the market doesn't want them. Doesn't mean they're ingrates, just that they want a different experience.
I am not bitter, have you ever been on a debate team? I am taking a stand, I am looking for someone to convince me on their point of view. If someone took your book and put it up for free somewhere, would you be bitter about that? Your content is in a different form than mine, but it is still my content, you chose to have someone pay up front, I offer to give it to you in exchange for ads on my site.You do seem really bitter.
It is going to be REALLY difficult for you to get anywhere if you are carrying this with you.
Nope, I get paid just showing you ads, it is a CPM model, I get paid for a high percentage of the ads I show whether you click or not.
Radio stations get their revenue not from the number of ads listened to, but by their market share, same with newspapers (but for them it is distribution), and additionally with newspapers, I am consuming the content as they PRESENT it,
Movie theaters make their money from selling tickets. Then they said aha! I have a bunch of people here sitting bored, lets show some ads and make some EXTRA money.
Isn't this part of the commandment of control?
If you don't have enough control of your business model then change the model or the business.
But don't you get paid through the exact same method? You've offered to your advertisers eyeballs only. Just like newspapers and radio (ears).
What I'm guessing he means is that he gets paid on a CPM basis, so it is literally tracked down to the visitor how many impressions his ads are getting, while a radio station/newspaper gets paid based on their overall audience size, and the advertiser doesn't know how many people listened to or viewed the ad. So he is right that it actually costs him money.
@Runum I respect a lot of your opinions, but not this one. Should a retailer close their business or change their model because of shoplifters? No, they try and police the shoplifters, how is what I am asking about here any different than that? (this is not a rhetorical question)Isn't this part of the commandment of control?
If you don't have enough control of your business model then change the model or the business.
Wow, at this point I would think everybody thought most of my posts were strange. Look, I am trying to stir the pot, get some ideas flowing. A week ago everybody went crazy that somebody copied selling soap on Amazon, and that person was ultimately banned, but cheating someone of ad revenue is ok, no big deal, that person should adjust their revenue strategy. Isn't that even a little bit interesting?This is a really strange post for someone who's been on the forum for so long.
I am offering exactly what they want, or I wouldn't get the number of visitors I have. What I have is people that knowingly change my content for their own benefit at my expense. Right now, I am not happy with the thought of that.You're offering your customers something they don't want(ads), and some of them are responding to you offering it to them by blocking them.
You just have to calculate what you'll make with ads knowing that x% of your audience will block ads, and decide if you should be focusing your monetization efforts elsewhere.
Yes, I would also add that it doesn't cost the TV/radio station one cent more if you turn the channel during an ad, I have bandwidth costs, database costs, possible maintenance issues.so it is literally tracked down to the visitor how many impressions his ads are getting, while a radio station/newspaper gets paid based on their overall audience size, and the advertiser doesn't know how many people listened to or viewed the ad.
I am offering exactly what they want, or I wouldn't get the number of visitors I have. What I have is people that knowingly change my content for their own benefit at my expense. Right now, I am not happy with the thought of that.
@Runum I respect a lot of your opinions, but not this one. Should a retailer close their business or change their model because of shoplifters? No, they try and police the shoplifters, how is what I am asking about here any different than that? (this is not a rhetorical question)
Already have the code in my arsenal, wanting to hear the opinions to understand why I shouldn't implement.
I wouldn't agree with you there. I used to do that in my high school days, and realized I was taking a salesmans time, and they being on straight commission.Is it stealing to take a test drive with no intention of buying?
I do think so.
You are missing my point. I am not chasing money, I am extremely blessed by the revenue of my site. I am in business, and as a business person I want to do everything well. So I make something great (IMO) and lots of people come and see it, then some purposefully deny me my income for that effort but consume it anyway. How is that fair? How is your position as an ad blocker any different the position of the Occupy Wall Street group? (i.e. pay off my student loans, take from the rich so I can have free)Anyway this sounds like chasing money and getting pissed because some of it slipped away.
Every minute spent here name calling is a minute wasted not creating a better net.
Big difference, when you come to my site you are using up my resources. Once you pick up the paper you are using your resources, on my site you are using mine.No difference.
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