Ongoing Terrorist Attack on Canadian Parliament

[DeletedUser394]

There is no solution. The situation is too complex with too many variables.

Bombing them doesn't solve the problem, and education won't either unless we're talking another couple thousand years from now.

This ending scene pretty much sums it up.

How did I feel after 9/11 ? I wanted all of those bastards dead (still do). How did they feel towards us when NATO started bombing them? They want all of us dead (and still do as well).

Sad to say, but human nature is such that there will never be peace.

Humans are just irrational idiots frankly.

These conflicts, wars, attacks are all stupid and pointless.

What did today's attack solve? Nothing. A mother and father no longer have a son. All he was doing was his job. More wackos are going to be inspired by this, and more pro westerners are going to want them dead just as much as before.

If a person wants to do harm to me, my family, or my country.. I don't want to educate them, nor seek a peaceful resolution. I want to introduce a bullet to their frontal lobe. And they think the same way.

Nothing will ever change. In the entirety of human history nothing has changed.

 

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[Yasai]

How did I feel after 9/11 ? I wanted all of those bastards dead (still do). How did they feel towards us when NATO started bombing them? They want all of us dead (and still do as well).

Sad to say, but human nature is such that there will never be peace.

Humans are just irrational idiots frankly.

These conflicts, wars, attacks are all stupid and pointless.

What did today's attack solve? Nothing. A mother and father no longer have a son. All he was doing was his job. More wackos are going to be inspired by this, and more pro westerners are going to want them dead just as much as before.

Agreed.
One conflict ends, another one starts. Rinse, Repeat.

This is why decided to completely stay out of this.
Life's too short to spend it trying to fight some ideals that are not your own. Or fighting wars for politicians that have decided not to be friends anymore.

Trying to enjoy life as much as possible, trying to make a living, trying to spoil those I love with nice stuff and sharing joy is far more fulfilling to me.

 

[DeletedUser394]

If the thread needs to be closed, let this be the last pic.

 

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[Ninjakid]

I'd say education is the key to getting this to end.

I'm pretty sure what @Mike Kavanagh meant was that you can't just nuke them because they're over in Iraq, and blowing them up will get rid of them.

They want you to think they're in one geographic location, so you don't know where to take the fight. Many people even think they're all brown-skinned, breaded, headdress wearing fundamentalists. The fact is, many of them, the same ones saying the want to attack Canada, were born right in this country, look just like you or I, were educated in the same schools as you or I, and carry Canadian passports. Let that sink in for a moment.

 

[DeletedUser394]

All these incidents do is strengthen the bond between a common people.

Here we have random bystanders who dropped everything and went to try and save the soldier as the entire chaotic event was unfolding around them.



As for the perps in both instances, they were both Caucasian, domestic terrorist 'converts'. Their 'ideology' should go without having to be said.

 

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[DeletedUser394]

If this turns out to be a terrorist attack with more than one shooter involved (which now seems very likely) , what do you guys think will happen during the next weeks?

I don't have an answer for that, however this is actually the second such terrorist attack in Canada in 3 days. The first one occurred when another convert radical ran over two soldiers with his car and killed one of them.

He was later shot and killed. It didn't get as much attention. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/why-did-a-25-year-old-quebec-man-commit-an-act-of-terror-1.2064762

 

[playa77]

All these incidents do is strengthen the bond between a common people.

Here we have random bystanders who dropped everything and went to try and save the soldier as the entire chaotic event was unfolding around them.

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As for the perps in both instances, they were both Caucasian, domestic terrorist 'converts'. Their 'ideology' should go without having to be said.

Sometimes a picture can say more than a thousand words. This one, i suspect, will be on a lot of front pages, come tomorrow. Big kudos to those people giving first aid.

 

[Shdreams]

A lot of my friends who have been there told me you have a great country

Thank you for the compliment! I hear that alot from people. I'm proud to be Canadian. were to polite. alot of us still use EH! in the stereotypical sense. Beautiful healthy land. But If I have it my way I'll be spending the winters somewhere with sunshine and beaches haha! Screw -40!!

 

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[MorgothBauglir]

Can I do anything about it? No?
END.

Get back to reality & work on my stuff/business.

Actually the best post in this thread.

 

[Mike Kavanagh]

Wars aren't won with nukes and ammunition anymore.
A nuke will end a conflict with a nation. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
It'll start a lot more bad than good.

You cannot fight an idea with bullets. You cannot fight widespread ideas with nukes.
For every terrorist you shoot, 2 more join in honor of their friend or family.
The Army wouldn't have a PsyOps division if this wasn't the case. I know, I almost joined.

Tell me, if you were born into a society that tells you this is right and you are illiterate, would you question it?
More than likely, no.
Religion plays a big part into this. They have been raised and told that this is God's will. Majority of them can't even read their Holy Book.

Nuking them isn't an option. Too many innocent people who've never hurt anyone. I for one, couldn't get any sleep knowing that my country killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of people to get a few hundred or a couple thousand.


I use to be for making glass out of sand. Winning wars over ideologies is harder then pulling a trigger as I stated before.

The saying holds true to this day, the pen is mightier than the sword.

 

[xmartel]

Any number of reasons. Canada joined the coalition against ISIS, and ISIS told their sheeple followers to attack people in Canada, particularly mentioning the use of cars (harder to acquire a gun here than in the usa). So a couple of days later some lunatic did just that.

At least one of the attackers had a double barreled shot gun. Obviously less effective than a semi automatic or anything like that. They are illegal here.

Semi-auto's aren't illegal here. I personally own 2, they're non-restricted. Don't need to register them.

2 attacks in 3 days. More is sure to come. These guys were 2 of 70 that are in the country and on a specific high profile terror watch list. I'm hoping they get rid of the other 68, but because they may not have done anything illegal yet, PC will dictate we leave them alone till they do attack.

Hopefully this just wakes up all the sheep that live in this country to the reality we live in now. There's bigger issues at play than what kardashian ate for breakfast.

I used to be against concealed carry, until I started actually studying the facts around it. Then I became all for it. Now it's just another example of why the law abiding of this country should be able to defend their lives. A carry permit exists in Canada, but only between 5-20 people actually have one in the entire country. It's nearly impossible to get under the current rules.

 

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[arcola]

Its a tragedy. We in the US experienced much worse, and we learned the hard way that military solutions, just make the problem worse.

You can thank the opinion you have, RichKid, for ISIS. Without it, we never would have removed saddem and created the soil.

Beating ISIS is not a military endeavor - look at how such groups are defeated in history. You go after the money.

 

[Jake]

The more problems they have, the more they will be unable to get new recruits

Have any proof to back up that claim?

Full Definition of MARTYRDOM
1
: the suffering of death on account of adherence to a cause and especially to one's religious faith

The problem when fighting people who don't care about dying is that when they lose their friends and family members they are even more willing to sacrifice their own life.

I'm by far an expert on the matter but what I do know is that when a high value target got struck or a drone strike went wrong and took out civilians and kids..we felt it. Burn a Koran, they're going to set off a SVBIED at the gates or send a rocket in that takes out a bus stop full of 18-20 yo's.

So..obviously I believe that ISIS needs to be stopped but to continue to fight symptoms instead of the root cause of the matter is pretty ridiculous.

 

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[Writer]

There's always time to do it over, correctly.

In general? yes. This specific issue (ISIS), no.
I am the first and foremost supporter of education and cultural growth. But I ain't going to give a lecture on macroeconomics to stop a burglar.

 

[Mike Kavanagh]

There's no time for that, that's the problem.

So the only thing there is time for is to kill millions of people and possibly spark World War 3 in the process?
Sad that you think that.
Trying to bankrupt them is also a losing strategy. You'd have to drain all of the oil out of the dessert.

My strategy for Winning

1. Pull all friendly troops out
2. Let everything fall into chaos
3. Create people in the country to spread dissent against ISIS
4. Offer to pay to bring children to the US/UK to get a great education. Parents will not be allowed to come. (Stealing old school Mulism strategy here) It's pretty easy to change the minds of children. Especially when the parents aren't around and they are around children their age.
   
5. Spread anti-isis propaganda, have public icons talk out against the terror of isis.
6. Take out key targets, something DF and SF people are good at. Doesn't have to be killings, snatch and grabs work better, no dead bodies.
7. False flag operations as Isis

This is all a precision operation. No innocents die. We don't raise gas prices in the process.
People can't become martyr'd if they aren't in the line of fire. People wont fear the US as much as they fear ISIS.

You have to think from the other side.
If a country was raining bombs down, killing people you know, killing your children, etc... Wouldn't you take up arms?
Don't lie.

I know for damn sure, I'd try kill at least 100 before they'd kill me. I don't even need the promise of women or glory to do it.

 

[Ninjakid]

Education is not going to school and learning mathematics. It is learning why their ideology and religion (and most religions, yes PLEASE get offended) are utterly stupid, counter productive and illogical. Reshape what is considered valuable, and shun their values of today. 'Give the taste of the better life. Hey this is a TV. Hey this is freedom of marriage. Hey this is freedom of choice... Smells good, don't it?' I'd go into a lot more detail but I have to go to class, so I'll sum up quickly.

I mean, we've done this in 'the west' with religion and LGBT rights ever since Rock Music came around, and that wasn't even a concentrated effort, we are killing religion and stupidity, and although the war is NOT won over here, we ARE winning. How many hardcore religious 20 year olds you know?

@RichKid Let me preface this that I want to be extremely careful about what I say to you. You have a pain in this that I do not, just as the deceased family of that officer does, because it is a tragedy. It WILL take generations upon generations to change things, but it's not like 'WE' (The West) haven't gone and stirred this pot (that is ABSOLUTELY NOT AN EXCUSE FOR THESE ACTIONS, NOT ONE BIT.)

They see Martyrdom. Most of them probably just see revenge. Revenge for:

- All the people killed, sorry, casualities sustained during the peace missions in Iraq and Afghanistan
- Innocent Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and worldwide blacksite detainees (I know Canada didn't build them. But we call them 'Muslims' and they call us 'The West' they don't differentiate, plus CN had involvement in these conflicts)
- Pussy-footed interference in politics (we'll kill everything then we'll install a moron puppet government and let them ruin your country, because it's in our interests.)

Do I believe we can do this with charity workers? Nope. The fighters and enforcers need to be killed, and a US government ex-spook I know actually told me that they are doing a very good job of destroying their own support in those countries. Destroy that which is beyond saving (and that isn't always done with head on war-fare, these groups are not as tight and organized as you'd think. Sowing discord.) and re-educate the rest as much as possible, so that pockets of kids don't grow up with 'the west' as a dartboard.

This is not even remotely in the detail I should have written it in, I have to go.

This is actually very true. These guys that we're fighting now, these are the same guy we've given money, weapons, and training to. We've been in the middle east and took sides long enough to make some enemies, now it's come back to bite us.
We in the west usually see the Iraq War as removing a bad guy who was oppressing his people. To the people in Iraq, they see it as the Western world coming in by force, and removing their Sunni leader(Hussein) and regime, and installing a Shia(the guy who's currently the pres I can't remember his name) in his place. Now Saddam was a sick,evil murderer, and I feel no sympathy for what happened to him, but at least there was order in Iraq then. Now that a Shia face is in power, and another Sunni force (ISIS) is going to take it back.

The problem is that you're going too philosophical. Ideas will never be stopped. There is no way to get rid of an idea, which is man's greatest freedom and man's biggest curse. And yes, ideas often outlive the person.
Here the problem is different, and it's very short termed. ISIS is becoming more powerful by the day. They have MIGs now, they have tons of weaponry. They have money and power. They are also getting recruits in the western world. ISIS has to be stopped as soon as possible, and with whatever force is necessary. I am not talking about convincing a million guys that their religion is wrong (yes, good luck with that). I am talking about preventing a very dangerous escalation that is happening in front of our eyes. They need to be severely weakened, their weapons have to be decimated, and so their cash flow. The more problems they have, the more they will be unable to get new recruits, new weapons, and you can be sure that if things gets bad enough, internal feuds will start.
This is why arming groups and bombing them like they are doing now is not enough. Yes, you get rid of pockets, but it does not cripple them, not even psychologically. ISIS is not Al Qaeda; it's a whole different level here.

We should be arming NO ONE ELSE. This is partially why we have this whole mess now. Essentially we're still fighting the same enemy: Islamic extremists. Al-Qaeda just wanted to blow a bunch of things up and make noise. ISIS wants to establish a caliphate, and they're closer to doing that than anyone else.
And now as for us in Canada, many people think that "we can just leave them alone and they'll leave us alone." Of course they never care because we aren't fighting them on our doorstep. They killed two of our soldiers on OUR OWN SOIL. We're damn well fighting them on our doorstep now

 

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[Writer]

I lost family in 9/11

First of all, I am truly sorry for your loss. Although anonymous to me, they will be in my heart and in my prayers...
I might disagree with your solutions, but your calmness is truly admirable and an example for me.

Look I'm trying to change your mind, killing millions of people, including the innocent and the guilty, is wrong.

I am not advocating killing millions of innocent people. I am advocating a full-force reaction where pockets of resistance are. Now they are not many, pretty soon they will be a huge federation of nations and that has to be stopped before its seeds becomes a full grown oak. I agree that education would be the best thing, but now it's a matter of basic survival.
What a mess...

 

[DeletedUser394]

Regardless, if anything this incident should serve as an example that strict gun laws will not prevent gun violence.

Of course not, but as with ebola, and everything else, we have to keep things in perspective. To play devil's advocate, on a per capita basis, you are 5 times more likely to be murdered by a person wielding a firearm in the united states, which obviously has much more freedom with regards to firearms.

Last year, in Ottawa, where this took place, there were a grand total of 9 homicides. Only 2 of which were gun related. In a city of nearly 900,000 people.

Canada is one of the safest places on earth. Because one lunatic goes off on a rampage every couple of years with a gun should not bring about any change whatsoever. I live in a city of over a million, and I can walk alone at 3am in the shady areas of the city without encountering any issues whatsoever.. in fact, there aren't even any bad areas around here. We don't have ghettos.

Canada is not the USA, and the two can't be compared with issues such as this.

I'm proud of what my country represents, and I damn well hope it stays that way.

Anyway, there are no politics on this forum.

 

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[Ninjakid]

I hope this incident will not lead to diffusion and curtailment of freedom of the average Canadian for the sake of (an illusion of) more security.

Too late.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Anti-Terrorism_Act

It's basically the exact same thing as the Patriot Act in USA.

 

[Ninjakid]

We don't have ghettos.

Yes we do. Most native reserves.

 

[playa77]

Too late.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Anti-Terrorism_Act

It's basically the exact same thing as the Patriot Act in USA.

TIL

 

[DeletedUser394]

This should be closed. I think we all agree that this stuff is terrible.

You were right. Here's some internet cred for the foresight.

 

[SBS.95]

Who in this thread attempted to tell Americans how to live then? How is it relevant to even bring up if nobody suggested anything to begin with.

At no point in this thread did anyone say anything with regards to how the USA should operate with respect to firearms.

If you're referring to topherea it's fairly obvious which side of the aisle he sits on (from previous posts, or even posts in this thread), and even then he wasn't saying anything about how Americans should or shouldn't live.

Mind you, there's one or two people in this thread that I have blocked, so maybe I'm not seeing the relevant posts.

That's the one. Like I said, I wasn't sure what his stance was being as his post sounded like an oxymoron to me.

I'll delete the post if it's bothering you. Part of my family is Canadian, I'm not trying to take jabs at the country. If you're looking for insults, I would recommend checking smarty's post on the 1st page of this thread. Though if he's one of the blocked people, disregard this advice.

I'm also on board for closing the thread, it's strayed away from it's purpose.

 

[DeletedUser394]

It's all good.

I respect you, so there's no point taking this further. Misunderstandings.

I would recommend checking smarty's post on the 1st page of this thread. Though if he's one of the blocked people, disregard this advice.

 

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[theag]

When the Islamic State rolled into Iraq, Iraqi soldiers threw down their guns, and ran away.

Threw down their guns and ran away!

"These lunatics are coming here to slaughter our men, rape and torture our women and children; we'd better save ourselves while we can."
And thus, this is apparently the situation.

Should look like this IMO:

 

[theag]

Kevin Vickers, what a badass

 

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[Shdreams]

Kevin Vickers, what a hero

Great Share man! I'm loving that vickers unloaded a full clip. I can't hold it in. The war memorial is a beautiful site rite now. People still seem on edge and vigilant. I know I am.

 

[Shdreams]

Look up the OODA loop

I'll check that out for sure. It boggles my mind that Canadian born citizens are joining ISIS. If you feel neglected in this country. your doing it to yourself. I watched an Interview with a guy who claimed he was interviewed by csis and made it to whatever sand dune it was. Calling for attacks on all citizens in many countries. Man I want to make this guy my new hood ornament. Your Canadian you retard! lay off the crack pipe! U.S and Canada is going to get ya. Accept your fate!

 

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[DeletedUser394]

This is quite disturbing. Reports that there are/were as many as 3 attackers.

They shot 1 uniformed soldier guarding a war memorial, and then invaded the Parliament Building itself.

There are now 3 confirmed shootings that occured in different sections of the area.

Police already killed one of them. If there's more, I hope they kill them all.

Videos are a bit disturbing, so caution there.

 

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[DeletedUser394]

This is the second such event in a couple of days. A few days ago some lunatic convert ran down two soldiers with his car, killing one of them.

Thankfully, the police disposed of the attacker.