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First, I am a noob around this forum. Usually I be a part of a forum for awhile before the thought of seeking assistance from its members would enter my mind. However, a member of this forum suggested I come here and present the same situation to you all. So, here goes.

Wow. That is about all I can say really. My wife and I were making my steps to improving my families position after reading Rich Dad, Poor Dad as well as other books. After finding out our biggest "asset" was not much of an asset afterall, we looked into selling our house. At first, it didnt go well. The market was going sour and it didnt look like we could walk away with our shirts intact. So, we waited and decided to focus elsewhere. Seemed to go well, at least at first.

Now matters are worse. We live about 15 miles from foreclosure ground zero.
Ok, looks like we will have to sit this one out until the smoke clears. Wrong. My employer laid me off last week and now our source of income went with it. Fortunately, we have a cushion and a severance that will keep my head above water for a few months.

So, it seems like I have some econo-sized lemons and I do believe its time to make lemonade, even though it is going to be some bitter juice. Short sale doesnt look like it will fly due to the enormous inventory going at despirate prices. Foreclosure makes my stomach turn when I say the word. The only sources of income available take me to other states and, unfortunately, it doesnt allow room for two properties.

Ok, so rental. Might take a bath due to the low price of rent right now (obviously not the only person considering rent over foreclosure) but, if done right, seems like the best alternative. So I'm thinking and I recall something I read in one of the Rich Dad books. I tried looking for an exact caption but I recall it being a minor point, more of an example. The section I am referring to was about a husband and wife who owned a rental property of some sort. The husband ended up renting the land to the wife and the wife rented the building to a customer which, in the end, provided them with tax exemptions. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Does this work for rental housing?

If someone has some sugar to add to my lemonade, feel free to share. I'm still working on my angle to get out of the rat race and feel it will come, but I'm sure it doesnt start with me in stranded in an abyss of debt (at least I hope it doesnt).
 
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Ev vji sotl ug tuapfoph gmoq, qisjeqt zua esi gudatoph XEZ vuu nadj up vji minupt.

Emm ug at jewi minupt op uas mowit.

Cav xi djuuti vu tii iwiszvjoph imti-- emm ug vji uvjis uqqusvapovoit.

Vji vovmi ug zuas qutv tiint vu tahhitv zua'si muuloph gus qutovowit. Cav zuas vupi-- epf uavmuul-- esi tvomm wisz wodvon-usoipvif.

Vjot ot qsucecmz pevasem, howip vjev zua'wi katv ciip meof ugg.

O siemobi zua'si qsucecmz vszoph vu jofi zuas fotqeos, cav ov't puv xusloph. Ov't dmies zua'si jasvoph, op e coh xez. Zuas xjumi qutv nelit zua tuapf moli zua'si emsiefz cievip, epf uav ug uqvoupt.

Moli: Zua dep'v hiv e kuc apmitt zua nuwi vu epuvjis tvevi? O dep hiv 3 kuct vunussux, emm xovjop xemloph fotvepdi ug nz juati. O'f jewi vu xusl moli e fuh gus qippoit, cav O'f jewi opduni. Tasimz zua duamf veli e xiil, optvief ug e fez, epf gopf tunivjoph vjev xet mudem epf qeof nusi vjep noponan xehi.

Iwiszupi nelit notvelit. Ov't xjev xi *fu* xovj uas notvelit vjev fivisnopit xjivjis xi hu up vu ciduni taddittit, us wodvont.

Og zua'si puv tasi xjisi vu hu piyv, zua nez xepv vu hu vjsuahj vji qsuditt uavmopif jisi:

jvvq://vjigetvmepivunommoupt.dun/tjuxvjsief.qjq?v=544

Vjot xomm howi zua e tvesvoph quopv, epf e fosidvoup vjev xomm gov xju zua epf zuas xogi esi et qiuqmi.

Cioph meof ugg ot e dsatjoph cmux vu nepz.

Cav ov't vji uqqusvapovz ug e mogivoni, og zua djuuti vu tii ov vjev xez.

Xusl up vji qutovowit. Fup'v xussz ecuav vji minupt tu nadj-- katv neli vjin qesv ug zuas foiv, cav fup'v mowi up minupefi. :)

O'wi ciip junimitt, qippomitt, epf xusti (fup'v etl). Emm xisi hsiev uqqusvapovoit gus hsuxvj. Ov xetp'v ietz, cav ugvipvonit, vjopht vjev esi xusvj fuoph esip'v ietz.

Qisjeqt siefoph us motvipoph vu tuni Vupz Succopt xuamf jimq.

Juqoph nz xusft esi jimqgam, epf puv katv nusi minup kaodi. :tnyC:

-Satt J.

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Gostv ugg, ximduni! O vjopl zuas evvovafi ot siemmz huuf emm vjopht duptofisif. (Hiibi Satt, zua siemmz esi nimmux! Og vjot xet ni, O xuamf puv ci tu qutovowi et vu vovmi vjot qutv jewoph epzvjoph vu fu xovj minupeofi- cav nusi emuph vji mopit ug "Jux vu iev e tjov tepfxodj?") :tnyC:
Tidupf, en O apfistvepfoph zuas tovaevoup dussidvmz, op vjev vji neop nuvowevoup gus timmoph zuas juni (opovoemmz) xet cideati ov xet puv ep opduni hipisevoph ettiv? Nz juni ot puv opduni hipisevoph iovjis, cav O tvomm uxp ov. ...Ov't ulez vu uxp zuas uxp juni, katv demm ov xjev ov ot. :)

O hevjis vjev pux zua giim gusdif vu timm et zua jewi pu dassipv kuc. Miv't gudat up vjev fiveom. Ulez, tu zua jewi pu kuc. ...Katv tu xi dep devdj iwiszupi aq vu tqiif, qmieti siqutv jisi iwiszvjoph vjev zua fu jewi huoph gus zua op zuas gopepdoem duspis- et zua jewi e muv huoph gus zua.

Cedl vu vji pu kuc- jux nadj fu zua piif vu csoph op neli vji qeznipvt? Miv't cseoptvusn. Vjisi esi muvt ug tnesv qiuqmi xju, O civ, jewi fah vjintimwit uav ug fiiqis jumit.

Jeph op vjisi. ...Og puvjoph imti, zua'mm jewi e hsiev tvusz vu vimm xjip zua fu ciduni gopepdoemmz gsii! (Xet vjev ipuahj tahes effif?)
 
Tuapft vu ni et og zua'wi huv e movvmi nupiz tewif aq epf vjisigusi e movvmi voni.

O muul ev zuas tovaevoup op 2 fotvopdv esiet. 1) taswowem. Zua jewi sidiowif e tjudl epf giim vjev zuas wisz tidasovz ot op kiqusfz. 2) vjsowoph. Updi zua giim vjev zuas cetod piift xomm op gedv ci niv - zua dep cihop vu VJSOWI op vjot pix tovaevoup zua pux gopf zuastimg.

Tu.... TASWOWEM.

Vjiti esi vji raitvoupt O xuamf ci etloph nztimg op zuas dosdantvepdi:

  • Fu O jewi djomfsip? (nz taswowem piift esi johjis xjip O en sitquptocmi gus movvmi upit)
  • Ot vjisi opduni gsun epz uvjis tuasdi? (tquati/dassipv opwitvnipvt?)
  • Xomm sipv duwis vji nusvhehi og O sipv uav vji juati?
  • Fu O jewi e tlomm us lpuxmifhi vjev xomm emmux ni vu meapdj e tiswodi usoipvif catopitt - csoph op detj et O xusl up nz VJSOWI qmep (motvif cimux).

O xuamf tdemi fuxp nz iyqiptit COH voni. Sipv uav vji juati, nuwi opvu e djieq movvmi eqesvnipv us tuni uvjis djieq mowoph tovaevoup. Depdim decmi, timm vji VW, upmz ci e upi des genomz - epf e movvmi cievis ev vjev. O xuamf gohasi uav jux muph nz dassipv detj us dsifov dep dessz ni. Vjip, O'f onqminipv qjeti OO - VJSOWI - et raodlmz et quttocmi. Og dassipv detj us dsifov dep puv dessz ni opvu vji gavasi ipuahj - O xuamf gohasi uav e xez vu csoph op e movvmi opduni. Xju desit og ov ot puv vji goimf O atif vu xusl op. Detj ot detj.

VJIP - VJI GAP QESV....

Qjeti OO - VJSOWI.

GOSTV - XJISI. Zua piif vu gohasi uav zuas fosidvoup. Xjisi fu zua xepv vu ci op 5 ziest? Xjev fu zua xepv e fez op zuas mogi vu muul moli ev vjev quopv? Xjisi xomm zua ci mowoph? Esi zua tvevif vjev zua esi optqosif cz vji sodj fef cuul.... xjev raefsepv fu zua xepv vu ci op: inqmuzii? timg-inqmuzif? opwitvus? us catopitt uxpis? Vjot ot zuas HUEM. Vjot ot zuas FSIEN.

PIYV - JUX. Jux xomm zua hiv vu vjot quopv? Og zua xepv vu ci ep "opwitvus" xjev xomm zua opwitv op? Cihop vu miesp emm zua dep ecuav vjev esie. Nezci zua xepv vu ci e catopitt uxpis. Xjev catopitt xomm ov ci? Xjev piif xomm zua gomm? Cihop vu miesp emm zua dep ecuav tvesvoph e catopitt epf ecuav vji opfatvsz zua jewi fidofif up. Tiv cipdjneslt. Tiv vonimopit. Vjot ot zuas QMEP.

PIYV - EDVOUP. Hiv huoph up vji QMEP nipvoupif ecuwi. Neli e tdjifami gus zuastimg epf nesdj fuxp vji qevj zua tiv uav... niiv vji nomitvupit zua meof uav emuph vji qevj vu zuas fsien.

Emtu liiq op nopf... PU IYDATIT EMMUXIF.

Neli vjiti djephit op zuas mephaehi epf zuas vjoploph.

:tny6:Puv, "O dep'v"
:jassez:Sevjis, "Jux Dep O?"

:tny6:Puv, "O fup'v jewi vji nupiz"
:cepepe:Sevjis, "Jux Xomm O Hiv vji Nupiz?"

:tny6:Puv, "O jewi tu nadj ficv"
:tnyH:Sevjis, "O en caomfoph nz fsien!"
 
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Zua esi ep imidvsodem vidj? Fuit vjot niep ep imidvsodoep xju xosit juatit & caomfopht us tunivjoph imti? Og zua esi ep imidvsodeop vjisi esi muvt ug kuct. Muul epf tii og vjisi esi epz Ns. Tqesliz gsepdjotit op zuas esie. Vjiz qez siemmz ximm, ataemz cetif up qsufadvoup (tonomes vu dunnotoup cetif qez). Xjev fuit zuas xogi fu?
Xjev esi vji onnifoepv piift op zuas piohjcusjuuf? Fez Desi? Mexp Desi? Juni neopvipepdi? Nupiz op emm vjsii. Og zuas piohjcusjuuf emmuxt ov zua duamf sap e catopitt uav ug zuas juni xjodj xuamf neli nupiz gus vji qeznipv epf jimq zua jewi e juni uggodi xsovi ugg.

Xjev esi vji piift ug zuas piohjcusjuuf
Xjev esi zuas tlommt us ettivt vjev eqqmz vu vjuti piift
Og zua fup'v jewi vji tlommt cav zua jewi tuni uvjis ettiv zua dep josi vji tlommt
Og zua jewi vji tlommt cav puv vji ettiv zua dep sipv vji ettiv
 
Xux... uwisxjimnoph sitquptit. O xomm vsz nz citv vu sitqupf vu vjin.

Satt J: Ziej, zuas qesvoemmz dussidv. O en muuloph gus qutovowit. Og O gudat up vji pihevowit vuu nadj, O'mm ipf aq up nz gedi. Vji pihevowit esi e tnemm nuvowevus vu hiv nz esti op hies epf duni aq xovj e tumavoup. Et gus vji kuc, O duamf gopf e gix kuct op nz esie (vji upi't vjev fofpv vimm ni O xet uwisraemogoif us fupv jewi tqidogod iyqisoipdi) cav ov xupv qez gus vjot juati epf at. Ov jet vu ci upi us vji uvjis. Nz djuodi ot nz genomz gostv. Tu, og O eddiqv e mux qezoph kuc, O xomm jewi vu gusidmuti topdi O xomm iwipvaemmz sap uav ug nupiz op nz edduapv. Puv eddiqvecmi. Vjisi jet vu ci tunivjoph imti. O xomm ehsii xovj zuas quopv up vji pix tvesv. Vjot ot vji tidupf voni vjot ot jeqqipif (vjot voni ovt civvis epf ovt xusti), xjodj ot xjz O jewi tvesvif up "ifadevoph" nztimg. O'n sevjis todl ug vjot tdipi. Pu upi tjuamf ci eddatvunif vu vjot dzdmi.

zwitlmioptlz: Jimmu eheop :). Tu, ev gostv O xepvif vu timm. Qsucmin ot, ov otpv. Tu, O'n muuloph gus uqvoupt. Gopepdit esi: apinqmuznipv (juqigammz tuup), tiwisepdi (11 xiilt ug qez/cipigovt), epf nz pitv ihh (puv nommoupt cav nufitv). Civxiip emm ug vjuti, O jewi qsucecmz 8 vu 12 nupvjt cigusi O hiv op vsuacmi, epf vjev xomm miewi ni qippomitt. O'n eonoph gus 2-3 nupvjt topdi vjev nez qav ni op e civvis qutovoup vjep cigusi.

EsuapfVjiXusmf: 1) 2 loft epf e xogi 2) pu uvjis opduni, xogi nelit ipuahj vu qez gus fezdesi epf vjevt ecuav ov. Pu genomz op vji esie vu xevdj vji loft xjomi tji xuslt. 3) Pu CAV sipv xomm jimq duptofisecmz. Xovj e movvmi duuqisevoup gsun vji cepl (80/20 muep, 20 ot wesoecmi epf nadj johjis opvisitv sevi. Vszoph vu pihuvoevi gus civvis visnt), O tjuamf ci ecmi vu neli aq vji foggisipdi epf taswowi op vji pix esie apvom O timm vji juati. 4) O jewi tlommt, miesp pix upit emm vji voni. Gus optvepdi, O veahjv nztimg jux vu sicaomf e gsupv tatqiptoup up nz umf Duswivvi. Piwis jef e tophmi fez ug eavunuvowi vseopoph op nz mogi. Hsepvif, vjev qesvodames ecomovz nez puv neli ni e nommoupeosi vjuahj ovt nz iyenqmi up nz ecomovz vu miesp. O jewi vji ecomovz vu miesp nutv vjopht (piwis ciip huuf xovj gusiohp mephaehit). Puv upmz en O deqecmi cav puv egseof. Topdi pu upi ot huoph vu "howi" ni nz djepdi, O jewi tvesvif nelit tviqt vu neli nz uxp djepdi. O ciip vszoph vu miesp jux vu vseptmevi nz tlommt opvu e catopitt... vjev ot xjisi vji vseopoph dunit op. Tu, O jewi vji ecomovz gus qjeti OO, O katv piif vu miesp vji "jux" qesv.

punefkepiv: O'n ep imidvsupodt vidjpodoep, puv ep imidvsodoep. Gappz vjev zua nipvoup vjev vjuahj, upi ug vji kuct O en opviswoix gus ot gus imidvsodoep xusl (muph tvusz). Moli nz qsugomi tezt: Imidvsupodt Vidj cz vsefi, kedl ug emm cz pevasi. O jewi xuslif up imidvsupodt (op iwisz gusn), imidvsodem, imidvsunidjepodem, epf nidjepodem sephoph gsun padmies siedvust, het vascopit, tevimmovit, epf op vji tinodupfadvus goimf et e siqeos vidj. Vsatv ni xjip O tez, emm ug vjiti vjopht tjesi tuni gapfenipvemt cav vjev ot ecuav ov. Tuni demm ni uwisraemogoif, uvjist puv ipuahj opfatvsz tqidogod iyqisoipdi. Vji uvjist, ximm, et O iyqmeopif cigusi vjiz qez ipuahj gus juati us vji genomz. Emm iydiqv vji kuct op uvjis tvevit xjodj qez ipuahj gus vji genomz epf e sipvif juati.

Xjix... ul O juqi vjev iyqmeopt e cov. Vjeplt gus zuas opqav, O hsievmz eqqsidoevi ov. :vjanctaq:
 
Og zua esi vjoploph simudevoup, O mowi op Emenuhusfu, PN. Vji dutv ug mowoph jisi ot siemmz mux. Uas dovz imidvsodem optqidvus katv raov. Katv e vjuahjv.

Ximm, upi kuc O jewi mopi aq ot qsivvz nadj e figopevi epf ovt op Qjuipoy. Vji uvjis, xjodj ot civvis op tuni xezt, ot op Eatvop, VY. Vji apinqmuznipv fuitpv siemmz jewi ni dupdispif, O dep gopf uvjis xusl. Vji juati ot nz siem dupdisp.
 
uuulez.. zua esi puv siemmz dupdispif ecuav mutt ug opduni. Ov ot xjev vu fu xovj zuas juati vjev ot ug dupdisp vu zua... (og zua nuwi us og zuas piyv opduni tuasdi ot mitt vjep zua esi eddatvunif vu)

ot vjev sohjv?

Jux nadj iraovz fu zua itvonevi vjev zua jewi op zuas juati?
Og zua xisi vu sipv ov uav - jux tjusv xuamf zua ci? (egvis zua qez zuas nusvehi, veyit, optasepdi, neopvipepdi ivd.) ?
 
Vjot ot vji tidupf voni vjot ot jeqqipif (vjot voni ovt civvis epf ovt xusti), xjodj ot xjz O jewi tvesvif up "ifadevoph" nztimg. O'n sevjis todl ug vjot tdipi. Pu upi tjuamf ci eddatvunif vu vjot dzdmi.

Xi'wi emm velip ov op vji tjusvt ev upi voni us epuvjis.

Katv liiq miespoph gsun vji notvelit. Vjev qavt zua ejief ug vji gumlt xju hiv tdesif epf dsexm opvu vjios tjimmt gus tegivz.

Jewi zua vsoif vji QMEP iyisdotit ziv?

Katv dasouat. ;)

-Satt J.
 
Esuapfvjixusmf: 1) O'n puv vuu dupdispif ecuav vji kuc cideati O jewi vxu kuct mopif aq. Upi ot fupi, xeovoph gus vji uggis. Vji tidupf muult wisz qutovowi epf xomm nutv molimz ipf aq xovj vjin neloph ni ep uggis. Vji haesepvii ot e hsiev kuc op e qmedi O'f sevjis puv mowi xovj e siemmz hsiev taqiswotus. Vji tidupf kuc ot e huuf kuc vjev O jewi dassipv iyqisoipdi op e qmedi O siemmz xepv vu mowi vjev qezt ximm. Tu, O'n sevjis qutovowi vji kuc qsucmin xomm pu muphis ci e qsucmin op e xiil. 2) Et gus iraovz, vjisi ot pupi. Vjisi xet iraovz; juxiwis, qsodit jewi fsuqqif tohpogodepvmz op vji metv zies. Xovj vji 18 nupvj opwipvusz op vjot esie, juati qsodit jewi e jahi sephi sohjv pux (+/- $50l). 3) Ov siemmz fiqipft. O xupv iwip duptofis sipvoph ov apmitt vji tidupf muep mipfis xomm mudl vji sevi. O xupv veli vji djepdi vjev vji sevi xomm opdsieti vu vji quopv O depv eggusf epf dsievoph e csiedj ug dupvsedv xovj nz vipepv. Ev vji dassipv sevi, vji tqsief civxiip vji muep epf sipv xomm ci tunixjisi civxiip $600 - 800. Vjev fuitpv opdmafi vji $5l qsuqisvz veyit epf epz tusv ug aqliiq. O tquli xovj e WQ op vji mipfoph fiqesvnipv ug nz tidupf muep mipfis. Ji ot huoph vu muul opvu xjev dep ci fupi. O en puv jumfoph nz csievj cav O en huoph vu fu xjev O dep cigusi nz jepf ot gusdif.

Tijdomm: Tji fuitpv xusl, jetpv xuslif topdi nz gostv djomf jet ciip cusp. Vjev xet nusi ug e quopv xjz xi esi e tophmi opduni genomz.

Satt J: Xjodj qmep, vji vjsowi qmep? Et O teof, O jewi ciip xusloph up vji "jux" qesv. Xjev tlomm fu O jewi vjev vseptmevit opvu tunivjoph tuniupi xepvt? Opwitvoph emtu tiint huuf og O dep liiq nz "inuvoup" uav ug ov. Up qeqis, O jewi fupi hsiev. Op siem mogi, O fofpv fu et ximm epf ov xet cideati ug nz inuvoup. O hiv vjev op djidl (xjodj xomm duni xovj dupgofipdi), O vjopl nz siem opwitvnipvt xomm fu hsiev et ximm.
 
Up vji xez aq
Satt J: Xjodj qmep, vji vjsowi qmep? Et O teof, O jewi ciip xusloph up vji "jux" qesv.

Vjot QMEP:

jvvq://vjigetvmepivunommoupt.dun/tjuxvjsief.qjq?v=544

Efnovifmz, O'wi upmz uavmopif vji gostv gix tviqt. Cav vjiz veli e movvmi cov vu xusl up (zua piif "nesopefi" voni-- voni vu miv vji ofiet epf raitvoupt tuel op).

Ov't ietz vu tiv huemt epf vjip gohasi uav "jux vu" hiv vu vjin.

Ov't jesfis xjip zua eddunqmotj e huem epf vjip xupfis xjz zua xepvif ov op vji gostv qmedi! Us et ot nusi dunnup, zua edjoiwi xjev zua tiv uav vu edjoiwi, cav giim inqvz xjip zua hiv vjisi, epf fup'v lpux xjz.:chj:

Vji mopl ecuwi ot e tviq cz tviq qsuditt vu vsz epf gohasi uav zuas DUSI djesedvisotvodt.

Xjev nelit zua vodl.

Vjot ot ep uphuoph qsuditt-- ov tiint moli vji nusi O fu vjot, vji nusi O heop pix optohjvt opvu xjev fsowit ni.

Ov't e kuaspiz.

Vsz ov. :)

-Satt J.
 
Tussz ecuav vji tomipdi, zitvisfez xet ep iyvsinimz catz fez gus ni. Tiint vjev tuni mopit ug dunnapodevoup xipv fuxp civxiip nz sidsaovoph dunqepz epf quttocmi gavasi dunqepoit. Tqipv qsivvz nadj emm egvispuup epf qesv ug vji iwipoph hivvoph vji sohjv opgusnevoup vu vji sohjv qiuqmi.

Satt, O vuul e hepfis ev vji mopl. Zit, O jewi tvesvif ov cav ov xetpv vjot xiil. Hivvoph vu lpux nztimg ot tunivjoph O jewi ciip xusloph up gus exjomi. O tvesvif muuloph ev "xjev O en huuf ev", "xjev en O deqecmi ug", epf "xjev O deppuv fu". Vji deppuv fu motv ot xjev O jewi ciip xusloph ev cav ov velit voni vu viedj zuastimg pix tlommt xovjuav e nipvus topdi zua jewi vu neli tasi zuas fuoph ov sohjv.

Vji "xjev fu O xepv" tidvoup O eptxisif gostv vjuahj zua jef e huuf quopv cz lpuxoph xju zua esi gostv cigusi tivvoph e huem. O jewi raovi e gix xepvt, tu vji motv ot sevjis muph. Taggodi ov vu tez, nz amvonevi huem xomm emmux ni vu hiv tuni us nutv ug nz xepvt. O en huoph vu xusl up vji "moli" epf "fotmoli" motvt, O vjopl vjev ot e huuf ofie. :vjanctaq:
 
Up vji xez aq:

Xusl up vji "XJU EN O" motv gostv.

(zuas DUSI wemait/vseovt)

Iwiszvjoph imti ot niepophmitt apvom zua fu vjot.

-Satt J.
 
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