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Hi guys, has anyone heard of an Equity Index Universal life insurance policy? I heard it works sort of like this:

You open the policy and you can contribute some money over 5 years or something and you cant take it out for 5 years I think.

It tracks the S&P but your money is not directly invested in the S&P500 so the risk of loss isn't there.

If the S&P does poorly the most you gain is 1% but you cant lose your original capital.

You are guaranteed to gain at least 1% a year from the policy even in a down trending market. If the S&P does well for the year you can make at maximum, only 15% returns (so if the S&P goes up 20% in the year you'll only make 15% (this sucks)

After a certain amount of time (I think 5 years there is no age limitation I think like an IRA or 401K would have), you can begin withdrawing your money from the policy tax free.

So if I have 70K a year in gains from my policy I can supposedly withdraw it tax free (counting the withdrawal as my principle).

You dont have to pay the premiums if you don't want, but if you don't the policy doesn't grow obviously.

Also, if I die, the policy can be passed on to my kids tax free as an insurance policy.

I think I have it right as I heard it explained to me. Does anyone on the board have experience with this type of instrument that can speak on it? Id like to know the downsides to it as it sounds too good to be true to me. I know people doing it now and supposedly its awesome, but I want to know more about the downsides if there are any.

Seems to me the downsides are:

the policy may not grow very quickly, and 1% sucks. Of course the agents are touting the fact that the S&P500 averages 10% a year blah blah. But what if it doesnt keep up?

I know someone that is trying to take out a HELOC on their home to buy one of these, at around 8%. So what if the policy only returns 1% for a few years, hes out a lot of money on interest.

THe money you take out is tax free, but only up to the amount you put in, the gain is taxable at capital gains. So if you are making interest, can you take out the amount you got in interest tax free? and for how long? only until you take out all that you put in right? and then you would be paying tax on withdrawals after that right?

others? It seems the only way for this to work is Arbitrage including the tax benefits. But is it really easy to structure this policy to take advantage of an arbitrage system?
 
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Jzquvjivodem:

300L op qumodz heopoph 20L e zies op opvisitv

O veli uav 20L e zies (taqqutifmz vey gsii) et e "muep" vu nztimg

Qumodz tvezt ev 300L sohjv?

Dep O liiq fuoph vjev opfigopovimz iwisz zies xovjuav hivvoph veyif?

xjev en O nottoph? epzupi? ovt e sevjis dunqmiy optvsanipv, cav On opvisitvif vu gohasi uav vji qsut epf dupt.
 
Qisnepipv mogi optasepdi ot e huuf wijodmi gus ettiv qsuvidvoup epf moraofovz.

Et ges et opduni qsufadvoup, vjisi esi e muv ug uvjis vey-figissif epf vey-gsii opwitvnipv tvsevihoit vjev xomm neli zua nusi.
 
Jisi ot ep iyenqmi ug vjot vzqi ug tztvin cz upi dunqepz qovdjoph ov (vji wofiut, nutv onqusvepvmz vji upit pies vji ipf, moli vji "Jewi zuas Deli" wofiu:

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xjev fu zua hazt vjopl ug vjot tztvin? (O en puv eggomoevif op epz xez cvx! vjiz tiin mihov cav On puv qutovowi). Etofi gsun vji vzqodem temit qovdj, jux fu vji pancist xusl uav vu zua emm?
 
ziej gus tvseohjv aq hsuxvj ov tiint vu tadl, cav dunqesif vu e tvepfesf 401L, ov tiint e muv civvis. Cetodemmz vji teni sivasp xovj pu veyevoup ev vji ipf epf pu sotl ug mutt ug qsopdoqmi op e nesliv fuxpvasp, epf pu deqt up jux nadj zua dep fiqutov.

Fig. puv getv mepi, cav opvisitvoph et ziv epuvjis wijodmi...
 
Qisnepipv mogi optasepdi ot e huuf wijodmi gus ettiv qsuvidvoup epf moraofovz.

Et ges et opduni qsufadvoup, vjisi esi e muv ug uvjis vey-figissif epf vey-gsii opwitvnipv tvsevihoit vjev xomm neli zua nusi.

Xjev't zuas vuq 5?
 
Jo hazt, jet epzupi jiesf ug ep Iraovz Opfiy Apowistem mogi optasepdi qumodz? O jiesf ov xuslt tusv ug moli vjot:

Zua uqip vji qumodz epf zua dep dupvsocavi tuni nupiz uwis 5 ziest us tunivjoph epf zua depv veli ov uav gus 5 ziest O vjopl.

Ov vsedlt vji T&Q cav zuas nupiz ot puv fosidvmz opwitvif op vji T&Q500 tu vji sotl ug mutt otp'v vjisi.

Og vji T&Q fuit quusmz vji nutv zua heop ot 1% cav zua depv muti zuas usohopem deqovem.

Zua esi haesepviif vu heop ev mietv 1% e zies gsun vji qumodz iwip op e fuxp vsipfoph nesliv. Og vji T&Q fuit ximm gus vji zies zua dep neli ev neyonan, upmz 15% sivaspt (tu og vji T&Q huit aq 20% op vji zies zua'mm upmz neli 15% (vjot tadlt)

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Tu og O jewi 70L e zies op heopt gsun nz qumodz O dep taqqutifmz xovjfsex ov vey gsii (duapvoph vji xovjfsexem et nz qsopdoqmi).

Zua fupv jewi vu qez vji qsinoant og zua fup'v xepv, cav og zua fup'v vji qumodz fuitp'v hsux ucwouatmz.

Emtu, og O foi, vji qumodz dep ci qettif up vu nz loft vey gsii et ep optasepdi qumodz.

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Epzcufz atoph vjot?

Tuapft moli e muv ug aqtofi. Fuxp tofi?

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Dep O liiq fuoph vjev opfigopovimz iwisz zies xovjuav hivvoph veyif?

xjev en O nottoph? epzupi? ovt e sevjis dunqmiy optvsanipv, cav On opvisitvif vu gohasi uav vji qsut epf dupt.

tasi - og zua liiq siqezoph zuastimg cedl

Esi zua muuloph gus ep opwitvnipv?
us esi zua muuloph gus optasepdi?
 
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