I think I'm just going to write a book. I already have it figured out, just been getting enough information on the subject the past year.
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When people hide behind morality to make their point, they usually do it to feel superior than someone else. I'm simply calling that out
My business is linked to the porn world. My product was recently nominated for an AVN award. I've formed connections with numerous people in the adult industry. People in front of camera, behind the camera and behind the CPU. Alot of the statements that people are making in this thread are baseless and downright insulting. I know snobbery when I see it.
You should check my posts if you want to claim that I am on the wrong forum. I actually talk about business when I post. I may not be clique'd up with other members on this board, but that does not mean that I do not provide value when I post.
If you actually wanted to talk about business in the porn world, and how money is made in the adult industry, I could actually make this a lively discussion. The adult underworld is quite interesting and profitable.
There you go with that morality stuff.If you are in the industry, you must know that most surveys of Americans show that 70% (roughly) think porn is morally bankrupt. While an argument could be made that more than that watch it, the statistic remains relatively consistent. 7 out of 10 people disagree with your viewpoint.
That's OK. You are free to follow your conscience where ever it leads. However, it probably will never win a debate point when you attack the motive of someone that shares the viewpoint of the majority of Americans.
Nobody argues that Americans as a whole are particularly virtuous, which is why when as a collective they reject the fringe minority that find pornography to be societally acceptable, it's amazing that Americans coalesce around a shared viewpoint.
Assume 7 out of 10 people here find the way you make your living repugnant. Doesn't make them right, but certainly doesn't cede to you any moral high ground either. Hypocrisy abounds on all sides of the topic, which is why it is best to simply go about the business without taking it to personal degregation. Realize that many (most) people would side with him over your character attack over a position held by the majority of Americans. It's simply a losing debate point.
There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol
Btw im not IN the industry. My company produces products that are utilized by men in the industry (and all walks of life). I'm in adult stores....retail stores....a pharmacy.....
Porn is just one of the many ways that I choose to advertise
Nice try though
Instead of trying to go back and forth about your convictions...how about you talk about making actual money. I mean this is a business forum
There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol
Btw im not IN the industry. My company produces products that are utilized by men in the industry (and all walks of life). I'm in adult stores....retail stores....a pharmacy.....
Porn is just one of the many ways that I choose to advertise
Nice try though
Instead of trying to go back and forth about your convictions...how about you talk about making actual money. I mean this is a business forum
It's all due to societal norms and pressures. It's very difficult for the large majority of the population to overcome societal indoctrination.
There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol
Btw im not IN the industry. My company produces products that are utilized by men in the industry (and all walks of life). I'm in adult stores....retail stores....a pharmacy.....
Porn is just one of the many ways that I choose to advertise
Nice try though
You think porn is immoral. Cool.
But this is a business forum, and alot of things could be learned from a real business discussion....
Ah but see you view sexual purity as a deficiency that needs to be overcome. Most view sexual aberration and deviancy as the low ground. You start from a premise that people who hold traditional viewpoints have something they need to overcome. Society disagrees, and the collective sets the bar for where the mores are. You are free (in the United States) to disagree, but in our lifetime your viewpoint will never be even close to a majority.
Society also thinks rich people are evil while a big part of them plays the lottery weekly.
I don't really see the point you want to make.
There you go with that morality stuff.
How many people died this year due to a drunk driver? (Alcohol Industry)
How many children lost their lives in diamond mines? (Precious stones industry)
How many people have throat cancer right now b/c of their nicotine addiction? (Tobacco industry)
How many men were shot up and bombed so that we could you could pump gas into your car this week? (Petrol industry)
I don't really see what point you're trying to make lol
How about all the people tortured, killed, beat up, mutilated in the sexual entertainment world. I have a friend missing since 2001, and the suspect possibly a freak who was involved in drugging up people with GSB, chopped them up, after sexual bull crap. So defend your unethical and immoral world of sexual entertainment, because I know first hand what happens.
If it's all that great of an industry I guess the police wouldn't be busting people sexual crimes. What do you think causes domestic violence, child abuse, and even sometimes gun violence? Are you so blind you don't understand how the nervous system works, and that even if you do know emotional and mental toughness and regulation, over a long period of time, enough abuse, you can't stop the violence from occurring, because it taps into the emotional center, pain and pleasure, reward and punishment, and dopamine, the high way to all addictions.
I think the only person fooling themselves in yourself. Stuff happens behind the scenes every day, we just don't see it in the public eye. You know how many unidentified bodies there are? Do you know how many missing persons there are? I think you go better take a look. While it never gets talked about, some of these cases have to do with Sexual Entertainment.
I'm sure there are stack of cold cases having deal with this industry. I think that's the point. We never hear about the horror stories.
Maybe
I under stand you Vigilante, I just understand more than he wants people to believe. We see this glamorized on social media. I'm tolerant of it, pass it bye, I'm in the Netherlands and understand a different perspective. I just feel sugar coating it like he does and making sound pretty isn't exactly the way it is out there for many people.Anyone who denies the dark side of the sex workers industry is deluding themselves for their own gain at the expense of others.
On any subject, you will find me pro-people.
I'm not interested in your discussion because this is a business message board. I signed up to talk about making money. You're talking about something intrinsic.I cite secular statistics, and I get "there you go with that morality stuff."
You're not interested in a discussion with people that disagree with you. I get that.
"Nice try though."
I don't need to "try" anything. I care exactly 0% how you make your living.
I see no contributions from you to this thread that are business rich or actionable, but then again I would likely have the same cynical viewpoint towards someone who was a fan boy of "fast lane" drug dealers, child traffickers or other lucrative bottom feeder "businesses."
You've made it clear that you want nothing to do with the industry and have no real knowledge about it.....So other than controlling the conversation, why are you still posting in this thread?I think that the internet has transformed the adult world in the same fashion that its changed the mainstream world. Youtube replaced TV. Mindgeek replaced the Adult Video Store. There's no need to pay a cable bill, or make a trip to the store, because everything you need is on your PC.
20 years ago, you'd have to go through Hollywood in order for you talents to make you money in media. These days, if you have a camera, you can sign up to Youtube an gain an audience in a matter of months. Cutting out the so called middleman/gatekeeper. 20 years ago to make it "big" in porn, you'd have to make that same trip (maybe to a different city). But these days, all you need is a camera, and you can also create an audience, and revenue stream for yourself. Of course there were outliers. Community Access TV....Amatuer Porn companies.
Mindgeek's Pornhub is the Youtube of the adult world. Anyone can upload their content, and many people utilize it to bring attention to their platforms. Speaking for myself, I have uploaded commercials with unique coupon codes, and have profited immensely off of them (no I don't do porn). I know girls who have changed their financial standing in a matter of months, after uploading their content on to Pornhub (and other adult media sites).
There are new gatekeepers, and now its easier for people to get in on the action
That's the part that people don't want to understand. People want to think that these girls are innocent victims of circumstance and end up broke and homeless.
A model for my company is an adult film "star". When I connected with her early last year, she was a single mother struggling to pay rent. Trying to bring in enough money to keep her daughter in gymnastics. . A few months ago she moved into a new townhome and can provide her daughter with all of the equipment needed to participate in gymnastics (which isn't cheap). She has leveraged her following into a few hundred dollars a night from Webcam shows, and possibly a grand or two from making an appearance in a strip club. Half of her daughters gymnastic equipment was purchased by fans, on her Amazon wish list.
Some of these women understand business. Some don't. No different than the mainstream world.
IMO, that provides more value to a business board than talking about one's moral compass.
I have a Pharmacy School education, and used my knowledge to start a dietary supplement company. I reached the 6-fig revenue mark in 2017.I would have nothing if it wasn't for my team's early belief in my vision and leadership. I wonder how far I would have gotten conducting myself like you... The answer is probably stuck in my parents basement running a 30k per year porn "empire."
I have a Pharmacy School education, and used my knowledge to start a dietary supplement company. I reached the 6-fig revenue mark in 2017.
Try again
The only reason that this thread is going off the rails is because you guys are taking it thereWow... 6 whole unverified figures of top line revenue.
The only reason that this thread is going off the rails is because you guys are taking it there
You never started. Just typed up a bunch of psychobabble in efforts to sound smartNo worries I'm done.
After throwing in a last minute cheap shot. Tell me your credentials, so I can throw them in quotation marks too. What a jokeWas your pharmacy school "accredited" too?
Riiiiight, it's everyone else. No melodrama from you, though.The only reason that this thread is going off the rails is because you guys are taking it there
Ah but see you view sexual purity as a deficiency that needs to be overcome. Most view sexual aberration and deviancy as the low ground. You start from a premise that people who hold traditional viewpoints have something they need to overcome. Society disagrees, and the collective sets the bar for where the mores are. You are free (in the United States) to disagree, but in our lifetime your viewpoint will never be even close to a majority.
Cheating is off the charts because of how hypersexualized western media is today. We are told everywhere the grass is greener on the other side. Ashley Madison, is one of those temptations we did not have before the Internet. And have you heard for Fifty Shades of Grey? That book series planted new seeds into How Sex should be, western women's heads.Of course, it is my personal viewpoint but I believe that suppression of sexual desires is off the charts in the US and it's harmful for society as a whole. Divorce rates and cheating rates are off the charts, many males and females feel obligated to follow societal sexual norms, while hiding their browsing history from what they really like and want. It causes suffering and anxiety unessesarily, as it's a part of our biological coding to fantasize, have fetishes, etc... yet in our society that part is suppressed. In other societies, and in the past this has not always been the case
If someone calls you for a survey you might say it's immoral, but look through their browser history and it'll tell you a different story.
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