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What do to when people say "don't chase money" in terms of following your passion but you don't have any passions?

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Hi everyone! This is my first thread in the forum, I have not made any introduction and I don't expect this to be one, I don't think I have a story interesting enough to introduce me -for now- so this thread is more than anything to ask for some advice and read experiences of everyone who is willing to share it.

I am 19 yo and I don't know what I want to do. Yes, I know it's very common at this age, but I don't like it, I mean, I'd like to know what I'm going to do to start working on it. (Don't believe that I expect a magical response from this thread, I am always in constant search of possible niches to work or learn)

What I know I want: live from internet
What I don't know: in what area I'm going to specialize (I don't have any soldable skill right now)

Currently I have been able to make some money selling digital things (for example: goods in games, etc. nothing sustainable or what I would like to do for my whole life) and my goal this year is to make $10K which I think is possible.

The thing is: I live in Venezuela. Therefore, several business models are almost impossible to do from here, for example: Amazon FBA, Dropshipping, etc.) because I have no way to receive money (banks here do not allow trading with foreign currency, they could simply freeze the money) PD: if you're asking how I've handle to receive the money I'm making now, via PayPal or cryptocurrency but if you start moving too much money in PayPal from this country your account can get easily banned and crypto isn't a mainstream payment method yet)

Lately I've been interested in learning SEO, web design, programming, but I don't know if it's something I like and my big fear is to specialize in something where I make money but I don't like it at all.

I am sure that someone who is reading this at some point has felt like me and at this moment they already have a purpose in their life; if so, please share your story or advice, I want to start learning, studying on my own, but I'm afraid to learn something for the simple fact of making money and that I don't end up liking.


Probably interesting facts about me:

- I don't spend time watching ig, tv, funny videos on yt, etc. Most of my time I spend reading forums, learning new things, watching financial YT videos.

- Most of my friends have went abroad (because of country's situation) so I don't go out frequently, I spend most of my days and time on my house and I have all the time of the world to study anything. (Felt lonely, btw)

- Haven't read the MFL complete, only around 100 pages and ordered Unscripted few days ago from Amazon, not sure if the books talk about these topics of finding your passion or something.

- I had the opportunity to go to abroad to work and have a "normal life" but I preferred to stay here at least 1 more year to learn something, save some money and not work as a cleaner on another country for minimum wage or something like that.

I think it converted into a mini-introduction but yeah, I want to put it as clear as possible in order to receive the best advices or stories.

Thank you for reading, friend!
 

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Hey, thanks for your reply. This is the way I see things:

I don't have any salable skill. Then guess what? If I go abroad to work the best I could aspire is clean toilets for 10 hours/day.

I won't have time to learn, I will be always tired, 25% of my income on rent, making money to buy furniture, tv, basic things I would need to start from zero.

I want to chase my dreams, I want to work on internet and build something, which will be more difficult to do working 10hours a day as a slave -literally slave-.
 

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I learned sales by getting a sales job

I learned building websites by charging businesses for me to build them a website

I learned everything by doing it as work.

Here's what I would do: leave the country that won't even let you get paid online to someplace with a real economy, get a job that'll teach you skills, use those skills to work for yourself and start a business, and continue from there.

You could easily be living in thailand on the beach making 4k a month and living on 1k a month doing your own thing with no boss.

edit: If you wanna mow lawns for $15 an hour for me I'll teach you anything you want to know about online biz ;)
 

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Hey, thanks for your reply. This is the way I see things:

I don't have any salable skill. Then guess what? If I go abroad to work the best I could aspire is clean toilets for 10 hours/day.

I won't have time to learn, I will be always tired, 25% of my income on rent, making money to buy furniture, tv, basic things I would need to start from zero.

I want to chase my dreams, I want to work on internet and build something, which will be more difficult to do working 10hours a day as a slave -literally slave-.
If I were in your situation, I would save up money and buy an entry level camera or at least a phone with really good camera, pick up photography and be good at it, then sell my services through Upwork and other freelance site, specializing in lifestyle and product photography.

This is one area which I feel Venezuela can beat out most other countries on earth:

1) Lifestyle photography of models posing with products for e-commerce shops at lower prices than other countries. There IS a gap in this area for new and small businesses (no. of new e-commerce shops is growing for the next few years ahead), where they need this done but can't afford to pay something like > US$600 for 12 shots (excluding models). You can do this for $200 or less including models. South Americans (Brazil, Venezuela etc.) also tend to be less stiff in photo posing, which is good.
Shipping products from the West to Venezuela for photography is also faster.

2) Venezuelan girls (not sure about the guys) are pretty. In most countries, the beauty ratio is like 2 pretty ones out of every 15 - 20, but Venezuela is more like 17 out of every 20. That's a plus.

Once you've done these and save up enough $, then find a way to migrate.

Btw, I've paid a Venezuelan photographer before online via Upwork, so that shouldn't be an issue unless they changed the laws.
 

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Good on you for being here, asking questions and not making a rash decision about what to do next.
Educating yourself is #1 and you're doing that.

MJ's books aren't about following your passion. That's the best thing about them. There's heaps of entrepreneurial advice out there for people who are following their passions but living paycheck-to-paycheck. I re-read his books when I need to get my head out the clouds and back in the real world.

I don't know much about your country or situation, however keep in mind that the world is always changing.
My advice is to think about where you want to be in 5-10 years and start making SMART moves to get there.
If that is to move to a new location, get a dead-end job cleaning toilets so you can use your brain at nightschool. Do that. Or if it's to study online, make a marketing business and save your butt off. Do that.

Your big fear about making money and not liking it is a common reality. SO USE THAT FEAR. Lean into it and create a business that you can outsource parts. Spend time of your strategy. Don't get me wrong though, most businesses will require you to first get dirty and work hard. But you can do this, you're smart.

Think about the LONG game, not the short game. You are young but way brighter than most 19 year olds. Use this to your advantage. Gain experience, education and self-awareness early. It will pay off in decisions you make later.

I've found that travelling has helped me gain skills such as self-awareness, empathy, resilience, cultural skills, critical thinking skills etc. These help me in business now.

I was broke in my early 20s - because I spent money on travel... looking back, it was the best decision. Mind you, I wasn't as bright as you appear to be and I had no idea about businesses or entrepreneurial pursuits (it was a different time).
 

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Your focus is wrong. Don't focus on making money online. Focus on providing value (how can you provide value to people). And the money, online or otherwise, will follow from there.

Your passions have nothing to do with providing value. At least when you start. And once you start getting paid for providing value, you will find out that your passion for that will grow.

My first thought when I read this:
You have to start at the bottom if you leave your country. I'm just wondering if the bottom at a country with a functional economy is not a higher starting point than your current position in Venezuela? You can study and read all you want, but if you risk losing whatever you built if the government finds out, I'm not sure you will be able to build all that much. Also, not everyone has to go to the US, perhaps you can make a living teaching English in South-East Asia, or Spanish somewhere else. I've seen quite a few people do that.

My second thought:
If it is that hard to keep money outside of Venezuela, that sounds like a business opportunity. Offer a service where properly identified, upstanding Venezuelan citizens can store their hard (online) earned dollars. Preferably in a country with a stable political atmosphere and competent, though openminded financial regulator. But you probably don't want to be inside Venezuela when you advertise those services.
 
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If I were in your situation, I would save up money and buy an entry level camera or at least a phone with really good camera, pick up photography and be good at it, then sell my services through Upwork and other freelance site, specializing in lifestyle and product photography.

This is one area which I feel Venezuela can beat out most other countries on earth:

1) Lifestyle photography of models posing with products for e-commerce shops at lower prices than other countries. There IS a gap in this area for new and small businesses (no. of new e-commerce shops is growing for the next few years ahead), where they need this done but can't afford to pay something like > US$600 for 12 shots (excluding models). You can do this for $200 or less including models. South Americans (Brazil, Venezuela etc.) also tend to be less stiff in photo posing, which is good.
Shipping products from the West to Venezuela for photography is also faster.

2) Venezuelan girls (not sure about the guys) are pretty. In most countries, the beauty ratio is like 2 pretty ones out of every 15 - 20, but Venezuela is more like 17 out of every 20. That's a plus.

Once you've done these and save up enough $, then find a way to migrate.

Btw, I've paid a Venezuelan photographer before online via Upwork, so that shouldn't be an issue unless they changed the laws.
Hey, Xeon! This is a very good and detailed guide, friend. Thank you so much for sharing it. I didn't thought about photography before, I have a friend who is photographer himself, so I guess he can help me with some basic stuff at the beginning.
Actually if I want I could migrate now but as I stated before, I don't want to go anywhere else without any knowledge, I want to take all the time I have now in learning new and tangible things that I like and potentially make money from it.
Your post made me think about the possibilities as a photographer on this country that I didn't thought before. Thanks again for taking your time on sharing it, friend.
Good on you for being here, asking questions and not making a rash decision about what to do next.
Educating yourself is #1 and you're doing that.

MJ's books aren't about following your passion. That's the best thing about them. There's heaps of entrepreneurial advice out there for people who are following their passions but living paycheck-to-paycheck. I re-read his books when I need to get my head out the clouds and back in the real world.

I don't know much about your country or situation, however keep in mind that the world is always changing.
My advice is to think about where you want to be in 5-10 years and start making SMART moves to get there.
If that is to move to a new location, get a dead-end job cleaning toilets so you can use your brain at nightschool. Do that. Or if it's to study online, make a marketing business and save your butt off. Do that.

Your big fear about making money and not liking it is a common reality. SO USE THAT FEAR. Lean into it and create a business that you can outsource parts. Spend time of your strategy. Don't get me wrong though, most businesses will require you to first get dirty and work hard. But you can do this, you're smart.

Think about the LONG game, not the short game. You are young but way brighter than most 19 year olds. Use this to your advantage. Gain experience, education and self-awareness early. It will pay off in decisions you make later.

I've found that travelling has helped me gain skills such as self-awareness, empathy, resilience, cultural skills, critical thinking skills etc. These help me in business now.

I was broke in my early 20s - because I spent money on travel... looking back, it was the best decision. Mind you, I wasn't as bright as you appear to be and I had no idea about businesses or entrepreneurial pursuits (it was a different time).
Hi, Adelaide. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, I really see value on your text. It's always interesting to read from other people's experience and yours wasn't the exception.
I'll stick with the part think about where you want to be in 5-10 years and start making SMART moves to get there. I'm always thinking about what I want to get but not about where I want to be and that part really made me to think about it. Thanks for sharing it, friend!
Your focus is wrong. Don't focus on making money online. Focus on providing value (how can you provide value to people). And the money, online or otherwise, will follow from there.

Your passions have nothing to do with providing value. At least when you start. And once you start getting paid for providing value, you will find out that your passion for that will grow.

My first thought when I read this:
You have to start at the bottom if you leave your country. I'm just wondering if the bottom at a country with a functional economy is not a higher starting point than your current position in Venezuela? You can study and read all you want, but if you risk losing whatever you built if the government finds out, I'm not sure you will be able to build all that much. Also, not everyone has to go to the US, perhaps you can make a living teaching English in South-East Asia, or Spanish somewhere else. I've seen quite a few people do that.

My second thought:
If it is that hard to keep money outside of Venezuela, that sounds like a business opportunity. Offer a service where properly identified, upstanding Venezuelan citizens can store their hard (online) earned dollars. Preferably in a country with a stable political atmosphere and competent, though openminded financial regulator. But you probably don't want to be inside Venezuela when you advertise those services.
Hey, jpn! Yes, you have a solid advice there. I need to rewire my brain to think on provide value instead of making money, which will come after the value I provide. I never think about that.
To clarify about the Venezuela things, starting at the bottom on another country (at least the country I have relatives in) isn't currently a higher starting because selling the digital goods and those things I can earn the same minimum wage I would earn on that other country monthly with the difference that I can save like 90% of that money here because I live with my parents and I have way more time than I would have working abroad. About the money side, I have a friend that could do me the favor to save the money I earn on his US bank account so the government *finding out it* wouldn't be a problem.
About your second thought there are already services (websites) that offer the people to store their money $ in there, I've used them personally before. But yes there are some business oportunities regardless of everything else, is just that working online is more secure in terms of freedom.

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But yes, the Venezuela topic is very extensive to cover all of this. I really have gathered very good information from your posts. And while the Venezuela topic is an important thing because if the situation weren't that bad I would be able to have more opportunities, I would like to keep the topic of the thread as how to find meaning/passion to have a happy relation between work-money. Don't get me wrong, talking about the situation doesn't make me angry (in fact if anyone is curious about this, we can talk on PM) is only that the main point why I posted this thread was to read some experiences/advices from the most experienced members principally about the title.
 

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Hey, Xeon! This is a very good and detailed guide, friend. Thank you so much for sharing it. I didn't thought about photography before, I have a friend who is photographer himself, so I guess he can help me with some basic stuff at the beginning......Your post made me think about the possibilities as a photographer on this country that I didn't thought before. Thanks again for taking your time on sharing it, friend.
Also, Venezuela has many nice exotic spots which makes for great photography backgrounds for various products / brand story.
There's also resorts there with pools and etc, so for e.g, if you find a client who sells swimswear, you can get it done there in Venezuela, where you can re-create a similar look and feel in the photos, instead of the client doing it in a place like Miami, which is expensive af for small and new businesses. But of course, the photography itself has to look decent, not crap lol
 

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Hi everyone! This is my first thread in the forum, I have not made any introduction and I don't expect this to be one, I don't think I have a story interesting enough to introduce me -for now- so this thread is more than anything to ask for some advice and read experiences of everyone who is willing to share it.

I am 19 yo and I don't know what I want to do. Yes, I know it's very common at this age, but I don't like it, I mean, I'd like to know what I'm going to do to start working on it. (Don't believe that I expect a magical response from this thread, I am always in constant search of possible niches to work or learn)

What I know I want: live from internet
What I don't know: in what area I'm going to specialize (I don't have any soldable skill right now)

Currently I have been able to make some money selling digital things (for example: goods in games, etc. nothing sustainable or what I would like to do for my whole life) and my goal this year is to make $10K which I think is possible.

The thing is: I live in Venezuela. Therefore, several business models are almost impossible to do from here, for example: Amazon FBA, Dropshipping, etc.) because I have no way to receive money (banks here do not allow trading with foreign currency, they could simply freeze the money) PD: if you're asking how I've handle to receive the money I'm making now, via PayPal or cryptocurrency but if you start moving too much money in PayPal from this country your account can get easily banned and crypto isn't a mainstream payment method yet)

Lately I've been interested in learning SEO, web design, programming, but I don't know if it's something I like and my big fear is to specialize in something where I make money but I don't like it at all.

I am sure that someone who is reading this at some point has felt like me and at this moment they already have a purpose in their life; if so, please share your story or advice, I want to start learning, studying on my own, but I'm afraid to learn something for the simple fact of making money and that I don't end up liking.


Probably interesting facts about me:

- I don't spend time watching ig, tv, funny videos on yt, etc. Most of my time I spend reading forums, learning new things, watching financial YT videos.

- Most of my friends have went abroad (because of country's situation) so I don't go out frequently, I spend most of my days and time on my house and I have all the time of the world to study anything. (Felt lonely, btw)

- Haven't read the MFL complete, only around 100 pages and ordered Unscripted few days ago from Amazon, not sure if the books talk about these topics of finding your passion or something.

- I had the opportunity to go to abroad to work and have a "normal life" but I preferred to stay here at least 1 more year to learn something, save some money and not work as a cleaner on another country for minimum wage or something like that.

I think it converted into a mini-introduction but yeah, I want to put it as clear as possible in order to receive the best advices or stories.

Thank you for reading, friend!
My good lad I can relate to what you are going through I too come from a third world country since you have a year and can atleast buy the necessary tools I suggest you learn a skill in 6 months then practice it to get better and find a job

Here a post to get you started
 

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I don't have any salable skill. Then guess what? If I go abroad to work the best I could aspire is clean toilets for 10 hours/day.
So what? If you aren't willing to do that, you don't want it bad enough.

We all start at the bottom, this statement suggests you think you don't need to.

I don't have the full details on your country's situation, but my guess its an albatross on you achieving any kind of success, much less freedom. That would be my #1 priority is finding a location that doesn't hinder my goals.
 

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I'm 37 and still don't know what I want to do! ;)
Just go out and do something. Experiment. You may find that something you didn't think you'd like ends up making you money, and then you start to like it. But you won't know unless you give it a try!

Some people do find that one passion that they dedicate their life to. Good for them. That's not in my DNA. I don't want to do the same thing my whole life. I'm already thinking of my exit strategy before I've even started my business! But that's just me, find what works for you. I'm just saying, if you don't find a "calling" so-to-speak, that doesn't make or break your life. There are many serial entrepreneurs (like the guy in my profile pic) whose businesses weren't related at all.

I also agree with the others that you gotta get out of Venezuela! It's such a shame that their govt limits their people so much.
 

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Im not going to talk about leaving your country as that still won't help you figure out what you want to do.

However, what are you goals? I know you said you want a life that lives off the internet. But that's too high level.

Sounds like to me, you don't know:

1. Your goals
2. Your values
3. Your priorities
4. Your mission statement
5. Ennagram Type
6. Briggs Meyers Type

If you can start today on all 6 of these, all of this can lead you the type of work you could be passionate about.

Read my thread here about it:

.
 
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My good lad I can relate to what you are going through I too come from a third world country since you have a year and can atleast buy the necessary tools I suggest you learn a skill in 6 months then practice it to get better and find a job

Here a post to get you started
Hey, Enock! Thanks for your comment. Yes, that's the short-term plan I guess. Wish you the best and hope you do well in the future too.
So what? If you aren't willing to do that, you don't want it bad enough.

We all start at the bottom, this statement suggests you think you don't need to.

I don't have the full details on your country's situation, but my guess its an albatross on you achieving any kind of success, much less freedom. That would be my #1 priority is finding a location that doesn't hinder my goals.
It's not that i'm not willing to do that, one year ago I would went because I wasn't making any money but now I can save money here ($10k is the goal) and then move up in a year or so with at least something and already having a vision of what I want to do. Instead of waste most of my time and energy working without knowing what I really want to do.
Thanks for your comment.
I'm 37 and still don't know what I want to do! ;)
Just go out and do something. Experiment. You may find that something you didn't think you'd like ends up making you money, and then you start to like it. But you won't know unless you give it a try!

Some people do find that one passion that they dedicate their life to. Good for them. That's not in my DNA. I don't want to do the same thing my whole life. I'm already thinking of my exit strategy before I've even started my business! But that's just me, find what works for you. I'm just saying, if you don't find a "calling" so-to-speak, that doesn't make or break your life. There are many serial entrepreneurs (like the guy in my profile pic) whose businesses weren't related at all.

I also agree with the others that you gotta get out of Venezuela! It's such a shame that their govt limits their people so much.
Hi, Matt! Yes, you're right. I don't go out much, I spend most of my time in my house just researching or trying to make money. If I try something, that could end up being satisfactory to me and hopefully convert it into my passion but I don't give myself the time to try new things.
I'll take your comment as an action-caller and experiment new things. And yes, getting out of the country is on my short-term plan too, but if I have the opportunity to stay here at least 1 more year learning something and saving money, I think it's the smarter decission right now.
Thanks for sharing your opinion and I wish the best to you too.
 
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Im not going to talk about leaving your country as that still won't help you figure out what you want to do.

However, what are you goals? I know you said you want a life that lives off the internet. But that's too high level.

Sounds like to me, you don't know:

1. Your goals
2. Your values
3. Your priorities
4. Your mission statement
5. Ennagram Type
6. Briggs Meyers Type

If you can start today on all 6 of these, all of this can lead you the type of work you could be passionate about.

Read my thread here about it:

.
Hey, Jason! I've read some of your posts before but hadn't seen that one.

You're absolutely right. I bookmarked your thread and I'm reading it right now. It's very helpful for me at this moment of my life. Thank you so much for your comment. I really appreciate it.
 

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Ill share a little secret. At some point, you have to go and work, because you have bills to pay. If you dont full accept this now, and start planning clearly and thinking strategically, you will probably be in a crappy job wondering how you got there.

good news is you can always start thinking clearly again, but as you get older people get lazy and comfortable. they get stuck.

a lot of people dont know what they want to do, but they chose something anyway. a lot of people with jobs wish they chose something else, but the debt is holding them and the job pays better than no experience job elsewhere.

when people say 'you're young, go try things!' its because you have to go see what is "up your alley", and discover what you might like or be good at, and sometimes, often even you won't know until you go see all these things.

Sitting and not knowing what to pick is just getting closer to that moment where you go "crap, i have rent due, i need a job now!' and you become the sucker working at a temp company or fast food.

so TL DR - don't fool yourself - whether you know what your passion is or isn't won't help if you have no choice down the road. So try things so you know which choices work better for you as you go on.
 

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"living from the internet" isn't a goal, it's a vehicle.

What do you really want? freedom of location? Or to take a few weeks of awesome holidays every year? Or to work in a country that isn't your own?

If you don't know what you like, then try things out. Figure out if you do like them.

@eliquid posted a link to his awesome thread on figuring yourself out. That will at least give you avenues to explore in finding something that gets you excited.

In TMF, MJ talks about not needing to enjoy the process to get the goal. If I remember correctly, he didn't enjoy learning to code, but he wanted his goal, so he figured it out.
 

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I remember the shark tank quote: Follow the green, not the dream.

“Following ones passion” is a reincarnation of the hippies movement in the 60s into today’s business.

In choosing a business the needs/demand comes first. You do factor in personal interest and personal strength in choosing the field too, but the need is the prerequisite.
 

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