Ongoing Terrorist Attack on Canadian Parliament

[Mike Kavanagh]

What the hell is going on up there man?
All of this has been going on and not one person mentions it around here.

Why Canada?

 

[DeletedUser394]

2 suspects have been shot, 1 dead.

This guy shot one of them.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/103...-at-arms-shoots-a-shooting-suspect-in-ottawa/

 

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[DeletedUser394]

What the hell is going on up there man?
All of this has been going on and not one person mentions it around here.

Why Canada?

Any number of reasons. Canada joined the coalition against ISIS, and ISIS told their sheeple followers to attack people in Canada, particularly mentioning the use of cars (harder to acquire a gun here than in the usa). So a couple of days later some lunatic did just that.

At least one of the attackers had a double barreled shot gun. Obviously less effective than a semi automatic or anything like that. They are illegal here.

 

[DeletedUser394]

The soldier that was shot has been confirmed to have died. He was just an unarmed reservist manning a ceremonial post guarding a peace memorial. :'(

A security guard has now also been shot.

That makes 2 dead soldiers this week.

One suspect still on the loose apparently.

F*ck these people man. Hope they rot in hell.

 

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[DayIFly]

This should be closed. I think we all agree that this stuff is terrible.

But suppose an Iraqi immigrant reads here whose relatives still live there and he reads here that his entire nation should be nuked...

We tried to solve aggression with aggression for hundreds of years. I think the approach failed.

 

[psaco131]

Its a sad situation indeed. I used to read the news about this war everyday but it just depressed me. Its been happening for thousands of years and will continue to happen. The weird thing about it is Turkey can obliterate these guys, Baghdad also has a large enough army to take them out, but it seems there is a bigger plan behind all of this.


I have gained a lot of respect for the Kurds for battling ISIS in a war they didn't even start.

 

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[playa77]

I'm pretty sure what @Mike Kavanagh meant was that you can't just nuke them because they're over in Iraq, and blowing them up will get rid of them.

They want you to think they're in one geographic location, so you don't know where to take the fight. Many people even think they're all brown-skinned, breaded, headdress wearing fundamentalists. The fact is, many of them, the same ones saying the want to attack Canada, were born right in this country, look just like you or I, were educated in the same schools as you or I, and carry Canadian passports. Let that sink in for a moment.

Yes, sadly. We have the same situation in Germany with the Salafists, an extremist muslim group. I've always said that if they want to live under sharia law, they of course are free to emigrate to Saudi Arabia. Yet, some of their most outspoken leaders are germans by birth and heritage. Hard to take their passport away and sent them to another country...

But these same people are always the ones who have failed in our society, no matter their background. So i get what @Mike Kavanagh says, education is the long term solution, but how to get it to those children if their parents don't want it?

 

[Ninjakid]

C'mon guys try to keep the discussion contained to the incident. I know that's tough, but lets please try.

Yeah, we're kind of getting off topic here...

At this point actually, there's no proof that the shooting is tied to Islamic militants. No one has claimed responsibility for the attack.

The young soldier who was shot has just been identified as Cpl. Nathan Cirillo. He was part of the Reserve Forces and was guarding the memorial, and may have been unarmed. Unfortunately he didn't make it. May he rest in peace.

 

[DeletedUser394]

At this point actually, there's no proof that the shooting is tied to Islamic militants. No one has claimed responsibility for the attack.

Actually, it's been confirmed. They have identified the deceased shooter as a convert to islam who recently had his passport confiscated by the government as he was deemed a threat to travel and join the fight in the middle east.

ISIS even 'tweeted' to confirm it. Pathetic individuals.

 

[playa77]

Sorry MJ, a german can't resist talking about soccer. i'll stop there.

This is on a tangent, if you consider it off topic, please delete this post.

As a european who is not very familiar with the way politics work in Canada i wonder:
If this turns out to be a terrorist attack with more than one shooter involved (which now seems very likely) , what do you guys think will happen during the next weeks?

Will Canada in the very near future introduce Australian style Anti-Terrorism legislation or something like the Patriot Act?

 

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[Ninjakid]

Actually, it's been confirmed. They have identified the deceased shooter as a convert to islam who recently had his passport confiscated by the government as he was deemed a threat to travel and join the fight in the middle east.

ISIS even 'tweeted' to confirm it. Pathetic individuals.

They must have confirmed it just recently then.

 

[DeletedUser394]

They must have confirmed it just recently then.

3 hours ago

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada...rper-says-after-shootings-in-ottawa-1.2065443

'CTV News has confirmed that the suspect in Wednesday’s attack is (f**** that guy). This is a reported photo of the suspect from an ISIS Twitter account which has been suspended.'

I added the words in parentheses.

 

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[Formless]

You're crazy if you think that anything other than long, long term education (not the clusterfuck we have now) actually SOLVES this for good, if such a thing is even possible.

 

[Ninjakid]

Wow I guess the bastards really want a war then.

You're crazy if you think that anything other than long, long term education (not the clusterfuck we have now) actually SOLVES this for good, if such a thing is even possible.

Actually I'm pretty sure education is not the answer. Call me crazy.

 

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[Ninjakid]

You're crazy if you think that anything other than long, long term education (not the clusterfuck we have now) actually SOLVES this for good, if such a thing is even possible.

On second thought, education could mean many different things. Could you clarify please?

 

[DeletedUser394]

You're crazy if you think that anything other than long, long term education (not the clusterfuck we have now) actually SOLVES this for good, if such a thing is even possible.

Perhaps, but how can anyone justify helping people that are actively plotting, trying to kill you, and destroy everything you believe in? Not to mention what right does the West have to tell these people how to live their lives? I love helping people, and actively donate to many organizations.. however I have no desire to help any of these people that have this ideology.

It's a fascinating and infuriating situation to be in.

Many of these places and people are just too far gone. I'd suspect it would take generations upon generations for anything to change.

Educating women would be a start, but when these savages are killing people for simply going to school (Pakistan, Nigeria, etc), it's almost not worth the effort.

ps: if anyone knows any organizations that you think are working towards a solution, let me know so I can donate.

 

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[Damedius]

These incidents tend to bring out the worst in really good people.

Some people that have made great threads on these forums, lose all perspective and lump everyone who believe in x religion or lives in x country is a bad person.

These are total logical and rational people who suddenly have a total brain fart and think because one person from x country did something, all people from that country are evil and need to be eliminated. Think about how illogical and childish this is for a second.

It seems that intelligent people are still very easily manipulated.

 

[Shdreams]

Downtown core is still on lock down. There Not mentioning the second guy at all anymore. The Shooter was apparently born and raised in Canada. But was apart of some online icis or Isys group. I don't know how it's spelt. Either way sounds like the guy was a wanna be. Only time will tell if it was an isolated incident or not.

 

[smarty]

That is a damn ignorant attitude to have. What if one of these soldiers had been your friend/family? We should all just not give a shit?

Just because you can't change the past doesn't mean you need to act apathetic towards innocent people who were just slaughtered. If you are that selfish I highly doubt your ability to help other people with your "business".

And FYI, this is reality. I don't know what you think it is.

Never before have I thought lower of someone on this forum. I think you are an incredibly disrespectful person.

This is only your own interpretation of what I said - which by the way is entirely wrong.
No one will do or say anything which is not a direct reflection of what they think or feel about themselves in that moment.

What if? What if I had died today? What if will die tomorrow? What if your comment is just an emotional reaction and doesn't make sense?

What I meant is that it's very easy to dwell on everything bad that's going on around us but does it really matter?
I read the news and of course it's a shame for what happened but you could dwell on that all day long scanning every news outlet out there, or focus on what currently matters more.

And I certainly am not going to spend any more time replying to your next emotional butt hurt reaction here. Good luck with that.

 

[DeletedUser394]

I'm proud to be Canadian.

I'm wearing every single item with a Maple Leaf or the word Canada on it tomorrow.

Also got my mini flag.

One of the greatest countries on earth, and that'll never change!

 

[Guest3722A]

You go after the money

and have you noticed how expensive things got in the us over the last 6 years?

 

[Guest3722A]

I'm also from Ottawa.

My wife and a buddy work a 2 minute walk from where this all went down. Their buildings (and many others) went into "lockdown" mode where they lock the doors and nobody gets in or out. Some schools in Ottawa were locked down as well. It was all over the news, stories of up to 5 gunmen, police begging people to stop reporting their locations on social media, downtown was crawling with cops, cell phones weren't working from too much call volume... it was an eventful day to be sure.

To add a dash of city-wide fear into the equation many parts of our city even lost power because of some fluke coincidence. Really bad timing during a terrorist attack for sure...

All things considered this could have been a lot, lot worse. Glad there was as few casualties as there were and its tragic that there had to be any.

Lots of data about infrastructure and weaknesses as well as response.

 

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[Guest3722A]

Semi-auto's aren't illegal here. I personally own 2, they're non-restricted. Don't need to register them.

2 attacks in 3 days. More is sure to come. These guys were 2 of 70 that are in the country and on a specific high profile terror watch list. I'm hoping they get rid of the other 68, but because they may not have done anything illegal yet, PC will dictate we leave them alone till they do attack.

Hopefully this just wakes up all the sheep that live in this country to the reality we live in now. There's bigger issues at play than what kardashian ate for breakfast.

I used to be against concealed carry, until I started actually studying the facts around it. Then I became all for it. Now it's just another example of why the law abiding of this country should be able to defend their lives. A carry permit exists in Canada, but only between 5-20 people actually have one in the entire country. It's nearly impossible to get under the current rules.

conversion to fully auto info is easily accessible all over the internet. Bad guys don't obey gun laws

 

[Writer]

You cannot fight an idea with bullets. You cannot fight widespread ideas with nukes.

The problem is that you're going too philosophical. Ideas will never be stopped. There is no way to get rid of an idea, which is man's greatest freedom and man's biggest curse. And yes, ideas often outlive the person.
Here the problem is different, and it's very short termed. ISIS is becoming more powerful by the day. They have MIGs now, they have tons of weaponry. They have money and power. They are also getting recruits in the western world. ISIS has to be stopped as soon as possible, and with whatever force is necessary. I am not talking about convincing a million guys that their religion is wrong (yes, good luck with that). I am talking about preventing a very dangerous escalation that is happening in front of our eyes. They need to be severely weakened, their weapons have to be decimated, and so their cash flow. The more problems they have, the more they will be unable to get new recruits, new weapons, and you can be sure that if things gets bad enough, internal feuds will start.
This is why arming groups and bombing them like they are doing now is not enough. Yes, you get rid of pockets, but it does not cripple them, not even psychologically. ISIS is not Al Qaeda; it's a whole different level here.

 

[Mike Kavanagh]

you get rid of pockets

Beating ISIS is not a military endeavor - look at how such groups are defeated in history. You go after the money.

Kinda hard to get rid of the pockets when they have backing of the richest people in the Middle East.
Not to mention the numerous amounts of arms dealers making a "killing" from this war.

I am not talking about convincing a million guys that their religion is wrong

I never said their religion is wrong, that's about as ignorant of a thing to say as it is to try to do. I said they are uneducated and can't even read their own holy book. They get told by their elders that this is the way when in reality, if they read their book, it doesn't promise anything to them for going to war and dying in it.


Unchecked this could get out of hand. Bombing isn't going to do anything. Another war isn't going to do anything.
Winning the hearts and minds of the civil populace is the only way to win besides education.

Shooting and bombing them only reminds them of what they already have. They would rather stay with the terror they know then the terror from the West.

There is no philosophy in war. There is only theory, action, and reaction.

 

[Writer]

Winning the hearts and minds of the civil populace is the only way to win besides education.

There's no time for that, that's the problem.

 

[Writer]

Have any proof to back up that claim?

: the suffering of death on account of adherence to a cause and especially to one's religious faith

The problem when fighting people who don't care about dying is that when they lose their friends and family members they are even more willing to sacrifice their own life.

Martyrs are limited. Not many people want to die, especially for a crippled entity.
History is the proof. Not many people are ready to die for ideals of Fra Dolcino, for the Nazi, Mussolini, Napoleon or many of the gazillion of movements/religions/ideals that appeared in human history. Once crippled, a small pocket resists while the rest flees.
Getting recruits is merely a matter of available resources.
Of course I am not talking about the occasional martyr that decides to blow up with fifty innocent people in the name of the Enuma Elish; I am talking about a full-fledged war.

 

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[jon.a]

There's no time for that, that's the problem.

There's always time to do it over, correctly.

 

[DeletedUser394]

Sad to see the front cover of my city paper displayed an equal sized photo of the shooter and the victim on the front page.

It should have only been about the victim, and the heroes from that day.

The media fuels these losers.

 

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[Mike Kavanagh]

Sad to see the front cover of my city paper displayed an equal sized photo of the shooter and the victim on the front page.

It should have only been about the victim, and the heroes from that day.

The media fuels these losers.

This is 100% true. They do it for sales sadly.
It isn't right.