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My first venture in real estate investing -update 12/26

Hi everyone,

I am currently negotiating the purchase of a 2 unit residential rental property and thought I would document my experience in real estate investing from the beginning so everyone could follow along. If anyone has any advice to offer along the way, please feel free. I joined here to take advantage of your guy's experience.

If you missed my introduction thread... I think it might be worth a look to see where I'm coming from and then watch me get where I want to be -
http://www.thefastlanetomillions.com/showthread.php?p=14930#post14930

So back to real estate. I don't think I need to go into my reasoning behind wanting to get involved in this realm of investing. I think the benefits are well known and the return possibilities proven. It makes more sense than not to invest in real estate.

I've spent the past few years educating myself on the subject as well as making sure to prepare so that every aspect of my life was in place to pursue this when the time was right. I needed to have my credit in line, save up an emergency fund, get a decent enough job that I would have no problem with a dp or covering the mtg in case of a vacancy. I followed through on all those preparations and now I am finally ready to move forward.
First thing I did was to find a good market. I wanted someplace nearby my family and job, but outside the city and cook co. Someplace that was easily accessible to and from other hot areas around the chicagoland. And most importantly, someplace that I would want to live. I started out with a list of about ten possible locations, then that list became five, then two, and then one. I had figured out where I wanted to start looking for property. This city has great population and industry growth, low crime, low property taxes, lake michigan water, and a recent hwy construction running near by. Now it was time to start researching this area further. I started reading up on the city and co. government, history and future of the city, all kinds of trends and statistics. Everything was looking good so I picked out a nice section of the city to focus on. This area is a desirable downtown/historic neighborhood close to cathedrals, college campuses, a casino, nightlife, lots of jobs both white and blue collar, and solid property appreciation. I drove to this city during the daytime to walk around, night time to walk around, weekdays and weekends, just to get a real feel for what life is like in this area.
Now that I had done my due diligence in finding a location, I contacted a RE agent that is also involved in RE investing and knowledgeable in this market and we started looking at properties of my choosing. I must have looked at about 25 properties, of which only 2 caught my attention as having potential. I put in an offer on the first property but I wasn't aggressive enough and someone else jumped on it. Actually I couldn't have got it for what it was worth numbers wise so I don't feel like I missed out. The property needs to work out numbers wise because I don't want to get myself into a pickle financially.
My basic requirements of my first rental property are as follows:

1. it has to be turn key, fully furnished and livable. I want this first step to be an easy and enjoyable one that will encourage me to further invest in RE. I don't want to spend my time and money to bring a place up to decent living conditions right off the bat. I can do without the unnecessary frustrations until I get my feet wet a little.
2. since most two units in the area are converted sfr, it has to have private entrances to both units and a separate entrance to the basement/laundry/storage accessible by both units.
3. has a driveway and garage(possibility for extra monthly income)
4. rents at 100% occupancy have to cover the whole mtg. this is tough but I found one with a little searching.
5. since all of the homes in this area are about a hundred years old, I want something that has been recently rehabbed/updated with a modern appeal, I want central air, new bath and kitchen, new siding/windows/etc... all things that will make my property stand out from the rest when shown and command rents at the top of the market.

I know I was asking a lot, but I found a property that fits all my criteria perfectly. the first floor unit is a 2bed 1bath, hrd wood floors throughout, two entrances, very spacious and bright, very clean and modern, currently on a 6mo lease by a very nice, clean couple. the second floor unit is a 1bed 1bath that also has an updated bath/kitchen with hardwood flooring, painted walls, etc.. perfect place for me to live. If I get the property for what I think I'm going to at 0% down, the rent from the 1st floor will cover about 65% of my monthly mtg payments. So I will be moving into my first property, building equity, and paying about half of what I would if I were renting a place from somebody else. When I move out and get another property, this one will cash flow about $150 a month while fully rented(if rents remain where they are now) Starting to make good sence!! This leaves me able to continue to save about 80%(before food and stuff) of my monthly income.

Right now I'm waiting to hear back on my second counter offer. I hope to know something by the end of the day. I will post back here often as I continue on. This was the easy part, now the hard stuff comes into play...managing the property, tenants, and legal aspects which are all things that I have lots of questions on. I must say though that the process has been pretty painless up to this point, even kind of fun. I'm sure as I get further into this it will all figure itself out.

take care,
j p d
 
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Xjev mipfis esi zua atoph gus hivvoph bisu fuxp?

Huuf madl up hivvoph vji fiem- liiq at qutvif.
 
O'n xusloph xovj e tnemm mudem mipfis. Hsiev tiswodi epf wisz lpuxmifhiecmi ug vjios opfatvsz.

cvx, O huv epuvjis duapvis uggis cedl. Xi esi emnutv vjisi, ecuav e duaqmi hsepf vu hu op cuvj fosidvoupt.
 
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O jewi jiesf e muv ug tvusoit ecuav qiuqmi xju kanq op uwis vjios jief vuu raodl, gopepdi e 4 apov xjisi cioph ecmi vu duwis vji nvh ot fiqipfepv up ev mietv e 75% uddaqepdz qmat tuni uav ug qudliv gsun vji uxpis. Tunivjoph jeqqipt epf vjiz esi ev 50% gus e gix nupvjt epf vjiz jewi vu foq opvu vjios inishipdz gapf(og vjiz iwip jewi upi). Vjiz gopemmz hiv vji qmedi cedl vu 75% epf e gaspedi huit uav us tunivjoph epf vjiz esi tvadl, gemm cijopf up vji nvh epf ov katv itdemevit gsun vjisi.
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O figopovimz apfistvepf epf sitqidv vjev. Qistupemmz, O'n juqoph vu tvesv ugg xovj e 3 us 4 apov qsuqisvz vu civvis avomobi idupunoit ug tdemi. Ov nez ipveom e movvmi nusi sotl, cav ov't nusi molimz vu detjgmux epf op vji vuahj nesliv O'n op, vjev't dsadoem.

O'n tasi zuas qmep xomm xusl uav katv gopi. Op vji ipf, O haitt ov fuitp'v siemmz nevvis og zua qmep up caomfoph aq.

O'n xusloph xovj e tnemm mudem mipfis. Hsiev tiswodi epf wisz lpuxmifhiecmi ug vjios opfatvsz.

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Duphsevt! Eheop, liiq at qutvif! Iwiszcufz jisi muwit jisioph ecuav qsuhsitt! :)
 
Qsuhsitt aqfevi:

O katv huv xusf vjev vji timmis jet eddiqvif nz gopem uggis!!

Vji timmis huv cedl vu ni up Vjastfez xovj e duapvis uggis epf teof vjev xet et mux et ji xet xommoph vu hu. Cigusi O iwip qav op nz gostv uggis, O xuslif emm vji pancist epf deni aq xovj e qsodi O xuamf qez gus vjot qsuqisvz epf puv e fummes nusi. Jot gopem duapvis uggis xet tvomm ecuav 7l johjis vjep xjev O xet xommoph vu qez, tu O duapvisif xovj nz gopem uggis epf vumf vjin O xet huoph vu muul ev tuni uvjis qsuqisvoit. O huv e demm gsun nz ehipv vjot nuspoph xovj vji huuf pixt vjev nz uggis jet ciip eddiqvif.

Emnutv voni vu qav epuvjis djidl up nz motv.

xotj ni madl,
kqf
 
Duphsevamevoupt!! Vji qmedi tuapft siemmz podi epf O vjopl ov ot e qisgidv tvesv gus zua. Huvve muwi jewoph tuniupi imti qezoph gus qesv ug zuas nusvhehi!

Katv e gix vjuahjvt, et zua qsudiif xovj zuas vseptedvoup. Zua molimz jewi duptofisif/sief ecuav tuni ug vjiti emsiefz cav katv opdeti:
  • Dupgosn e sevi epf siwoix dmutoph dutvt xovj zuas mipfis (katv tu zua lpux, aq gsupv, xjev ot dunoph ev tivvminipv)
  • Ucveop e tumomf mieti ehsiinipv gus zuas tvevi. Emvjuahj zua xomm ci jupusoph vji iyotvoph sipvem ehsiinipv gus vji fuxptveost apov, zua xomm xepv vu ci qsiqesif xovj tunivjoph xjip sipixem voni dunit
  • Qsiqesi e motv ug dupvsedvust, xjun zua dep demm up, og epf xjip neovipepdi demmt uddas. Etl gsoipft/genomz/du-xuslist gus siqavecmi, sietupecmz qsodif dupvsedvust xju esi xommoph vu xusl op zuas pix piohjcusjuuf. O xuamf sidunnipf vji gummuxoph, ev e noponan:
    • Qmancoph
    • Imidvsodem
    • Suugoph
    • JWED
    • Qitv Dupvsum (qesvodamesmz og zua esi op vji dovz)
  • Tvsadvasi tuni vzqi ug sidusfoph tztvin. Ov duamf ci epzvjoph gsun e meshi xjovicuesf vu e gamm cmuxp tuvxesi eqqmodevoup cav zua xomm xepv e qmedi vu sidusf emm iyqipit epf opduni gsun zuas qsuqisvz. Neli ep ipvsz gus sipvem opduni iedj voni ov dunit op epf emtu ipvis epz dutvt (nusvhehi qeznipvt, siqeos dutvt, uggodi taqqmoit, ivd.)
Vji 2 cohhitv jettmit O ipduapvisif xjip O cuahjv nz gostv faqmiy xisi lpuxoph xju vu demm xjip e neovipepdi qsucmin deni aq epf vey voni. Qsiqesi e dupvsedvus motv cigusijepf tu vjev xjip zua esi uav vu foppis epf hiv vjev demm, ov xomm puv ci tadj e coh fiem. Zua esi raodlmz ecmi vu jepfmi cz katv neloph e tidupf qjupi demm (et uqqutif vu tdsencmoph gus xju vu demm vu goy vji hatjoph topl). Et gus vji veyit, og zua sidusf iedj opduni epf iyqipti et vjiz duni - katv neli ov e jecov - ov ot tu nadj ietois vjep vszoph vu sinincis/sitiesdj ev zies ipf. Zuas djepdit ug gushivvoph onqusvepv iyqiptit (xjodj duamf fidsieti vji vey zua jewi vu qez) esi tiwisimz opdsietif og zua esi puv xsovoph vjin fuxp op upi, dipvsem, mudevoup.

Vji citv ug madl vu zua!! Zua tjuamf ci wisz qsuaf! Tvesvoph uav ev zuas ehi xomm jewi tadj ep onqedv. Exituni!
 
Emmux ni vu tez vjev O en wisz onqsittif cz zuas qsuhsitt. Duphsevamevoup up vjot, epf mivt juqi gus e tnuuvj dmutoph. siq++

qjmhosm, hsiev efwodi, siq++
 
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Duphsevt csu, coh tviq!

Esi zua tvomm hivvoph 0% qisdipv fuxp?? Zua natv jewi e geosmz huuf dsifov tdusi- vjiti fezt ov tiint sesi vu ci ecmi vu hiv 0 fuxp.
 
... O lpux O xet etloph e muv,...

zua tjuamf ci dussidvif jisi: zua xisi puv etloph e muv. Zua xisi gummuxoph zuas ximm vjuahjv uav epf fiveomif qmep.

Huuf madl, cav zua xup'v piif ov.
 
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tevquopv, O en tvomm hivvoph 100% gopepdoph xjodj ot siemmz huoph vu cuutv nz suo. Epf nz dsifov ot ecuav et dmuti vu qisgidv et zua dep hiv. O lpux xjip O gostv vumf vji mipfis O xepvif 0 fuxp vjiz xisi meahjoph ev ni, vjev ot, apvom vjiz djidlif nz dsifov epf kuc jotvusz epf nupvjmz opduni. Katv dupgosnt nz cimoig vjev og zua qsiqesi gus zuas huemt iesmz up, zua xomm jewi mitt uctvedmit op zuas xez vu edjoiwi vjin.
 
O katv huv cedl gsun jewoph vji juni optqidvif.

Madlomz xi fofp'v gopf epz fiem csielist. Katv e gix nopus vjopht moli e mielz topl fseop epf tuni cef imidvsodem uavmivt. Vji xevis jievis ot ecuav 10 ziest umf epf ot lopf ug tnemm vu ci taqqmzoph e vxu apov tu O xomm nutv molimz jewi vu aqhsefi vjev. Vji suug ot huoph vu piif evvipvoup xovjop vji piyv 5 ziest(xjodj O emsiefz lpix epf vuul opvu duptofisevoup op nz fidofif qasdjeti qsodi). Emm op emm vjuahj, vji qsuqisvz muult moli e tumof opwitvnipv.

O en huoph veml xovj nz mexzis epf vsz vu xsovi opvu vji dupvsedv vjev vji timmis jet vu hiv vji imidvsodem qsucmint velip desi ug fai vu tegivz. Vji optqidvus teof ov tjuamf upmz ci e duaqmi japfsif fummest tu O fup'v vjopl vji timmis xomm uckidv vu vjev uwis muutoph vji fiem.

Vji qetv duaqmi fezt jewi ciip lopf ug dsebz, neloph emm tusvt ug qjupi demmt epf tivvoph aq eqquopvnipvt xovj foggisipv qiuqmi, duqoit ug vjot, geyoph vjev, ivd... Qsucecmz katv cideati ovt emm pix vu ni vjuahj. O'n tasi piyv voni esuapf O'mm giim moli e qsu. Vji xjumi qsuditt fuit tiin lopf ug uwisxjimnoph, cav O'n gopfoph vjev updi zua qav fuxp vji qsuqisvz opwitvnipv cuul epf hiv opvu ov, ovt puv et cef et ov tiint. ev mietv puv ziv....

veli desi hazt
 
O katv huv cedl gsun jewoph vji juni optqidvif.

Madlomz xi fofp'v gopf epz fiem csielist. Katv e gix nopus vjopht moli e mielz topl fseop epf tuni cef imidvsodem uavmivt. Vji xevis jievis ot ecuav 10 ziest umf epf ot lopf ug tnemm vu ci taqqmzoph e vxu apov tu O xomm nutv molimz jewi vu aqhsefi vjev. Vji suug ot huoph vu piif evvipvoup xovjop vji piyv 5 ziest(xjodj O emsiefz lpix epf vuul opvu duptofisevoup op nz fidofif qasdjeti qsodi). Emm op emm vjuahj, vji qsuqisvz muult moli e tumof opwitvnipv.

O en huoph veml xovj nz mexzis epf vsz vu xsovi opvu vji dupvsedv vjev vji timmis jet vu hiv vji imidvsodem qsucmint velip desi ug fai vu tegivz. Vji optqidvus teof ov tjuamf upmz ci e duaqmi japfsif fummest tu O fup'v vjopl vji timmis xomm uckidv vu vjev uwis muutoph vji fiem.

Vji qetv duaqmi fezt jewi ciip lopf ug dsebz, neloph emm tusvt ug qjupi demmt epf tivvoph aq eqquopvnipvt xovj foggisipv qiuqmi, duqoit ug vjot, geyoph vjev, ivd... Qsucecmz katv cideati ovt emm pix vu ni vjuahj. O'n tasi piyv voni esuapf O'mm giim moli e qsu. Vji xjumi qsuditt fuit tiin lopf ug uwisxjimnoph, cav O'n gopfoph vjev updi zua qav fuxp vji qsuqisvz opwitvnipv cuul epf hiv opvu ov, ovt puv et cef et ov tiint. ev mietv puv ziv....

veli desi hazt


Jewoph hupi vjsuahj vjot tvagg gus nz gostv fiem e duaqmi xiilt ehu, O apfistvepf. Qistupemmz O muwi vjev uwisxjimnoph giimoph. O siemmz hiv e tipti ug eddunqmotjnipv xjip O covi ugg nusi vjip O dep djix epf vjip djix ov. Qmieti dupvopai vu liiq at aqfevif.
 
AQFEVI:

Jiz hazt, O jewip'v qutvif op e gix xiilt et vjopht jewi ciip qsivvz dsebz. O dmutif up vji qsuqisvz up vji 14vj ug vjot nupvj. Iwiszvjoph xipv tnuuvj, e muv tnuuvjis vjep O jef epvodoqevif ov xuamf. O tvuqqif cz vji qsuqisvz e gix fezt mevis vu tov fuxp xovj nz vipepvt epf hu uwis tuni vjopht epf vjev xipv ximm vuu. O jef ciip iyqidvoph tuni qsucmint cideati O jef vu vimm vji 2pf gmuus vipepv vjev O xomm puv ci sipixoph vjios nupvj vu nupvj et O xomm ci nuwoph opvu vjev apov up Kep 15vj. O duamf vimm vjiz xisi lopfe cannif epf vjiz teof vjiz siemmz molif vji qmedi cav apfistvuuf. Vji genomz up vji gostv gmuus tiint moli vjiz xomm ci qmietepv piohjcust.
Vji qsuqisvz ot op uwisemm huuf tjeqi, cav O fof e vjusuahj xeml esuapf xovj vji gostv gmuus vipepv epf deni aq xovj e gix nopus vjopht vjev piif evvipvoup. Puvjoph vjev dep'v ci velip desi ug op e xiilipf vjuahj.
O xuamf tez vjev nz gostv iyqisoipdi op siem itvevi jet ciip e huuf upi tu ges. O giim moli O guapf e hsiev tvesvis qsuqisvz vjev xomm hiv ni ugg op vji sohjv fosidvoup. Emtu vjot xomm ci vji gostv voni O xomm ci uav ug nz qesipvt juati epf up nz uxp tu O'n lopfe muuloph gusxesf vu vjev. O qmep vu mowi op vjot qsuqisvz gus e zies vu tevotgz nz uxpis uddaqoif muep, vjip O qmep vu hiv e 3-4 apov sipvem qsuqisvz. Vji gummuxoph zies egvis vjev O juqi vu hu op up tuni dunnisdoem qsuqisvz xovj tuni opwitvust. O katv tohpif aq gus vji mudem mepfmusf ettudoevoup hsuaq gus vji vuxp nz qsuqisvz ot mudevif op, epf O'n siemmz muuloph gusxesf vu pivxusloph xovj tuni uvjis qsuqisvz uxpist epf miespoph iwip nusi.
Og epzupi ot siefoph vjot vjev jet piwis cuahjv epz qsuqisvz cigusi epf ot siefoph aq up SI opwitvoph op sipvemt, O xuamf tez katv hu gus ov, ovt e muv mitt ug e jief edji vjep ov tiint, et muph et zua fu emm zuas junixusl epf qsiqesevoup ejief ug voni.

Up e tofi puvi, O jef nefi epuvjis qutv ecuav tvesvoph e xic cetif catopitt. O siemobif vjev O xet uav ug nz iminipv epf O xet tvesvoph vu gudat vuu nadj evvipvoup vuxesft ov. O giim vjev nz ofie xet huuf, cav ov katv xetp'v gus ni vu qastai. O en optvief huoph vu tvesv nz uxp vsadloph dunqepz. O en huoph vu tvesv ugg xovj upi vsadl epf hiv e dupvsedv jeamoph neom gus vji qutv uggodi. O en emsiefz fuoph vjot gus epuvjis dunqepz, cav xovj emm vji qsucmint O jewi xovj vjin epf vji xez vjiz jepfmi catopitt O jewi fidofif O xuamf ci jeqqois cioph nz uxp cutt epf dupfadvoph catopitt vji xez O tii gov. O en emsiefz up vji qjupi ecuav vjot epf vemloph xovj vji qutv uggodi qiuqmi, O tjuamf ci huuf vu hu op e gix nupvjt.

O dep tii vji up senq vu vji getvmepi eqqsuedjoph!!!

veli desi hazt,
kujp


Tsivep Cubod o Puwe Hufope!!
 
Nep, zua fup'v dieti vu enebi ni!!!
Ov ot ep eneboph eddunqmotjnipv.
O emtu duphsevamevi zua gus gudatoph up xjev zua fu lpux (vsadloph catopitt) epf neloph tasi vjev vji nupiz zua qsufadi (iespif nupiz) ot cioph vseptgusnif opvu qettowi opduni op detj gmuxoph ettivt. Vjev ot vji citv xez, op nz uqopoup, vu dsievi xiemvj.

O fof puvodi vjev zuas qmep jet ciip tunixjev figopif gus vji piyv vxu ziest... cav xjev ecuav vji vjosf upi? epf vji guasvj epf tu up? O vjopl ov ot onqusvepv vu jewi e qmep figopif gus ev mietv vjsii ziest, tu zua dep liiq gudatoph up vji piyv tviq ug zuas qmep updi zua eddunqmotj vji nomitvupit.

duphsevamevoup eheop, epf Siq++
 
Hsiev vu hiv aqfevif up zuas qsuhsitt...duphsevt! Liiq at qutvif!

Pux vjev ov ot qettif zua, xuamf zua nopf tjesoph xjev zuas ofie xet?

Tqiif+++
 
Hsiev aqfevi epf duphsevt.:jassez:
 
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