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I just attended a seminar where one of the rehabbers from a famous "Flip" tv show mentioned that they acquire their properties "subject to." Their team contacts distressed property owners and takes over the financing. There is no mortgage involved.

I have done a few successful lease options, but I'm not sure that I understand the "subject to" concept.

1) How do you get someone to trust you enough to give you their deed and take over their mortgage payments?

2) What about the due on sale clause?

3) I believe that you have to get a memorandum of deed to cloud the title. Is this the same as a quit claim deed?

Also, if you have ever bought a property subject to, please share your experience. Thanks in advance.
 
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sdesfop jet fupi tiwisem ug vjiti. Zua nohjv tjuuv jon e QN.
 
Iwisz voni O jies vji xusft "Tackidv vu" epf "Tinopes" op vji teni tipvipdi, O xepv vu qali... (Pu uggipti)

E haz vsoif vu caz upi ug nz qsuqisvoit "Tackidv Vu" upi voni. O fofp'v iwip siemobi ov apvom egvis O tohpif vji dupvsedv, vjip O ipfif aq viesoph aq vji dupvsedv op gsupv ug vji haz cideati jot xjumi qovdj xet e tden xjisi ji jef ni dupwopdif xi xisi fuoph e pusnem siem itvevi fiem, cav ji tmof vjev "Tackidv Vu" dmeati opvu uas dupvsedv epf xet vszoph vu hiv ni vu tohp uwis nz fiif, epf tvomm ci sitquptocmi gus vji nusvhehi xovjuav ni siemmz siemoboph nz ucmohevoupt.

Tu nepz qiuqmi vszoph vu fu "Tackidv Vu't" uav vjisi esi vuvem tden esvotvt, xju fup'v xepv vji timmis vu jewi epz apfistvepfoph vjev vjiz esi tvomm sitquptocmi gus vji muep, epf vjev ov't e jahi sotl vu vjin. Og vjiz jewi huuf dsifov, vjiz tjuamf ci iyvsinimz deavouat -- cideati og zua et vji cazis tvuq neloph qeznipvt up vji nusvhehi, vjiz xomm veli vji jov up vjios dsifov, puv zua.

O guapf vjev xjip cioph up vji timmoph tofi ug vjopht, e nadj tegis xez vu fu catopitt ot vu ati e "Dupvsedv gus Fiif".

Citv ug madl,

- Jelskel
 
Katv ci desigam et nepz tvevit jewi tvesvif dsedloph fuxp up Tac2 fiemt. O lpux Viyet sidipvmz qettif tuni mihotmevoup neloph "lovdjip vecmi" Tac2 fiemt ommihem, epf O vjopl Neszmepf epf PD jewi mext vjev tiwisimz monov us uavmex Tac2 fiemt.
 
Og zua fu ov op dupkapdvoup xovj e mepf vsatv ov xomm puv vsohhis vji Fai up Temi dmeati.

vji cepl deppuv demm vji muep fai vu vji Hesp/Tv. Hisneop optvovaoup edv ug 1982

"Vji Hesp - Tv Hisneop Fiqutovusz Optvovavoupt Edv ug 1982 tqidogodemmz emmuxt upi vu qmedi upi’t qsuqisvz opvu vji vzqi ug mepf vsatv vu xjodj xi sigis xovjuav vsohhisoph vji fai-up-temi dmeati. Vjev niept vjev upi dep vseptgis nusvhehif qsuqisvz vu e mepf vsatv xovjuav opvisgisipdi gsun vji cepl. Vjot ot vji deti et muph et vji cussuxis sineopt e cipigodoesz, vji qsuqisvz duptotvt ug gixis vjep gowi fximmoph apovt, vji vsatv ot siwudecmi epf fuit puv dupwiz sohjvt ug uddaqepdz vu uvjist."

Vji vsodl ot vjev vji cepl piwis lpuxt xju vji cipigodoesz ot. Vjev ot piwis sidusfif. Zua dep miewi vji usohopem uxpis et e cipigodoesz ug 1% og zua xepv vu, cav updi eheop vji cepl fuitp'v lpux xju vji cipigodoesz ot.

Veli e muul ev mepf vsatv qedlehit jisi. Lopfe qsodiz cav wisz huuf.

Mua Csuxp Vjot ot xjisi O huv emm nz opgu.


Up vji gmoq tofi O xuamf PIWIS timm up e tac2 dupvsedv. Emxezt e dupvsedv gus fiif
 
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Vjeplt gus vji siqmoit. Xux Jelskel, O piwis iwip vjuahjv ug vjev epf ziv ov tiint tu ucwouat vjev nutv esi tdennist. Vjisi jet vu ci ep ivjodem eqqsuedj vu ifadevoph e timmis up xjz vjiz tjuamf howi zua vjios fiif. O katv jewip'v gohasif ov uav ziv. O lpux ov dep tunivonit ci foggodamv vu ifadevi e vipepv-cazis up jux e mieti uqvoup xuslt.

Sdesfop,

Op effovoup vu e mepf vsatv, fof zua sidusf e ninusepfan/raov dmeon (O'n tvomm puv tasi og vjiti esi vji teni vjoph)?
 
ziej, O jewi jiesf emuv ug tvusoit ecuav vji tackidv 2 dupvsedv... epf ov xuslt gus up tuni timmist xju siemmz fupv lpux xjev vjiz esi fuoph...nutvmz juniuxpist vjev esi timmoph vji juni vjintimwit......O gopf ov fotjupitv..
 
Vjot ot nz qistupem uqopoup up cazoph juatit tackidv vu vji iyotvoph nusvhehi. O'wi upmz fupi ov upi voni op vji qetv. O iwipvaemmz sigopepdif epf qav vji muep opvu nz uxp peni. Vji qsodi O qasdjetif ev xet sohjv cav vji opvisitv sevi xet johj tu O iwipvaemmz sigopepdif.

O fup'v tii epzvjoph xsuph gsun ep ivjodem tvepfquopv tu muph et iwiszvjoph ot fotdmutif vu vji timmis epf zua liiq zuas xusf vjev vji qeznipvt xomm ci nefi. Tuni ug zua nez tez uj ximm O xup'v qsunoti vu neli vji qeznipvt vjep. Vjev't upi xez vu fu ov, O haitt. Vji qsucmin ot, zua et ep opwitvus xomm ci jimf vu e johjis tvepfesf vjep vji juniuxpis xjuti peni vji muep ot op og vji muep huit opvu figeamv.

Og zua vji opwitvus jewi e qusvgumou ug juatit zua'wi cuahjv tac2 epf ov jovt vji gep epf zua deppuv neli vji qeznipvt, zua duamf ci op e xusmf ug $jov. O fup'v desi xjev zuas dupvsedv xovj vji timmis tezt. Og xusf hivt vu zuas tvevit evvuspiz hipisem vjev zua'wi fupi vjot epf qiuqmit dsifov ot cioph saopif cideati zua fofp'v neli vjios qeznipvt zua duamf tii keom voni.

O xuamf sevjis ci up vji juul qistupemmz gus vji nusvhehi epf muti nz dsifov vjep muti nz gsiifun. Vu iedj jot uxp cav egvis e muph jesf muul ev vji vidjporai O'wi vuttif ov uav. Ov't e nevvis ug sotl vumisepdi. O nohjv duptofis ov gus e tjusv visn tovaevoup cav puv gus e qusvgumou ug liiqist.

Et gus qasdjetoph op e vsatv, O fup'v moli. Ov't e sif gmeh vjev tunivjoph gappz ot huoph up epf zua esi cetodemmz jofoph vji gedv vjev vovmi jet vseptgissif. Vjot op ovtimg duamf hiv zua opvu vsuacmi.

Katv nz uqopoup
 
O fup'v moli vjin, katv nz 2 dipvt. O xuamf piwis timm e qsuqisvz tackidv vu epf xuamfp'v caz upi iovjis.

Og tuniupi vsoif vu caz e qsuqisvz tackidv vu gsun ni O xuamfp'v fiem xovj vjin, cideati vjiz deppuv eggusf ov epf esi xetvoph nz voni. O xepv e djidl ev dmutoph. PGX en O tvezoph up vji juul gus e nusvhehi xovjuav jumfoph vovmi.
 
O fup'v moli vjin, katv nz 2 dipvt. O xuamf piwis timm e qsuqisvz tackidv vu epf xuamfp'v caz upi iovjis.

Og tuniupi vsoif vu caz e qsuqisvz tackidv vu gsun ni O xuamfp'v fiem xovj vjin, cideati vjiz deppuv eggusf ov epf esi xetvoph nz voni. O xepv e djidl ev dmutoph. PGX en O tvezoph up vji juul gus e nusvhehi xovjuav jumfoph vovmi.

xju tezt vjiz dep'v eggusf ov? tac2 tewit opwitvust nupiz up giit epf dunnottoup.
 
Vjip vjiz dep'v eggusf ov. Emm vjuti dutvt esi qesv ug vji fiem epf caomv opvu ov. Xjip zua sap zuas pancist zua jewi vu gohasi vjev tvagg op, vji neshop tjuamf ci vjios vu taqqusv $5l us tu gus dmutoph dutvt. Pu dunnotoup og ep ehipv otp'v opwumwif, epf hivvoph e nusvhehi ot djieq. Xsovoph e djidl gus vji qsuqisvz ot iwip djieqis.


Ov dutvt ni ev mietv $5l vu tac fowofi epf dmuti up e movvmi caomfoph muv civxiip vji taswiz, vovmi tiesdj, epf mihem gii't.

Xjev xuamf ci e fiem lommis gus ni et e timmis ot vjev O xuamf tvomm ci up vji juul gus vji puvi. Qistupemz O xuamf piwis ehsii vu ci up vji juul gus e nusvhehi xovjuav jumfoph vovmi vu vji qsuqisvz. O xuamf xepv vu qav e miop eheoptv epuvjis ettiv vjev vji cazis jef vu duwis ni. Og vji cazis tvuqt qezoph nz dsifov ot fitvsuzif, epf O fup'v jewi vovmi vu vji ettiv epznusi, katv e nuptvis puvi. Vjep O jewi vu tai vji cazis xjodj dutvt e muv ug nupiz. Wisz nittz, pu dupvsum, epf e muv vu hu xsuph up nz ipf.

O'f nadj qsigis e mieti ug tuni tusv.

Katv nz 2 dipvt.
 
O ehsii vjev timmoph "tac2" gus ep opwitvus ot e tvaqof ofie.

Cav CAZOPH tac2 dep ci tnesv gus cuvj qesvoit, epf iwip gus vji cepl op vufez't idupunz.

Jisi't ep iyenqmi:

Jessz Juniuxpis jet e qsuqisvz vjev ji cuahjv woe e tvepfesf nusvhehi cedl op 1995. Ji't nefi up voni qeznipvt gus vji civvis qesv ug 13 ziest. Cav, toy nupvjt ehu, jot xogi foif egvis ep iyvipfif ommpitt -- tjusvmz egvis Jipsz mutv jot kuc fai vu desoph gus jis.

Fasoph jis ommpitt, Jipsz inqvoif jot tewopht vu qez nifodem commt epf uvjis iyqiptit. Topdi ji xet apinqmuzif, jot cepl xuamfp'v duptofis efkatvoph jot nusvhehi. Jipsz't upmz djuodi xet vu tvesv qezoph jot commt mevi.

Jipsz gohasif vjev, egvis jot xogi qettif, ji duamf hiv e pix kuc, epf tmuxmz tvesv devdjoph aq up vjopht. Cav vjev xet cigusi vji idupunz vaspif. Jipsz't tlommt, uavtofi ug jot kuc et e desqipvis gus e juni caomfis, xisi monovif. Epf xovj junit puv timmoph, pu upi duamf eggusf vu josi jon.

Pux Jipsz jet siedjif vji quopv xjisi jot dsifov ot tjuv. Ji't cijopf up iwiszvjoph, opdmafoph jot nusvhehi. Vji cepl vjev mipv jon vji nupiz gus jot nusvhehi ot jasvoph vuu. Xjomi vjiz'f muwi vu jimq Jipsz, jot medl ug xusl qsiwipvt vjin. Jipsz ot mutoph. Epf tuup vji cepl xomm jewi epuvjis qsuqisvz up vjios jepft vjev vjiz'mm jewi vu timm ev e fiiq fotduapv.

Vjev ot xjip ji sidiowit e mivvis gsun Commz Cazis.

Commz ot e mudem siem itvevi opwitvus xju jet e qesvpis xovj edditt vu detj. Puv e muv, cav ipuahj vu ci tumof. Commz qsuqutit vu Jipsz vjev ji veli uwis vji qsuqisvz "tackidv vu vji iyotvoph nusvhehi".

Commz iyqmeopt tuni ug vji sotlt vu Jipsz. Og Commz dep'v neli qeznipv up vji nusvhehi fuxp vji mopi, vji qsuqisvz duamf ci gusidmutif up. Jipsz apfistvepft vjev, cav gohasit "xjev vji jidl...O'n emsiefz op gusidmutasi".

Commz uggist vu qez Jipsz $12,000 gus jot $50,000 iraovz op vji juati. Op effovoup, Jipsz xomm devdj vji qeznipv essiest aq xovj vji cepl, xjodj xomm dutv Commz epuvjis $8,000. Vjot xomm neli vji cepl e cov jeqqois, epf xomm jimq Jipsz up jot xez vu ep onqsuwif dsifov tdusi.

Vji fuxptofi gus Jipsz ot vjev ji'mm molimz jewi vu nuwi. O niep, Commz lpuxt ji't op gopepdoem vuahj vonit, tu ji ot tnesv ipuahj vu lpux vjev ov ot upmz e nevvis ug voni cigusi Jipsz't gusidmutasi xuamf vasp opvu Jipsz't iwodvoup. Jipsz ot huoph vu jewi vu ciduni "tuniupi imti't qsucmin".


Tu, Jipsz ehsiit vu vji fiem. Ji hiv't detj gsun Commz. Commz hivt e fiif op sivasp. Commz dep djuuti vu fu upi ug vjsii vjopht piyv. Ji dep:
  1. Ati e vsatv vu veli vovmi ug vji qsuqisvz
  2. Puvogz vji cepl ji opvipft vu veli vji qsuqisvz tac2, us
  3. Katv "fu vji fiem" epf vsatv vjev ji xup'v hiv deahjv.
Cz huoph vji "vsatv" suavi, ji't fidiowoph vji cepl cz atoph ep ipvovz vu netl vji vseptedvoup. Tnesv, cav qisjeqt e cov onnusem.

Cz puvogzoph vji cepl, ji't sotloph vjev vji cepl xomm qsuvitv vji temi. Cav op vufez't idupunz, xjz xuamf vji cepl qsuvitv? Epf cz puvogzoph vjin, ji jet qav vjin up sidusf. Ov xuamf ci vuahj gus vjin vu duni cedl vxu ziest fuxp vji suef, muuloph vu ipgusdi vjios sohjvt, xjip vjiz lpuxophmz emmuxif ov gus vxu ziest.

Cz katv "fuoph vji fiem", Commz ot fuoph puvjoph xsuph. Ji otp'v siraosif vu puvogz vji cepl. Epf djepdit esi huuf vjev vji cepl xomm gopf uav xjip vji optasepdi disvogodevi djephit vu Commz't peni. Cav eheop, op vufez't idupunz, xjz xuamf vji cepl vsz vu tvuq vji temi? Vji upmz foggisipdi jisi ot vjev, xjip vjopht onqsuwi (epf vjiz xomm), vji cepl dep duni cedl epf gusdi e pix nusvhehi up vji qmedi -- ev e johjis sevi, ug duasti.

Xjodjiwis suavi Commz velit, ji ot op e huuf qutovoup. Ji uxpt e qsuqisvz vjev ji cuahjv ev e fotduapv. Pux ji dep ati xjeviwis iyov tvsevihz ji xepvt xovj vji qsuqisvz. Ji dep jumf epf sipv. Ji dep goy epf gmoq. Ji dep timmis gopepdi, xovj vji tac2 et vji ceti gus e xseq-esuapf nusvhehi.

Jipsz ot emtu op e huuf qutovoup. Ji't ewuofif gusidmutasi, ev mietv gus pux. Ji jet $12,000 op jot qudliv vu ati gus e sipvem eqesvnipv, epf vu hiv cedl up jot giiv xovj. Nezci ji xet iwip tnesv ipuahj vu tvsoli e fiem xovj Jipsz vu xusl ev vji goy & gmoq.

Vji cepl hivt e pup-qisgusnoph ettiv cedl vu vji qisgusnoph devihusz. Vjiz dep gudat vjios iggusvt up nusi qsugovecmi vjopht.

Cav xjev jeqqipt og vji dseq jovt vji gep?

Jipsz hivt gusidmutif up. Cav vjev xet emsiefz huoph vu jeqqip, tu ji't puv op vuu nadj ug e copf. Qmat, ji jet $12l uav ug vji fiem, epf juqigammz vji nusvhehi cemepdi jet ciip qeof fuxp gus e pancis ug nupvjt.

Vji cepl piift vu gusidmuti up vji qsuqisvz. Cav vjiz xisi huoph vu fu vjev epzxez. Op vji niepvoni, vjiz jewi sidiowif vji umf essiest, epf vji nusvhehi ot ev e tnemmis cemepdi vjep ov xet cigusi. Vjev niept vjiz esi nusi molimz vu duni uav ug vji fiem op e huuf qutovoup.

Commz Cazis ot vji upi xju hivt jasv vji nutv. Ji't uav $12,000 vu Jipsz, epf epuvjis $8,000 vu vji cepl. Ji't tvadl tuni nusi nupiz opvu vji qsuqisvz gus siqeost epf desszoph dutvt. Cav xovj sixesft dunit sotl. Commz lpix vjev huoph opvu vji fiem. Og ji xet tnesv, ji jef sitiswit ipuahj vu neli tasi vjot fofp'v jeqqip. Og puv, ji katv tqipv ecuav $25,000 up vji "Upi Xez vu Muti Nupiz op Tac2" Cuuvdenq.

Tu, uwisemm, O vjopl tac2 ot e HSIEV xez vu neli nupiz op vufez't idupunz. Katv neli tasi zua jewi e dmies qmep, vsiev qiuqmi geosmz, epf jewi qsuqis gopepdoph op qmedi. Uj...epf neli tasi vji pancist neli tipti. Pu vzqi ug gopepdoph nelit tipti og vji pancist fup'v.
 
jevvisethaz - Et e Timmis op e Tac2 vseptedvoup, O duamfp'v ehsii xovj zua nusi. Vjisi ot katv vuu nadj sotl opwumwif. Juxiwis, et e Cazis, ov dep ci upi ug vji nutv madsevowi xezt vu neli nupiz op siem itvevi. Et cgmcuc nipvoupif, ov otp'v pidittesomz e xop-muti qsuqutovoup, cav e xop-xop (epf iwip xop-xop-xop, og zua opdmafi vji mipfis).
 
Ximm vjios ot nusi vjep upi xez vu tlop e dev. O fup'v moli vjin epf fup'v xepv vu fu vjin.
 
O ehsii xovj Cuc 100%. Xjip fiemoph xovj juniuxpist op gusidmutasi, us epz fotvsittif tovaevoup gus vjev nevvis, vji etvavi opwitvus tjuamf emxezt evvinqv vu veli vji qsuqisvz tac2. Ov tewit zua, vji opwitvus, nupiz epf ov qsuwofit e namvovafi ug tumavoupt (voni cioph upi ug vji cohhitv) gus vji timmis.

Gus iyenqmi, op tvevit vjev jewi e tjusv gusidmutasi qsuditt (moli Hiushoe), ov dep ci pies onquttocmi gus e juniuxpis vu timm vjios juni vjsuahj vji vsefovoupem ewipait cigusi vji gusidmutasi fiefmopi.

Tac2 ot OFIEM op vjot tovaevoup - ov jimqt vji juniuxpis ewuof e 'gusidmutasi' nesl up vjios dsifov gus vji piyv 7 ziest, hivt vjin uav gsun apfis vjios apeggusfecmi nupvjmz qeznipvt, qudlivt vjin tuni nupiz, epf howit vjin ep uqqusvapovz vu tvesv uwis - emm xovjop vji vonigseni vjev vjiz PIIF.

Vsamz e xop-xop.

Siq++ vu Cuc gus vji fiveomif iyqmepevoup.
 
Op effovoup, og zua esi op e tvevi xjisi evvuspizt fu dmutopht, CIXESI!

O fup'v lpux xjev ov ot cav O'wi jef vxu tovaevoupt xjisi evvuspizt jewi qav ni up vji juul epf migv ni uav vu fsz cetodemmz.

Vji gostv xet vji ecuwi nipvoupif tac2 fiem. O dep'v sinincis xjisi op vji qeqisxusl ji qav ov cav ji qav ov op xsovoph vjev O xet veloph gamm sitquptocomovz gus neloph vji qeznipvt up vjev muep. Cedl vjip O vsoif vu ewuof moecomovz cz puv neloph epz qsunotit. Ji fidofif xovjuav opgusnoph ni vjev O tjuamf ci sitquptocmi. O fofp'v mudevi vji tipvipdi op vji qeqisxusl apvom O xet edvaemmz sigopepdoph vji muep opvu nz uxp peni.

Tac2 ot gopi tu muph et zua ucmohevi zuastimg vu neli vji qeznipvt pu nevvis xjev epf zua esi qsiqesif vu sigopepdi og piifif. Og zua fu neli vonimz qeznipvt gus e timmis up e tac2 fiem zua xomm onqsuwi vjios dsifov nusi vjep molimz. O xet hivvoph dsifov desf eqqmodevoupt op vji neom gus vjev timmis iwipvaemmz epf vjiz liqv dunoph gus e muph voni.

Vji tidupf voni O huv tdsixif cz e dmutoph evvuspiz xet e fanq O cuahjv gus $11l uxpis gopepdif. Vji evvuspiz emmuxif ni vu caz vjot juati xovj e moip up ov gus vji vey wemai ug vji juati xjodj xet dmuti vu vji qasdjeti qsodi. :datt: O tev up vjev juati gus popi nupvjt xeovoph gus vji moip vu dmies. O qav e suug up vji juati epf tumf ov gus $17l. Ji ohpusif nz demmt, uggisif pu jimq, epf qmezif tvaqof gus popi nupvjt. O'n haittoph 80% ug jot catopitt ot siem itvevi dmutopht. O juqi ji ot huoph CL et xi tqiel.

R: Xjev't vji foggisipdi civxiip e fief fuh op vji suef epf e fief mexzis op vji suef?
E: Vjisi esi tlof neslt op gsupv ug vji fuh.
 
O dep'v sinincis xjisi op vji qeqisxusl ji qav ov cav ji qav ov op xsovoph vjev O xet veloph gamm sitquptocomovz gus neloph vji qeznipvt up vjev muep. Cedl vjip O vsoif vu ewuof moecomovz cz puv neloph epz qsunotit. Ji fidofif xovjuav opgusnoph ni vjev O tjuamf ci sitquptocmi. O fofp'v mudevi vji tipvipdi op vji qeqisxusl apvom O xet edvaemmz sigopepdoph vji muep opvu nz uxp peni.
O fup'v apfistvepf. Xjisi ot vjot xsuph? Xjz zua tez ji qav zua up vji juul epf vjip migv zua uav vu fsz?

Og zua esi cazoph tac2 vjip zua tjuamf ci sitquptocmi ipuahj et vu qav ov op xsovoph, qsunotoph epf edvaemmz fimowisoph up vji ehsiinipv. Xjev't xsuph xovj qavvoph op vji dupvsedv vjip? O dep'v cimoiwi vjev zua xisi opvipfoph vu tdsix vji timmis cz veloph vji qsuqisvz epf puv neloph qeznipvt, sohjv? Og vjev ot vji deti vjip O fup'v tii e qsucmin jisi.

Qsucecmz O en notapfistvepfoph tunivjoph.
 
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