Vaccines Required to Fly - The Beginning of More Intensive Government Control

[AFMKelvin]

There is no "and", that's the answer he gave. What system do you propose, how could we realistically change it? Because you are a republic the states can still decide to do something about what they do not agree with. MJ is moving because of those reasons, right? To a state more friendly to what serves him, and that's great. You guys are free and have the opportunity to do that in this country. Companies move abroad where they can do business better, people move where taxes are lower, where it's more gun-friendly, etc. At least in that scenario you could say all the anti-vaxxers could be majority in some states, some other states would have more people that prefer to vaccinate, and the same with other issues. In reality I would say that's sort of how it works itself out more or less.

Otherwise again, honestly asking what do you think would be the solution in an actionable plan. Secession? That's the only thing I can think of at the moment, go Galt it? Again I'm just keeping it real here. Give me something other than a vague and ambiguous "do something" "fight the good fight".

And for the record, because I know it's a fallacy, I do know that majority of consensus doesn't make something right. I never claimed that. We can have an infinity of ethics-related discussions as to what is right and what is wrong for different people.



You need a certain percentage of people vaxinated in order to achieve herd immunity in the first place. Since this is a flu it's not going to be eradicated, but maybe a seasonal shot like we do with normal flu can lower the numbers and intensity to that of the flu, and then we can go back to "normal" (or closer to it) like they did in some other places. In a town, city or place where you and a few others are the only ones with a vaccine the disease is still going to be going around infecting people at a higher rate, causing people to call in sick more often, making children skip days of school, etc.

Again you could argue "my health isn't your responsibility" but from the other side people want to be able to be going around knowing there is less threat in the first place, especially the ones that would like the extra protection but cannot, such as immune-depressed people, people with respiratory diseases, elders, babies too young to be vaxinated, etc. If you have someone like that in your circles you probably wouldn't want that person to get it because they would be in trouble, even though most of of us just go past it just fine. I understand you guys believe in individualism, so do I, but man, I also care for my fellow neighbor some.

Now this could probably go with what I answered Kak, if a person has the opportunity moving to an area where there is more consensus on being vaxinated or vice versa this is probably the most practical and realistic solution.



I'm going to go with because it's not a pandemic and it's only recommended/requested that you take it if you go to certain places in Africa and South America. That's like you asking me why we're still not talking about Ebola. It's still killing people, so is Swine Flu, so is Malaria, so is Measles, it's just that it's under control, the whole globe isn't infected with it.



Not sure what you mean by "save a life" but this demonstration is pretty good on how the masks slow it down in closed spaces, I thought.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2azcn7MqOU





Seriously bro do you have anything to give me that isn't a personal attack? And I do not buy that you just eat apples or whatever every single day of your life or that you wash your hair and your hands with white vinegar.

Here's an article that is an insightful read regarding being a Constitutional Democracy/Republic: ‘America Is a Republic, Not a Democracy’ Is a Dangerous—And Wrong—Argument

I don't vouch for the article as a whole, I just think the part of what the Founding fathers published explaining what kind of government they wanted (basically the body of the article) sheds some light (can be fact checked by researching what they published) and aligns with what I'm saying, that it's supposed to be a CONTROLLED majority. Whether that is working efficiently nowadays is another topic by itself, like @Kak said.



Now I don't mean to be rude and just leave but I think we can agree that a ton of us should actually working on our Fastlane, I know I do if I want to quit my job.... so I'm just agreeing to disagree and hoping there can be some mutual understanding between people in general. Xoxo.

For someone who claims not to consume mainstream media you sure are linking plenty of it. Sorry I won't be reading a long winded explanation of some "journalist" telling me what type of government were under. The Constitution is written in plain English and I can read it from primary sources.

And yes I do make my own products like shampoos and deodorant from whole natural ingredients. I live in a farm where I grow my own food, from veggies to meat. I also don't drink nor allow my food to touch anything made of plastic because plastic releases some nasty chemicals. In fact I do my best to avoid anything made of plastic or heavily processed materials.

Now you're willing to compromised and find common ground but your first post was very divisive.

Lol? The US is a democratic republic. Democracy is an ideology whereas a republic is a form of government. They are not mutually exclusive.

No where is the word "democracy" mentioned in the Constitution. So no.

PS: We all know covid is a scientific experiment from the lizards that control governments which attempt to silence us with bio-weapons spread through the 5G network.

Duh.

Ridiculing those who won't go to the slaughter house. Typical.

it is insane the amount of time some users lost writing 3 pages of answer for something that does not matter.

And here it is. Someone who obviously doesn't care about freedoms telling those that do, what to think.

 

[AFMKelvin]

I don't know about the laws in Texas as I'm in Canada, but do you wear a mask when you go to the grocery store? Yes or no please.

No.

 

[AFMKelvin]

So I'm assuming Texas doesn't have a "mandatory mask" policy?

The state does not enforce mandatory masks on citizens. But they do enforce it on businesses. Most businesses don't care if you wear a mask or not, anymore.

 

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[MoneyDoc]

The state does not enforce mandatory masks on citizens. But they do enforce it on businesses. Most businesses don't care if you wear a mask or not, anymore.

Ah, okay.

 

[Deleted78083]

You're not American, so your input is pretty much null and void. This isn't about getting the vaccine to ride a plane. This is about the government using the vaccine as another step towards state oppression. If you were in America, and paying attention, of which neither appear to apply to you, it would be a readily apparent pattern to you as well.

You asked why taking the vaccine is required to fly, and I explained it wasn't about oppressing you, but about protecting other people.

But it is now apparent you weren't looking for an answer to your question, but for someone to tell you "yes omg if we don't fight, we'll be living in a communist bureaucracy in 5 years from now".

So I'll give you the answer you wanted.

Politicians get paid by big pharma and also own their stocks so when they force people to take the vaccine, it is money for them.

Also, the government stepping in gets people used to not being in charge of their lives, but to let the bureaucrats decide for them, so now, people will gradually become dependent on the state which will better be able to dictate what the population has to do since they will provide them with food and money, against obedience and support.

Being forced to take the vaccine is just the first step towards the establishment of socialism in America, with big government ruling everyone's lives.

 

[RoadTrip]

I'm trained as, and worked as, a biomedical engineer. I can tell you this vaccine scares the living shit out of me.

Can you elaborate on this? I’m in no ways familiar with biology and I am curious to know your stand on the different vaccines.

 

[AFMKelvin]

The mere fact that government officials are elected by citizens makes it a representative democracy.

Just because the constitution doesn't especifically say the word democracy, it doesn't mean that it's not. US legislation (including the Constitution) is full of democratic ideals.

Sorry buddy but you're clearly out of your depth here. For someone who seems so patriotic, you should treasure democracy more. It's the foundation of all free countries.

Sorry bud, but you're from Bolivia, I highly doubt you know about the US government more than those that live here. It seems like you're out of your depth here. The US President is elected by the electoral college who in turn are elected by their political parties. Until 1913 even those in Congress were elected by state legislatures.

Democracy and freedom are not mutually exclusive. In a democracy the 51% majority can oppress the other 49% minority. Imagine thinking you're smarter than the founding fathers who didn't foresee all the shortcomings of a democracy and somehow forgot to mention it in the Constitution.

"We The People" is the line you are looking for. It's right at the beginning, and its what made our establishment of a "republican form of government" a democratic republic, as opposed to an aristocratic republic (the Netherlands, Carthage) or a monarchical republic (various Roman examples, Poland, GB).

Oh look somone else interpreting the Constituion for us. Thanks bud, but we know how to read, we don't need to you to tell us what it says or what it means.

 

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[BellaPippin]

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