Sleep Habits Cause Liver Damage (I was shocked when I read this)

[royalflush]

Hi guys,

I'd just like to share one of the posts I shared in my facebook page a couple of months ago. I got 819 shares from this single post.

I actually read this from another FB page. I don't know if it's true but it resonated with me.

You see, I've been doing all-nighters for about 2 years. I've been in the hospital more than 10 times just last year because of stomach problems.

I've been to several doctors and they all failed to cure me. I consulted with my chiropractor who is also big on alternative medicine. He told me that my sleep habits are the main reason why I'm having stomach pain, constipation, indigestion.

I followed his advice... after 3 days, the pain was gone.

About a month after that, someone shared this on Facebook (and I'm going to share it to everyone):

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The main causes of liver damage are:

1. Sleeping too late and waking up too late are main cause.
2. Not urinating in the morning.
3. Too much eating.
4. Skipping breakfast.
5. Consuming too much medication.
6. Consuming too much preservatives, additives, food coloring, and artificial sweetener.
7.consuming alcohol.
8. Consuming unhealthy cooking oil. As much as possible reduce cooking oil use when frying, which includes even the best cooking oils like olive oil. Do not consume fried foods when you are tired, except if the body is very fit.
9. Consuming raw (overly done) foods also add to the burden of liver. Fried veggies should be finished in one sitting, do not store. We should prevent this without necessarily spending more. We just have to adopt a good daily lifestyle and eating habits. Maintaining good eating habits and time condition are very important for our bodies to absorb and get rid of unnecessary chemicals according to'schedule.'

We have to adopt a good daily lifestyle and eating habits. Maintaining good eating habits is very important for our body to absorb and get rid of unnecessary chemicals.

Because….

Evening 9 - 11pm: is the time for eliminating unnecessary/ toxic chemicals (de- toxification) from the antibody system (lymph nodes). This time duration should be spent by relaxing or listening to music. If during this time a housewife is still in a un relaxed state such as washing the dishes or monitoring children doing their homework, this will have a negative impact on her health.

Night at 11pm - 1am: The de-toxification process in the liver, and ideally should be done in a deep sleep state.

Early morning 1 - 3am: de-toxification process in the gall, also ideally done in a deep sleep state.

Early morning 3 - 5am: de-toxification in the lungs. Therefore there will sometimes be a severe cough for cough sufferers during this time. Since the de-toxification process had reached the respiratory tract, there is no need to take cough medicine so as not to interfere with toxin removal process.

Morning 5 - 7am: de-toxification in the colon, you should empty your bowel.

Morning 7 - 9am: Absorption of nutrients in the small intestine, you should be having breakfast at this time. Breakfast should be earlier, before 6:30am, for those who are sick. Breakfast before 7:30am is very beneficial to those wanting to stay fit. Those who always skip breakfast, they should change their habits, and it is still better to eat breakfast late until 9 -10am rather than no meal at all. Sleeping so late and waking up too late will disrupt the process of removing unnecessary chemicals.

Midnight to 4am is the time when the bone marrow produces blood.

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[D11FYY]

Another good post.
I myself have and probably always will be a night hawk, I have had stomach problems and have been in and out of hospital. Still cant find the real cause of the issue after 2 colonoscopys.
But Iv noticed a healthy balanced diet is ideal but we all stray at some point.
Alcohol actually causes havoc with my insides these days if im drinking on the Saturday I pretty much wont be good until the Tuesday/Wednesday.

Anyone else have any stomach issues?

 

[royalflush]

Another good post.
I myself have and probably always will be a night hawk, I have had stomach problems and have been in and out of hospital. Still cant find the real cause of the issue after 2 colonoscopys.
But Iv noticed a healthy balanced diet is ideal but we all stray at some point.
Alcohol actually causes havoc with my insides these days if im drinking on the Saturday I pretty much wont be good until the Tuesday/Wednesday.

Anyone else have any stomach issues?

I can relate. I had 4 endoscopies and 2 colonoscopies in just 1 year, and I'm only in my 20s.

The doctors couldn't find out what was wrong with me.

In the end, sleep habits solved part of my problems.

The other half of my stomach problems was resolved by a gluten free diet. My chiropractor told me to stop eating pasta and bread. The problems were gone afterwards.

 

[D11FYY]

I can relate. I had 4 endoscopies and 2 colonoscopies in just 1 year, and I'm only in my 20s.

The doctors couldn't find out what was wrong with me.

In the end, sleep habits solved part of my problems.

The other half of my stomach problems was resolved by a gluten free diet. My chiropractor told me to stop eating pasta and bread. The problems were gone afterwards.

Yeah my sleeping pattern was terrible there I was working for my Dad and had to get up at 6am. Staying up to 1/2am certainly didn't help but I could help it now I'm free of that thank god!
Same I cant remember what mine was called it may have been a endoscopy it certainly wasnt pleasant nor was the drink that you had to take 24 hours before hand. I had 4 Doctors argue by my bedside what it may be from Bowel Disease to Ibs.
Yeah I've considered the gluten free diet also I must give this a bash soon. I was drinking Sapporo a Japanese Beer there for a while and my stomach symptoms didn't seem as bad but still far from normal.
What about your stomach when you drink alcohol? How do you feel? Also do any certainly foods trigger your stomach to Spasm aka Orange Juice, Coffee, Melted Cheese etc.

 

[royalflush]

Yeah my sleeping pattern was terrible there I was working for my Dad and had to get up at 6am. Staying up to 1/2am certainly didn't help but I could help it now I'm free of that thank god!
Same I cant remember what mine was called it may have been a endoscopy it certainly wasnt pleasant nor was the drink that you had to take 24 hours before hand. I had 4 Doctors argue by my bedside what it may be from Bowel Disease to Ibs.
Yeah I've considered the gluten free diet also I must give this a bash soon. I was drinking Sapporo a Japanese Beer there for a while and my stomach symptoms didn't seem as bad but still far from normal.
What about your stomach when you drink alcohol? How do you feel? Also do any certainly foods trigger your stomach to Spasm aka Orange Juice, Coffee, Melted Cheese etc.

Yeah, doctors also told me it was IBS and that it was incurable. Later, I learned that doctors usually use IBS as an excuse if they don't know what the problem is.

I don't drink alcohol or coffee or fruit juices. It was actually the pasta and the bread that was the problem.

I also lost 20 lbs accidentally when I cut out pasta and bread

My stomach is fine now.

 

[D11FYY]

Yeah, doctors also told me it was IBS and that it was incurable. Later, I learned that doctors usually use IBS as an excuse if they don't know what the problem is.

I don't drink alcohol or coffee or fruit juices. It was actually the pasta and the bread that was the problem.

I also lost 20 lbs accidentally when I cut out pasta and bread

My stomach is fine now.

Do they? Thats a interesting fact. I wouldnt put it past them now come to think of it.
Do you not? I drink Cranberry juice, Apply juice etc my stomach is fine just Orange makes my stomach spasm.
Did you? My friend did this too and lost a significant amount of weight by staying clear of the pasta and bread.
Will give it a go as of Monday next week just trying to sort out my new work pattern.
Thanks for your advice/help Royal.

 

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[royalflush]

I don't drink fruit juices.

Fructose found in fruits will make you fat. The problem with an orange juice is that it loses the fiber when it is juiced. Eating 2-3 oranges will already make you feel full but if you drink it in juice form, you will consume about 8-12 oranges (that's a lot of sugar!).

You can do a Youtube search about it. Gary Taubes talked about it in a documentary.

 

[MrShah]

Very informative. Thank you for sharing!

 

[Angus]

I don't drink fruit juices.

Fructose found in fruits will make you fat. The problem with an orange juice is that it loses the fiber when it is juiced. Eating 2-3 oranges will already make you feel full but if you drink it in juice form, you will consume about 8-12 oranges (that's a lot of sugar!).

You can do a Youtube search about it. Gary Taubes talked about it in a documentary.

oh cmon
fructose found in fruits WILL NOT make you fat
eating above mantainance for some time will make you gain weight
stop fear mongering, living in fear of foods is not healthy
fructose is handled by the liver, the liver has a storage capacity of ~100g of carbs, so you'll have to drink A LOT of juice to reach maximum storage
the dose make the poison, keep in mind your calories and you'll be fine if your goal is mantainance

 

[Waisec]

oh cmon
fructose found in fruits WILL NOT make you fat
eating above mantainance for some time will make you gain weight
stop fear mongering, living in fear of foods is not healthy
fructose is handled by the liver, the liver has a storage capacity of ~100g of carbs, so you'll have to drink A LOT of juice to reach maximum storage
the dose make the poison, keep in mind your calories and you'll be fine if your goal is mantainance

Lol, I can tell you're a miscer by your posts and username

Adding to what Angus said, there's no certain food that just makes you fat. It all comes down to calories. I went down to 8% bodyfat while eating small slices of pizza, ice cream, whatever-else-I-wanted here and there. I just made sure I hit my macronutrients and consumed less calories than I burned. Simple

There's so much misinformation about fitness/dieting it's ridiculous and people love to over complicate things/broscience it up. Burn more calories than you consume = you are guaranteed to lose weight.

 

[splok]

Burn more calories than you consume = you are guaranteed to lose weight.

Everyone says that but it doesn't really mean anything. It may be technically true, but that doesn't mean the factors that go into it are simple. Do you think metabolism has no effect on the amount of calories that someone burns and that there's no way to change someone's metabolism? Do you think that insulin has no effect on how bodies store fat? Do you think the body of a guy at 40% bf works identically to that of a guy at 8%bf? Do you think that losing weight by eating 1000 calories of french fries every day is the same as losing weight by eating 2000 calories of meat and then burning 1000 calories through activity?

Also, pretty much no one has "lose weight" as their only goal. If that were the case, you could just not eat. Yay, goal accomplished! But people also want to look better and get healthier, and they want to do so in the easiest way possible. The fact that you can theoretically lose weight eating nothing but french fries doesn't necessarily make it a great idea, and just because something is true doesn't mean it's terribly useful.

 

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[Shades]

Lol, I can tell you're a miscer by your posts and username

Adding to what Angus said, there's no certain food that just makes you fat. It all comes down to calories. I went down to 8% bodyfat while eating small slices of pizza, ice cream, whatever-else-I-wanted here and there. I just made sure I hit my macronutrients and consumed less calories than I burned. Simple

There's so much misinformation about fitness/dieting it's ridiculous and people love to over complicate things/broscience it up. Burn more calories than you consume = you are guaranteed to lose weight.

Dont eat junk or chemical laden foods regularly. Win the protein/fat ratio each day. Do some excising. Doesnt even have to be much. 30 min 3-5 times a week. Ill still have a cheesesteak or pizza every so often. Whats life if you arent enjoying things you like? Being in good shape doesnt take nearly the effort many assume it does. Like most things it comes down to just a bit of self control. But I guess everyone is different. Being a bodybuilder is a whole different game. You gotta bust you a$$ because of the amount of calories you have to intake a day. But just being in good physical condition and looking good isnt all that hard.

Counting calories is like a job, not for me. And I dont even know that it matters. You can eat things that are low calories but high in fat. So you still would lose.

 

[Angus]

1) Unlearn what you learned
2) Decide what you want to accomplish
3) Think about what you have to do to accomplish your goal. Be realist, adjust your goal if you have to, don't lie to yourself

Take an average approach and your results will be average.
Do you just want to eat healthy and exercise? Fine, grab a random routine, go on the Paleo Diet, be inconsistent with your food intake and training, don't track calories and macros, don't go specifically on a bulk or a cut. You'll look like your average "fit" paleo dieter.

You really want a good body?
1) Find out what's your TDEE, calculate it on the Internet and then eat at mantainance calories for some weeks.
2) Find a macro ratio that works for you and just aim for 70-100 g of protein a day and 0.5 g of fat per pound of bodyweight.
3) Every monday step on the scale and weight yourself right after getting out of bed, then mesure your waist.
4) What's happening? Are you losing weight? Are you gaining weight? Adjust your TDEE and you'll find your true mantainance. It's trial and error.

Now you know your mantainance calories, yay! What to do next?
1) Decide if you want to cut or bulk, if you're over 15% bodyfat you should be cutting until 10% bodyfat.
2) Keep eating at mantainance or at a surplus to reach your goal.

Obviously, your training should meet your goals. If you want huge delts and traps and everything you do is cardio and curls you'll never reach your goals. Ideally you want to be stronger and more muscular, so grab a random popular strenght program and stick with it.

Then, some tips:
1) Meal timing doesn't matter, eat when you want to eat and it won't change anything
2) You either bulk, cut or mantain, forget "growing muscles while losing fat"
3) IIFYM should be at least 90% whole foods to 10% processed foods, some days you won't eat junk, other days you might eat a pizza, as long as your macros are in check you're fine, don't sweat the small stuff
4) CARBS ARE NOT EVIL, seriously, even on cut you'll have to do frenquent carb refeeds at mantainance for leptin.


Your choice. Just so you know that you can progress a lot faster if being "fit" is one of your primarly goals.
Also, don't fall for the paleo dogma, if you're not gluten intolerant eating bread is just fine, same with dairy. Find an approach that is right for YOU. I went dairy and gluten free for months and months, reintroduced them some weeks ago with no side effects AT ALL. If you try to avoid a food you will have to know that your avoidance is rational, so eventually you'll have to reintroduce them, otherwise it's just paranoia.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Mattie]

Just do your 100% best each moment. Rome wasn't built in a day. We can have a to do list about physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. We can have a million to do lists on many different things. We could believe everything we hear. We would be like robots if we try to do everything we should and ought to do in life according to who every stands in front of us.

 

[Waisec]

Everyone says that but it doesn't really mean anything. It may be technically true, but that doesn't mean the factors that go into it are simple. Do you think metabolism has no effect on the amount of calories that someone burns and that there's no way to change someone's metabolism? Do you think that insulin has no effect on how bodies store fat? Do you think the body of a guy at 40% bf works identically to that of a guy at 8%bf? Do you think that losing weight by eating 1000 calories of french fries every day is the same as losing weight by eating 2000 calories of meat and then burning 1000 calories through activity?

Also, pretty much no one has "lose weight" as their only goal. If that were the case, you could just not eat. Yay, goal accomplished! But people also want to look better and get healthier, and they want to do so in the easiest way possible. The fact that you can theoretically lose weight eating nothing but french fries doesn't necessarily make it a great idea, and just because something is true doesn't mean it's terribly useful.

Of course there are other factors that come into play, but calories-in vs calories-out is the base of losing/gaining weight. And unless you're from another planet, your body functions the same way as mine or anyone else's. Your metabolism might be different, but you ADJUST it accordingly. How do you do that? You calculate the calories you burn in a day depending on your weight/height/activity levels/age etc and get a ballpark. Then add or subtract calories depending on your goal and then you test on yourself.

And no it's not smart to eat nothing but junk. I ate junk here and there WHILE keeping an eye on my protein/fat intake and calories and lifting weights 5-6 times a week. I ate the same stuff day in and day out and everyday I had a small calorie window where I could whatever I wanted. Some days I filled it up with simple healthy carbs, but other days I fit 'junk' food in those calories, since my main goal was to only look good. If your goal is to eat healthy as well, don't eat junk

Keep it simple. Over complicating it just gets you discouraged and overwhelmed. Dieting shouldn't be as complicated as most people make it out to be. Also, I practice what I preach, I've never competed, but I eat/lift like a bodybuilder (minus the broscience), if you search my post history I posted a progress picture a while back. I've also helped a few friends to get into shape, those that had the determination at least.

http://simplesciencefitness.com/ - here's a good site that I discovered a long time ago. ALL the information you could ever need to look great & be healthy all in one page. And all for FREE

 

[Milkanic]

4. Skipping breakfast.

9. Consuming raw (overly done) foods also add to the burden of liver. Fried veggies should be finished in one sitting, do not store. We should prevent this without necessarily spending more. We just have to adopt a good daily lifestyle and eating habits. Maintaining good eating habits and time condition are very important for our bodies to absorb and get rid of unnecessary chemicals according to'schedule.'

Morning 7 - 9am: Absorption of nutrients in the small intestine, you should be having breakfast at this time. Breakfast should be earlier, before 6:30am, for those who are sick. Breakfast before 7:30am is very beneficial to those wanting to stay fit. Those who always skip breakfast, they should change their habits, and it is still better to eat breakfast late until 9 -10am rather than no meal at all. Sleeping so late and waking up too late will disrupt the process of removing unnecessary chemicals.

Do you have any links to backup these claims? Eating 3+ meals a day is a relatively modern luxury. Our ancestors likely ate 1-2x a day and after a kill or foraging and the human body adapted to storing calories. Numerous studies have proven eating less/fasting can prolong life expectancy.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ng-might-help-you-live-longer-healthier-life/

 

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[Angus]

Do you have any links to backup these claims? Eating 3+ meals a day is a relatively modern luxury. Our ancestors likely ate 1-2x a day and after a kill or foraging and the human body adapted to storing calories. Numerous studies have proven eating less/fasting can prolong life expectancy.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ng-might-help-you-live-longer-healthier-life/

It's bullshit from people who don't understand that correlation isn't causation.
"Breakfast is the most important meal of the day" or "don't skip meals" are advices given on the preassumption that YOU WILL overeat after a period of underfeeding.
"Raw is better" is a naturalistic fallacy, and it's bullshit too, as cooking activates veggies enzymes. And who the hell deep fries veggies anyway.

 

[DaRK9]

Eat food that's actually food.
Move around more.
Workout if you can.
Profit.

That is the basic premise; everything else is doctrine.

 

[splok]

unless you're from another planet, your body functions the same way as mine or anyone else's.

So you don't think that insulin resistance is a thing that exists? or diabetes? Do you really think your body handles food the same way that a diabetic's does?

Also, I practice what I preach, I've never competed, but I eat/lift like a bodybuilder (minus the broscience), if you search my post history I posted a progress picture a while back.

That's great, but unless you've been really fat, you don't really know what it takes to fix that problem. Sure, you can say "calories in, calories out" as if that magically fixes things, but eating is something you do every day, usually multiple times per day. Changing your body is a psychological thing more than a physical one. You've got to make thousands upon thousands of correct decisions for that to happen. If someone can compress a big chunk of those decisions into a simple "sugar is evil", then maybe they've just made the road way easier for themselves even if it might still be theoretically possible to lose weight while eating 1000 calories of sugar a day.

I checked your other posts as you mentioned, and I think you make my point better than I can:

Easy right?

But just like with business, you don't see the process behind it. You don't see the 6000 steps between those two pictures. When I look at this picture I look back at myself doing hours upon hours upon hours of research on lifting weights, routines, what sets work, how many reps is ideal, how to do a certain exercise, what volume is reasonable, form vs weight, etc etc - just trying to filter through all the bullshit that's online about weightlifting. Dieting? Right protein intake, how many calories, right amount of fats, carb cycling, sodium etc

You don't see the commitment and focus I needed to get there. Ignoring the people who told me I can't do it. The time when I injured my shoulder so badly, I could barely move it and couldn't do 80% of all upper body exercises for 6 months and I was too poor to see a specialist, so I researched on rehabilitation and recovered all on my own. Or the countless nights when I had to force food down my throat at 2AM trying not to puke because I didn't have the time to eat during the day and had to get my calories in. And then hitting the gym religiously 5-6 times a week, in deep snow/rain after my 11-hour work shifts when I was already mentally/physically exhausted. Always constantly trying to exceed and increase weights/reps each workout, because I wanted to succeed so badly.

Calories in, calories out! Easy right?

 

[Deleted20833]

Sleep is soo important to your health that it should be up there with food and water, I went for 3 weeks with 6hrs of sleep a night and started looking like I was a drug addict, now I consider a good nigts sleep a necessity more so than an option

 

[Angus]

Stop appealing to extremes. A diabetic has no place in this discussion, he should just follow his doctor's guidelines.
If you're an average person with an average insulin sensitivity, calories in vs. calories out still counts for you.
Micronutrients are important, too, that's why the majority of your calories should come from nutrient dense foods.
"Just eat real food and do phisical activity" is just common sense, it has no pratical application, expecially if you have a fitness goal.



Take 3 individuals, they all want to cut down to 10% bodyfat for the summer, they all lift 4 times a week with a strenght program.

One is a paleo follower, he eats whatever he wants to eat but he stays "just a little bit hungry" everyday, no macronutrient cycling, no calorie cycling, just intuition, and he must eat the magical paleo foods on his list.

The other is a paleo follower too, but he counts calories.

The third is a IIFYM guy, he eats 50% junk food and 50% whole foods, and he counts calories.


Who will waste the most time trying to get results?

 

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[splok]

Stop appealing to extremes.

http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/guide/insulin-resistance-syndrome
"It is estimated that 34% of adult Americans have insulin resistance or metabolic syndrome."

And if you need to lose weight, you're obviously more likely to be a part of that 34%...

 

[DaRK9]

"Just eat real food and do phisical activity" is just common sense, it has no pratical application, expecially if you have a fitness goal.

Obviously not.
http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

People need to stand-up before they can lift.

 

[Angus]

HOLY SHIT.
Is the situation in America so bad?
I consider 15%-20% bodyfat to be average...

 

[DaRK9]

HOLY SHIT.
Is the situation in America so bad?
I consider 15%-20% bodyfat to be average...

Exactly my point. It's not JUST America, but we are the leaders.

More than 50 percent of the world's 671 million obese people live in just 10 of those countries:

• United States.
• China.
• India.
• Russia.
• Brazil.
• Mexico.
• Egypt.
• Germany
• Pakistan
• Indonesia

It seems it is not common sense.

I think part of the reason is the market leaders over complicating it.

New diets every month.
Quack Doctor shows highlighting new workouts and supplements.
Expensive personal trainers.
Crazy gym machines from sci-fi movies.

They look at all the programs and products around it and assume it must be hard.

And it is.

Getting in shape is not fun or easy. But it is simple. Our ancestors did it easily for years. They didn't have machines and crazy supplements to help them, why do we?

 

[Angus]

If you're fat just stick to paleo or keto, easiest way to reduce calories.

The problem is that inconsistent dieting doesn't work or works extremely poorly for skinnyfats, that's when calories and macros come into play.

 

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[Shades]

I remember a good tip from Tim Ferris's book was to stick to the same meals, atleast for awhile to form the habit. It helps make things easier. Less chance a person will get frustrated at the grocery store or deciding what to make and resort to bad habits. I also believe in a cheat day a week being beneficial.

 

[csalvato]

I can't believe how many people don't take sleep seriously. I make sure to always get 9 hours a night and work out regularly (2-5x/week). My mind works a lot better that way...

 

[Waisec]

So you don't think that insulin resistance is a thing that exists? or diabetes? Do you really think your body handles food the same way that a diabetic's does?

That's great, but unless you've been really fat, you don't really know what it takes to fix that problem. Sure, you can say "calories in, calories out" as if that magically fixes things, but eating is something you do every day, usually multiple times per day. Changing your body is a psychological thing more than a physical one. You've got to make thousands upon thousands of correct decisions for that to happen. If someone can compress a big chunk of those decisions into a simple "sugar is evil", then maybe they've just made the road way easier for themselves even if it might still be theoretically possible to lose weight while eating 1000 calories of sugar a day.

I checked your other posts as you mentioned, and I think you make my point better than I can:
Calories in, calories out! Easy right?

A diabetic should check with his/her doctor. I'm talking about normal people, stop going to extremes. Majority of people that want to get fit don't have a medical condition that stops them from achieving it.

Of course it's a mental battle. Anything worth in life starts with forming habits/keeping discipline/having the 'why'. I never stated that getting fit was easy, I said keep the process as SIMPLE as possible

And the process I followed was simple. I lifted weights and followed a simple diet and had the results I wanted. Not sure what you're trying to prove here

 

[splok]

A diabetic should check with his/her doctor. I'm talking about normal people, stop going to extremes. Majority of people that want to get fit don't have a medical condition that stops them from achieving it.

Of course it's a mental battle. Anything worth in life starts with forming habits/keeping discipline/having the 'why'. I never stated that getting fit was easy, I said keep the process as SIMPLE as possible

And the process I followed was simple. I lifted weights and followed a simple diet and had the results I wanted. Not sure what you're trying to prove here

Did you miss these posts?

http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/guide/insulin-resistance-syndrome
"It is estimated that 34% of adult Americans have insulin resistance or metabolic syndrome."

Obviously not.
http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

If over 1/3 of American adults have insulin resistance and/or are clinically obese, how is that going to extremes? and I'm not saying that they can't get fit, only that what's going to work best for them might not be what works best for you. Everyone isn't you. Find a random, really fat guy somewhere. He is almost certainly insulin resistant and has a really good chance of being diabetic or pre-diabetic. At least in the US, he's probably MUCH closer to normal that you are.

For example, I'm still fat, but not as fat as I used to be. I've done enough trial and error to see what works for me, at least at this approximate fitness level and IIFYM is almost worthless for me. Maybe not because it couldn't work in a lab setting, but because I don't live in a lab. In a real-world setting, it's way more effective for me to say "ok, no more sugar fatty!" than for me to say "1 piece of pizza and a doughnut?, what could possibly go wrong!"

What was I trying to prove by quoting you? just that when you lay out everything that you did, the months of effort, tweaking, and optimization, that it doesn't come across as "simple", certainly not as simple as you make it sound when you tell others that fitness is simple.