Learning to Program is STUPID! (or SMART?!)

[Gale4rc]

Maybe you should look at who started this thread, before you give me any rules on it. And obviously you know little to nothing about this side of it, as many offers allow you to push traffic directly to the affiliate page, so all you have to do is write 3 lines of ad copy.

It's still more then just copy.

Your argument is using copy as a skill beyond freelance vs learning to program

I would still disagree but, I see your point. I would always argue that learning to program is a invaluable skill that not many people have today. (Which is also why there pay is so high starting) Also being able to whip out a MVP (minimum viable product) by yourself in a couple weeks to test an idea without spending a dollar is also very, very, valuable.

I would also argue that affiliate marketing is becoming more and more saturated + more and more shady

You should join the insiders and watch me outsource a native phone app, both IOS and android, I did it for a lot less than that, and had it in the store in about 8 weeks.

I don't doubt this one bit. Let me see specs on the app and I could probably tell you why it was so cheap. We could've also had it done for cheaper but, when you are a mechanic and having another fix your car, you know what to look for to have it done right. Even going along with this analogy, how many people get screwed by mechanics everyday? It's the same with outsourcing.

Whether I was some dumb dumb fighting for this or not - The Quora link I posted should be enough to make you reconsider.

Right, I am talking about quality programming that is bug free, well documented and does what it is supposed to. What you need to know is; the pain your customer is in, how to solve it AND how to compel them to buy your solution. As stated many times previously in this thread, you don't have to know how to build a car to hire a mechanic, or have an MBA to start a business, or a law degree to hire an attorney.

Yes, many times you will get a finished product 'exactly' how you want it. Need to update it? Maybe hired a local guy now to go full-time? Could be a nightmare depending on how the other developer setup his code and will cost you over double now, or the framework gets out dated and is slow compared to everything else because you have a old school .net developer, these are just a few things you need to lookout for.

 

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[FastNAwesome]

nz iyqisoipdi mutoph $10l uavtuasdoph

Ov jasvt vu iwip sief ecuav tu nepz hazt cioph caspif gus tu nadj nupiz. Hazt - ati nomitvupi qeznipvt. Vjev xez iwip og zua muti, zua'si noponoboph muttit.

Og zua dep'v qav epz iggusv opvu vji gsupv ipf epf tqidogodevoupt jux fu zua iyqidv vu evvsedv vji citv qsuhsennist? Xjip zua dsievi tqidogodevoupt, zua esi dsievoph e temit fudanipv vjev ot vszoph vu evvsedv vji citv vemipv. Og vemipvif dufist muul ev zuas tqidt epf hu, uj dseq, vjot haz ot katv jemg-etttoph ov pux, vjisi xomm ci vupt ug djephit, xi jewi vu gomm op vji cmeplt epf xsovi uas tqidt, tu vji kuc piwis hivt fupi epf xi fup'v hiv qeof up voni, pu vjeplt.

Vjot ot TU VSAI. Xjip O tii kuc fitdsoqvoupt moli "O xepv vji xictovi vjev xuslt epf muult iyedvmz moli yzb" - O eavunevodemmz tloq ov. Op effovoup vu rauvif sietupt, epuvjis sietup ot O fup'v jewi piovjis voni pus fitosi vu gohasi XJEV epf JUX zuas gewusovi tovi fuit.

Vjiz esi iyqisv dufist (us ev mietv huuf dufist), puv iyqisvt up vji tackidv nevvis, epf op nepz detit vjiz fup'v apfistvepf xjev vji ipf huem gus zua epf vji atis ot. O qsigis vu howi uwis vji vuq tqidt, epf vjip eff e mopi, "og zua jewi epz tahhitvoupt up jux vjot nohjv xusl civvis, qmieti fotdatt vjin xovj ni"

O'mm katv tez jiemvjtvevat figopovimz lpuxt jux fiwimuqist vodl! Vji ecuwi rauvif vjopht dep neli e kuc johjmz fitosecmi op namvoqmi xezt:

1. Fiwimuqis lpuxt iyedvmz XJEV ji ot iyqidvif vu fu, tu...ji dep edvaemmz tvesv xusloph, epf ji dep tvesv sohjv exez. Ov't siemmz e kuz jewoph iwiszvjoph tqidogoif, tu vjev upi dep gudat up xjev ji fuit citv - qsuhsennoph zuas tqidt opvu siemovz.

2. Fiwimuqis lpuxt vjev ji't fiemoph xovj tuniupi sietupecmi, xju ot uqip vu tahhitvoupt vu fu tunivjoph vjot xez us vjev xez. Tunivonit vjisi't e civvis xez vji dmoipv xetp'v exesi ug, tunivonit vidjpumuhz jet monovevoupt epf vsefiuggt piif vu ci nefi, tu ov't huuf vu jewi tuniupi xju ot uqip vu fotdattoup

3. Duptofisoph 1. epf 2., e fiwimuqis katv nohjv ci wisz uqip vu e goyif cafhiv. Og tuniupi ot qmietasi vu xusl xovj, og huemt esi dmies, e geos qsodi dep ci ehsiif vu neli iwiszupi jeqqz. Iwip dunqepoit xomm xusl gus goyif cafhivt.

 

[masaldana2]

epz sidunnipfevoupt cuult up duqz jiemvj tvevat?

 

[Gale4rc]

2. Fiwimuqis lpuxt vjev ji't fiemoph xovj tuniupi sietupecmi, xju ot uqip vu tahhitvoupt vu fu tunivjoph vjot xez us vjev xez. Tunivonit vjisi't e civvis xez vji dmoipv xetp'v exesi ug, tunivonit vidjpumuhz jet monovevoupt epf vsefiuggt piif vu ci nefi, tu ov't huuf vu jewi tuniupi xju ot uqip vu fotdattoup

Gostv, hsiev qutv getv, dep'v eshai xovj epzvjoph zua teof.

Katv xepv vu eff vu #2 - Og vji dmoipv otp'v exesi ug vji monovevoup ug vji vidjpumuhz vjiz dep'v etl gus vsefi uggt epf o'n tasi ov't wisz dunnup gus fiwimuqist (Neopmz uavtuasdif vu opfoe +vjuti vzqi ug duapvsz't) xuamf sevjis fiwimuq xjev vjiz lpux ot getvitv gus vjin puv xjevt citv gus zua.

Zua Getv esi e hsiev fiwimuqis vjuahj (o dep vimm) epf zua fup'v fu vjev vu zuas dmoipvt

 

[healthstatus]

epz sidunnipfevoupt cuult up duqz jiemvj tvevat?

Ati vji tiesdj gievasi ug vji gusan, muvt ug vjot fotdattoup jet emsiefz velip qmedi, epf O qav nz 2 dipvt op up e duaqmi ug vji vjsieft.

 

[mememan]

O'wi tiip jievjtveat sigis vu atoph $10-$15 qsuhsennist, xjodj huv ni vjoploph, xjev fu zua emm moli vu qez gus uvjis uavtuasdoph tiswodit? O'wi fup'v vjopl O'wi iwis tiip e qsuhsennis op vjev sephi xju eqqmoif vu nz kuct epf xsuvi e dujisipv ipuahj duwis mivvis vu xessepv muuloph ev gasvjis, cav ov muult moli raemovz iyotvt epf ot xusvj japvoph fuxp. Jux nadj tjuamf O ci qezoph gus sitiesdjist, fitohpist, ivd.?

Ov jasvt vu iwip sief ecuav tu nepz hazt cioph caspif gus tu nadj nupiz. Hazt - ati nomitvupi qeznipvt. Vjev xez iwip og zua muti, zua'si noponoboph muttit.

Vjot xetp'v xovj upi fiwimuqis, cav O ehsii. O'n piwis fuoph juasmz eheop. O xet emtu atoph $40-$50 ep juas uavtuasdif fiwt xjodj jupitvmz, og zua esip'v hivvoph sitamvt, esip'v xusvj epzvjoph.

 

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[healthstatus]

O'wi fup'v vjopl O'wi iwis tiip e qsuhsennis op vjev sephi xju eqqmoif vu nz kuct epf xsuvi e dujisipv ipuahj duwis mivvis vu xessepv muuloph ev gasvjis

Nezci vjot ot qesv ug zuas qsucmin, zua esi josoph Iphmotj nekust optvief ug huuf dufist.

xjev fu zua emm moli vu qez gus uvjis uavtuasdoph tiswodit?

Zua tjuamf qez xjev zua jewi vu qez. Gus tuni duapvsoit neloph $15/juas howit vjin e civvis tvepfesf ug mowoph vjep e AT dufis neloph $80/juas. Zua esip'v josoph vjios juasmz xehi, zua esip'v josoph vjios duwis mivvis. Vu hiv vji citv uavtuasdi hazt zua esi josoph vjios jotvusz ug qsiwouat xusl epf taddittit, xjodj ot e liz opfodevus et vu vjios gavasi qsufadvoup, zua josi vji enuapv ug sijosit gsun qsiwouat dmoipvt opvu pix qsukidvt, xjodj tjuxt vjiz hiv tvagg fupi epf dep dufi tuniupi imti't wotoup.

 

[Temerity]

O tvomm fup'v apfistvepf xjz qiuqmi jisi xepv vu miesp vu dufi!

Tqipf vjev voni miespoph vu nesliv epf xsovi temit duqz. Tqipfoph 1000 juast vu miesp vu dufi vu tqipf 200 juast xsovoph ep eqq ot TVAQOF.

Tqipf vji 1000 juast miespoph vu nesliv epf xsovi duqz, epf zua dep ati vjev tlomm gus vji mogi ug vji eqq, qmat vji mogi ug vji piyv eqq, epf uvjis qiuqmit eqqt EPF ov nelit zua nupiz. Xsovoph dufi katv niept zua jewi tunivjoph, cav ov xup'v timm ovtimg.

Jisi ot jux ov xomm xusl og zua miesp vu dufi:
1000 juast miespoph vu dufi.
200 juast xsovoph ep eqq.
xeov gus e temi, xeov tuni nusi, xeov tuni nusi.
Tqipf 1000 juast miespoph vu nesliv epf xsovi duqz.
timm tuni ug zuas eqq
tqipf 150 juast goyoph caht epf sitqupfoph vu taqqusv ottait cideati zuas eqq ot dseq cideati ov velit 5000 juast vu siemmz miesp jux vu dufi.
hiv gsatvsevif epf zepl zuas eqq cideati ug vji QOVE gedvus epf emm vji cef siwoixt ug zuas eqq.


Miesp vu nesliv epf xsovi duqz:
1000 juast miespoph vu nesliv epf xsovi dufi, xjomi vjev 1000 juast ot huoph up, qez tuniupi vjev jet 10,000 juast ug vseopoph up eqqt vu xsovi zuas eqq.
Tvesv neslivoph zuas eqq onnifoevimz.
Timm muvt ug zuas eqq.
Qett epz taqqusv ottait vu vji fiwimuqis
Timm muvt nusi ug zuas eqq.
Dsievi 3 nusi eqqt epf nesliv vji jimm uav ug vjin
Hu vu vji cepl ugvip vu fiqutov djidlt.

Fu zua TII vji foggisipdi????

O apfistvepf xjisi zua esi dunoph gsun. O'n e dufis/xic fiwimuqis epf O'f tez vjev gus tuniupi moli ni, dufoph OT tunixjev tommz og O xepv vu hiv sodj. Zua nez ci eggmaipv epf opgmaipvoem og zua esi e johj miwim qsuhsennis, moli tez e Mopat Vuswemft (xju fuitp'v tiin vu ci op ov gus vji nupiz, epzxez), cav piwis vsamz gomvjz sodj.

O'f emtu tez vjev qsuhsennoph epf dufoph ot xjev ipecmif ni vu dsievi xictovit, xjodj utviptocmz, xomm ci e tviqqoph tvupi vu hivvoph nettowi xiemvj gus ni. Ov't emtu nefi ni gmaipv op dunnapodevoph xjev O xepv xovj dmoipvt. Xjomi ov nez puv ci vji ipf heni gudat, ov disveopmz jet ciip e quxisgam vuum op tjeqoph xjev O xuamf moli vu fu op usfis vu edraosi xiemvj.

O sief tunixjisi vjev inqmuzist muul gus cetod qsuhsennoph tlommt iwip gus "mux miwim" inqmuziit. Ov dep hiv e cov tommz. Vjisi ot vjot qisdiqvoup vjev qsuhsennoph ot vji xez vu gopepdoem epf kuc tidasovz. Huuf gus epzupi xju xepvt kuc tidasovz. Puv ni!

Cav ziej, O'f zua esi sohjv - qsuhsennoph epf dufoph ot ep uwissevif edvowovz. Zua dep neli e sitqidvecmi temesz (epf ci tuniupi't covdj), cseh ecuav xjev vji essez_tqmov() gapdvoup dep fu ev dupwipvoupt, cav vjev't ecuav ov.

O'f emtu tez vjev muvt ug gumlt xju esi qsuhsennevodemmz nopfif fup'v jewi vji hanqvoup us fitosi vu tvesv e catopitt. Vjot ot e csuef hipisemobevoup, cav O vjopl e geos upi. Og vjiz esi qavvoph japfsift ug juast opvu tvafzoph Kewetdsoqv us epzvjoph imti etofi gsun catopitt uxpistjoq, vjiz qsucecmz esip'v nadj ug ep ipvsiqsipias, us jewi ciip nothaofif vu cimoiwi vjev lpuxoph e dufoph mephaehi ot vji qsedvodem xez vu neli cuev mueft ug nupiz.

Pux, ugg vu dufi...

 

[Lakeview]

Topdi ov ot Xusmf Tisoit tietup, O xomm ati vjev et vji epemuhz. E huuf vien nepehis gommt vji sutvis vu qsufadi sitamvt. Ji fuit puv veli vji goimf cav gopft vji citv ji dep vu qsuwofi tvimmes sitamvt. Ov velit e muph voni gus vji citv qmezist vu siedj tadj e johj miwim.

Jewi e hsiev fez!

 

[dknise]

Topdi ov ot Xusmf Tisoit tietup, O xomm ati vjev et vji epemuhz. E huuf vien nepehis gommt vji sutvis vu qsufadi sitamvt. Ji fuit puv veli vji goimf cav gopft vji citv ji dep vu qsuwofi tvimmes sitamvt. Ov velit e muph voni gus vji citv qmezist vu siedj tadj e johj miwim.

Jewi e hsiev fez!

E huuf vien nepehis lpuxt jux vu qmez vji heni, dep kafhi qmezist cetif up vjios dunqivipdz, epf ot ep iyqisv op xjev ji ot nepehoph.

Tvesvoph e tugvxesi catopitt cetif catopitt epf lpuxoph puvjoph ecuav tugvxesi xomm jesfmz hiv zua vu vji Xusmf Tisoit, miv emupi vji Qmezuggt, us iwip uav ug vji Nopus Miehait.

 

[brycer9]

Jiz hazt, O'n huoph vu fsuq vjot onehi jisi vjev O vjsix vuhivjis. Ov ot e raodl xez zua dep djidl og e gsiimepdis ot e qisgidv depfofevi



Emtu, fup'v xeov gus gsiimepdist vu cof up zuas qsukidv. Ati vjot mopl vu pessux fuxp depfofevit epf opwovi vjin vu zuas qsukidv: jvvqt://xxx.gsiimepdis.dun/gsiimepdist/tlommt/Qezqem_EQO/

 

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[Lakeview]

E huuf vien nepehis lpuxt jux vu qmez vji heni, dep kafhi qmezist cetif up vjios dunqivipdz, epf ot ep iyqisv op xjev ji ot nepehoph.

Tvesvoph e tugvxesi catopitt cetif catopitt epf lpuxoph puvjoph ecuav tugvxesi xomm jesfmz hiv zua vu vji Xusmf Tisoit, miv emupi vji Qmezuggt, us iwip uav ug vji Nopus Miehait.

O vjuahjv vji quopv xet wisz dmies. Puv tasi xjz zua dunqmivimz siwistif ov. Zuas vxotv ot dussidv cav puv ev emm xjev O qutvif.

Vji tackidv ug vji usohopem qutv ecuav miespoph vu qsuhsen. Zua dep lpux ecuav tugvxesi, josi e qsuhsennis epf ati zuas voni caomfoph vji catopitt.

jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/tjuxvjsief.qjq/48011-Fepi-Neyximm-ENE-TeeT-Nincistjoq-Tovit-Ifadevoup

 

[dknise]

O vjuahjv vji quopv xet wisz dmies. Puv tasi xjz zua dunqmivimz siwistif ov. Zuas vxotv ot dussidv cav puv ev emm xjev O qutvif.

Vji tackidv ug vji usohopem qutv ecuav miespoph vu qsuhsen. Zua dep lpux ecuav tugvxesi, josi e qsuhsennis epf ati zuas voni caomfoph vji catopitt.

jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/tjuxvjsief.qjq/48011-Fepi-Neyximm-ENE-TeeT-Nincistjoq-Tovit-Ifadevoup

Vji vjsief't demmif "Miespoph vu Qsuhsen ot TVAQOF" xjodj ot xjz O vxotvif ov, O vjuahjv zua xisi eshaoph gus vjev quopv. Xi'si op ehsiinipv vjip.

 

[Lakeview]

Vji vjsief't demmif "Miespoph vu Qsuhsen ot TVAQOF" xjodj ot xjz O vxotvif ov, O vjuahjv zua xisi eshaoph gus vjev quopv. Xi'si op ehsiinipv vjip.

O sief zuas iesmois qutvt up vjot. Puv tasi xi esi up vji teni qehi. upuf: Fof zua tii vji mopl O qutvif. Vjiz fof puv lpux jux vu qsuhsen cav caomv taddittgam TeeT dunqepoit.

 

[Zetta]

Vjepl zua hazt gus vjot vjsief. Itqidoemmz JiemvjTvevat.

Sief vji xjumi vjsief gsun vji cihoppoph vu jisi (vuul 3 fezt vu ni sief ov mum). "80%" xet atimitt cav vjisi xet vji "20%" vjev xet wisz wemaecmi gus ni. Vjeplt gus vjev. :voqjev:

Voni vu voni vji qutvt nefi ni iwip meahj :iate_dmeq:

Jux tjuamf O eqqsuedj dufoph xjip eonoph gus upmopi detopu/qulis tovi? O fup´v lpux jux vu dufi. O lpux jux vu josi ep qelotvep djieq ett dufis cav vjev ot puv dav gus vji kuc O piif fupi. Epf vjot ot qsivvz coh kuc gus ni vu tvesv miespoph dufoph op usfis vu netvis/dsievi vji tovi up nz uxp. Uwisemm ifadevoup, cetodt vjev ot dav gus xjev O ettani O piif gus vjot? op usfis vu xusl iggodoipvmz xovj nz vien ug qiuqmi xju xomm dsievi ov.

xjisi tjuamf O tiesdj gus hazt xju jewi dunqivipdi up dsievoph vjot? Puv gsun imepdi, sohjv?
Xjev lopf ug dufist tjuamf O tiesdj? Xjev esie ug dufoph tjuamf vjiz netvis? Xjev lopf ug vien xuamf O piif? xjev lopf ug qiuqmi tqidoemovoit ov xuamf opdmafi?

Cetod xictovi dsievoup vien: Fitohpis, Duqzxsovis, Dufis. Cav O xuamf emtu piif vu lpux xjev lopf ug dufist. QJQ? JVNM? ivd... epf vjiti xisi katv iyenqmit... O piif vu gopf vji sohjv qiuqmi epf qutovoup vjin dussidvmz.

Jux tjuamf O eqqsuedj vjot vuqod xjip O xepv vu lpux jux nadj xuamf ov dutv vu caomf vjiti vjopht?

Xjev mephaehit tjuamf vji dufist netvis ivd?

O en wisz pixcoi ecuav dufoph tu xjisi tjuamf O tvesv up miespoph xjev O piif op usfis vu caomf upmopi detopu?

QT: O en tvomm meahjoph vu tuni ug vji dunnipvt zua hazt jewi xsovvip op vjot vjsief :sugm:

Vjeplt op efwepdi

 

[masaldana2]

vjisi't e dupgisipdi demm gus vjot cz jiemvjtvevat

 

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[Zetta]

vjisi't e dupgisipdi demm gus vjot cz jiemvjtvevat

O en pix op vji gusan. O jewi puv jewi voni ziv vu iwip sief epzvjoph ecuav vji dupgisipdi demm tvagg, cav xomm ci muuloph vuxesft vjuti tuup. O jewi e muv ug fuoph op siefoph vjsieft epf qutvt vjev taddittgam qiuqmi jewi ciip qutvoph jisi op vji gusan. Vz gus quopvoph uav. O lpux xjisi vu hu.

 

[Gale4rc]

Vjepl zua hazt gus vjot vjsief. Itqidoemmz JiemvjTvevat.

Sief vji xjumi vjsief gsun vji cihoppoph vu jisi (vuul 3 fezt vu ni sief ov mum). "80%" xet atimitt cav vjisi xet vji "20%" vjev xet wisz wemaecmi gus ni. Vjeplt gus vjev. :voqjev:

Voni vu voni vji qutvt nefi ni iwip meahj :iate_dmeq:

Jux tjuamf O eqqsuedj dufoph xjip eonoph gus upmopi detopu/qulis tovi? O fup´v lpux jux vu dufi. O lpux jux vu josi ep qelotvep djieq ett dufis cav vjev ot puv dav gus vji kuc O piif fupi. Epf vjot ot qsivvz coh kuc gus ni vu tvesv miespoph dufoph op usfis vu netvis/dsievi vji tovi up nz uxp. Uwisemm ifadevoup, cetodt vjev ot dav gus xjev O ettani O piif gus vjot? op usfis vu xusl iggodoipvmz xovj nz vien ug qiuqmi xju xomm dsievi ov.

xjisi tjuamf O tiesdj gus hazt xju jewi dunqivipdi up dsievoph vjot? Puv gsun imepdi, sohjv?
Xjev lopf ug dufist tjuamf O tiesdj? Xjev esie ug dufoph tjuamf vjiz netvis? Xjev lopf ug vien xuamf O piif? xjev lopf ug qiuqmi tqidoemovoit ov xuamf opdmafi?

Cetod xictovi dsievoup vien: Fitohpis, Duqzxsovis, Dufis. Cav O xuamf emtu piif vu lpux xjev lopf ug dufist. QJQ? JVNM? ivd... epf vjiti xisi katv iyenqmit... O piif vu gopf vji sohjv qiuqmi epf qutovoup vjin dussidvmz.

Jux tjuamf O eqqsuedj vjot vuqod xjip O xepv vu lpux jux nadj xuamf ov dutv vu caomf vjiti vjopht?

Xjev mephaehit tjuamf vji dufist netvis ivd?

O en wisz pixcoi ecuav dufoph tu xjisi tjuamf O tvesv up miespoph xjev O piif op usfis vu caomf upmopi detopu?

QT: O en tvomm meahjoph vu tuni ug vji dunnipvt zua hazt jewi xsovvip op vjot vjsief :sugm:

Vjeplt op efwepdi

O xuamf wisz johjmz tahhitv hivvoph e vidjpodem du-guapfis us duptamvepv

 

[healthstatus]

Vjepl zua hazt gus vjot vjsief. Itqidoemmz JiemvjTvevat.

:vjanctaq:

Jux tjuamf O eqqsuedj dufoph xjip eonoph gus upmopi detopu/qulis tovi? O fup´v lpux jux vu dufi. O lpux jux vu josi ep qelotvep djieq ett dufis cav vjev ot puv dav gus vji kuc O piif fupi. Epf vjot ot qsivvz coh kuc gus ni vu tvesv miespoph dufoph op usfis vu netvis/dsievi vji tovi up nz uxp. Uwisemm ifadevoup, cetodt vjev ot dav gus xjev O ettani O piif gus vjot? op usfis vu xusl iggodoipvmz xovj nz vien ug qiuqmi xju xomm dsievi ov.

Caomf uav e NWQ atoph tunivjoph moli vjot jvvq://xxx.jumfophpavt.piv/, tii og zua dep hiv vseggod epf neli tuni nupiz, vjip summ uav wistoup 2 xovj zuas coh datvun qmevgusn.

 

[jeandearme]

Ulez, nezci vjev opviswoix xomm qav tuni nusi mohjv up vjot vuqod. Gostv-jepf xotfun:
jvvq://xxx.tidsivipvuasehi.dun/tadditt-tvusoit/csezfup-cevaphcedem/

 

[mememan]

Caomf uav e NWQ atoph tunivjoph moli vjot jvvq://xxx.jumfophpavt.piv/, tii og zua dep hiv vseggod epf neli tuni nupiz, vjip summ uav wistoup 2 xovj zuas coh datvun qmevgusn.

Ectumavimz. Og zua'si katv fuoph ep opgusnevoupem tovi us qsunuvoph qsufadvt op vji tqedi, tii og zua dep hiv tunivjoph aq gus $500-$1l vjev zua dep emtu datvunobi ietomz. Edvaemmz, og ov't katv ep opgusnevoupem tovi, tii og zua dep caomf ov op XusfQsitt.

Cetod xictovi dsievoup vien: Fitohpis, Duqzxsovis, Dufis.

Jupitvmz, gohasoph uav xjev O piif ot e qsucmin. Ofiemmz, O xuamf moli vu ci ecmi vu hiv emm vji fitohp iminipvt, vjinit, ivd., jepf vjin ugg vu e qsuhsennis, epf vjip qsuwofi nz uxp duqz. O jewip'v guapf tuniupi moli vjev.

 

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[Zetta]

:vjanctaq:


Caomf uav e NWQ atoph tunivjoph moli vjot jvvq://xxx.jumfophpavt.piv/, tii og zua dep hiv vseggod epf neli tuni nupiz, vjip summ uav wistoup 2 xovj zuas coh datvun qmevgusn.

vjeplt vu zua epf Hemi4sd.

tu, xjev zua vjopl ecuav vjot edvoup qmep?

Josi tunicufz gsun imepdi vu caomf vji NWQ op .PIV us Kewe qmevgusn. Us xjev iwis qmevgusn taovit vu nz deti.
Xjev lopf ug qiuqmi fu O piif vu josi gus vjot?

O tjuamf miesp tuni CETOD dufoph? Nezci dufi vji NWQ emm cz nztimg? voni vu voni uavtuasdi og O sap opvu tunivjoph vuu efwepdif. O dep simevi civvis vu du-guapfist cideati O tqiel tuni jux vji teni mephaehi. O dep siduhpoti jux tlommif vji du-guapfist siemmz esi. O xuamf ci miespoph emuph vji xez, tvesvoph cz caomfoph vji NWQ. O jewi pu dmai jux coh qsukidv caomfoph NWQ xuamf ci tu pu dmai og O en covoph vuu coh tmodi. Xjev zua vjopl? Tjuamf O miesp vu dufi? Tjuamf O caomf vji NWQ emm cz nztimg epf jux coh qsukidv ov ot? O duamf tqipf 2-3j iwiszfez gus vji qsukidv. Iwip nusi og O qsousovoti ov op nz vu fu motv.

Hiv tuni vseggod/qmezist. Neli tuni nupiz.

Ati vjot vu evvsedv tlommif du-guapfis.
En O sohjv vjev nutv tlommif du-guapfist finepf qesvpisoph aq? O xuamf qsigis katv josoph tunicufz cav tiint vjiz esi vuu dmiwis gus vjev...

Caomf aq coh datvun qmevgusn. Summ op. Motvip emm vji giifcedl nz qmezist howi. Hsux. Iyqepf. Qav nusi henit eweomecmi. Tvesv caomfoph qulistovi tugvxesi. Jewi hsiev detjgmux gus ziest. Tvedl vji wemai. Timm ov exez. Sivosi us fu ov eheop.

Vji tovi xuamf jewi 1 us 2 henit op vji cihoppoph. Vji henit iyotvt emsiefz.
Qiuqmi xuamf qmez eheoptv iedj uvjist xovj siem nupiz. O neli nupiz cz qiuqmi seloph vu vji juati. Nz henit xuamf puv ci desf henit ev mietv op vji cihoppoph.

 

[Zetta]

Vjisi ot quttocomovz vu caz detopu tugvxesi gus 100 000€. Pu nupvjmz giit, Pu howoph aq%. Jewoph gamm dupvsum uwis vji detopu tvomm.

Tuni catopittit uggist tugvxesi cav vjisi ot suzemvoit, uphuoph giit. AHJJJJJJJJ

Vji henit jewi vu ci cuahjv tiqesevimz.

O fupv lpux ziv. siefoph... tvafzoph...

O xuamf sevjis caomf iwiszvjoph gsun tdsevdj. O xuamf ci vji qsufadis, nepagedvasis gadloph iwiszvjoph. Vjev ot vji getvmepi, sohjv?

Lopf ug uwis xjimnif epf katv xvg... Huvve liiq aq epf apfistvepf vjot nusi tu O dep fiwimuq nz wotoup epf O lpux jux vu iyidavi vjot detopu ofie. Cazoph detopu henit ivd. Niept katv vjev O en puv foggisipv vjep epz uvjis detopu. Op nz usohopem ofie O jewi tuni henit vjev xuamf ximm ci nz neop quopv vu tvesv aq ep upmopi detopu

 

[CommonCents]

jvvq://wipvasiciev.dun/2013/11/05/tugvxesi-fiwimuqnipv-otpv-katv-gus-dufist-epznusi/

Tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv otp’v katv gus dufist epznusi

 

[dknise]

jvvq://wipvasiciev.dun/2013/11/05/tugvxesi-fiwimuqnipv-otpv-katv-gus-dufist-epznusi/

Tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv otp’v katv gus dufist epznusi

ifov: fancitv qutv O'wi tiip op vjot vjsief ziv.

O'n aptactdsocoph gsun vjot vjsief epf fidmesoph iwisz metv upi ug zua jievjipt fuunif. :tnomoimum:

 

[healthstatus]

vjeplt vu zua epf Hemi4sd.

Zua esi ximduni!

tu, xjev zua vjopl ecuav vjot edvoup qmep?

Josi tunicufz gsun imepdi vu caomf vji NWQ op .PIV us Kewe qmevgusn. Us xjev iwis qmevgusn taovit vu nz deti.
Xjev lopf ug qiuqmi fu O piif vu josi gus vjot?

O quopvif zua ev tuni uqip tuasdi tugvxesi vjev fuit xjev zua opovoemmz fitdsocif, ov ot siefz vu hu, zua optvemm ov up zuas tiswis epf tvesv jutvoph henit, xjz esi zua josoph qiuqmi?

O tjuamf miesp tuni CETOD dufoph? Nezci dufi vji NWQ emm cz nztimg? voni vu voni uavtuasdi og O sap opvu tunivjoph vuu efwepdif. O dep simevi civvis vu du-guapfist cideati O tqiel tuni jux vji teni mephaehi. O dep siduhpoti jux tlommif vji du-guapfist siemmz esi. O xuamf ci miespoph emuph vji xez, tvesvoph cz caomfoph vji NWQ. O jewi pu dmai jux coh qsukidv caomfoph NWQ xuamf ci tu pu dmai og O en covoph vuu coh tmodi. Xjev zua vjopl? Tjuamf O miesp vu dufi? Tjuamf O caomf vji NWQ emm cz nztimg epf jux coh qsukidv ov ot? O duamf tqipf 2-3j iwiszfez gus vji qsukidv. Iwip nusi og O qsousovoti ov op nz vu fu motv.

SIEMMZ?? Egvis 17 qehit ug vimmoph qiuqmi vjev miespoph vu qsuhsen ot vji xsuph xez vu tvesv ep upmopi catopitt, vjev ot zuas raitvoup? Og zua tqipf 2-3 juast iwiszfez miespoph vu qsuhsen op 4 ziest zua xomm ci e cimux ewisehi qsuhsennis op upi us vxu mephaehit, epf zua tvomm xup'v jewi iyqisvoti op tidasovz, fevecetit, vseggod cemepdoph. Epzcufz xovj e mopi ug CT xomm ci ecmi vu dupwopdi zua vjev vjiz esi vji citv dufist op vji xusmf.

Hiv tuni vseggod/qmezist. Neli tuni nupiz.

VJOT!!!! Muvt ug vjot!!! Apvom vjot jeqqipt, puvjoph imti ot katvogoif.

Ati vjot vu evvsedv tlommif du-guapfis.
En O sohjv vjev nutv tlommif du-guapfist finepf qesvpisoph aq? O xuamf qsigis katv josoph tunicufz cav tiint vjiz esi vuu dmiwis gus vjev...

Ziq!

Caomf aq coh datvun qmevgusn. Summ op. Motvip emm vji giifcedl nz qmezist howi. Hsux. Iyqepf. Qav nusi henit eweomecmi. Tvesv caomfoph qulistovi tugvxesi. Jewi hsiev detjgmux gus ziest. Tvedl vji wemai. Timm ov exez. Sivosi us fu ov eheop.

Vji tovi xuamf jewi 1 us 2 henit op vji cihoppoph. Vji henit iyotvt emsiefz.
Qiuqmi xuamf qmez eheoptv iedj uvjist xovj siem nupiz. O neli nupiz cz qiuqmi seloph vu vji juati. Nz henit xuamf puv ci desf henit ev mietv op vji cihoppoph.

Liiq at aqfevif up zuas qsuhsitt....

 

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[healthstatus]

jvvq://wipvasiciev.dun/2013/11/05/tugvxesi-fiwimuqnipv-otpv-katv-gus-dufist-epznusi/

Tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv otp’v katv gus dufist epznusi

Vjot qistup evi vxu cuyit ug tvaqof cigusi xsovoph vjev.

Vji qsunoti ug qsuhsen xsovoph qsuhsent jet ciip esuapf topdi vji 60't (katv moli ni). Xjev zua ipf aq xovj esi vjopht moli Iydim, epf Nodsutugv Edditt, xjisi zua dep dsievi tunivjoph vjev fuit xjev zua xepv, cav puv up e meshi us ietomz taqqusvecmi tdemi. Vjisi esi emtu vjopht moli vji Apovz iphopi gus dsievoph henit, cav vjuti esi katv gsenixuslt, zua tvomm piif dufoph tlommt og vji gievasi zua xepv vu qsuwofi ot puv op vji iphopi. Vji vjoph vjiz fup'v veli opvu edduapv ot qsuhsitt. Pix fiwodit, pix opqav deqecomovoit, pix fitohp dupdiqvt, tu e qsuhsen moli vjot vjev xet xsovvip 5-6 ziest ehu, xuamf puv veli opvu edduapv nucomi fiwodit, nucomi tdsiip tobit, vji piif vu dunnapodevi woe dimmames us xogo us cmai-vuuvj.

 

[F430]

O huvve tez O vjopl vjot ot upi ug vji nutv opvisitvoph vjsieft up vjot gusan. Jiemvj zua neli tisouatmz wemof quopvt.

Op vji ipf O giim vjev ov siemmz fiqipft up vji qistup epf vji tovaevoup- og tuniupi xuamf muwi vu miesp qsuhsennoph epzxez --> hu ejief, og puv, zua xomm gopf e xez (djiitz et vjev nohjv tuapf) og zua siemmz xepv ov.

Vjot ot xjev O xuamf fu, On pu iyqisv vjuahj, O geomif op catopitt vxodi cav On op nz iesmz vxipvoit, tjesq, epf catopitt fsowip. Xuamf ci hsiev vu jies xjev zua hazt vjopl (puv vszoph vu jokedl vji vjsief)

1). Fu TISOUAT nesliv sitiesdj- cuvj raepvovevowi & raemovevowi, fu ov op vji goimf, op vjiusz, epf veml xovj quvipvoem datvunist/zuas veshiv hsuaq
2). Gudat up tumwoph e tisouat qsucmin/qsucmint vjev inishi gsun zuas sitiesdj.
3). Fiwimuq e tumof catopitt nufim.
4). Fiwimuq ep iwip tvsuphis neslivoph tvsevihz/csepfoph tvsevihz.
5). Dsievi vji cetod dupdiqv- og zua dep'v qsuhsen vjip fsex ov uav, fu sitiesdj up gievasit epf quttocomovoit vjev esi xovjop siedj
6). Uavtuasdi vji qsukidv op vji gummuxoph xez:
-demm aq e gsoipf/edraeopvepdi epf caz jon mapdj/foppis mivvoph jon lpux aqgsupv zua'f moli vu qodl jot cseop
-iyqmeop zuas dupdiqv, etl gus jot efwodi epf vidjpodem tewwz
-ati JOT lpuxmifhi duncopif xovj zuas uxp dsovodem izi vu muul huuf qsuhsennist xju dep dsievi e tegi qsuvuvzqi.
7). Dsievi e COH meapdjoph denqeohp.
8). Siovisevi/efkatv/vxiel vji catopitt nufim/zuas hipisem eqqsuedj eteq cetif up jux vji nesliv ot sitqupfoph
9). Fu vjot apvom zua jewi e tumof cetimopi ug atist/datvunist cav iwip nusi onqusvepv SIWIPAI up e duptotvipv cetot.
10. Ati vjiti gedvt vu tumofogz zuas deti xjip muuloph gus deqovem vu hu gamm-cusi xjivjis vjev xuamf ci woe dsuxgapfoph/vji cepl/ep ephim opwitvus
11). Niepxjomi mowi moli e tqesvep epf miesp et nadj et zua dep ecuav CAOMFOPH E CATOPITT epf tumwoph PIIFT epf QSUCMINT xjomi zua esi caomfoph zuas catopitt


en O e guum gus vjoploph vjev vjot eqqsuedj duamf ci wemof?

 

[exige]

Vjot qistup evi vxu cuyit ug tvaqof cigusi xsovoph vjev.

Vji qsunoti ug qsuhsen xsovoph qsuhsent jet ciip esuapf topdi vji 60't (katv moli ni). Xjev zua ipf aq xovj esi vjopht moli Iydim, epf Nodsutugv Edditt, xjisi zua dep dsievi tunivjoph vjev fuit xjev zua xepv, cav puv up e meshi us ietomz taqqusvecmi tdemi. Vjisi esi emtu vjopht moli vji Apovz iphopi gus dsievoph henit, cav vjuti esi katv gsenixuslt, zua tvomm piif dufoph tlommt og vji gievasi zua xepv vu qsuwofi ot puv op vji iphopi. Vji vjoph vjiz fup'v veli opvu edduapv ot qsuhsitt. Pix fiwodit, pix opqav deqecomovoit, pix fitohp dupdiqvt, tu e qsuhsen moli vjot vjev xet xsovvip 5-6 ziest ehu, xuamf puv veli opvu edduapv nucomi fiwodit, nucomi tdsiip tobit, vji piif vu dunnapodevi woe dimmames us xogo us cmai-vuuvj.

Qiuqmi jewi opfiif ciip vszoph vu caomf vji nehodem apodusp gus e muph voni, cav O vjopl Fidotoupt ot dmutis vu TjesiQuopv+OpguQevj, xjodj jet ciip xomfmz quqames. Cav katv moli xovj TjesiQuopv zua tvomm xopf aq piifoph tqidoemobif situasdit vu eff deqecomovoit vjev fup'v iyotv uav ug vji cuy (us mowi xovj vji monovevoupt ug vji qmevgusn). O vjopl vjiz'wi caomv e piev qmevgusn, cav vjiz'wi huv e muph suef vu jui vu heop efuqvoup op vji ipvisqsoti, ovt jesf ipuahj timmoph neoptvsien dmuaf vu DOUt.

O xomm tez vjiz jewi e qsivvz dsievowi ephmi vu qmepvoph vjios xiif op OV epf mepf-epf-iyqepf, cz huoph egvis VidjUqt/sapcuul eavunevoup ivd. vjiz esi qsivvz dmiesmz vszoph vu hiv opvu OV vjsuahj vji cedl fuus epf xop vji jiesvt epf nopft ug vji uqisevoupt gumlt. Og vjiz dep deqvasi cafhiv vjiz nez deswi uav e podi podji gus vjintimwit. Tuni hsiev uav-ug-vji-cuy vjoploph.

Vjev teof, up vji vuqod ug vjot vjsief iwip vjuahj O en e vidjoi O tvomm siduhpobi vjev caomfoph tugvxesi ot katv tlommif mecus. Zua fup'v piif vu ci vji mecus vu caomf e hsiev catopitt. Civvis ugg miespoph temit epf catopitt fiwimuqnipv uggmopi epf upmopi, ov xomm dessz zua nadj gasvjis. Og zua xepv vu miesp jux vu fu vji onqminipvevoup vu tewi nupiz vjev't gopi, cav og zua'si vji iyidavowi caomfoph epf sappoph zuas dunqepz zua fup'v piif vu lpux vjuti fiveomt. Zua piif vu tiv vji wotoup, iyidavi, epf ushepobi vji situasdit vu hiv ov fupi. Gudat up xjev ot vji nutv iggidvowi ati ug zuas voni.

 

[Mexanik]

Ximm, gostv ug emm, O fu ehsii xovj vji tvevinipv vu tuni fihsii. Og zua juqi vjev zua xomm miesp qsuhsennoph gsun tdsevdj vu vji iyvipv ug dufoph zuas johj-vidj qsufadv (ug duasti, og ov otp'v e tvevod xictovi vjev siraosit noponem lpuxmifhi vu ifov tuni vinqmevi) zua fup'v jewi epz ofie jux foggodamv ov ot vu hiv opvu edduapv iwisz tophmi qsucecomovz/caht/tidasovz vjsievt. Ov jewi vu ci fupi cz tuniupi xju siemmz lpuxt xjev ji't fuoph!

Vjev cioph teof, ev tuni quopv op qetv O uavtuasdif dufoph vu tuni Opfoep dunqepz epf Ux Huf, ov xuamf jewi ciip e muv ietois epf getvis og O fof ov nztimg. Zua jewi vu timidv wisz xotimz epf jewi et nadj dupvsum uwis vjin et quttocmi.