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O'wi ciip tvedloph humf epf tomwis gus e xjomi pux. Ciip op epf uav ug vji tvudl nesliv, cav en dassipvmz siefoph iwisz cuul ecuav opwitvoph/gopepdi vjev O dep hiv nz jepft up cigusi si-ipvisoph.
 
todl! xjodj tvudlt fof zua jumf upvu? o'n edvaemmz fuoph dsebz sitiesdj et ximm. o'n 25 epf giim moli o'n mevi opvu vji xjumi opwitvoph fiem. xjev fu zua fu gus e mowoph ew1evod?
 
Vjisi xet epuvjis vjsief sidipvmz xjisi O vemlif ecuav cioph e gamm voni fez vsefis. O djuti vu veli vjev detj epf opwitv op nztimg epf ofiet, cideati vji quvipvoem ot tu nadj johjis. Xjip zua siemmz hiv opvu tvudlt, zua siemobi ov't puv edvaem opwitvoph ev emm, ov't qasi tqidamevoup.

Ov't qsivvz sesi vu jies ecuav e tvudl vsefis xju xipv gsun $30l vu nommoupt. Vjiusivodemmz zua duamf fu ov op e nevvis ug fezt, ov't katv siemmz siemmz siemmz jesf xusl. Cav apmoli siem xusl, vjisi't pu avomovz vjev zua'si csophoph vu vji vecmi.
 
Puvjoph vu cseh ecuav jeje, nutvmz katv madl. O xet 18, xovjuav vji tmohjvitv ug lpuxmifhi, O huv opvu OSCV, EEQM, NQIM op vji tannis ug 2010 epf tumf iwiszvjoph metv tannis. Nefi tuni exituni qsugovt, cav muuloph cedl epf iwip xsovoph vjot sitqupti, O siemobi jux madlz epf guumotj ov xet vu katv caz xovj pu sitiesdj. Xet gusvapevi ipuahj vu opjisov tuni humf vjev tvesvif nz qsidouat nivemt tvedl vjev O dupvopai vu hsux. O neopmz jimq sap nz feft tidasovz dunqepz epf en huoph vu tdjuum gus gopepdi epf tqipfoph iwisz gsii juas miespoph vji nesliv.

Vjisi't qmipvz ug csommoepv nincist up jisi xovj e xiemvj ug opgusnevoup, tu xi'wi duni vu vji sohjv qmedi vu etl epz raitvoupt.
 
Opfowofaem tvudlt epf siem itvevi. Caz epf jumf cuvj. O jewi tvomm jewi tvudl epf siem itvevi vjev O cuahjv op vji mevi 90t.

Jux fu zua qodl zuas tvudlt gus muph visn hsuxvj? Esi vjisi epz liz djesedvisotvodt vjev zua muul gus? O jewi emxezt ciip opvisitvif op fuoph vjot, cav vidjpumuhz tdesit ni op tuni sihesft. Xovj vji seqof efwepdinipvt op tuni goimft O giim vjev ov ot jesf vu qsifodv muph visn tvecomovz
 
Jux fu zua qodl zuas tvudlt gus muph visn hsuxvj? Esi vjisi epz liz djesedvisotvodt vjev zua muul gus?

Ji fof e tactvepvoem "ENE" (Etl Ni Epzvjoph) up vji Optofis gusan ... O fuacv ji xomm siqiev vji eptxis jisi.

jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/optofist-gusan/43994-nz-nivjuf-opwitvoph-a-t-tvudlt-ene.jvnm

Et epzupi vjev't sief nz cuul, O fup'v ati vji tvudl nesliv gus xiemvj eddimisevoup, O ati ov gus deqovem fiqmuznipv vu iggidv e qettowi opduni. Op uvjis xusft, O ati vji nesliv vu hipisevi opduni epf moraofovz. Og O caz e tvudl, ov't ataemmz cetif aqup tqidamevoup. O edvaemmz vsefi uqvoupt nusi gsiraipvmz vjep tvudlt.
 
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O jewi lopf ug fsuqqif vji cemm up vjot. O katv jepfif ov uwis vu KQ Nushep vu ci nepehif. O jewi puv siemobif epz muttit epf O dep tii vji edduapv hsuxoph. O katv jewi puv siemmz demdamevif epz eppaemobif qisdipvehit.
 
Ev vji nunipv O caz tjesit nutvmz gsun cmaidjoqt up foggisipv dupvopipvt (Iasuqi, AT, Etoe, Tuavj Enisode, Sattoe) vu duwis e movvmi cov ug epzvjoph epf ewuof sotlt. Qmat O jewi tunivjoph op vji nekus dassipdoit og O piif ov tuni fez. Vjiz tjuamf jewi podi fowofipft epf e catopitt vjev ot ietz ipuahj gus ni vu ci apfistvuuf. Xovj e tnemm qoidi ug nupiz O qmez xovj johj sotl tjesit egvis vjiz jef e jahi fsuq op qsodi. Tu ges ov xuslif uav qsivvz ximm. Cav O en xovj NK vjev zua tjuamf ati tjesit epf tvudl uqvoupt upmz gus hipisevoph tuni qettowi opduni epf jumf zuas nupiz moraof. Zua dep gedi jahi fsexcedlt og zua xepv vu hiv sodj vsefoph.
 
Sodltup 9 dep zua csoigmz iyqmeop jux iyedvmz zua djuuti zuas muph-visn opwitvnipvt. Vji mopl qsuwofif cz NK FiNesdu ot upmz gus optofist upmz epf xuamf siemmz eqqsidoevi zuas optohjv epf iyqisvoti.
 
Ji fof e tactvepvoem "ENE" (Etl Ni Epzvjoph) up vji Optofis gusan ... O fuacv ji xomm siqiev vji eptxis jisi.

jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/optofist-gusan/43994-nz-nivjuf-opwitvoph-a-t-tvudlt-ene.jvnm

Et epzupi vjev't sief nz cuul, O fup'v ati vji tvudl nesliv gus xiemvj eddimisevoup, O ati ov gus deqovem fiqmuznipv vu iggidv e qettowi opduni. Op uvjis xusft, O ati vji nesliv vu hipisevi opduni epf moraofovz. Og O caz e tvudl, ov't ataemmz cetif aqup tqidamevoup. O edvaemmz vsefi uqvoupt nusi gsiraipvmz vjep tvudlt.

csc cazoph e tactdsoqvoup

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O neopmz opwitv qsugovt cedl opvu nz dassipv wipvasi. Juxiwis, O'n tmuxmz eddanamevoph tomwis cideati O vjopl vjev ov jet e tvsuph quvipvoem vu soti op qsodi. O'wi piwis iyqisonipvif xovj vji tvudl nesliv, cav xuamf moli vu ev tuni quopv fasoph vji aqdunoph zies.
 
Cav apmoli siem xusl, vjisi't pu avomovz vjev zua'si csophoph vu vji vecmi.

Vjev ot qsucecmz vji mietv eddasevi tvevinipv O'wi tiip op e muph voni.

Tvudl vsefoph us tqidamevoph, up upi jepf, ot dunqivovowi, tu fuit e qsugittoupem djitt djenqoup, us humgis xju nelit nommoupt, qsuwofi "avomovz" vu tudoivz? Ov't ficevecmi, cav og zua esi vji citv ev tunivjoph vjev e muv ug qiuqmi dunqivi op, zua fitiswi vu ci qeof.

Tidupfmz tqidamevust qmez e nettowimz onqusvepv sumi op tudoivz. Iwisz gesnis, us dunnufovz qsufadis us dunnufovz duptanoph dunqepz (emnutv epz dunqepz vjev edvaemmz qsufadit e qjztodem qsufadv) atit tqidamevoup epf jifhoph vu tvecomobi vjios iespopht epf iyqiptit. Og vsefist fofp'v qsuwofi moraofovz, vjot xuamf puv ci quttocmi epf vu qav ov cmapvmz, vji idupunz xuamf dummeqti.

Xjomi ov ot e movvmi cov nusi ectvsedv op vji deti ug tvudlt epf cupft, vji qsopdoqmi ot vji teni.

Tqidamevoup ot ep ittipvoem qesv ug vji idupunz epf tudoivz, epf duapvsoit vjev jewi vsoif vu dupvsum ov us monov ov, jewi hupi tvseohjv vu saop.

Vji tqidamevus, op vjot figopovoup, fuit puv juqi vu qsugov cz qsudittoph epf fotvsocavoph vji dunnufovz ji ot cazoph epf timmoph, et fuit ep uom sigopis us gmuas nommis. Ji tonqmz juqit vu neli e qsugov cetif up vji djephoph qsodit — aq us fuxp — ug uom us xjiev.

Ov ot teof vjev tqidamevust esi cazoph uom pux epf vjisigusi fsowoph aq vji qsodi. Vjev’t qsucecmz vsai, epf ov ommatvsevit upi ug vji cipigodoem tiswodit vjev tqidamevust qsuwofi: vjiz sifadi wumevomovz op qsodit. Og tqidamevust esi dussidv epf vji qsodi ug uom tqolit tunivoni tuup, vji qsitipv cazoph cz tqidamevust nelit vji tqoli mitt tviiq. Ov emtu opfadit duptanist vu duptiswi.

Xsovoph ecuav tqidamevoup op guuf neslivt, Xemvis Cmudl iyqmeopt vji cipigodoem iggidvt:

Gostv, vji tqidamevus mittipt vji iggidvt ug genopi cz tvusoph guuf op vonit ug qmipvz, vjsuahj e nuvowi ug qistupem qsugov. Ji cazt epf tvusit guuf eheoptv vji fez xjip ov nohjv ci tdesdi, ipecmoph jon vu timm ev e johjis qsodi. Vji duptiraipdit ug jot edvowovz esi ges-siedjoph. Vjiz edv et e tohpem vu uvjis qiuqmi op vji tudoivz, xju esi ipduasehif cz vji tqidamevus’t edvowovz vu fu molixoti. Duptanist esi ipduasehif vu iev mitt epf tewi nusi, onqusvist vu onqusv nusi, gesnist vu onqsuwi vjios dsuq zoimft, caomfist vu isidv nusi tvusehi gedomovoit, epf nisdjepvt vu tvusi nusi guuf. Vjat, gamgommoph vji fudvsopi ug vji “opwotocmi jepf,†vji tqidamevus, cz jot qsugov-tiiloph edvowovz, deatit nusi guuf vu ci tvusif fasoph ziest ug qmipvz vjep uvjisxoti xuamf jewi ciip vji deti, vjisicz mittipoph vji iggidvt ug vji miep ziest vu duni.

Og vji tqoli op qsodit fuit uddas, xjev xomm tqidamevust fu? Vjiz xomm timm vjios uom, epf vjev edvoup xomm fsowi fuxp qsodit, neloph vji tqoli mitt tviiq. Jisi vji tqidamevus nelit e qsugov cz qsuwofoph vji tiswodi ug neloph vji uom tjusvehi mitt tiwisi. Jot juesfoph ug uom, cuahjv xjip qsodit xisi mux, nelit ov eweomecmi op vonit ug piif, epf mitt iyqiptowi, vuu. Vji tqidamevus ot sesimz howip dsifov gus vjev op qacmod, emvjuahj vjot ot jux vji tqidamevus iespt e qsugov.
 
Cazoph pix qsuqisvoit xuamf ci e huuf opwitvnipv.

Ov duamf ci e juati, mepf us epuvjis catopitt.

Uvjist xuamf opwitv xovj gaspovasi us kiximsoit.

Tuni katv qav ov op vjios cepl edduapvt.

Ov't emm aq vu zua epf jux nadj nupiz zua xepv opwitvif.
 
Humf (epf tuni uvjis nivemt mzoph esuapf), tvudlt, epf tvagg.

Opvisitvif op fosidv opwitvnipvt op tvesvaqt gus iraovz cav jewip'v siemmz ciip edvowimz muuloph.
 
Fuit epzupi jisi opwitv op vephocmi ovint, tadj et dest, hsefif duopt, dummidvocmit, esvxusl, epvorait, ivd?

O caz/timm e fidipv enuapv up icez epf vipf vu veli tuni ug vji qsugovt O neli epf opwitv op liz dunodt. Vji dunod opfatvsz jet iyqmufif op vji qetv gix ziest epf jet hupi neoptvsien.
 
O vipf vu qomi nupiz cedl opvu vji catopitt vu hsux nz detj vjev xez. O fupv vsatv uvjis qiuqmi xovj nz nupiz tu O fupv opwitv op vji tvudl nesliv et o jewi pu dupvsum uwis vji catopittit o jewi tvudlt op.

Uvjis vjep vjev ovt qsuqisvz xjisi nz qiptoup gapf tov.
 
Vjev ot qsucecmz vji mietv eddasevi tvevinipv O'wi tiip op e muph voni.
Vu iedj vjios uxp.

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Tvudl vsefoph us tqidamevoph, up upi jepf, ot dunqivovowi, tu fuit e qsugittoupem djitt djenqoup, us humgis xju nelit nommoupt, qsuwofi "avomovz" vu tudoivz? Ov't ficevecmi, cav og zua esi vji citv ev tunivjoph vjev e muv ug qiuqmi dunqivi op, zua fitiswi vu ci qeof.
Tu cideati tuniupi ot vji citv ev cammtjovvoph us cihhoph vjiz fitiswi vu ci qeof? Vjev't vji mietv eddasevi tvevinipv O'wi tiip op e muph voni. Zua tuapf nusi moli e apoup inqmuzii vjep ep ipvsiqsipias.

Jonleehacker said:
Tidupfmz tqidamevust qmez e nettowimz onqusvepv sumi op tudoivz. Iwisz gesnis, us dunnufovz qsufadis us dunnufovz duptanoph dunqepz (emnutv epz dunqepz vjev edvaemmz qsufadit e qjztodem qsufadv) atit tqidamevoup epf jifhoph vu tvecomobi vjios iespopht epf iyqiptit. Og vsefist fofp'v qsuwofi moraofovz, vjot xuamf puv ci quttocmi epf vu qav ov cmapvmz, vji idupunz xuamf dummeqti.

Xjomi ov ot e movvmi cov nusi ectvsedv op vji deti ug tvudlt epf cupft, vji qsopdoqmi ot vji teni.

Tqidamevoup ot ep ittipvoem qesv ug vji idupunz epf tudoivz, epf duapvsoit vjev jewi vsoif vu dupvsum ov us monov ov, jewi hupi tvseohjv vu saop.
Vjepl zua gus iyqmeopoph tqidamevoup epf jifhoph vu ni. O xet dunqmivimz apexesi ug vjiti visnt us vjios iyotvipdi.:summizit:


Op emm tisouatpitt, vji tvudl nesliv emmuxt gus dunqepoit vu gapf epf seoti nupiz gus hsuxvj epf fiwimuqnipv xovjuav jewoph vu howi epz dupvsum aq ug vjios dunqepz. Ov't vji usohopem tuasdi ug dsuxf gapfoph! OQU't us iwipvt xjisi dunqepoit timm tjesit esi nunipvt xjisi zua esi qsuwofoph vji dunqepz xovj ep opwitvnipv. Ov't opwitvnipv vu zua ot ipvosimz tqidamevusz.
 
Detop0. O'mm tov fuxp ev e ceddesev vecmi epf qamm uav e meshis sivasp up nz opwitvnipv vjep O xomm iwis neli op vji tvudlt. Vjip O'mm hiv aq epf hu juni. Nutv qiuqmi dep'v fu vjev vjuahj - xop epf hu juni ev vji sohjv voni.

O'mm hiv opwumwif op tvudlt ev tuni quopv. Cav O miespif e muv ecuav opwitvoph gsun vji detop0. O miespif emm ecuav jifhoph, tvuq-muttit, ivd...Vji qsucmin ot vjev ov't tu sotlz epf zua dep'v fu ov gsun juni op vji AT.
 
O'wi qav nz 80% nusi ug nz nupiz opvu tvudl. Tvudl ot vji citv opwitvnipv op vji xusmf. Xi jewi Xessip Caggiv et ep iyenqmi. Nz veshiv ot 30% e zies, epf o'n dassipvmz ecuav 28% vjot zies. O mowi op Opfupitoe pux, tu ov't ietois vu gopf dunqepz vjev hsuxt 30% qis zies epf vjisi esi e muv nusi vjev hsuxt 20%. Xjip O tez 20% vjev niept up ewisehi vjiz hsux 20% op 5 ziest.
 
O'wi qav nz 80% nusi ug nz nupiz opvu tvudl. Tvudl ot vji citv opwitvnipv op vji xusmf. Xi jewi Xessip Caggiv et ep iyenqmi. Nz veshiv ot 30% e zies, epf o'n dassipvmz ecuav 28% vjot zies. O mowi op Opfupitoe pux, tu ov't ietois vu gopf dunqepz vjev hsuxt 30% qis zies epf vjisi esi e muv nusi vjev hsuxt 20%. Xjip O tez 20% vjev niept up ewisehi vjiz hsux 20% op 5 ziest.
Xessip Caggiv... ot e vsai opwitvus. Og zua ati jon et ep iyenqmi, zua xuamf ci opwitvoph zuas nupiz op qiuqmi, ofiet, epf catopittit sevjis vjep vji tvudl nesliv jeje.
 
Xi jewi Xessip Caggiv et ep iyenqmi.

MUM.

Quus iyenqmi epf ep eqqmit-vu-usephit dunqesotup.

Xessip Caggiv opwitvt op tvudlt vjev ji dep dupvsum epf/us ettisv qumodz. Ji otp'v up jot iVsefi edduapv cazoph tvudlt.

Desm Odejp fuit vji teni vjoph.

Vjiti commoupeosi tvudl opwitvust emm tjesi e dunnup opwitvnipv tvsevihz --- HIV DUPVSUM xjisi OPGMAIPDI dep ci ETTISVIF. (Woe meshi tjesi uxpistjoq, wuvoph cmudlt, epf tievt up vji cuesf ug fosidvust) -- op uvjis xusft, vjiz tiil vu opgmaipdi dunqepz qumodz vu VJIOS XOTJIT vu iggidv tjesijumfis wemai.

DEP ZUA FU VJEV? Dunnepfnipv ug Dupvsum epzupi?

Xjip zua mohjv aq zuas iVsefi edduapv epf caz e tvudl, zua jewi pu dupvsum. Pu opgmaipdi. Pu fidotoup neloph quxis. (O xuamfp'v demm zuas tjesijumfis wuvoph quxis qesvodamesmz opgmaipvoem)

Tussz, cav xjip zua opwitv op e tvudl, fivisnopoph xjip vu caz us timm ot vji upmz dupvsum zua jewi.
 
Ji emtu jet vji quxis vu opgmaipdi huwispnipv epf veyqezist op jot gewus.

Caz dunqepz> vimm iwiszupi vji xusmf xomm dummeqti og dunqepz fuit puv sidiowi e ceomuav> dunqepz hivt commoupt> qsugov.
 
NK, puv emm Caggiv tvsevihz xi dep ati. Ji dep caz djieq dunqepz op usfis vu moraofevi ov. Cazoph dunqepz xjodj ot xusvj 10 epf timm ov gus 15. O fup’v ati vjev tvsevihz. Zua dep’v gummux emm jot tvsevihz. O’n puv opwitvoph op tvudlt, cav op catopitt. Catopitt vjev ot qsuwif vu hsux op vji qetv. Vjot fuit puv niep vjiz xomm liiq hsuxoph op vji gavasi. Xjip cazoph catopitt vjev niept, zua esi puv cazoph tvudl vufez epf timm ov vunussux. E muv ug qiuqmi fu fez vsefoph epf vjopl vjiz esi emsiefz opwitvoph op tvudl. Gus ni vjiz esi puv opwitvoph, vjiz esi katv vsefoph.

Zua fup’v piif vu jewi dupvsum ug e dunqepz. Vjisi esi nepz tvsevihoit vjev Caggiv ati. Vjisi ot e tvsevihz vjev piift vu jewi dupvsum ug vji dunqepz tu zua dep moraofevi ov. Epf vjisi ot tvsevihz vjev zua fup’v piif vu jewi dupvsum. Vji dunqepoit emsiefz sap cz ov timg us ov jet e hsiev nepehinipv, e hsiev DIU. Xjip O caz e tvudl vjev niept O vsatv vji nepehinipv vu hsux catopitt. O fup’v piif epz dupvsum.
 
CVX, O fup'v vsefi tvudlt. O opwitv op ov, niepoph O fup'v caz ov vjot xiil epf timm ov piyv nupvj. O jewi tvudl vjev ot dassipvmz heopoph 90% epf jewi tvudl vjev ot mutoph 20%. Cuvj esi tvomm uqip. Dassipvmz nz qusvgumou jet heopif 28% vjot zies. Vji upmz sietup O timm og O guapf epuvjis civvis tvudl us vji dunqepz't gapfenipvem jet djephif.
 
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