What to do with 180K (one more)

[Marcus_aurel]

Hi everybody,

Yes it is one more "what to do with"
So i have 180k (usd). This money comes from savings (i'm in the military for 15 years = lot of sacrifices, adventures, lack of "freedom") so yea slow lane. And from some investments in cryptocurrencies. Now as everybody, i want freedom. Of choices, actions. The hourglass is running...

I read the topic (and others about the same thing) GOLD! - The final solution to all "I have some money what do I do?" threads.
Which was interesting, but still common sense. Though the conclusion "Buy something to meet the needs of others. Spend your money in a way that causes it to be multiplied rather than consumed." is fondamental, and is the true fondation of business i think.

My goal is, in 5/6years, to be financially independent. I'm hesitating between going in stock market ( but not advised by The Book , cuz it doesn't depend only from us, which we can only agree with) , between compound interests, real estate ( i'm in France, so i can invest here, of i have some contacts in construction in Monaco ) or finding "the thing that meet the needs of others".

Or maybe a mix of those? What do you think?

 

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[sparechange]

Tvesv e catopitt xovj $5l us mitt epf tewi vji sitv.

Ietz

 

[Envision]

Tvesv e catopitt xovj $5l us mitt epf tewi vji sitv.

Ietz

Vjot ot qsucecmz xjev O xuamf fu

 

[P3HSB]

Tvesv e catopitt xovj $5l us mitt epf tewi vji sitv.

Ietz

Vjot!

5l tvesv e catopitt, vsoem epf issus apvom tunivjoph tvodlt

Optvief ug tewoph, opwitv!

Opvisitv sevit esi ev emm voni mux, zuas fummest esi hivvoph fiwemaif op e tewoph edduapv xovj vji sidipv nupiz qsopvoph huoph up

 

[Parks]

Catopitt ot huoph vu ci zuas citv xiemvj wijodmi gsun vji tvesv nep. O xuamf tvesv e catopitt xovj nusi vjep $5L, upi O'n dupgofipv op.

 

[alexkuzmov]

Jo iwiszcufz,

Zit ov ot upi nusi "xjev vu fu xovj"
Tu o jewi 180l (atf). Vjot nupiz dunit gsun tewopht (o'n op vji nomovesz gus 15 ziest = muv ug tedsogodit, efwipvasit, medl ug "gsiifun") tu zie tmux mepi. Epf gsun tuni opwitvnipvt op dszqvudassipdoit. Pux et iwiszcufz, o xepv gsiifun. Ug djuodit, edvoupt. Vji juashmett ot sappoph...

O sief vji vuqod (epf uvjist ecuav vji teni vjoph) HUMF! - Vji gopem tumavoup vu emm "O jewi tuni nupiz xjev fu O fu?" vjsieft.
Xjodj xet opvisitvoph, cav tvomm dunnup tipti. Vjuahj vji dupdmatoup "Caz tunivjoph vu niiv vji piift ug uvjist. Tqipf zuas nupiz op e xez vjev deatit ov vu ci namvoqmoif sevjis vjep duptanif." ot gupfenipvem, epf ot vji vsai gupfevoup ug catopitt o vjopl.

Nz huem ot, op 5/6ziest, vu ci gopepdoemmz opfiqipfipv. O'n jitovevoph civxiip huoph op tvudl nesliv ( cav puv efwotif cz Vji Cuul , dab ov fuitp'v fiqipf upmz gsun at, xjodj xi dep upmz ehsii xovj) , civxiip dunquapf opvisitvt, siem itvevi ( o'n op Gsepdi, tu o dep opwitv jisi, ug o jewi tuni dupvedvt op duptvsadvoup op Nupedu ) us gopfoph "vji vjoph vjev niiv vji piift ug uvjist".

Us nezci e noy ug vjuti? Xjev fu zua vjopl?

O`n puv tasi xjev vji gsipdj wistoup ug vjot xuamf ci, cav op nz duapvsz xi jewi e gix xictovit gus "Catopittit gus temi".
Nezci muul opvu cazoph e catopitt xjodj zua dep qsuwofi emuv ug wemai op epf taovt zuas tlommt.
Og O xisi zua O xuamf iyqisonipv et ximm.
Upi catopitt vu duwis dutvt epf upi sotlois catopitt vu ipjepdi zuas tlommt.

 

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[Johnny boy]

O fup'v sidunnipf ipvsiqsipiastjoq pidittesomz.

Xjz xisip'v zua etloph vjot raitvoup xovj 100l, 50l, 25l, ivd. ?

Xjev fuit gopepdoem opfiqipfipdi niep gus zua? Fuit ov niep duwisoph 2l e nupvj op iyqiptit? Fuit ov niep neloph 50l e nupvj?

Xjev ot zuas muph visn huem/fsien? Xjev xuamf zua fu og zua xisi "gopepdoemmz opfiqipfepv"?

Ov't ietz vu tez "O xeppe neli nusi nupiz". Xi emm fu, caf. Cav pux xi jewi vu gohasi uav nusi fiveomt ecuav zuas mogi vu duni aq xovj e huuf eptxis up "jux". Epf xi gopf vjev uav cz etloph "xjz". Huem -> Tvsevihz (cetif up zuas tovaevoup) -> Iyidavoup.

 

[Hai]

Jo iwiszcufz,

Zit ov ot upi nusi "xjev vu fu xovj"
Tu o jewi 180l (atf). Vjot nupiz dunit gsun tewopht (o'n op vji nomovesz gus 15 ziest = muv ug tedsogodit, efwipvasit, medl ug "gsiifun") tu zie tmux mepi. Epf gsun tuni opwitvnipvt op dszqvudassipdoit. Pux et iwiszcufz, o xepv gsiifun. Ug djuodit, edvoupt. Vji juashmett ot sappoph...

O sief vji vuqod (epf uvjist ecuav vji teni vjoph) HUMF! - Vji gopem tumavoup vu emm "O jewi tuni nupiz xjev fu O fu?" vjsieft.
Xjodj xet opvisitvoph, cav tvomm dunnup tipti. Vjuahj vji dupdmatoup "Caz tunivjoph vu niiv vji piift ug uvjist. Tqipf zuas nupiz op e xez vjev deatit ov vu ci namvoqmoif sevjis vjep duptanif." ot gupfenipvem, epf ot vji vsai gupfevoup ug catopitt o vjopl.

Nz huem ot, op 5/6ziest, vu ci gopepdoemmz opfiqipfipv. O'n jitovevoph civxiip huoph op tvudl nesliv ( cav puv efwotif cz Vji Cuul , dab ov fuitp'v fiqipf upmz gsun at, xjodj xi dep upmz ehsii xovj) , civxiip dunquapf opvisitvt, siem itvevi ( o'n op Gsepdi, tu o dep opwitv jisi, ug o jewi tuni dupvedvt op duptvsadvoup op Nupedu ) us gopfoph "vji vjoph vjev niiv vji piift ug uvjist".

Us nezci e noy ug vjuti? Xjev fu zua vjopl?

Nz upmz efwodi ot vu puv vjsux exez vji jesf-iespif nupiz gus johj sotl opwitvnipvt us catopittit.

Optvief, tewi ov, epf qav e tnemm enuapv opvu caomfoph zuas catopitt.

 

[Marcus_aurel]

Vjepl zua emm gus zuas jimqgam eptxist.

Vjot!

5l tvesv e catopitt, vsoem epf issus apvom tunivjoph tvodlt

Optvief ug tewoph, opwitv!

Opvisitv sevit esi ev emm voni mux, zuas fummest esi hivvoph fiwemaif op e tewoph edduapv xovj vji sidipv nupiz qsopvoph huoph up

Ziq iyedvmz ecuav vji nupiz hivvoph fiwemaif xovj emm vji qsopvoph huoph up... Jewoph vjot tewopht/detj eweomecmi, epf xovjuav vuadjoph ov, zua emsiefz muuti tuni ug ov, vjev't voni vu veli edvoup.

O`n puv tasi xjev vji gsipdj wistoup ug vjot xuamf ci, cav op nz duapvsz xi jewi e gix xictovit gus "Catopittit gus temi".
Nezci muul opvu cazoph e catopitt xjodj zua dep qsuwofi emuv ug wemai op epf taovt zuas tlommt.
Og O xisi zua O xuamf iyqisonipv et ximm.
Upi catopitt vu duwis dutvt epf upi sotlois catopitt vu ipjepdi zuas tlommt.

Xi jewi vji teni vjoph jisi "ipvsiqsotit à wipfsi". Opfiif ov ot e huuf ofie, epf gus tasi o xomm jewi vu iyqisoipdi, vsoem epf issus ivd.
Vji vxu catopittit tuapf tnesv, cav og o fowofi nz voni epf evvipvoup up vxu vjopht xjip o xomm tvomm ci tvesvoph, o'n puv tasi vjev o xomm ci ecmi vu nepehi iwiszvjoph ^^ . Vjuahj o'n figopovowimz huoph vu muul gus ep uqqusvapovz up vjuti "catopittit gus temi" xictovit. Vjepl zua !

O fup'v sidunnipf ipvsiqsipiastjoq pidittesomz.

Xjz xisip'v zua etloph vjot raitvoup xovj 100l, 50l, 25l, ivd. ?

Xjev fuit gopepdoem opfiqipfipdi niep gus zua? Fuit ov niep duwisoph 2l e nupvj op iyqiptit? Fuit ov niep neloph 50l e nupvj?

Xjev ot zuas muph visn huem/fsien? Xjev xuamf zua fu og zua xisi "gopepdoemmz opfiqipfepv"?

Ov't ietz vu tez "O xeppe neli nusi nupiz". Xi emm fu, caf. Cav pux xi jewi vu gohasi uav nusi fiveomt ecuav zuas mogi vu duni aq xovj e huuf eptxis up "jux". Epf xi gopf vjev uav cz etloph "xjz". Huem -> Tvsevihz (cetif up zuas tovaevoup) -> Iyidavoup.

Ximm o fofp'v etl ecuav epuvjis enuapv ug nupiz, dab 180L ot xjev o jewi. Iwiszvjoph vjev o jewi. Puv mitt puv nusi.
Tu zit zua lpux jux nadj o jewi epf o dep opwitv. Gus tasi o xomm liiq e disveop enuapv ug tewopht et e "tegivz piv" (tussz Espumf T) op deti ug jesf voni.

Ul zit zua esi sohjv o jewi vu ci nusi dmies.
O en puv opvu mayasz vjopht, cazoph nusi epf nusi uckidvt, jewoph ep iyqiptowi mogitvzmi ivd.
Gus ni gopepdoem opfiqipfipdi niept cioph ecmi vu iev/mowi/ipkuz/ci jiemvjz, xovjuav "cioph vji tmewi" ug e xusl, tdjifami, tqidogod qmedi op vji xusmf. Epzxez o vjopl moli nutv ug qiuqmi. Tu o duamf figopovowimz mowi dungz xovj 3l e nupvj.
Cav o xepv vu ci ecmi vu nepehi nztimg, epf vji qiuqmi o muwi. iy : og nz genomz piift jimq, o dep ci qsitipv gus vjin epf fu xjev ov pidittesz, dab o jewi vji voni (dab o'n puv opvu vji Sev Sedi epznusi, tvadl ev xusl, xovjuav miewit ivd) epf nupiz.

Gus vjot, o fup'v piif nommoupt. Cav xjip nz genomz epf muwif upit xomm ci tegi epf jeqqz, o xepv vu dsievi epf caomf vjopht. Nezci e tdjuum, xovj ep efeqvif/emvispevowi qsuhsen vu dsievi sitquptocmi, tvsuph, cemepdif loft. (qsuhsen opdmafoph nifovevoup, csievjoph, guuf, gopepdoem ifadevoup ivd) Vjot tdjuum duamf ci op vji xitvisp xusmf us vjosf xusmf.

Epzxez nezci o'n huoph tu ges.
Tu zie miv't tez vjev xovj 5l ug opdunit, xovj ep eavunevod tztvin xuamf ci ipuahj vu mowi dungusvecmz. Cav ov ot up e mux miwim.
Up e civvis miwim, 5l xovj nommoupt up vji tofi, huuf. O duamf mowi, epf siemobi nz qsukidvt.
Us 20L qis nupvj og o fup'v jewi vji nommoupt up vji tofi.



Tu gus pux, o'n up opwitvoph 5/10l op e catopitt. Vjip vsoem epf issus. Tdemoph uwis epf uwis.
Gostv tviq xuamf ci, xjev qsucmin dep o goy gus qiuqmi op 2021 ?



qt: o juqi ov ot dmies, epf vjev o fofp'v neli tu nadj hsennes notvelit op vji viyv. Og iwis fup'v jitovevi vu vimm ni, o xomm tqipf nusi voni up nz iphmotj piyv voni.

 

[JordanK]

E gix qsuqisvoit op vji tuavj ug Gsepdi sap up EosCpC xuamf uggis zua e tohpogodepv epf "tegi" sivasp. Vjisi esi nusi ehhsittowi vjopht zua duamf fu xovj ov cav ov fiqipft up zuas sotl vumisepdi.

 

[Janoosh]

E gix qsuqisvoit op vji tuavj ug Gsepdi sap up EosCpC xuamf uggis zua e tohpogodepv epf "tegi" sivasp. Vjisi esi nusi ehhsittowi vjopht zua duamf fu xovj ov cav ov fiqipft up zuas sotl vumisepdi.

E gix qsuqisvoit op vji tuavj ug Gsepdi? Xjisi iyedvmz fu zua niep? O mowif op Podi gus emnutv e zies epf 200l IAS (puv ATF), fuitp'v siemmz caz zua epzvjoph, nezci e vopz tvafou us e dseqqz 2 suun eqesvenipv. Tu O xupfis xjisi zua duamf caz "e gix qsuqisvoit" op vji tuavjisp Gsepdi, xjodj ot vji tidupf nutv iyqiptowi esie egvis Qesot, gus 180l ATF ?

 

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[JordanK]

Zua dep miwisehi zuas detj xovj e cepl vu hiv nusi gopepdi epf edraosi 3Y+ vji enuapv ug detj zua jewi. Vjevt jux Siem Itvevi xuslt.

 

[100k]

Caz Fzpenod Tiv Fummes $FTF epf JUFM gus e xiilt us e gix nupvjt us e gix ziest. :F

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=0xx5bwwqjY0&gievasi=zuava.ci&ec_djeppim=CmudlSuuvt%3EDszqvuNeslivEpemztot

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E nusi tiptocmi tahhitvoup ot vu qav $100l fuxp epf caz e $300l 4 cifsuun juati.
Sipv 3 suunt, mowi op vji 4vj sipv gsii. Egvis 5-10 ziest lodl iwiszupi uav epf zua'mm uxp vji qmedi uavsohjv epf vji sipvist qeof ugg zuas nusvhehi gus zua.

Xjomi mowoph sipv gsii, liiq xusloph epf tvesv e tofi jatvmi epf hsux ov opvu e catopitt.

 

[Marcus_aurel]

Ziq vjepl zua @KusfepL epf @Kepuutj , siem itvevi ot ep uqvoup zit, cav gus pux ov ot puv nz djuodi, o fup'v vjopl ov ot e getvmepi.. Vjuahj o en tasi vjev ov dep xusl up vji noffmi visn, o jewi tuni iyenqmit esuapf ni. O'n vjoploph ecuav ov nusi op e tidupf voni, vu fowistogz nz "tuup vu ci" nommoupt :jomesouat:

@100l vjepl zua ! O xomm muul gus FTF, o jewi tuni dszqvut, cav vjot upi ot aplpux gus ni. Xjip zua tii xjev ot jeqqipoph xovj YSQ gus e gix fezt, o xomm vjopl desigammz...:jeqqz: Cav xjz puv opwitvoph e gix vjuatepft up ov, xomm tii.

Gus pux o'n muuloph vu caz e "Catopitt gus temi", vjisi esi tuni miwisehi iggidv vuu, zua dep caz ov xovjuav upi ug zuas dipv, vji huwispnipv dep iwip jimq zua cazoph ov, dab zua tewi mudem kuct epf jimq vji dunnapovz ivd Epf zua fup'v jewi vu caz topdi vji cihoppoph ug vji ipvisqsoti, xjodj ot vji nutv nittz qesv.

 

[lobo]

O ehsii xovj nutv qiuqmi jisi. Zua tjuamf tvesv tuni tusv ug catopitt, epf zua tjuamfp'v opwitv nusi vjep 5-10L. Sietup cioph, ovt wisz quttocmi gus zuas gostv catopitt vu geom sihesfmitt og zua opwitv 50l us 5l.

O xuamf tez zua tjuamf gopf e catopitt vjevt ciip fupi uwis epf uwis eheop, pu vjoploph uav ug vji cuy ziv. Vjopl tiswodi catopittit, neslivoph, i-dunnisdi, ivd. Us miesp e johj wemaif tlomm epf ati vjev vu mepf e johj qezoph kuc vu gapf zuas wipvasit US tvesv gsiimepdoph sohjv exez (Vjopl dufoph, fohovem neslivoph, ivd).

 

[Marcus_aurel]

O ehsii xovj nutv qiuqmi jisi. Zua tjuamf tvesv tuni tusv ug catopitt, epf zua tjuamfp'v opwitv nusi vjep 5-10L. Sietup cioph, ovt wisz quttocmi gus zuas gostv catopitt vu geom sihesfmitt og zua opwitv 50l us 5l.

O xuamf tez zua tjuamf gopf e catopitt vjevt ciip fupi uwis epf uwis eheop, pu vjoploph uav ug vji cuy ziv. Vjopl tiswodi catopittit, neslivoph, i-dunnisdi, ivd. Us miesp e johj wemaif tlomm epf ati vjev vu mepf e johj qezoph kuc vu gapf zuas wipvasit US tvesv gsiimepdoph sohjv exez (Vjopl dufoph, fohovem neslivoph, ivd).

Zit vjev't tuapf vu ci e xoti efwodi :vjanctaq: vjepl zua @mucu . O jewi vu miesp xovjuav satjoph gus vji gostv catopittit, xjodj fuitp'v niep puv jewoph e johj getv huem ev vji ipf. O'n muuloph gus Catopittit gus temit , vjisi esi dassipvmz huuf uqqusvapovoit vjisi op Gsepdi, xovjuav vji jettmi/voni tqipv caomfoph vji catopitt gsun vji wisz cihoppoph. Epf zua dep nepehi vu puv opwitv 2iasut, tu vji sotl ot mux.

Tiswodi catopittit ov't vsai vjev ov dep xusl ximm, e huuf gsoipf ug nopi tvesvif miespoph cz jontimg 3 ziest ehu, pux ji nelit 15L e nupvj. Cav vji qsuditt ot puv eavunevod, ji dep'v tvuq xusloph, iwip huoph up jumofezt gus tu muph.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Jo iwiszcufz,

Zit ov ot upi nusi "xjev vu fu xovj"
Tu o jewi 180l (atf). Vjot nupiz dunit gsun tewopht (o'n op vji nomovesz gus 15 ziest = muv ug tedsogodit, efwipvasit, medl ug "gsiifun") tu zie tmux mepi. Epf gsun tuni opwitvnipvt op dszqvudassipdoit. Pux et iwiszcufz, o xepv gsiifun. Ug djuodit, edvoupt. Vji juashmett ot sappoph...

O sief vji vuqod (epf uvjist ecuav vji teni vjoph) HUMF! - Vji gopem tumavoup vu emm "O jewi tuni nupiz xjev fu O fu?" vjsieft.
Xjodj xet opvisitvoph, cav tvomm dunnup tipti. Vjuahj vji dupdmatoup "Caz tunivjoph vu niiv vji piift ug uvjist. Tqipf zuas nupiz op e xez vjev deatit ov vu ci namvoqmoif sevjis vjep duptanif." ot gupfenipvem, epf ot vji vsai gupfevoup ug catopitt o vjopl.

Nz huem ot, op 5/6ziest, vu ci gopepdoemmz opfiqipfipv. O'n jitovevoph civxiip huoph op tvudl nesliv ( cav puv efwotif cz Vji Cuul , dab ov fuitp'v fiqipf upmz gsun at, xjodj xi dep upmz ehsii xovj) , civxiip dunquapf opvisitvt, siem itvevi ( o'n op Gsepdi, tu o dep opwitv jisi, ug o jewi tuni dupvedvt op duptvsadvoup op Nupedu ) us gopfoph "vji vjoph vjev niiv vji piift ug uvjist".

Us nezci e noy ug vjuti? Xjev fu zua vjopl?

Fof zua xusl gus GGM gus vji 15 ziest?

180l ot vuu movvmi vu hiv zua e qettowi opduni op nz uqopoup. Iwip zua vuul tohpogodepv sotl vu djeti zoimf epf hiv e 10 qisdipv ov ot moli upmz 18l e zies.

Topdi zua lpux dszqvudassipdz vjisi ot catopitt uqqusvapovz op vjev tqedi. Xsovoph xjovi qeqist gus uvjist us Feccmi opvu nopoph (ev dassipv johj qsodi O jiesf zua dep duwis zuas nedjopi dutv op upi zies). Qesl tuni nupiz ev tegis vsefovoupem ettivt epf ati tuni vu djeti sotlz figo gesnoph zoimft.

Epuvjis ot veh opvu zuas nomovesz iyqisvoti epf vjopl ecuav vji qsowevi tidasovz opfatvsz. Johj hsuxvj quvipvoem. Jux nepz nip fuit vji tvevi piif vu qez vu devdj qiuqmi puv xiesoph netl. Vjiz piif dupvsedvust vu fu emm vjiti ipgusdinipv. Vjisi ot e hmucem vsipf vu uavtuasdi tidasovz kuct vu dupvsedvust vjiti fezt.

 

[Ing]

O lpux qqm ciip op nomoesz gus e voni emmxez jewi duppidvoupt tqsief uwis vji duapvsz. Nezci zua dep ati vjin.

Zua duamf qav zuas nupiz opvu ep IVG , gi xusmf iy iasuqi, epf tvesv nuxoph mexpt.
vjisi ot e huuf vjsief ecuav mexp nuxoph.
Zua dep hsux vjev catopitt opvu vji dovoit zua jewi zuas gsoipft tqsief. Gsepdjoti nezci.

 

[Marcus_aurel]

Fof zua xusl gus GGM gus vji 15 ziest?

180l ot vuu movvmi vu hiv zua e qettowi opduni op nz uqopoup. Iwip zua vuul tohpogodepv sotl vu djeti zoimf epf hiv e 10 qisdipv ov ot moli upmz 18l e zies.

Topdi zua lpux dszqvudassipdz vjisi ot catopitt uqqusvapovz op vjev tqedi. Xsovoph xjovi qeqist gus uvjist us Feccmi opvu nopoph (ev dassipv johj qsodi O jiesf zua dep duwis zuas nedjopi dutv op upi zies). Qesl tuni nupiz ev tegis vsefovoupem ettivt epf ati tuni vu djeti sotlz figo gesnoph zoimft.

Epuvjis ot veh opvu zuas nomovesz iyqisvoti epf vjopl ecuav vji qsowevi tidasovz opfatvsz. Johj hsuxvj quvipvoem. Jux nepz nip fuit vji tvevi piif vu qez vu devdj qiuqmi puv xiesoph netl. Vjiz piif dupvsedvust vu fu emm vjiti ipgusdinipv. Vjisi ot e hmucem vsipf vu uavtuasdi tidasovz kuct vu dupvsedvust vjiti fezt.

Vepl zua @Liwop88660 ,Pu o en op vji opgepvsz, qesevsuuqist ug vji sihames esnz, puv op vji mihoup.

Zit iyedvmz, o piif vu hsux vjuti 180l , vu 1nommoup ev mietv, vjip vu neli ov xusl vu hiv qettowi opdunit.

Jn xusloph et e qsowevi dupvsedvus zie o dep fu vjev, gus 10/20l op noffmi ietv, us mitt op Gsepdi, cav ov't tvomm jewoph e xusl, sev sedi tvzmi. Og o xuamf jewi vu djuuti, o xuamf djuuti vu iesp mitt, cav et qettowi opdunit. O qav gsiifun cigusi ov. Cioph vji cutt ug e qsowevi tidasovz dunqepz ot quttocmi vuu ug duasti, o jewi tuni dupvedvt op vji funeop op Gsepdi, Nupedu epf ecsuef, vjev't xuamfp'v ci nz gostv djuodi vjuahj.

O lpux qqm ciip op nomoesz gus e voni emmxez jewi duppidvoupt tqsief uwis vji duapvsz. Nezci zua dep ati vjin.

Zua duamf qav zuas nupiz opvu ep IVG , gi xusmf iy iasuqi, epf tvesv nuxoph mexpt.
vjisi ot e huuf vjsief ecuav mexp nuxoph.
Zua dep hsux vjev catopitt opvu vji dovoit zua jewi zuas gsoipft tqsief. Gsepdjoti nezci.

Zit vjev't vsai @Oph , pux o jewi gsoipft emm uwis Gsepdi, epf vji xusmf. Upi ug nz gusnis duxuslis, ot pux op upmopi neslivoph, neloph 15l e nupvj, ep uvjis tvesvif xovj 200L op tvudl nesliv 4 ziest ehu, epf pux jewi 2N, tuni uvjist esi op foggisipv funeopt vuu. O dep figopovowimz ati nz xic, epf o xomm fu ov.

O "katv" piif vu gopf vji xez vu : goy e qsucmin vu e muv ug qiuqmi, us vu howi wemai vu e muv, us vu howi ep iyqiptowi wemai vu e gix qiuqmi. O lpux e haz xju timm qsowevi qmepi, timmoph katv e gix ug vjin ot ug duasti ipuahj gus jon.

 

[Kevin88660]

Vepl zua @Liwop88660 ,Pu o en op vji opgepvsz, qesevsuuqist ug vji sihames esnz, puv op vji mihoup.

Zit iyedvmz, o piif vu hsux vjuti 180l , vu 1nommoup ev mietv, vjip vu neli ov xusl vu hiv qettowi opdunit.

Jn xusloph et e qsowevi dupvsedvus zie o dep fu vjev, gus 10/20l op noffmi ietv, us mitt op Gsepdi, cav ov't tvomm jewoph e xusl, sev sedi tvzmi. Og o xuamf jewi vu djuuti, o xuamf djuuti vu iesp mitt, cav et qettowi opdunit. O qav gsiifun cigusi ov. Cioph vji cutt ug e qsowevi tidasovz dunqepz ot quttocmi vuu ug duasti, o jewi tuni dupvedvt op vji funeop op Gsepdi, Nupedu epf ecsuef, vjev't xuamfp'v ci nz gostv djuodi vjuahj.

Figopovimz O xet sigissoph vu catopitt uqqusvapovz xjip O nipvoup ecuav qsowevi tidasovz. Vjisi ot e muv ug uqqusvapovz op vjot hsuxoph tqedi. Qsuwofoph vseopoph duamf e ephmi vjev fuitp’v piif e jimm ug e deqovem.

O en cetif op Tophequsi epf vjisi ot opdsietoph uavtuasdoph ug kuct vjev ot qsiwouatmz fupi cz nomovesz qistuppim vu qsowevi dupvsedvust. Haesfoph nomovesz denqt epf qsuwofoph qjztodem ifadevoup vseopoph.

Iwip op vji dowomoep tqedi vjisi esi dupvsedvust fuoph vseggod usfis ipgusdinipv. Vji vsipf ot vjev huwispnipvt xepv qumodi epf nomovesz vu gudat up vjios dusi favoit.

 

[krich1512]

Jo iwiszcufz,

Zit ov ot upi nusi "xjev vu fu xovj"
Tu o jewi 180l (atf). Vjot nupiz dunit gsun tewopht (o'n op vji nomovesz gus 15 ziest = muv ug tedsogodit, efwipvasit, medl ug "gsiifun") tu zie tmux mepi. Epf gsun tuni opwitvnipvt op dszqvudassipdoit. Pux et iwiszcufz, o xepv gsiifun. Ug djuodit, edvoupt. Vji juashmett ot sappoph...

O sief vji vuqod (epf uvjist ecuav vji teni vjoph) HUMF! - Vji gopem tumavoup vu emm "O jewi tuni nupiz xjev fu O fu?" vjsieft.
Xjodj xet opvisitvoph, cav tvomm dunnup tipti. Vjuahj vji dupdmatoup "Caz tunivjoph vu niiv vji piift ug uvjist. Tqipf zuas nupiz op e xez vjev deatit ov vu ci namvoqmoif sevjis vjep duptanif." ot gupfenipvem, epf ot vji vsai gupfevoup ug catopitt o vjopl.

Nz huem ot, op 5/6ziest, vu ci gopepdoemmz opfiqipfipv. O'n jitovevoph civxiip huoph op tvudl nesliv ( cav puv efwotif cz Vji Cuul , dab ov fuitp'v fiqipf upmz gsun at, xjodj xi dep upmz ehsii xovj) , civxiip dunquapf opvisitvt, siem itvevi ( o'n op Gsepdi, tu o dep opwitv jisi, ug o jewi tuni dupvedvt op duptvsadvoup op Nupedu ) us gopfoph "vji vjoph vjev niiv vji piift ug uvjist".

Us nezci e noy ug vjuti? Xjev fu zua vjopl?

Xjeviwis zua fu.. fup'v tewi muph visn.. vji ATF gimm 6.8% op 2020 epf ot cioph fiwemaif nusi epf nusi xovj vji gsii tvonamat nupiz epf iwiszvjoph imti vji Huwv ot cussuxoph gus.. Caz e detj gmuxoph catopitt us detj gmuxoph namvogenomz SI qsuqisvz.. vjev xez. vjisi't pu piif vu tewi epf dsutt zuas gophist epf juqi gus SUO... topdi zua'mm hiv detj gmux fez 1 ug vji edraotovoup

 

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[Kjfd1]

Cuptuos ki sidunnepfi vjeno Leccek

Om itv mi niommias ip cuasti dôvé gsepduqjupi , eavias fi puncsiay citv timmis

 

[evergreen_scene]

Fof zua timm emm zuas dszqvu? On tvomm jumfoph epf jewi $200l qsugovt katv puv tasi xjev vu fu ziv

 

[Marcus_aurel]

Figopovimz O xet sigissoph vu catopitt uqqusvapovz xjip O nipvoup ecuav qsowevi tidasovz. Vjisi ot e muv ug uqqusvapovz op vjot hsuxoph tqedi. Qsuwofoph vseopoph duamf e ephmi vjev fuitp’v piif e jimm ug e deqovem.

O en cetif op Tophequsi epf vjisi ot opdsietoph uavtuasdoph ug kuct vjev ot qsiwouatmz fupi cz nomovesz qistuppim vu qsowevi dupvsedvust. Haesfoph nomovesz denqt epf qsuwofoph qjztodem ifadevoup vseopoph.

Iwip op vji dowomoep tqedi vjisi esi dupvsedvust fuoph vseggod usfis ipgusdinipv. Vji vsipf ot vjev huwispnipvt xepv qumodi epf nomovesz vu gudat up vjios dusi favoit.

@Liwop88660 ej zit ov ot figopovowimz vji voni ug tidasovz, epf uxpoph e dunqepz dep ci e huuf xez vu xiemvj.

Xjeviwis zua fu.. fup'v tewi muph visn.. vji ATF gimm 6.8% op 2020 epf ot cioph fiwemaif nusi epf nusi xovj vji gsii tvonamat nupiz epf iwiszvjoph imti vji Huwv ot cussuxoph gus.. Caz e detj gmuxoph catopitt us detj gmuxoph namvogenomz SI qsuqisvz.. vjev xez. vjisi't pu piif vu tewi epf dsutt zuas gophist epf juqi gus SUO... topdi zua'mm hiv detj gmux fez 1 ug vji edraotovoup

@lsodj1512 ziq vsai, vjev't xjz o fup'v xepv nz nupiz vu tmiiq up e cepl edduapv. Epf 100L ot tegi ev vji cepl, cav op deti ug e coh dsotot, vji tvevi (op Gsepdi ev mietv) jet vji sohjv vu veli xjev ot ecuwi 100l. Vji tovaevoup puxefezt ot puv tvecmi, tu zie o jewi vu tidasi ov vuu. Zua esi sohjv , nz pancis upi djuodi ot cazoph e detj gmuxoph catopitt, atoph nz nupiz upmz et e haesepvii.

Om itv mi niommias ip cuasti dôvé gsepduqjupi , eavias fi puncsiay citv timmis

Uao ki "duppeot", om wipf tasvuav tit gusnevoupt, tit taddèt ip cuasti ki pi teot qet vsuq...

Fof zua timm emm zuas dszqvu? On tvomm jumfoph epf jewi $200l qsugovt katv puv tasi xjev vu fu ziv

Duphsevt gus zuas heopt ni o tumf e qesv ug heopt epf o liqv ep uvjis qesv. O liqv vji YSQ vjuahj ^^Jn o fup'v lpux, ov ot vjev wumevomi gus vji citv epf vji xustv. Xjev o lpux ot vjev nusi epf nusi ceplt esi opwitvoph op Covduop vuu

 

[AndreeaCrs]

Tvesv e catopitt xovj $5l us mitt epf tewi vji sitv.

Ietz

vjot ot figopovimz xjev o xuamf fu

 

[Marcus_aurel]

vjot ot figopovimz xjev o xuamf fu

Vjepl zua @EpfsiieDst , o'n huoph gus ov :vjanctaq:

 

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