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It's not at the cost of others, the girls are more than willing participants. I know dad's like to think their daughters aren't complete freaks, but they are.

Yeah, a big percentage of those "complete freaks" are victims of childhood sexual abuse.
I realize I'm responding to an old comment, but this is the sort of ignorant statement that deserves a refutation no matter how old it is.
 
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But really most social workers support the family and not the porn industry. At least I was never taught that in my degree.

I worked with young single mothers who were getting custody of their children back after incarceration, generally they ended up incarcerated due to generational cycles of poverty and addiction.

Because morals of the organization I worked for, I lived in voluntary poverty ($100/month + room/board). I donated all the money I made dancing back to the shelter I worked for, which was a lot more than you can get paid per hour as a case manager. Working 2 nights a week as a dancer paid most of the house's bills for 5 single moms and their kids and two social workers.

If anything, the juxtaposition of those jobs just did its best to make me angry since bad baby daddies and abusive ex-boyfriends were often the problem at the shelter (we actually didn't allow any men to visit without getting a background check first) and then I had to dance for some of those same men at night.

If I was going to do anything porn related it would be on removing a porn addiction.
I think that is an excellent fast lane point - look at the edges!

(I personally don't really understand porn addiction, having not been exposed to it on a personal level, but I believe it's a thing as the human brain can get addicted to anything.)
 

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(I personally don't really understand porn addiction, having not been exposed to it on a personal level, but I believe it's a thing as the human brain can get addicted to anything.)
Dopamine (Highway to all addictions). Relax and digest part of the Nervous System.
 
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Please try keeping the conversation civil, thank u!!!

So why everyone is going one direction look at the side industry being created. I don't have this issue so its not something I have done huge research on but I can't think of one online course or person who has a brand on getting over porn addiction.
Is there any large YT channels or online courses on this? (I dont know).

Just like:
Lots of tattooing shops > open laser removal business
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Lots of more extreme and niche porn sites > get into addiction recovery

Plus I think you become what you focus on - I would rather be involved in industry that puts people on an upward trajectory.
You can't buy back somethings no matter how profitable it was.

Post an INE on the INSIDE, really sounds like a great problem to solve, with big needs. And you can sleep at night. Maybe you can even go the same route Dave Ramsey did with finance, coupling it with Christianity or religion.
 

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Cat lady

This thread is FIVE years old and even back then some of the comments allude to the fact that it had become a, pun intended, dirty whore’s market.

Sites are shutting down, traffic is more expensive than ever. I just don’t see the business value. Are you personally running any of the aforementioned business to any success? Any of us can can put our finger in the wind and make claims of profitability and opportunity all day, but the reality is, talk is cheap and actual revenue is expensive.

I can’t just let the 15 unsubstantiated claims go unquestioned even given your “experience.”
 
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Are you personally running any of the aforementioned business to any success? Any of us can can put our finger in the wind and make claims of profitability and opportunity all day, but the reality is, talk is cheap and actual revenue is expensive.

Nope! I'm just on hold right now dealing with a fulfillment issue and find it fun to think of fastlane businesses while I wait. I left the industry more than 12 years ago but still know a handful of people working in the business.

I run a business I am much happier with, as it's much less "dirty" - but I think is a little less fastlane then some of these proposed solutions.

I actually didn't realize the thread was 5 years old - didn't look at the dates! I found it when looking at someone's responses from another thread. Sorry I dredged up an old unsavory thread ;)
 

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Sign of a good market : look at those views to sub count ratios...

Damn you, now I gotta upgrade this to NOTABLE.

Sorry I dredged up an old unsavory thread

Thank you for dredging up, you just probably instigated the exposure of a great untapped market.
 
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Nope! I'm just on hold right now dealing with a fulfillment issue and find it fun to think of fastlane businesses while I wait. I left the industry more than 12 years ago but still know a handful of people working in the business.

I run a business I am much happier with, as it's much less "dirty" - but I think is a little less fastlane then some of these proposed solutions.

I actually didn't realize the thread was 5 years old - didn't look at the dates! I found it when looking at someone's responses from another thread. Sorry I dredged up an old unsavory thread ;)

The 5 years thing wasn’t a comment about dredging it up. It was more in regards to it even being a crowded market 5 years ago... that was the point I was making. There were a couple of posts saying “maybe if you started a while ago”.

As an industry, it has clearly passed its heyday.
 

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Sign of a good market : look at those views to sub count ratios...

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They have "No Fap Academy."

The industry doesn't have an authority person though. No messiah type person as I like to call them. An authority figure that people can follow out of the desert.

It definitely is the type niche with a strong negative (porn addiction) that people will follow on the path to redemption. Other examples:

Dave Ramsey -> saving money.
Anthony Robbins -> NLP/self-help
Jordan Peterson -> Men's issues.

??? -> Overcoming porn addiction.
 

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The 5 years thing wasn’t a comment about dredging it up. It was more in regards to it even being a crowded market 5 years ago... that was the point I was making. There were a couple of posts saying “maybe if you started a while ago”.

As an industry, it has clearly passed its heyday.
Ahh, good point. My knowledge is clearly out of date (except for the payment processing thing, I actually know a ton about that since I host a financial radio show and I'm doing reporting on it RIGHT NOW!).

I still think there's always opportunities. Like housekeeping services, trash pickup, and cooks, serving the providers of a human need has serious fastlane potential if you go at the business model right. Coupled with the fact that most people don't want to touch the industry because it's dirty and complicated...you've got winning potential.

Or to go the addiction counseling route.

My business is the Dave Ramsey business model for the non-christian niche, I suspect (but don't know) that most porn addiction counseling is religiously oriented and it might be worth to provide secular services (courses?) to those struggling with porn addiction.
 
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As an industry, it has clearly passed its heyday.

Years ago back in my Lambo days I knew a guy who was killing it in porn (think early/mid-2000's) -- he owned a garage full of cars (Bugatti, Lambos, etc.) -- he got out of the business (he basically alluded what you're saying, "it's hard to compete with free") and is now is in GAMING.

Gaming! Think about that. He went from one business with addictive characteristics into another one.

He's no dummy.
 

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Never would’ve guessed the size of that potential market.

Addictioninfo.org
“Of the roughly 6 million Internet addicts, most are hooked on sex sites with pornography or cybersex chat rooms. David Greenfield, founder of the Center for Internet Studies, surveyed Internet users and found that 62 percent admitted logging on to pornographic sites for an average of four hours a week”
 

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an average of four hours a week
:eek::clap:::happy:

holy kittens. That's a lot of time.

ETA I love that this thread is now filled with mormon.com ads for me... that is either a programmatic advertising success or failure!
 
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I guess holding myself, my family, and my businesses to an ethical standard and having moral values is “clown stuff” now... LOL. This world is backwards as f*ck.
Ethical standard? Moral values? You're just thumping your chest.
Sex is a biological function, and everyone gets has to get off. Some men have perversions that they would rather keep discreet. Some men have a very hard time getting women. Some guys want access to women that they have no chance of getting close to under normal circumstances. The world of porn/kink/whatever you want to call it scratches that itch.
Its a line of work.
Guys like you are funny. You paint yourself as some type of moral crusader, and expect everyone to operate in the same way you do, so you can find a reason to feel like you're worth something.
Im sure that you'll discount the fact that these people are filling a need (one which generates billions of dollars a year). I'm sure that you'll discount the fact that the industry allows people to take care of themselves financially. I'm sure that you'll avoid the fact that these people aren't forced at gunpoint to join the industry.
As long as you can thump your chest about being some moral do-gooder.

I bet you had the same thoughts about weed dealers...until it became legal.
At the end of the day, business is business. There are people dying right now in order for you to power your car with gasoline. Children are losing limbs slaving away in mines so some millionaire can by a ring for his wife. Animals get slaughtered every day, so we can feast on cheap sandwiches.

But you have the nerve to talk about ethics and morals, like you're really saying something. You ARE a clown
 

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Ethical standard? Moral values? You're just thumping your chest.
Sex is a biological function, and everyone gets has to get off. Some men have perversions that they would rather keep discreet. Some men have a very hard time getting women. Some guys want access to women that they have no chance of getting close to under normal circumstances. The world of porn/kink/whatever you want to call it scratches that itch.
Its a line of work.
Guys like you are funny. You paint yourself as some type of moral crusader, and expect everyone to operate in the same way you do, so you can find a reason to feel like you're worth something.
Im sure that you'll discount the fact that these people are filling a need (one which generates billions of dollars a year). I'm sure that you'll discount the fact that the industry allows people to take care of themselves financially. I'm sure that you'll avoid the fact that these people aren't forced at gunpoint to join the industry.
As long as you can thump your chest about being some moral do-gooder.

But you have the nerve to talk about ethics and morals, like you're really saying something. You ARE a clown

You got some strong psychological projection going on here.
 

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You got some strong psychological projection going on here.
Lol you might want to retake Psychology if that's what you see
Just pointing out some hypocrisy
No one trashes JFK's father for making his fortune in bootlegging
But you guys want to kick dirt on the adult industry as if its some type of life ruining industry

This forum is about business, but I notice that alot of people like to turn conversations into morality contests.
Not because they have any valid points. But because they want to feel as if they are better than someone else
Its like a beauty pageant contest bringing up her IQ, to feel better about not being the prettiest girl in the room
 
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Ethical standard? Moral values? You're just thumping your chest.
Sex is a biological function, and everyone gets has to get off. Some men have perversions that they would rather keep discreet. Some men have a very hard time getting women. Some guys want access to women that they have no chance of getting close to under normal circumstances. The world of porn/kink/whatever you want to call it scratches that itch.
Its a line of work.
Guys like you are funny. You paint yourself as some type of moral crusader, and expect everyone to operate in the same way you do, so you can find a reason to feel like you're worth something.
Im sure that you'll discount the fact that these people are filling a need (one which generates billions of dollars a year). I'm sure that you'll discount the fact that the industry allows people to take care of themselves financially. I'm sure that you'll avoid the fact that these people aren't forced at gunpoint to join the industry.
As long as you can thump your chest about being some moral do-gooder.

I bet you had the same thoughts about weed dealers...until it became legal.
At the end of the day, business is business. There are people dying right now in order for you to power your car with gasoline. Children are losing limbs slaving away in mines so some millionaire can by a ring for his wife. Animals get slaughtered every day, so we can feast on cheap sandwiches.

But you have the nerve to talk about ethics and morals, like you're really saying something. You ARE a clown

So if anybody disagrees with you they are thumping their chests and get called names?

Please keep your posts civil and refrain from personal attacks.
 

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So if anybody disagrees with you they are thumping their chests and get called names?

I think you have the wrong forum.
When people hide behind morality to make their point, they usually do it to feel superior than someone else. I'm simply calling that out

My business is linked to the porn world. My product was recently nominated for an AVN award. I've formed connections with numerous people in the adult industry. People in front of camera, behind the camera and behind the CPU. Alot of the statements that people are making in this thread are baseless and downright insulting. I know snobbery when I see it.

You should check my posts if you want to claim that I am on the wrong forum. I actually talk about business when I post. I may not be clique'd up with other members on this board, but that does not mean that I do not provide value when I post.
If you actually wanted to talk about business in the porn world, and how money is made in the adult industry, I could actually make this a lively discussion. The adult underworld is quite interesting and profitable.
 
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You paint yourself as some type of moral crusader, and expect everyone to operate in the same way you do, so you can find a reason to feel like you're worth something.

I could argue the same thing back to you. The hypocrisy abounds.
 
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Its weird how it's socially acceptable to put someone else's genitals in your mouth, but eating a Dorito off the floor after a few seconds is gross. What a double standard.
 

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Ethical standard? Moral values? You're just thumping your chest.
Sex is a biological function, and everyone gets has to get off. Some men have perversions that they would rather keep discreet. Some men have a very hard time getting women. Some guys want access to women that they have no chance of getting close to under normal circumstances. The world of porn/kink/whatever you want to call it scratches that itch.
Its a line of work.
Guys like you are funny. You paint yourself as some type of moral crusader, and expect everyone to operate in the same way you do, so you can find a reason to feel like you're worth something.
Im sure that you'll discount the fact that these people are filling a need (one which generates billions of dollars a year). I'm sure that you'll discount the fact that the industry allows people to take care of themselves financially. I'm sure that you'll avoid the fact that these people aren't forced at gunpoint to join the industry.
As long as you can thump your chest about being some moral do-gooder.

I bet you had the same thoughts about weed dealers...until it became legal.
At the end of the day, business is business. There are people dying right now in order for you to power your car with gasoline. Children are losing limbs slaving away in mines so some millionaire can by a ring for his wife. Animals get slaughtered every day, so we can feast on cheap sandwiches.

But you have the nerve to talk about ethics and morals, like you're really saying something. You ARE a clown

Where ever your focus goes, your attention goes. What I see happening to the masculine in 2018, is the masculine saying, "Why can't I find a woman anymore to cook for me, clean for me, and be my wife?" The feminine seem to notice the masculine attention goes else where. There single mothers, struggling to raise their children. Since my mother's Generation "Baby Boomers", they've been independent women. Divorce and Separation was a major part of our generation. The Industry didn't explode until the Baby Boomers, Generation X, and Millennial's playing their part, since Television and Devices weren't created during WWII with the Traditionalists. I believe you will hear more an more stories coming out the next few years of emotional, mental, physical abuse concerning this industry.

While it seems glamorous on the surface, behind the scenes it does have a dark side. Men and women have had the urge to merge for centuries. They lived without it prior until now. So, it's not like the masculine and feminine can't live without sexual entertainment.

I've never talked to any children whose parents work for the industry, but I can't imagine they love sitting at a kitchen table with the neighbors and have them ask what does your parents do for a living? And like I stated with Teacher Mandated to report things to Child Protective Services, the minute a child starts speaking of sex, this is a red flag and they become involved and do an investigation. Why you may not believe in morals and ethics, I understand the child abuse and domestic violence issues, and this is the point.

The adult thinks of him or herself. Not their children, the impact it has on them psychologically or emotionally. You have parents with entertainment in their homes, easily accessed, children watch it, don't know how to cope with it, it shocks them, they want to act upon it, and in our culture there is such a thing as sexual offender registry. You're on there for quite a few years, can't find a job, get humiliated by the public. In my Child Protective Service course, we had the prosecuting attorney come in and the teens were the biggest sexual offenders in our community at a high rate back in 2008-2009.

While I'm in the Netherlands and have been trying to understand what they're doing here and sex education, I can see basically they educate their children to understand what things are so they're not shocked, have a healthy perception of their bodies, set personal boundaries. I'm not sure I agree with everything at their age groups, but I understand they're probably trying to keep down sadomasochism and masochism, and desensitization. If you're exposed too it all your life, you get bored with it, and it's not a big deal anymore. The relationships here according to statistics are not any happier than in America. Because it impacts the home life and relationships.

The U.K. and Netherlands are looking at our Sexual Offender list, and of course there are different studies right now on therapies and treating sexual offenders other sexual disorders. I believe there is a huge amount of people in sexual entertainment who have been abused during childhood, and until they're done being wounded some more because the sexual act is the biggest emotional wound there is, can make people catatonic if it brings a lot of trauma. This entertainment world promotes violence, and you never hear about the people who get killed, tortured, and face violent deaths. There is so much on the dark side people don't know about, and if you believe having ethics and morals is wrong for protecting men and women from harm than there's some serious issues here.
 

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Don't get me wrong. I am no choir boy nor am I a role model. I just respect the hell out of people who make their living without resorting to the lowest common denominator in society.
Here's a wonderful story about a child. When he was born one parent chose the Sexual Entertainment Industry, No ethics, No morals, No values, while the other parent chose to be a role model, toughed it out, single parent, and taught morals and ethics, values, and respect for self and others. The unethical parent was around probably 6 months may be two years if you added up all the days in the life. Drugs, Alcohol in the mix.

One day the parent hit the biggest disaster in their child's teen years. The parent was faced with making the same choices as the other parent did back ten years before, (A) illegal activities, sexual entertainment, or (B) just continue taking the hits, educate themselves, be the role model of ethics, morals, values, and not steal, vandalize, destroy other people's property, be harmful to self or others. Long-term gains, bigger picture of the future of child's future. Where the other parent was (Short-term gains)

One day this parent read M.J.'s Books, spent many hours in the forum. The forum impacted the child's life in a positive way. In 2018, the child makes healthy choices, aims for success, educates themselves, and wants to do great things for humanity. The story isn't finished yet. But I bet you at the end of the story, the child lives a more successful life than following the other parent. To be continued~
 
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Years ago back in my Lambo days I knew a guy who was killing it in porn (think early/mid-2000's) -- he owned a garage full of cars (Bugatti, Lambos, etc.) -- he got out of the business (he basically alluded what you're saying, "it's hard to compete with free") and is now is in GAMING.

Gaming! Think about that. He went from one business with addictive characteristics into another one.

He's no dummy.


That's the FTV guy.

He has a couple podcasts out there so it's more of an open secret. I wonder how he does now. There's a thread on the webmaster forum circa 2008 or so (I think he said that is when they peaked) where they broke the 30,000 month recurring membership.
I messaged him in 2014 after listening to a podcast and he said he was stopping, guess that isn't happening, I'm pretty sure he'll be doing it another 10+ years.

I have nothing to do with adult now but mingle in production with 2 other guys in Chicago 2007-2009. The thing about production is you deal with people who are incredibly unreliable.
What I will say is it almost never works out for the girl. Aside from softcore (there is a lot of prestige in posing for Playboy still) doing hardcore always has negative consequences.

A few years ago I ran through some of our model release forms and ran names, only two girls out of a dozen were doing what could be considered ok, and one had lots of documented info haunting her.

Just because someone wins an AVN award doesn't mean anything, I remember one girl, who won one, lived in a trailer park with her boyfriend who was willing to drive her 4 hours just to make $400 ):
Makes me sick.

The other thing too is it just takes a few obsessive creeps to really cause problems. One girl that did alright has had to change up domain names and obscure her name because people keep going after her.
Webmastering activities, not content production, is where the money is in adult now. I can't look at naughty pics and vids objectively though and thus am not productive and avoid it. If you can push high velocity and just pay attention to analytics and data then it might still be a good thing to get into. (-;

Porn isn't going away but it's mostly evolved into a a few major corporate entities like mindgeek and a few others.
 
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Thanks to this guy, the days of porn making big money are over:

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Fabian Thylmann started the "Youtube of porn" years ago. Because of this, porn became free. He became so successful that he took over all his competitors AND all big porn studios.

Basically all the income that was generated by porn studios and websites, went to this guy in only a few years. He sold everything and is funding startups now.

At the moment, they make adult movies based on most used search terms. Tech took over porn.

Check out the podcast "The Butterfly Effect" : The Butterfly Effect with Jon Ronson by Audible on Apple Podcasts

It's a popular believe in our society to think that poor innocent girls were forced by horrible male porn producers, to fulfill the evil perverted needs of men. Although this may have happened occasionally in the past, I don't think this is the case right now. Porn is not snuff.

When I see my socially awkward neighbor glancing at my girlfriend, I'm glad porn exists. Glad some guys can "fulfill their needs behind their computer" instead of harassing innocent people.

It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
 
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He also said chargebacks are a nightmare. Lots of buyers remorse and guys claiming their cc was stolen when their wife finds out. Since intangible goods are being sold without a physical signature, the merchants lose virtually all chargeback disputes.
Somehow I just don't feel sorry or empathize with the charge backs. It doesn't bring tears to my eyes.
 
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Porn isn't going away but it's mostly evolved into a a few major corporate entities like mindgeek and a few others.
I think that the internet has transformed the adult world in the same fashion that its changed the mainstream world. Youtube replaced TV. Mindgeek replaced the Adult Video Store. There's no need to pay a cable bill, or make a trip to the store, because everything you need is on your PC.

20 years ago, you'd have to go through Hollywood in order for you talents to make you money in media. These days, if you have a camera, you can sign up to Youtube an gain an audience in a matter of months. Cutting out the so called middleman/gatekeeper. 20 years ago to make it "big" in porn, you'd have to make that same trip (maybe to a different city). But these days, all you need is a camera, and you can also create an audience, and revenue stream for yourself. Of course there were outliers. Community Access TV....Amatuer Porn companies.

Mindgeek's Pornhub is the Youtube of the adult world. Anyone can upload their content, and many people utilize it to bring attention to their platforms. Speaking for myself, I have uploaded commercials with unique coupon codes, and have profited immensely off of them (no I don't do porn). I know girls who have changed their financial standing in a matter of months, after uploading their content on to Pornhub (and other adult media sites).

There are new gatekeepers, and now its easier for people to get in on the action


It's a popular believe in our society to think that poor innocent girls were forced by horrible male porn producers, to fulfill the evil perverted needs of men. Although this may have happened occasionally in the past, I don't think this is the case right now. Porn is not snuff.

That's the part that people don't want to understand. People want to think that these girls are innocent victims of circumstance and end up broke and homeless.
A model for my company is an adult film "star". When I connected with her early last year, she was a single mother struggling to pay rent. Trying to bring in enough money to keep her daughter in gymnastics. . A few months ago she moved into a new townhome and can provide her daughter with all of the equipment needed to participate in gymnastics (which isn't cheap). She has leveraged her following into a few hundred dollars a night from Webcam shows, and possibly a grand or two from making an appearance in a strip club. Half of her daughters gymnastic equipment was purchased by fans, on her Amazon wish list.
Some of these women understand business. Some don't. No different than the mainstream world.
 
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