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OFF-TOPIC Will we see an actual war with China?

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Trevor Kuntz

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Well, I'm a f*cking Marine so I get to have an opinion, right? :smuggy:
Sure, but you’re not special and I don’t know why you expect people to give your opinion extra weight simply because of your military service. Every member of this worldwide forum gets to have an opinion on a topic with clear global implications. No country would be unaffected by war between the two largest world powers. Unless you are currently serving AND employed at the point of confluence between military strategy and national foreign policy, your opinion is equally as valuable as those you consider to be in the peanut gallery.
 

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All rights come with their responsibilities. Not only free speech.



This is just your personal opinion. Seen many enough Americans do otherwise.

"Trust me" Yeah I did, like 100%.

I would drop all my life experience, my own judgments, personal opinions, my own righteousness, just because a dude half across the globe told me to "trust him". :D



1. Nobody criticizes America in this thread, there was just a German guy, who was commenting about a possible war with China.

2. 99% of Americans sit in the "peanut gallery" as well, so pretty much everyone except politicians and soldiers should shut the F*ck up as well, according to that logic.

Like I said, as much as you guys can talk freely about others, others can also talk about you. You guys have no hidden privileges or something.



I am not trying to discuss politics here (of which I also can state an opinion, but I prefer not to).

My point is about not quieting others.
So where are you living now? Germany? Come back and comment about freedom of speech and it's reponsabilities when the country you live in doesn't censor you.
 

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The geopolitics in this thread get wackier with each page. Fantastic.

We are now in an alternate reality in which Western Europe is a dystopia, the USA is about to go on a rampage against everyone because nuclear holocausts raise the GDP, and Putin gets himself wrecked by NATO to save his beloved China.

I would get excited about the upcoming alien invasion, but if COVID has taught us anything, it's that even that would end up being boring.
They're already here!
 

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They're already here!
It is a very complicated game.

U.S. hawks are the pentagon officials who are wary of the growing influence of China. But Trump and supporters are looking at China more from an Economics angle. There is so much Economic pain and wealth in equality..as long as jobs are back and lives gets better in the country who cares which country rules the world? On the surface there seems to be a consensus against China but it is not.

Joe Biden is modifying his positions to be more like Bernie Sanders..to neat Trump..seems like 1930s on a smaller scale “communism vs fascism”. The poor want wealth confiscation of the rich and the rich in their defense prop up a right Wing populist to blame foreigners and ethnic minority...

On a balance of probability the politics in U.S. is going to shift to the left..rather than right. The millennials are very liberal..they are less likely to See their problems due to Mexicans crossing the war or Chinese taking away factory line jobs..(They want to be Youtube influencers being “life coach” at age 25). The natural process of old voters aging and dying is something that will spell the end of right wing/protectionist populism.
The millennials will be more interested in taxing Jeff Bezos than giving China a tariff on iphone parts.

Tax Bezos to give me money buy cheap Iphones...or risk war with China for factory jobs in Detroit... easy choices for millenials
 

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Forget China vs USA, after reading the replies in this thread it seems the war is going to be Germany vs USA.
I hope they settle it with a soccer match, women's of course, or maybe the US women's team against the German men's team.
The US women's team kick butt.

Changed my mind, all women.
It is customary to exchange shirts at the end of the game.

Much better than an exchange of nuclear strikes.
 

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Hi all.

We are in the middle of a trade war. Does anybody think we will see an actual war with China?

Given the issues in the oil sector, I thought a war with Iran is likely. That might "solve" the problem of low prices.

But what about Brzezinski and the grand chessboard? How else could China be subdued economically?
As far as I know, think tanks have determined that a war with China must happen soon, before China gets too powerful.


War has historically been great for GDP growth. Presidents get reelected if they are in a war.

The USA is practising nuklear strikes.

The economic sactions that Trump considered recently sound pretty close to something that usually leads to military conflicts.

Has this been discussed here, already? I did a search, but mostly found this rant RANT - China is our #1 enemy and what to do about it which does not mention the war option, but shows a sentiment that politicians can tap into ... as well as tr[/QUO
Hi all.

We are in the middle of a trade war. Does anybody think we will see an actual war with China?

Given the issues in the oil sector, I thought a war with Iran is likely. That might "solve" the problem of low prices.

But what about Brzezinski and the grand chessboard? How else could China be subdued economically?
As far as I know, think tanks have determined that a war with China must happen soon, before China gets too powerful.


War has historically been great for GDP growth. Presidents get reelected if they are in a war.

The USA is practising nuklear strikes.

The economic sactions that Trump considered recently sound pretty close to something that usually leads to military conflicts.

Has this been discussed here, already? I did a search, but mostly found this rant RANT - China is our #1 enemy and what to do about it which does not mention the war option, but shows a sentiment that politicians can tap into ... as well as trade war related threads.
But Zbigniew Brzezinski also said the administration doesn’t really listen to them much and they are not influencing the decision makers, as much as what their critics want to believe.

If you believe that U.S. decision makers at the top are making some grand strategic plan..control the center of Eurasia..so that to dominate the world.
The problem is politicians..are hardly that long term oriented. And That contradicts what we know about them.

I have a simple explanation. Most American policies are knee jerk reactions. Saddam was kicked in the a$$ for Kuwait invasion In the 80s because the U.S. didn’t want to suffer high oil prices with the memory of Arab oil embargo.

The series of conflict after early 2000s after 911 was mainly influenced by Dick Cheney who served as a bridge between oil industry in U.S. They want to see higher oil prices.

It was hardly about some long term strategic planning...

Back to Trump its more about money Economics and trade then preventing Chinese leadership. Ya surely the pentagon and hawks are wary of China but their will is a hard sell the Trump and his supporters whose anti-China sentiments are dollar based. They want U.S. to make more money from foreigners in trade and they see China playing the game unfairly to their advantage. That’s all. How do I know that? Trump is hammering Europe, South Korea and Japan as well. Doesn’t sound like a good Move if you want to prevent a global Chinese leadership and advancement in geopolitics??

I think eventually a deal will be made..not as easy one but eventually I am optimistic In the long term. I think China will grant some access of US key industries into the China market-like opening up their financial market to U.S. companies to do business there...

But in the short term there will be argument. To China its always politics and stability as a higher priority than economics earnings...They are not afraid about U.S. companies making money in China..but conceding to Trump will inevitably affect how China is being ran..something the Chinese are less willing to change. For example U.S. complain that China state owned companies compete unfairly with private U.S. companies as they can afford to Dump and kill competitors...but if Chinese state cease to own their companies then are they still a socialist country?? Their state banks are protected not just from foreigner competition but also domestic competition..state bank is a vehicle to provide easy access money to state companies who serve social functions other than profit. That is what I believe the true difference lies..It is not easy to resolve but I am optimistic.. it is not like fighting for political domination like a zero sum game.
 

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