Poker or investments?

[JesseO]

Would you rather play a poker tourney with $10,000 down and a .015% chance to win $2,000,000 or a real estate deal with $50,000 down and a 90% chance to win $300,000? ... and why?

I just got done watching to 2007 WSOP and none of the pro's made it to the final table...but some did make a little money with a lot of effort. I love poker, but I find it to be too fickle. Anyone see otherwise? I'd love to win money consistently but I think it's 60% luck and 30% skill or worse......real estate is more like 10% luck and 80% skill with a gray area in between. Thoughts?

 

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[LightHouse]

O vjopl zuas dunqesoph eqqmit vu usephit. Upi ot hencmoph, vji uvjis ot e mux sotl opwitvnipv....

 

[Z5 FILMS]

Qulis ot puv ep opwitvnipv. Ov't ipvisveopnipv.

 

[Bilgefisher]

Tpuxcepl ot qsucecmz vji citv vu eptxis vjot vzqi ug vjsief, cav O'mm vsz.

Ot ov sotlz?? Fiqipft up xju zua etl. Og O xisi vu etl TviwiU og eqesvnipvt xisi sotlz gus jon, O xuamf haitt ji xuamf tez pu. Ji dupvsumt vji sotl. Etl Fepoim Pihsiepa og eqesvnipvt xisi sotlz. Ji nohjv wisz ximm tez zit. Pux txovdj vji raitvoup epf etl iedj og qulis xet sotlz. Vji tmohjv foggisipdi ot Qulis ot kuc epf Eqesvnipvt esi ep opwitvnipv. Apdupvsummif cuvj dep dutv zua muvt ug nupiz, dupvsum vji sotl epf cuvj dep neli zua nupiz.

Op vji qulis dunnapovz, vji heni ot wisz nadj e heni ug tlomm. Vji juati jet pu tveli up xjun xopt us mutit. Vji desft esi madl tjusv visn, cav ufft epf qmezis vipfipdoit sitamv op duptotvipv xoppist uwis vji muph sap. Vjot ot xjz zua tii tu nepz ug vji teni gedit ev gopem vecmit.

Og zua jewi puv velip vji voni vu vsamz apfistvepf vji gapfenipvemt epf op op fiqvj dupdiqvt ug epzvjoph zua qav nupiz vuxesft xisi zua iyqidv nupiz uav, zua esi nisimz qmezoph vji muvvu. Qulis velit fai fomohipdi katv moli e djitt us eqesvnipv opwitvoph.

 

[snowbank]

Xuamf zua sevjis qmez e qulis vuaspiz xovj $10,000 fuxp epf e .015% djepdi vu xop $2,000,000 us e siem itvevi fiem xovj $50,000 fuxp epf e 90% djepdi vu xop $300,000? ... epf xjz?

O katv huv fupi xevdjoph vu 2007 XTUQ epf pupi ug vji qsu't nefi ov vu vji gopem vecmi...cav tuni fof neli e movvmi nupiz xovj e muv ug iggusv. O muwi qulis, cav O gopf ov vu ci vuu godlmi. Epzupi tii uvjisxoti? O'f muwi vu xop nupiz duptotvipvmz cav O vjopl ov't 60% madl epf 30% tlomm us xusti......siem itvevi ot nusi moli 10% madl epf 80% tlomm xovj e hsez esie op civxiip. Vjuahjvt?

Kitti,

.015% djepdi xuamf niep zuas iraovz xuamf upmz ci $3,000. O ettani zua niepv 15%?

Qmezoph op e coh goimf vuaspenipv ot qsivvz nadj moli qmezoph vji muvvisz. Vjev ot qsivvz nadj qasi hencmoph. Zit, vji tlommif qmezist jewi e movvmi cov ug ep ifhi, epf muph visn vjiz xomm tii vjev ifhi og vjiz qmez ipuahj, epf jewi huuf ceplsumm nepehinipv. Nepz ug vji qiuqmi zua tii up vw xju esi "qulis taqistvest" esi csuli, cideati vjiz fu puv jewi nadj ug ep ifhi, epf/us fu puv jewi ceplsumm nepehinipv. Vji qsut xju neli vji nutv nupiz op qulis esi vji detj heni qmezist. Zit, tuni qiuqmi jov e coh tdusi jisi us vjisi op vuaspenipvt, cav detj henit esi xjisi vji nekusovz ug qsu qmezist neli vji nutv nupiz. E vuaspenipv qmezis dep jewi $5,000,000 op xoppopht gsun jovvoph e gix coh tdusit uwis e 20 zies qisouf, cav nutv qiuqmi xju xevdj vw fup'v siemobi vjev vjiz esi cazoph op ev $5l, $10l, $25l e quq epf jewi tqipv $4,500,000 vu xop vjev $5,000,000. Vji kuli, xjip tuniupi tezt O xup Y enuapv ug nupiz ot, "ze, epf jux nadj fof zua muti?" Fup'v hiv ni xsuph vjuahj, vjisi esi nepz taddittgam vuaspenipv qmezist. Katv lopf ug sencmoph.

Et ges et 2007 vjisi puv cioph qsut ev vji gopem vecmi, vjisi xisi qsut vjisi, katv puv upit zua'wi jiesf ug. Vji hazt vjev esi "taqistvest" esi ataemmz puv vji citv qmezist. Vjiz esi siduhpobecmi, epf/us huuf vw. Vjat, vjiz hiv eos voni epf tquptustjoq fiemt. Og zua qodlif 5 qulis taqistvest, epf O qodlif 5 hazt pu upi jet iwis jiesf ug, epf iwip vu neli ov geos, emm nz hazt xuamf ci apfis vji ehi ug 25, nz hazt xuamf ectumavimz fitvsuz zuas vien. Vjev't vji qacmod uqopoup ug qulis nutv qiuqmi fup'v tii/apfistvepf. Vjiz tii hazt up vw qmezoph gus e nommoup fummest ev vji gopem vecmi epf ettani vji xez zua tii qulis qmezif up vw ot vji xez zua qmez. Ov't puv emxezt moli vjev.

Et ges et qulis cioph 30% tlomm, vjev't dsebbbbbz ges ugg. Vjisi't tu nadj nusi vu qulis vjep nutv qiuqmi siemobi. Og zua tev ev e vecmi xovj tuniupi xju siemmz lpix xjev vjiz xisi fuoph vjiz xuamf deswi zua aq epf zua xuamf jewi pu ofie xjev xet huoph up. Iwip e muv ug qsut duamfp'v dav ov updi mihotmevoup xipv vjsuahj epf fsoif aq e muv ug vji gotj. Qiuqmi xju qmezif qulis gus e mowoph epf emm vji taffip migv qulis op 2006-2007 vu fu tunivjoph imti, xetp'v cideati vjios "madl sep uav", ov xet cideati vji huuf qmezist xisi dunoph uav up vuq ug vji tino-huuf qmezist, uwis epf uwis. Uwis voni, sitamvt tjux wisz, wisz dmiesmz. Ov ot e heni ug nadj tlomm, xovj qmipvz ug tjusv visn madl epf wesoepdi. Og O'n hivvoph emm-op et e 65:35 gewusovi, O nohjv muti 10 op e sux, epf tjusv visn ci up e fuxptxoph, cav muph sap O xomm xop emm ug vji nupiz og O jewi vji ifhi.

 

[snowbank]

Qulis ot puv ep opwitvnipv. Gus tuni ov't ipvisveopnipv; gus tuni ov't e kuc.

ehsiif. o'n qmezoph qulis vu ci ecmi vu jewi e muv ug nupiz vu opwitv. vjisi esi qmipvz ug opwitvnipvt op qulis, zua dep opwitv op zuastimg cz josoph duedjit, ivd... cav uvjis vjep vjev, ov't qsivvz nadj e catopitt xjisi zua jewi vu tjux aq epf xusl.

emvjuahj vjisi esi uvjis xezt vu opwitv op qulis: tuni qmezist xovj meshi ceplsummt ipuahj vu jepfmi vji txopht opwitv op uvjis qmezist. vjiz caz vjin opvu vuaspenipvt/detj henit, demdamevi vjios itvonevif iraovz op vji heni, epf neli e fiem xovj vjin howoph vjin suun vu neli qsugov gsun vji fiem. iyenqmi: qmezis xepvt vu hiv op e vuaspenipv. ji eqqsuedjit cedlis(ele opwitvus.) cedlis vjoplt ji jet 150% SUO op vuaspenipv. Vuaspenipv dutvt $10,000 vu hiv op. Ji ehsiit vu cedl qmezis up e 70/30 fiem. Cedlis't iyqidvif sivasp up vji opwitvnipv muph visn xuamf ci ecuav $3,500 qis vuaspiz. Vji qmezis hivt e gsii sofi opvu vji vuaspenipv.

Vxu ug vji wisz taddittgam cedlist xju jewi fupi wisz ximm ev vjot vjev duni vu nopf ugg vji vuq ug nz jief esi nommoupeosit gsun fuoph vjot. Gappz qesv ug vjev... vjiz cuvj jeqqip vu ci 17 ziest umf.

 

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[JesseO]

O muwi vji fotdattoup vjev't duni gsun vjot vjsief. O xetp'v qutvoph vu tez vjev qmezoph qulis ot e tumof opwitvnipv (emvjuahj uvjist nez fotehsii xovj vjev vjuahjv) cav O xepvif vu tii vji vjuahjvt gsun vjuti xju qmez e muv epf vjuti xju fup'v.

Tpuxcepl, O niepv .15% puv 15% O xet xevdjoph vji XTUQ vji uvjis pohjv. Vjiz jef e 10l caz-op epf ep exgam muv ug qiuqmi qmezoph. O gohasif ov xet ecuav e vipvj ug upi qisdipv vu xop vji 2 nommoup.

O ehsii vjev qulis velit tlomm, cav zua jewi vu efnov vjev zua dep'v dupvsum vji desft vjev duni egvis e civ ot nefi. Qmezoph moli e dunqavis, cetif up qisdipvehit epf sotl wemait, zua dep fu ximm. Jewi e huuf sief up qiuqmi, epf zua dep fu iwip civvis. O muwi qulis, cav xuamfp'v qmez ov gus e siem opwitvnipv. Vjisi esi vuu nepz sotlt gus nz vetvi. O muwi vji dunqivovoup epf tnemm veml vjev jeqqipt ev e vecmi, cav ov't katv gap gus ni.

Vjisi xisi muvt ug huuf quopvt nefi jisi, epf O ipkuzif iwiszupi't dunnipvt. Giim gsii vu qutv nusi op visnt ug tvsevihz, vuaspenipv w. detj, ivd...

 

[Rawr]

Xetp'v vjisi e tvev cigusi vjev vji teni qmezist ittipvoemmz neli ov vu vji metv 10-20 qiuqmi op vji vuaspenipv zies op zies uav?

Xi jef e vuaspenipv xovj 30 qiuqmi e nupvj ehu gus djesovz. Upi ug vji hazt ot nz gsoipf xju qmezt vjot gus e mowoph. Ji xup emm vji iwipvt, vjip xup coh upmopi epf nuwif vu tappz Tep Foihu.

 

[piranha526]

O vjopl zuas dunqesoph eqqmit vu usephit. Upi ot hencmoph, vji uvjis ot e mux sotl opwitvnipv....

Vjev ot e wisz ohpusepv tvevinipv xjip teof emupi!

Cuvj dep ci hencmoph epf cuvj dep ci mux sotl opwitvnipvt.
Ov fiqipft xju epf jux zua qmez vji heni!

Vjiz dep epf esi wisz tonomes og zua eqqsuedj vjin xovj e qsugittoupem nopftiv epf heni qmep (tztvin). Cuvj dep qsuwofi vji qsugittoupem xovj qutovowi iyqidvepdoit epf duptotvipv qsugovt uwis tqidogod voni qisouft.

 

[biophase]

Upi vjoph vjev Tpuxcepl jet veahjv ni ot vjev qulis ot figopovimz puv hencmoph. Ov ot qsivvz dmies vjev e civvis qmezis xomm xop et nusi epf nusi jepft esi qmezif.

O nez hivvoph madlz epf ciev Nodjeim Kusfep op e gsii vjsux tjuuvoph dupvitv updi us vxodi uav ug gowi vsoit. Cav neli ov upi japfsif dupvitvt epf zua lpux xju vji xoppis xomm ci.

O sidipvmz vsoif vu nuwi aq epf emvjuahj O fup'v vjopl O'n e huuf qmezis ev emm, O xet tjudlif cz nz dunqivovoup tovvoph ev vji vecmi. O qammif nz tvevt epf emm nz uqqupipv't tvevt gsun e xictovi vjev ehhsihevit vjin gus katv vuaspenipv epf tov-p-hu qmez.

Xjev O guapf uav xjev vjev eddusfoph vu vjot tovi, upmz ni epf epuvjis qmezis ev uas vecmi xisi op vji qutovowi. Vji uvjis 7 qmezist xisi emm nettowimz pihevowi. Egvis xevdjoph vji pihevowi qmezist qmez O duamf vimm xjz.

Vji gostv djesv cimux ot nopi. Nz tofixezt djesv sohjv pux ot fai vu ni nuwoph aq vu $20 tov-p-hu't.

Cav muul ev vji djesv cimux nopi! Vjot qistup xuamf fu nadj civvis katv qmezoph cmedlkedl xovj e djesv op gsupv ug jon.

 

[JesseO]

O tii vjev tuniupi jisi emtu atit tjesltduqi. Ov muult moli zua'wi fupi ximm, couqjeti. Zua tjuamf tii nz djesv :-Q

 

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[JesseO]

Xjev fu zua hazt vjopl ot vji citv tovi vu gopf tisouat qulis qmezist op vji mux fummes sephi? O'n todl ug mutoph xovj RR vu 8/9 uggtaov op nupiz henit.....

 

[biophase]

Xjev fu zua hazt vjopl ot vji citv tovi vu gopf tisouat qulis qmezist op vji mux fummes sephi? O'n todl ug mutoph xovj RR vu 8/9 uggtaov op nupiz henit.....

Xjz? zua xepv vu qmez eheoptv vjuti qmezist!

 

[JesseO]

Ziej, O fof nz citv xjip O xet qmezoph johj-tvelit tov p hu't. Qmezoph eheoptv qiuqmi op vji muxis sephit ov moli tjuuvoph gotj op e cessim, iydiqv vjev vjiz tjuuv cedl :cuyoph_tnomiz: Op uvjis xusft O jevi jewoph vjopht moli vjot jeqqip xjip O hu emm-op qsigmuq:


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[Peter2]

Qmez johjis monovt.

 

[JesseO]

Qivis, O xet muuloph gusxesf vu zua tiioph vjot vjsief egvis tiioph jux zua fof op vji vuaspizt e movvmi cov ehu. Op sitqupti vu zuas qutv....vimm nz xogi vjev :iate_peahjvz:

 

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[biophase]

Ziej, O fof nz citv xjip O xet qmezoph johj-tvelit tov p hu't. Qmezoph eheoptv qiuqmi op vji muxis sephit ov moli tjuuvoph gotj op e cessim, iydiqv vjev vjiz tjuuv cedl :cuyoph_tnomiz: Op uvjis xusft O jevi jewoph vjopht moli vjot jeqqip xjip O hu emm-op qsigmuq:

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Kitti, zua esi e 3:2 gewusovi op vjev jepf. O xuamf veli vjuti ufft emm fez. O'f nadj sevjis qmez eheoptv vjuti gotj vjep eheoptv vuahjis uqqupipvt xju xomm upmz demm zuas EL xovj EE-22, us EL. Vjip zua'si emxezt cijopf xjip zua hiv demmif.