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I think I'm just going to write a book. I already have it figured out, just been getting enough information on the subject the past year.
 
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The key to making money is the same as any business - providing value and filling a gap in the market - or offering value scew / an improvement.

To those who think "you can't make money in porn" here is a specific recent example.

Recently a company that takes japanese games and translates them into english started their company in 2014. In just over 3 years the company now has over 9 million users on it's platform and recently signed a deal worth tens of millions to expand its operations in South America. They've also partnered with PornHub to hold the worlds first "porn gaming competition" that the winner goes away with tens-of-thousands of dollars.

It's profit is not made public but it has recently invested 10 million into over 18 new titles and also is expanding into VR gaming porn.

And this was started in 2014. In just over 3 years they have 10 million to invest into more games. The gaming industry is now worth more than the TV, Movie, Sports, and any other entertainment industry in the world and they took a very small slice of it.

Most of it's games are "free to play" and it makes income off an in game economy that you purchase coins to buy things in the game.

The market doesn't care what you think "can't make money" - because clearly there is still untapped markets in this area that need to be filled. Thanks to those who think something that is biologically ingrained in every human is "immoral" it makes it easier for those of us who don't suppress our basic desires because of societal pressures easier to enter the market and take a small chunk of the cheese.

AirBnB the worlds largest property company owns no property.
Uber the worlds largest taxi service owns no cars.

Think outside of the box on how to make a once "unprofitable"
market profitable by changing the way you generate the income will become the new self made millionares and billionares.

Even MJ thought of a way to change how he monetized the business before he made his millions. It's not necessarily "oh it's free i'll never make money" it's "oh it's free, how can I make money"?

Having said that, I encourage EVERYONE to please stay out of this market. There is absolutely no money to be made here and you'd be wasting your time.
 
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When people hide behind morality to make their point, they usually do it to feel superior than someone else. I'm simply calling that out

My business is linked to the porn world. My product was recently nominated for an AVN award. I've formed connections with numerous people in the adult industry. People in front of camera, behind the camera and behind the CPU. Alot of the statements that people are making in this thread are baseless and downright insulting. I know snobbery when I see it.

You should check my posts if you want to claim that I am on the wrong forum. I actually talk about business when I post. I may not be clique'd up with other members on this board, but that does not mean that I do not provide value when I post.
If you actually wanted to talk about business in the porn world, and how money is made in the adult industry, I could actually make this a lively discussion. The adult underworld is quite interesting and profitable.

If you are in the industry, you must know that most surveys of Americans show that 70% (roughly) think porn is morally bankrupt. While an argument could be made that more than that watch it, the statistic remains relatively consistent. 7 out of 10 people disagree with your viewpoint.

That's OK. You are free to follow your conscience where ever it leads. However, it probably will never win a debate point when you attack the motive of someone that shares the viewpoint of the majority of Americans.

Nobody argues that Americans as a whole are particularly virtuous, which is why when as a collective they reject the fringe minority that find pornography to be societally acceptable, it's amazing that Americans coalesce around a shared viewpoint.

Assume 7 out of 10 people here find the way you make your living repugnant. Doesn't make them right, but certainly doesn't cede to you any moral high ground either. Hypocrisy abounds on all sides of the topic, which is why it is best to simply go about the business without taking it to personal degregation. Realize that many (most) people would side with him over your character attack over a position held by the majority of Americans. It's simply a losing debate point.
 

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If you are in the industry, you must know that most surveys of Americans show that 70% (roughly) think porn is morally bankrupt. While an argument could be made that more than that watch it, the statistic remains relatively consistent. 7 out of 10 people disagree with your viewpoint.

That's OK. You are free to follow your conscience where ever it leads. However, it probably will never win a debate point when you attack the motive of someone that shares the viewpoint of the majority of Americans.

Nobody argues that Americans as a whole are particularly virtuous, which is why when as a collective they reject the fringe minority that find pornography to be societally acceptable, it's amazing that Americans coalesce around a shared viewpoint.

Assume 7 out of 10 people here find the way you make your living repugnant. Doesn't make them right, but certainly doesn't cede to you any moral high ground either. Hypocrisy abounds on all sides of the topic, which is why it is best to simply go about the business without taking it to personal degregation. Realize that many (most) people would side with him over your character attack over a position held by the majority of Americans. It's simply a losing debate point.
There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol

Btw im not IN the industry. My company produces products that are utilized by men in the industry (and all walks of life). I'm in adult stores....retail stores....a pharmacy.....
Porn is just one of the many ways that I choose to advertise
Nice try though

You think porn is immoral. Cool.
But this is a business forum, and alot of things could be learned from a real business discussion....
 
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There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol

Btw im not IN the industry. My company produces products that are utilized by men in the industry (and all walks of life). I'm in adult stores....retail stores....a pharmacy.....
Porn is just one of the many ways that I choose to advertise
Nice try though

Instead of trying to go back and forth about your convictions...how about you talk about making actual money. I mean this is a business forum

It's all due to societal norms and pressures. It's very difficult for the large majority of the population to overcome societal indoctrination. The slowlane is one example of this, the sex industry is another. Even if someone overcomes one indoctrination they still hold many others.

We slaughter hundreds of thousands of cows so people can eat a cheap cheeseburger at McDonalds and McDonalds makes a .50 cent profit it's ok, but if a man and women willingly tape themselves having sex with each other to make a few hundred dollars it's "immoral".

Read Stealing Fire How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work - by Jamie Wheal and Steven Kotler

It touches on this quite a bit.

They might say it's immoral if someone calls them for a survey, but of course of you were to look through their browser history you'd see a different story.
 
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Hey, the OP of the reddit AMA thread has apparently deleted all their replies. Was it like that 4 years ago, or did they get negative attention and delete it recently?
 

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There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol

Btw im not IN the industry. My company produces products that are utilized by men in the industry (and all walks of life). I'm in adult stores....retail stores....a pharmacy.....
Porn is just one of the many ways that I choose to advertise
Nice try though

Instead of trying to go back and forth about your convictions...how about you talk about making actual money. I mean this is a business forum

We get it... If we are not licentious libertine profligates we are pieces of shit, because “open-mindedness” is the only thing that matters... Except when someone disagrees with you.
 
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It's all due to societal norms and pressures. It's very difficult for the large majority of the population to overcome societal indoctrination.

Ah but see you view sexual purity as a deficiency that needs to be overcome. Most view sexual aberration and deviancy as the low ground. You start from a premise that people who hold traditional viewpoints have something they need to overcome. Society disagrees, and the collective sets the bar for where the mores are. You are free (in the United States) to disagree, but in our lifetime your viewpoint will never be even close to a majority.
 

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There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol

Btw im not IN the industry. My company produces products that are utilized by men in the industry (and all walks of life). I'm in adult stores....retail stores....a pharmacy.....
Porn is just one of the many ways that I choose to advertise
Nice try though

You think porn is immoral. Cool.
But this is a business forum, and alot of things could be learned from a real business discussion....

I cite secular statistics, and I get "there you go with that morality stuff."

You're not interested in a discussion with people that disagree with you. I get that.

"Nice try though."

I don't need to "try" anything. I care exactly 0% how you make your living.

I see no contributions from you to this thread that are business rich or actionable, but then again I would likely have the same cynical viewpoint towards someone who was a fan boy of "fast lane" drug dealers, child traffickers or other lucrative bottom feeder "businesses."
 
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Ah but see you view sexual purity as a deficiency that needs to be overcome. Most view sexual aberration and deviancy as the low ground. You start from a premise that people who hold traditional viewpoints have something they need to overcome. Society disagrees, and the collective sets the bar for where the mores are. You are free (in the United States) to disagree, but in our lifetime your viewpoint will never be even close to a majority.

Society also thinks rich people are evil while a big part of them plays the lottery weekly.

I don't really see the point you want to make.
 
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Society also thinks rich people are evil while a big part of them plays the lottery weekly.

I don't really see the point you want to make.

9 out of 10 people on this forum don't think rich people are evil.

There are forums where people do, and those people would find common ground there.

Similarly, statistics show the majority of people find porn to be morally corrupt.

There are forums where people don't, and that's where commonality tends to build community.

Here's the point.

When someone has a divergent viewpoint, that's fine. But when the divergent viewpoint starts slinging arrows and derogatory name-calling towards those who hold the majority opinion in any particular venue, it's not going to go well. Thus one of my earlier comments that perhaps he was at the wrong forum.

He may find a community where the posters disagree with the majority viewpoint on topics he is interested in, like his special interest in the porn industry. Those groups are out there. Meanwhile, it's worth discussing here as long as it stays civil and business oriented.

Everyone is welcome here. A diversity of opinions is welcome, and debate is actually good for the forum. It's great for traffic. It's when the debate turns personal, inflamatory, and attacking that we step in and throw a flag. The continuation of that is where we remove the offenders.

Chat. Debate. Disagree. GREAT. Just keep it on topic and not personal assaults. The debate is welcome. The escalation is not.

And this is a great topic and this thread should be allowed to get back on topic as the discussion is worthwhile.
 

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There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol

How about all the people tortured, killed, beat up, mutilated in the sexual entertainment world? I have a friend missing since 2001, and the suspect possibly a freak who was involved in drugging up people with GSB, chopped them up, after sexual bull crap. So defend your unethical and immoral world of sexual entertainment, because I know first hand what happens.

If it's all that great of an industry I guess the police wouldn't be busting people for sexual crimes. What do you think causes domestic violence, child abuse, and even sometimes gun violence? Are you so blind you don't understand how the nervous system works, and that even if you do know emotional and mental toughness and regulation, over a long period of time, enough abuse, you can't stop the violence from occurring, because it taps into the emotional center, pain and pleasure, reward and punishment, and dopamine, the high way to all addictions.

I think the only person fooling themselves is yourself. Stuff happens behind the scenes every day, we just don't see it in the public eye. You know how many unidentified bodies there are? Do you know how many missing persons there are? I think you go better take a look. While it never gets talked about, some of these cases have to do with Sexual Entertainment.

I'm sure there are stacks of cold cases having deal with this industry. I think that's the point. We never hear about the horror stories.

Maybe
 

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How about all the people tortured, killed, beat up, mutilated in the sexual entertainment world. I have a friend missing since 2001, and the suspect possibly a freak who was involved in drugging up people with GSB, chopped them up, after sexual bull crap. So defend your unethical and immoral world of sexual entertainment, because I know first hand what happens.

If it's all that great of an industry I guess the police wouldn't be busting people sexual crimes. What do you think causes domestic violence, child abuse, and even sometimes gun violence? Are you so blind you don't understand how the nervous system works, and that even if you do know emotional and mental toughness and regulation, over a long period of time, enough abuse, you can't stop the violence from occurring, because it taps into the emotional center, pain and pleasure, reward and punishment, and dopamine, the high way to all addictions.

I think the only person fooling themselves in yourself. Stuff happens behind the scenes every day, we just don't see it in the public eye. You know how many unidentified bodies there are? Do you know how many missing persons there are? I think you go better take a look. While it never gets talked about, some of these cases have to do with Sexual Entertainment.

I'm sure there are stack of cold cases having deal with this industry. I think that's the point. We never hear about the horror stories.

Maybe

Anyone who denies the dark side of the sex workers industry is deluding themselves for their own gain at the expense of others.

On any subject, you will find me pro-people.
 
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Anyone who denies the dark side of the sex workers industry is deluding themselves for their own gain at the expense of others.

On any subject, you will find me pro-people.
I under stand you Vigilante, I just understand more than he wants people to believe. We see this glamorized on social media. I'm tolerant of it, pass it bye, I'm in the Netherlands and understand a different perspective. I just feel sugar coating it like he does and making sound pretty isn't exactly the way it is out there for many people.
 

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I cite secular statistics, and I get "there you go with that morality stuff."

You're not interested in a discussion with people that disagree with you. I get that.

"Nice try though."

I don't need to "try" anything. I care exactly 0% how you make your living.

I see no contributions from you to this thread that are business rich or actionable, but then again I would likely have the same cynical viewpoint towards someone who was a fan boy of "fast lane" drug dealers, child traffickers or other lucrative bottom feeder "businesses."
I'm not interested in your discussion because this is a business message board. I signed up to talk about making money. You're talking about something intrinsic.

You claim that I have contributed nothing to this thread, yet if you scroll up, you see that I have engaged two members about the state of the industry. IMO, that provides more value to a business board than talking about one's moral compass. Or maybe you skipped that post. Read below
I think that the internet has transformed the adult world in the same fashion that its changed the mainstream world. Youtube replaced TV. Mindgeek replaced the Adult Video Store. There's no need to pay a cable bill, or make a trip to the store, because everything you need is on your PC.

20 years ago, you'd have to go through Hollywood in order for you talents to make you money in media. These days, if you have a camera, you can sign up to Youtube an gain an audience in a matter of months. Cutting out the so called middleman/gatekeeper. 20 years ago to make it "big" in porn, you'd have to make that same trip (maybe to a different city). But these days, all you need is a camera, and you can also create an audience, and revenue stream for yourself. Of course there were outliers. Community Access TV....Amatuer Porn companies.

Mindgeek's Pornhub is the Youtube of the adult world. Anyone can upload their content, and many people utilize it to bring attention to their platforms. Speaking for myself, I have uploaded commercials with unique coupon codes, and have profited immensely off of them (no I don't do porn). I know girls who have changed their financial standing in a matter of months, after uploading their content on to Pornhub (and other adult media sites).

There are new gatekeepers, and now its easier for people to get in on the action

That's the part that people don't want to understand. People want to think that these girls are innocent victims of circumstance and end up broke and homeless.
A model for my company is an adult film "star". When I connected with her early last year, she was a single mother struggling to pay rent. Trying to bring in enough money to keep her daughter in gymnastics. . A few months ago she moved into a new townhome and can provide her daughter with all of the equipment needed to participate in gymnastics (which isn't cheap). She has leveraged her following into a few hundred dollars a night from Webcam shows, and possibly a grand or two from making an appearance in a strip club. Half of her daughters gymnastic equipment was purchased by fans, on her Amazon wish list.
Some of these women understand business. Some don't. No different than the mainstream world.
You've made it clear that you want nothing to do with the industry and have no real knowledge about it.....So other than controlling the conversation, why are you still posting in this thread?
 
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Let me try to add some gems. Here are a few ways that adult film stars add to their bank account outside of sex on camera
- Strip Club appearances.
Adult film stars making appearances at clubs are big events. Promoters advertise the date of their arrival just like a fight promoter will for a prize fight. Attendance is usually higher when they arrive, because alot of men want to see their favorite starlet in person. Of course they get the money that is thrown to them on stage, but they also get paid by the club management for their attendance. Chicks who are more business saavy act as vendors, as they sell photo opps, t-shirts, movies, and sometimes fleshlights. But EVERYTHING is for sale. I've seen an actress auction off her heels and panties when the night ended, and walked home with a few hundred extra bucks

- Camming
This is the new craze, as women can make money from the comfort of their own home. They simply set up a cam, and do whatever they do, be it solo, or with a partner. They use Twitter and IG to advertise the time and date for their latest show. As I stated earlier, they can make a few hundred a night if they have a big following. I think alot of women choose this option because they don't have to worry about traveling, testing, or working with unfamiliar talent.

- Phone Companionship
Despite what you all may think, phone sex is not dead. There are sites out there who specialize in linking people with phone operators. These women ( and men) sign up, and split a percentage of their earnings with the site. One of the male film stars who uses my product likes to make extra cash by talking nasty to ladies. On select days he cant be bothered during a certain time range b/c his phone has to be free to talk to customers lol

- "Donations"
There will never be a shortage of men out there who feel the needs to help out a pretty girl financially. Alot of these girls have Amazon Wish Lists because eventually, some guy will make a purchase for her. Go to a film stars twitter, and theres a 50% chance that she has a link to her Amazon wish list. As I stated earlier, the woman who does modelling for my company has provided her daughter with in home gymnastic equipment, solely based on her Amazon Wish List.
 

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IMO, that provides more value to a business board than talking about one's moral compass.

Business and personal ethics are actually extremely important when it comes to making real money. Intergenerational money. You will find that the truly successful have a long term vision. They don't want to get involved in crooked dealings, and do business with questionable people to make a quick buck.

Decades ago upholding a good name was something people would never dream of departing from. It still holds up in wealthy circles. I can tell you, at least in my industry, that being an ethical, man of my word has gotten me tremendously farther than the alternative, a scorched earth, screw you money now mentality.

I would have nothing if it wasn't for my team's early belief in my vision and leadership. I wonder how far I would have gotten conducting myself like you... The answer is probably stuck in my parents basement running a 30k per year porn "empire."
 

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I would have nothing if it wasn't for my team's early belief in my vision and leadership. I wonder how far I would have gotten conducting myself like you... The answer is probably stuck in my parents basement running a 30k per year porn "empire."
I have a Pharmacy School education, and used my knowledge to start a dietary supplement company. I reached the 6-fig revenue mark in 2017.
Try again
 
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I have a Pharmacy School education, and used my knowledge to start a dietary supplement company. I reached the 6-fig revenue mark in 2017.
Try again

Wow... 6 whole unverified figures of top line revenue.

Was your pharmacy school "accredited" too?
 

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No worries I'm done.
You never started. Just typed up a bunch of psychobabble in efforts to sound smart
Was your pharmacy school "accredited" too?
After throwing in a last minute cheap shot. Tell me your credentials, so I can throw them in quotation marks too. What a joke
I notice that when people on this forum clique up, they rarely discuss actual business
 

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Ah but see you view sexual purity as a deficiency that needs to be overcome. Most view sexual aberration and deviancy as the low ground. You start from a premise that people who hold traditional viewpoints have something they need to overcome. Society disagrees, and the collective sets the bar for where the mores are. You are free (in the United States) to disagree, but in our lifetime your viewpoint will never be even close to a majority.

It all depends on how you look at it. I don't assert that it's something that needs to be "overcome" but rather it's a part of our societal norm. It's up to the individual to decide if it's good for them or not.

Of course, it is my personal viewpoint but I believe that suppression of sexual desires is off the charts in the US and it's harmful for society as a whole. Divorce rates and cheating rates are off the charts, many males and females feel obligated to follow societal sexual norms, while hiding their browsing history from what they really like and want. It causes suffering and anxiety unessesarily, as it's a part of our biological coding to fantasize, have fetishes, etc... yet in our society that part is suppressed. In other societies, and in the past this has not always been the case.

If someone calls you for a survey you might say it's immoral, but look through their browser history and it'll tell you a different story. People have problems sharing their most intimate thoughts even with their close lifetime partners because they feel embarrassed. Over time this suppression builds up and people want something new so they seek out other venues to fulfill that suppression as opposed to exploring more with their partners.

Or anti-gay politicians get caught with gay men, the list goes on.

Anyhow I digress as this has gone way off topic.
 
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So I don't have any vested interest in the moral debate here, but I do think there is an interesting thread running behind that argument which could be taken back on topic (if we want to salvage some good discussion)

Without wading into the topic of vice, a few things stand out as interesting:

* Pornhub's consolidation of online porn is yet another example of network effects upsetting a well-entrenched industry of big players. The Napster/Amazon/Uber effect works everywhere.

* Like the other markets where the old players are disrupted by network effects, lots of new opportunities are opening up out in the long tails for the keen-eyed.

* @Vigilante 's statistics make for a neat little problem space. Seven out of 10 Americans respond to surveys with a negative attitude to porn... but the market is massive and growing. Another word for contradiction is opportunity. (And thinking more laterally than "making pron")

The moral question is interesting enough though -- as we've seen -- that's a battlefield where there will be no winners. Not on a message board. Maybe with bayonets on a grassy meadow at dawn.

In that spirit I'd be interested in hearing more from @MoreVolume on the business side of the industry. Even if you don't agree with the content (and that is a perfectly fine position to take, for all the reasons mentioned so far) adult biz has been quite good at creative innovation online. Maybe there's something to learn even if we have no ethical stake in its wares?
 

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I ran an adult site when I was a teenager. Never made any real money. I wouldn't touch the adult Industry today with a ten foot pole. This was more than 15 years back in time the past. Today, I feel sorry for the women who get into the adult industry as I feel they are underpaid for what they do. Speaking of "pornstars".

Many of them will grow up later in life(when they reach 30 years of age and older) and realize they made a mistake. That most people in life don't find their job, as glamours as the adult industry wants to portrait it to be. This is what happened to Jenna Jameson but luckily, she found a great man to steer her mind right and away from addiction to prescription pills. And today she is a Trump supporter.

A lot of women will not find help and instead they end up dead or depressed when they are older. If the age limit was 30 years of age to get into adult. Ok, but today 18 year olds gets lured into the industry and this is extremely sad.

I've read that your brain finnish develop when you are 27 years of age. That's almost 10 years past of what the legal age(18 years old) is for adult work in most countries. How many of those women who gets into adult industy has been sexually abused? We can only guess! But a many of them is my guess.
 
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Of course, it is my personal viewpoint but I believe that suppression of sexual desires is off the charts in the US and it's harmful for society as a whole. Divorce rates and cheating rates are off the charts, many males and females feel obligated to follow societal sexual norms, while hiding their browsing history from what they really like and want. It causes suffering and anxiety unessesarily, as it's a part of our biological coding to fantasize, have fetishes, etc... yet in our society that part is suppressed. In other societies, and in the past this has not always been the case
Cheating is off the charts because of how hypersexualized western media is today. We are told everywhere the grass is greener on the other side. Ashley Madison, is one of those temptations we did not have before the Internet. And have you heard for Fifty Shades of Grey? That book series planted new seeds into How Sex should be, western women's heads.

But in arab countries the norm is still
coition for 6 minutes and less and women and married couples live happy life without input from hypersexualised media sources.

What's next, making love with each other in alien suits?
 
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Since non of us are planning (I think) on being sex workers then any view at porn is going to be as an owner/producer... I just don't see any upsides.

That same skill set is going to produce so much more returns in nearly any other kind of online business. The exact same skills (video production, SEO, finding a niche, paid traffic) could be used in a ton of other ways that have a way higher chance of taking off.

It just seems like one of the worst industries to pick. Plus look at the reaction to people on this thread. Do 5 years in porn and then try switch to X unrelated industry. Like it or not people are going to want to avoid the image you are carrying over. You might be fine with it but 70% of people are not (even if they use it privately) so your possible business connections are going to go way down.

Good business is smart business and it just doesn't seem like a very smart industry to be involved in. The potential for something to go sideways real fast seems huge. Web design has its bad days but my computer isn't at risk of catching HIV and suing me.

Morals aside it seems like a very low chance / super high risk business to be getting involved in. The examples of business owners who have done well seem to be the exception, not the rule.
 

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