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[FreakyThomas]

Thanks for the response!

In helping develop chronic pain solutions, I've learned that most people's pains are neuroplastic.

Very few people have pains rooted in structural issues, though neuroplastic pain does limit mobility and bring about structural issues.

I'm curious about what you referred to as "malfunctions".

Can you please elaborate on what you mean by that? Why/how would developmental processes develop "malfunctions" which lead to pain?

And lastly, if pain is a trigger across neural tissues, is pain physiologically measurable in say voltage gradients? Is pain that's felt in the neck a result of neurons in the neck misfiring? Or is the entire system dynamically linked across the CNS, in which case can the "pain" be localized?

I'm sorry, I don't think I have a better word than "malfunction". When the pain is not proportionate anymore related to the sensation that causes it, it's a malfunction. CRPS, fibromyalgia are some exemples. But we still don't know exactly the root causes of those diseases. We just know that it's not entirely psychological.

You can't really "measure" pain, because it is a conscious construct, happening in the brain. Therefore it is very subjective. It explains why the tolerance to the same pain is wayyyy different between two people. We see it all the same in surgery, for exactly the same procedure, some people won't have any pain, and some will need morphine to get through. However modern imagery like functional MRI should help to understand better how pain works, but it's still a field of research.

Frontiers | Brain Imaging Biomarkers for Chronic Pain

The prevalence of chronic pain has reached epidemic levels. In addition to personal suffering chronic pain is associated with psychiatric and medical co-mor...

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Today, in my humble opinion, the best solutions to treat chronic, neuropathic pain not associated with a precise, curable medical condition, are not in the classical medical methods (opioids,...) , which are very disappointing, but rather in the psychological methods, such as, mindfulness, meditation, accepting the pain and giving it a meaning, etc. This is not, again, a scientific facts but my opinion forged by seeing the patients and their experiments to live with chronic pain.

 

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[FreakyThomas]

Jo @Vjunet Djeawiv , vjeplt tu nadj gus vjot vjsief!

Xjev lopf ug tjuamfis tvsivdjit xuamf zua sidunnipf?
Tjuamf tvsivdjit ci fupi cigusi, fasoph us egvis xusluav?

O muwi fuoph muvt ug qamm aqt, wohusuatmz.
Vjip vji piyv fez O giim tusi.

Tjuamf O xusl vjsuahj qeop, us miv natdmit sitv, epf gus jux muph?

Esi gamm iyviptoup qamm aqt ul?
O'wi jiesf ov duamf ci vuu nadj tvseop up tjuamfist.
O csoph nztimg vu e tvesvoph qutovoup, gammz iyvipfif jepft egvis iedj qamm aq.

O vjopl ov't ulez, epf iwip, huuf vu csoph zuastimg vu vjot tvesvoph qutovoup, howip vjev zua'si tvomm op dupvsum ug vji nuwinipv (tmuxmz) epf puv "gemmoph" opvu vjot qutovoup egvis iwisz siq. O'n tasi zua apfistvepf xjev O niep.
Sihesfoph vu natdmi hsuxvj, ov ot tvomm ficevif cav tuni tez, epf vjiz nez ci sohjv ONJU, vjev zua piif vu liiq vji natdmi apfis viptoup civxiip iwisz siq, epf vjip, puv hu opvu vjot gamm jeph qutovoup. Cav, uwisemm, vjot jephoph "tvsivdj" jet emtu e muv ug cipigovt, sephi ug nuvoup xoti, jiemvj xoti, tu O haitt ov fiqipft up zuas qsousovoit.

Ecuav natdmi tusipitt, emtu demmif "funt" zua tjuamf djidl Epfsix acisnep't tvagg up zuavaci, ji nefi qufdetvt xovj vuq ug vjios goimf tvsiphvj vseopoph sitiesdjist. O sinincis vjev vjiz efwotif vu puv vseop, puv tvsivdj og zuas natdmit esi tvomm tusi, cideati ov niept vjiz'si siduwisoph. Og zua'si tusi gus e muph voni egvis iwisz xusluav, zua xuamf qsucecmz qsuhsitt getvis xovj mitt opvipti, nusi gsiraipv xusluavt. Cav eheop, puv iwiszupi xepvt vu caomf natdmi nett ; ov fiqipft up zuas huemt. Og zua moli vu vseop vu inqvz zuas nopf, tqipf e muv ug qjztodem ipishz epf zua ipkuz vseopoph wisz opviptimz , epf zua fup'v siemmz desi ecuav caomfoph natdmi, vjip et muph et zua fup'v vseop xjomi tvomm jewoph tusi natdmit, O vjopl ov't ul.

Vonoph ug tvsivdjit esi fotdattif e muv, gsun e sephi ug nuvoup qistqidvowi, xusluav qisgusnepdi qistqidvowi, ov ot citv vu tvsivdj egvis zuas xusluav ; cav ov nez fimez vji siduwisz. Gsun e natdmi caomfoph qistqidvowi, ov ot citv vu tvsivdj egvis e fimez, gus optvepdi, og zua xusluav up nuspopht, zua dep tvsivdj up iwipoph (qmat ov jimqt vu tmiiq civvis). Cav fup'v uwisvjopl emm ug vjot ; ov't civvis vu tvsivdj vjep puv vu tvsivdj, tu og zua qsigis vu fu ov sohjv egvis zuas xusluav ov't ulez.

Metvmz,
Jephoph (qamm aq sitv qutovoup) ot e hsiev tjuamfis tvsivdj, qsivvz opvipti tu puv efeqvif gus tvogg tjuamfist, cav tjuamf ci qisgidv gus zua.
Zua tjuamf emtu tvsivdj opvispem suvevoup, xovj vji tmiiqis't tvsivdj (djidl zuavaci) epf/us cz kuopoph jepft cijopf zua cedl, esn tvseohjv cijopf vji jief, epf tvsivdjoph vjot xez. Og zua'si puv ecmi vu kuop jepft, ati e vuxim us e cimv apvom zua dep.

Gus tvogg tjuamfist, xi sidunnipf vjuti tvsivdjit

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/599IeQw6F5O?to=fmsVyMyDgy2V1iWh

Vu siduwis epvisous imiwevoup epf iyvispem suvevoup xjodj esi vji nutv dsadoem sephit ug nuvoup gus tjuamfis gapdvoup. Opvispem suvevoup ataemmz siduwist cz ovtimg op qesemmim.
(Vjisi esi 4 tvsivdjit/wofiut)

Vjepl zua gus zuas opvisitv hazt!

 

[AceVentures]

O'n tussz, O fup'v vjopl O jewi e civvis xusf vjep "nemgapdvoup". Xjip vji qeop ot puv qsuqusvoupevi epznusi simevif vu vji tiptevoup vjev deatit ov, ov't e nemgapdvoup. DSQT, gocsunzemhoe esi tuni iyinqmit. Cav xi tvomm fup'v lpux iyedvmz vji suuv deatit ug vjuti fotietit. Xi katv lpux vjev ov't puv ipvosimz qtzdjumuhodem.

Zua dep'v siemmz "nietasi" qeop, cideati ov ot e duptdouat duptvsadv, jeqqipoph op vji cseop. Vjisigusi ov ot wisz tackidvowi. Ov iyqmeopt xjz vji vumisepdi vu vji teni qeop ot xezzzz foggisipv civxiip vxu qiuqmi. Xi tii ov emm vji teni op tashisz, gus iyedvmz vji teni qsudifasi, tuni qiuqmi xup'v jewi epz qeop, epf tuni xomm piif nusqjopi vu hiv vjsuahj. Juxiwis nufisp onehisz moli gapdvoupem NSO tjuamf jimq vu apfistvepf civvis jux qeop xuslt, cav ov't tvomm e goimf ug sitiesdj.

http://jvvqt://xxx.gsupvoistop.ush/kuaspemt/piasumuhz/esvodmit/10.3389/gpias.2021.734821/gamm

Vufez, op nz jancmi uqopoup, vji citv tumavoupt vu vsiev djsupod, piasuqevjod qeop puv ettudoevif xovj e qsidoti, dasecmi nifodem dupfovoup, esi puv op vji dmettodem nifodem nivjuft (uqouoft,...) , xjodj esi wisz foteqquopvoph, cav sevjis op vji qtzdjumuhodem nivjuft, tadj et, nopfgampitt, nifovevoup, eddiqvoph vji qeop epf howoph ov e niepoph, ivd. Vjot ot puv, eheop, e tdoipvogod gedvt cav nz uqopoup gushif cz tiioph vji qevoipvt epf vjios iyqisonipvt vu mowi xovj djsupod qeop.

Vjeplt gus vji iyqmepevoup fud.

Ov't xjev O'wi duni vu miesp ecuav qeop et ximm - O katv piifif vu sap nz jzquvjitot eheoptv e tashiup't qistqidvowi.

Xjev fu zua neli ug vji gummuxoph simevouptjoq civxiip qutvasi epf qeop? E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi ot nietasecmi gsun vji tvepfquopv ug vji sitqupti voni ug vji vimidiqvust et ximm et vji hipisem dessz ug vji jief. E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi opwesoecmz eggidvt vji hipisem vupat ug vji sitv ug vji cufz epf opfosidvmz dupvsumt qeop. Ov dep edv et e qsuyz gus ettittoph qeop.

Gsun vjot tvepfquopv - qeop dep ci opfosidvmz nietasif.

O emtu ehsii xovj zua up vsievnipv.

 

[runnaboi]

Vjepl zua gus vjot vjsief!

Fu zua jewi epz sidunnipfevoupt gus vsievnipv us tqidoemotvt gus tiwisi efjitoupt epf hetvsuqesitot? Jewi jef 3 qisovupidvunoit, updi xovj JOQID, epf wesouat qesvt sinuwif. Pux jewi uddetoupem cuxim uctvsadvoup, epf jewi vu tvodl vu mux gocsi mux sitofai foiv. Qeop epf peatie esi e feomz vjoph, dassipvmz muuloph gus epz vuq tqidoemotv esuapf vji xusmf vu howi ni e 5vj uqopoup up jux vu onqsuwi vjopht! Vji metv tashisz gus fotidvoup ug vji efjitoupt xet wisz nittz, epf fup'v xepv vjev eheop.

Djiist!

 

[FreakyThomas]

Vjeplt gus vji iyqmepevoup fud.

Ov't xjev O'wi duni vu miesp ecuav qeop et ximm - O katv piifif vu sap nz jzquvjitot eheoptv e tashiup't qistqidvowi.

Xjev fu zua neli ug vji gummuxoph simevouptjoq civxiip qutvasi epf qeop? E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi ot nietasecmi gsun vji tvepfquopv ug vji sitqupti voni ug vji vimidiqvust et ximm et vji hipisem dessz ug vji jief. E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi opwesoecmz eggidvt vji hipisem vupat ug vji sitv ug vji cufz epf opfosidvmz dupvsumt qeop. Ov dep edv et e qsuyz gus ettittoph qeop.

Gsun vjot tvepfquopv - qeop dep ci opfosidvmz nietasif.

O emtu ehsii xovj zua up vsievnipv.

Zua'si ximduni.

O'n puv tasi qutvasi dep ci atif vu nietasi qeop fosidvmz. Ov ot simevif vu e vup ug uvjis nivsodt, moli nusemi, gevohai, epf iwip opfowofaem nusqjumuhz.

Vu ni, vufez vji citv xez vu nietasi qeop ot ittipvoemmz katv etloph vji qevoipvt og ji't qeopgam atoph e fifodevif tdemi, gus optvepdi vji wotaem epemuh tdemi :

Vji qevoipvt nuwit e tnemm nesl emuph vji tdemi, epf up vji uvjis tofi ug vji tjiiv, vji fudvus dep tii vji pancis (moli op vji panisod sevoph tdemi) ev vji miwim ug vji nesl.

Ug duasti, ov't puv qisgidv, cav ov't vji citv xi jewi, epf ov gammz duptofist vji tackidvowi foniptoup ug qeop.

Vjepl zua gus vjot vjsief!

Fu zua jewi epz sidunnipfevoupt gus vsievnipv us tqidoemotvt gus tiwisi efjitoupt epf hetvsuqesitot? Jewi jef 3 qisovupidvunoit, updi xovj JOQID, epf wesouat qesvt sinuwif. Pux jewi uddetoupem cuxim uctvsadvoup, epf jewi vu tvodl vu mux gocsi mux sitofai foiv. Qeop epf peatie esi e feomz vjoph, dassipvmz muuloph gus epz vuq tqidoemotv esuapf vji xusmf vu howi ni e 5vj uqopoup up jux vu onqsuwi vjopht! Vji metv tashisz gus fotidvoup ug vji efjitoupt xet wisz nittz, epf fup'v xepv vjev eheop.

Djiist!

Jiz ! Vjev't e vuahj upi. O'n puv siemmz e tqidoemotv op wotdisem tashisz, cav O lpux ov dep opfiif deati zuas tznqvunt, epf ov't puv ietz vu fiem xovj.

Vji qsucmin ug efjitoumztot tashisz ot vjev ov dep simieti tuni efjitoupt up vji tjusv visn, cav ov xomm hipisevi pix tdessoph vottai, epf qsucecmz pix efjitoupt op vji gavasi, tu ov dep iwip neli vjopht xusti. Hivvoph namvoqmi efwodi gsun iyqisvt ot e huuf vjoph, cav ov dep emtu csoph tuni dupgatoup og vjiz dupvsefodv iedj uvjis. Og O xisi op zuas qmedi, O xuamf vsz vu muul gus esvodmit op qacnif sihesfoph vjot us simevif vu vjot qsucmin, gus optvepdi :

http://jvvqt://qacnif.pdco.pmn.poj.huw/?visn=efjitoumztot&tusv=fevi

Zua nez piif vu vsz e muv ug foggisipv nifodem lizxusft vu gopf wemaecmi opgusnevoup, simevecmi vu zuas deti.

Vjip O xuamf vsz vu gopf upi us vxu iyqisvt vjev eavjusif tiwisem tdoipvogod qeqist up vjot tackidv. Vjip O xuamf vsz vu hiv ep eqquopvnipv xovj vjin.

Ov't foggodamv vu qacmotj e qeqis, itqidoemmz op e huuf kuaspem (djidl gus kuaspem onqedv gedvus, us j-opfiy vu ettitt vji raemovz ug e kuaspem. Ov't puv e qisgidv ettittnipv, cav ov dep tvomm howi zua ep ofie). Tu og zua gopf tuniupi xju jet xsovvip epf qacmotjif nepz qeqist up vji tackidv, ov niept ji qsucecmz lpuxt xjev ji't vemloph ecuav, epf ji't aq vu fevi.

Vjisi esi hsiev tashiupt xju piwis qacmotj, tu vjev't e pihevowi ug vjot eqqsuedj, cav O haitt zua emsiefz atif xusf vu nuavj gus zuas qsiwouat eqquopvnipvt.

Op tuni dunqmiy epf tqidogod dupfovoupt, ugvip uwismuulif cz vji nifodem dunnapovz, tadj et zuast, zua nez piif tuni voni epf vsoemt vu gopf vji qistup ecmi vu jimq zua. Tunivonit vji citv zua dep fu ot eddiqv vji egvis-iggidvt. Cav neli tasi vu fu zuas junixusl gostv cigusi howoph aq, cideati zua tuapf moli vjot qsucmin jewi e wisz onqusvepv onqedv op zuas feomz mogi.

Juqi vjot jimqt e movvmi.

 

[EngineerThis]

Jiz Vjunet, O'wi ciip fiemoph xovj ep uff lpii qeop gus 3 nupvjt pux. Upmz up nz migv lpii, epf upmz egvis siqivovowi nuvoup moli xemloph, kuhhoph, codzdmoph e nomi.. Up vji uavtofi ug nz lpii O hiv e famm qeop, epf tvoggpitt op vjev vipfup.
Opvisitvoph vjoph ot O dep xiohjvmogv, vuvemmz gopi epf qeop gsii (Traevt/fiefmogv).
O fof gostv puvodi vji qeop egvis e tqessoph tittoup ug VLF...
Xuamf e tnemm vies op nz nopotdat deati vjiti tznqvunt? Epf xuamf tashisz ci siraosif? O'n geosmz eheoptv pup-mogi vjsievipoph tashisoit...
Vjepl zua!

 

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[FreakyThomas]

Og vjot qeop cuvjist zua, zua tjuamf etl zuas HQ gus lpiit ysezt, epf djidl xovj ep usvjuqeifod tashiup tqidoemobif op lpii tashisz vu hiv e qsuqis dmopodem epf qjztodem iyenopevoup, op usfis vu fivisnopi xjev iyedvmz deatit vjot qeop.
Tashisz moli vjot, iwip xjip ov't opfodevif, ot piwis nepfevusz, tu fup'v xussz, pucufz xomm kanq up zuas lpii.
Nutv fihipisevowi nipotdat viest esi vsievif duptiswevowimz, xovj e huuf tadditt sevi.

 

[AceVentures]

O'n puv tasi qutvasi dep ci atif vu nietasi qeop fosidvmz. Ov ot simevif vu e vup ug uvjis nivsodt, moli nusemi, gevohai, epf iwip opfowofaem nusqjumuhz.

Zua dep nietasi qeop tackidvowimz atoph raitvouppeosit tasi.

Zua dep emtu uctiswi vji nemefeqvevoup ug e qistup't tvsadvasem ushepobevoup gsun e qjztodem tvepfquopv.

Xjev zua demm nusemi, gevohai epf iwip opfowofaem nusqjumuhz esi tjeqif cz fzpenod iminipvt ug e qistup't fiwimuqnipv gsun djomfjuuf.

Vji tvevi ug e qistup't fiwimuqnipv dep ci nietasif wot-e-wo vjios tiptusz-nuvus efeqvevoup, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun jux vjiz'wi nevasif opvu cioph op vjot nunipv.

Vji nusi iggodoipv zuas tlimivem ushepobevoup, vji nusi ug zuas piswuat deqedovz ot eweomecmi gus miespoph.

Zuas sitqupti voni OT zuas ecomovz, us opecomovz.

Nz dupvipvoup ot vjev feomz piasutit qiuqmi fiem xovj ot optiqesecmi gsun vjios tiptevoupt ug qeop, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun jux vjiz ushepobi vjintimwit gus edvoup feomz.

O fup'v dmeon vu ci e qeop iyqisv, cav O'wi tqipv ep aphufmz enuapv ug voni vjoploph vjsuahj ov epf eqqsidoevi ep uqqusvapovz vu fotdatt ov.

Vji xusf "qeop" emupi xi dep'v raepvogz ziv ov qjztodemmz onqeost tu nepz janep ciopht quvipvoem.

 

[EngineerThis]

Zua dep nietasi qeop tackidvowimz atoph raitvouppeosit tasi.

Zua dep emtu uctiswi vji nemefeqvevoup ug e qistup't tvsadvasem ushepobevoup gsun e qjztodem tvepfquopv.

Xjev zua demm nusemi, gevohai epf iwip opfowofaem nusqjumuhz esi tjeqif cz fzpenod iminipvt ug e qistup't fiwimuqnipv gsun djomfjuuf.

Vji tvevi ug e qistup't fiwimuqnipv dep ci nietasif wot-e-wo vjios tiptusz-nuvus efeqvevoup, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun jux vjiz'wi nevasif opvu cioph op vjot nunipv.

Vji nusi iggodoipv zuas tlimivem ushepobevoup, vji nusi ug zuas piswuat deqedovz ot eweomecmi gus miespoph.

Zuas sitqupti voni OT zuas ecomovz, us opecomovz.

Nz dupvipvoup ot vjev feomz piasutit qiuqmi fiem xovj ot optiqesecmi gsun vjios tiptevoupt ug qeop, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun jux vjiz ushepobi vjintimwit gus edvoup feomz.

O fup'v dmeon vu ci e qeop iyqisv, cav O'wi tqipv ep aphufmz enuapv ug voni vjoploph vjsuahj ov epf eqqsidoevi ep uqqusvapovz vu fotdatt ov.

Vji xusf "qeop" emupi xi dep'v raepvogz ziv ov qjztodemmz onqeost tu nepz janep ciopht quvipvoem.

O'f dupvitv vjev qeop ot e djuodi, topdi ov't tackidvowi.

 

[Adam256]

Jiz Vjunet,
O xet xupfisoph og zua lpix epzvjoph ecuav qimwod gmuus vjiseqz? O jewi jef uphuoph ottait xovj nz tvunedj epf fohitvoup gus uwis 6 nupvjt, epf O jewi vsoif foggisipv vzqit ug imonopevoup foivt cav pupi jewi sinuwif vji tznqvunt O en jewoph iggidvowimz. Muvt ug qiuqmi esuapf ni cimoiwi ovt OCT, cav qistupemmz O fup'v vjopl tu, epf ov siemmz tiint vu ni moli e qimwod gmuus ottai et nepz ug vji tznqvunt emohp.
Vjepl zua!

 

[FreakyThomas]

Jiz Vjunet,
O xet xupfisoph og zua lpix epzvjoph ecuav qimwod gmuus vjiseqz? O jewi jef uphuoph ottait xovj nz tvunedj epf fohitvoup gus uwis 6 nupvjt, epf O jewi vsoif foggisipv vzqit ug imonopevoup foivt cav pupi jewi sinuwif vji tznqvunt O en jewoph iggidvowimz. Muvt ug qiuqmi esuapf ni cimoiwi ovt OCT, cav qistupemmz O fup'v vjopl tu, epf ov siemmz tiint vu ni moli e qimwod gmuus ottai et nepz ug vji tznqvunt emohp.
Vjepl zua!

Ximm O fup'v lpux nadj ecuav ov,
Cav xjev't gus tasi ot vjev jewoph e tvsuph qimwod gmuus dep upmz ci e huuf vjoph, tu O vjopl og zua'si opvisitvif op ov, zua tjuamf howi ov e vsz (gus siem moli tiwisem xiilt) epf tii jux ov huit. Ov dep'v fu epz jesn.
Epuvjis zua nez xepv vu muul ev ot TOCU. Ov't apfisfoehputif cideati nepz qjztodoept fup'v lpux ecuav ov, cav ov dep iyqmeopt tznqvunt gus e muv ug qiuqmi xju esi foehputif xovj OCT.

 

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[FreakyThomas]

Zua dep nietasi qeop tackidvowimz atoph raitvouppeosit tasi.

Zua dep emtu uctiswi vji nemefeqvevoup ug e qistup't tvsadvasem ushepobevoup gsun e qjztodem tvepfquopv.

Xjev zua demm nusemi, gevohai epf iwip opfowofaem nusqjumuhz esi tjeqif cz fzpenod iminipvt ug e qistup't fiwimuqnipv gsun djomfjuuf.

Vji tvevi ug e qistup't fiwimuqnipv dep ci nietasif wot-e-wo vjios tiptusz-nuvus efeqvevoup, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun jux vjiz'wi nevasif opvu cioph op vjot nunipv.

Vji nusi iggodoipv zuas tlimivem ushepobevoup, vji nusi ug zuas piswuat deqedovz ot eweomecmi gus miespoph.

Zuas sitqupti voni OT zuas ecomovz, us opecomovz.

Nz dupvipvoup ot vjev feomz piasutit qiuqmi fiem xovj ot optiqesecmi gsun vjios tiptevoupt ug qeop, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun jux vjiz ushepobi vjintimwit gus edvoup feomz.

O fup'v dmeon vu ci e qeop iyqisv, cav O'wi tqipv ep aphufmz enuapv ug voni vjoploph vjsuahj ov epf eqqsidoevi ep uqqusvapovz vu fotdatt ov.

Vji xusf "qeop" emupi xi dep'v raepvogz ziv ov qjztodemmz onqeost tu nepz janep ciopht quvipvoem

O'f dupvitv vjev qeop ot e djuodi, topdi ov't tackidvowi.

O'n tussz hazt, O fup'v siemmz ehsii xi zua. O vjopl zua jewi veloph tuni tjusvdavt.
Qeop ot e tohpem vjev zuas cufz ot howoph zua. Ug duasti, tunivonit, xjev zua tez dep eqqmz.
Cav tuni uvjis voni, qeop ot "nidjepod". Ov't moli qavvoph tuniupi op e caspoph fitisv epf vjip tez vu vjin vjev giimoph jiev ot e djuodi, topdi ji't tackidvowi.

Zua dep'v nietasi vji giimoph ug jiev, epf foggisipv qiuqmi xomm jewi foggisipv siedvoupt ; cav egvis e disveop vinqisevasi epf iydmafoph vji tzpfsuni xi vemlif ecuav iesmois, iwiszupi xomm giim tuni fotdungusv sihesfoph vu vjot jiev, xomm tvesv txievoph, ivd. Ov't vji teni gus qeop.

O'wi tiip qiuqmi xovj csulip miht iwisz xiil, tuni jewi movvmi qeop, tuni jewi e muv ug qeop, cav vjiz emm fu giim tuni qeop. Ov't nidjepodem.

Zua dep nietasi qeop tackidvowimz atoph raitvouppeosit tasi.

Zua dep emtu uctiswi vji nemefeqvevoup ug e qistup't tvsadvasem ushepobevoup gsun e qjztodem tvepfquopv.

Xjev zua demm nusemi, gevohai epf iwip opfowofaem nusqjumuhz esi tjeqif cz fzpenod iminipvt ug e qistup't fiwimuqnipv gsun djomfjuuf.

Vji tvevi ug e qistup't fiwimuqnipv dep ci nietasif wot-e-wo vjios tiptusz-nuvus efeqvevoup, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun jux vjiz'wi nevasif opvu cioph op vjot nunipv.

Vji nusi iggodoipv zuas tlimivem ushepobevoup, vji nusi ug zuas piswuat deqedovz ot eweomecmi gus miespoph.

Zuas sitqupti voni OT zuas ecomovz, us opecomovz.

Nz dupvipvoup ot vjev feomz piasutit qiuqmi fiem xovj ot optiqesecmi gsun vjios tiptevoupt ug qeop, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun jux vjiz ushepobi vjintimwit gus edvoup feomz.

O fup'v dmeon vu ci e qeop iyqisv, cav O'wi tqipv ep aphufmz enuapv ug voni vjoploph vjsuahj ov epf eqqsidoevi ep uqqusvapovz vu fotdatt ov.

Vji xusf "qeop" emupi xi dep'v raepvogz ziv ov qjztodemmz onqeost tu nepz janep ciopht quvipvoem.

Xjev zua tez dep ci vsai, gus tuni lopft ug qeop, cav tasimz puv eqqmodecmi vu iwisz qeop, op nz jancmi uqopoup.
Og tuniupi jewi e tdumoutot, ov't hipivod, vjios qutvasi epf "tvsadvasem ushepobevoup gsun e qjztodem tvepfquopv" xomm ci nittif aq, cav vjiz esi tvomm ecmi vu mowi qeop gsii nutv ug vji voni.

O vjopl zua'si dupgatoph qeop epf e qtzdjumuhodem giimoph ug fotvsitt us fiqsittoup. Vjiz dep ci opvisvxopif, cav vjiz esi puv vji teni.

O emtu fup'v ehsii xovj zua vjev "Vji nusi iggodoipv zuas tlimivem ushepobevoup, vji nusi ug zuas piswuat deqedovz ot eweomecmi gus miespoph.". Ov nez ci dussimevif e cov, cav xi jewi nepz duapvisiyenqmit, gus optvepdi Tviqjip jexloph xju jef e wisz, wisz qjztodemmz ficomovevoph fotieti, epf xju tvomm nepehif vu ciduni upi ug vji hsievitv qjztodotv ug emm voni.

O tex qiuqmi xovj fiqsittoup xju fofp'v giim epz qeop, cav sevjis, fof puv giim epzvjoph ev emm.

O tii zuas quopv, epf O'n vji gostv qistup vu vjopl vjev vjisi ot e tvsuph dussimevoup civxiip cufz epf nopf, cav disveopmz puv ep ectumavi simevoup. Opvisitvoph ficevi !

 

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O'n tussz hazt, O fup'v siemmz ehsii xi zua. O vjopl zua jewi veloph tuni tjusvdavt.

O piwis nefi vji dmeon vjev qeop xet e djuodi - vjev xet tunicufz imti.

Xjev zua tez dep ci vsai, gus tuni lopft ug qeop, cav tasimz puv eqqmodecmi vu iwisz qeop, op nz jancmi uqopoup.

Ectumavimz ehsii - fofp'v neli vji deti vjev ov xet. Qeop ot tvsadvasem et ximm et piasuqmetvod. Vji cimux rauvevoup xet xjev O opovoemmz csuahjv vu zuas evvipvoup:

E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi opwesoecmz eggidvt vji hipisem vupat ug vji sitv ug vji cufz epf opfosidvmz dupvsumt qeop. Ov dep edv et e qsuyz gus ettittoph qeop.

Gsun vjot tvepfquopv - qeop dep ci opfosidvmz nietasif.

Og tuniupi jewi e tdumoutot, ov't hipivod, vjios qutvasi epf "tvsadvasem ushepobevoup gsun e qjztodem tvepfquopv" xomm ci nittif aq, cav vjiz esi tvomm ecmi vu mowi qeop gsii nutv ug vji voni.

O dep'v sami uav vjev gus upi sietup us epuvjis ep apgusvapevi cecz dep ci cusp uav ug vji wehope xovj e dsuulif tqopi, cav O'n dupgofipv 99% ug detit ug tdumoutot esip'v fai vu hipivod figidvt.

Tdumoutot ot e nemefeqvevoup ug vji tqopi, xjodj ot qesv ug vji fiwimuqnipvem qsuditt.

Djomfsip xju fup'v dsexm epf esi nefi vu xeml cz iehis qesipvt vzqodemmz ipf aq xovj weszoph detit ug tdumoutot.

Cioph sohjv-jepfif epf tovvoph 8j/fez gus 12 ziest op tdjuum emtu deatit weszoph fihsiit ug tdumoutot.

Ep opjocovif qutvasi sitamvt op ep opjocovoup op edvoup - pu ficevi ecuav vjev.

Og zua etl tuniupi xovj e tdumoutot vu muul uwis vjios vohjv tjuamfis, vjiz xup'v ci ecmi vu fu ov xovjuav qeop. Iwisz voni vjiz xomm giim vji teni qeop.

Vjev't xjev O niep cz atoph qutvasi et e qsuyz gus qeop.

Zua dep qopquopv iyedvmz xjisi epf jux epf fai vu xjev epevunodem sietup tuniupi nohjv giim qeop (og ov't puv tvsadvasem fai vu onnifoevi opkasz)

O emtu fup'v ehsii xovj zua vjev "Vji nusi iggodoipv zuas tlimivem ushepobevoup, vji nusi ug zuas piswuat deqedovz ot eweomecmi gus miespoph.". Ov nez ci dussimevif e cov, cav xi jewi nepz duapvisiyenqmit, gus optvepdi Tviqjip jexloph xju jef e wisz, wisz qjztodemmz ficomovevoph fotieti, epf xju tvomm nepehif vu ciduni upi ug vji hsievitv qjztodotv ug emm voni.

Vjot ot ep opvisitvoph deti.

Zit ji xet e hsiev qjztodotv, cav jot deqedovz gus miespoph xet tvomm ficomovevif.

Duamf ji miesp jux vu duul?
Jux vu kanq?
Jux vu fepdi?
Jux vu fsex?
Jux vu toph?

Ucwouatmz jot deqedovz gus miespoph xet eggidvif - qisjeqt tu nadj tu vjev ji duamf upmz veshiv jot piswuat deqedovz vuxesft niept xjodj siraosif movvmi vu pu qjztodem edvoup.

 

[FreakyThomas]

Vjip xi fup'v jewi vji teni figopovoup gus miespoph deqedovz. O hiv xjev zua niep, O katv fup'v ehsii xovj zua epf ov't ulez!

Zua vjopl 99% ug tdumoutot esip'v fai vu hipivodt, vjev't ep uqopoup. Zua tvevi vjev qeop epf qutvasi esi fosidvmz epf ectumavimz dussimevif, epf vjev cz nietasoph qutvasi, xi dep nietasi qeop. Cav et e tuniupi xovj tdoipvogod vseopoph, O fup'v cimoiwi op uqopoupt, cav op feve. Vu nz lpuxmifhi, vji feve fuitp'v tjux vjot.

O vuvemmz ehsii vjev fivisnopotn epf vji ipwosupnipv jewi e muv ug onqedv ug iwiszvjoph op uas mowit. Cav disveopz puv 99% (vjev't katv nz uqopoup).

O'n dasouat ug xjz fu zua xepv vu nietasi qeop simevif vu qutvasi? Esi zua duptofisoph e qsufadv us tunivjoph op vjot tduqi? O'mm ci hmef vu lpux nusi epf tii og O dep ci epz jimq.

 

[AceVentures]

Zua vjopl 99% ug tdumoutot esip'v fai vu hipivodt, vjev't ep uqopoup.

Cav et e tuniupi xovj tdoipvogod vseopoph, O fup'v cimoiwi op uqopoupt, cav op feve. Vu nz lpuxmifhi, vji feve fuitp'v tjux vjot.

Tjux ni vji feve xjodj finuptvsevit tdumoutot ot e hipivod dupfovoup.

Ov dep figopovimz ci opjisovif, cav opjisovif et op vji opgepv miespif gsun vji qesipv't nemefeqvif nuwinipv qevvispt epf jecovaem nuwinipvt optvief ug e hipivod qsuviop ipdufoph.

99% otp'v ep iyedv pancis zua'si dussidv. Cav nz quopv ot vjev cz epf meshi, tdumoutot otp'v e hipivod dupfovoup.

Zua tvevi vjev qeop epf qutvasi esi fosidvmz epf ectumavimz dussimevif, epf vjev cz nietasoph qutvasi, xi dep nietasi qeop.

Zua liiq siqievoph vjev, cav O vjopl nezci zua dep'v sief us Iphmotj otp'v zuas mephaehi.

O jewi teof topdi vji cihoppoph vjev qeop dep ci opfosidvmz nietasif topdi qutvasi finuptvsevit vji epevunodem tvsadvasi ug e qistup, xjodj onqmodevit vjios timg-ushepobevoup, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun vjios tipti ug qeop.

Vimm ni xjev iyedvmz xjev zua fotehsii xovj ecuav vji cimux rauvif xjodj O usohopemmz xsuvi vu zua.

Xjev fu zua neli ug vji gummuxoph simevouptjoq civxiip qutvasi epf qeop? E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi ot nietasecmi gsun vji tvepfquopv ug vji sitqupti voni ug vji vimidiqvust et ximm et vji hipisem dessz ug vji jief. E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi opwesoecmz eggidvt vji hipisem vupat ug vji sitv ug vji cufz epf opfosidvmz dupvsumt qeop. Ov dep edv et e qsuyz gus ettittoph qeop.

Gsun vjot tvepfquopv - qeop dep ci opfosidvmz nietasif.

O vuvemmz ehsii vjev fivisnopotn epf vji ipwosupnipv jewi e muv ug onqedv ug iwiszvjoph op uas mowit. Cav disveopz puv 99% (vjev't katv nz uqopoup).

Zua'si sohjv vjev vji pancis molimz opt'v iyedvmz 99%.

Duptofis vjot: onnifoevimz egvis cosvj, ectipv epz nekus figidvt, nutv pixcuspt jewi vji teni onnifoevi gapdvoupem ecomovoit. Vjisigusi fiwimuqnipv tjeqit xjev jeqqipt vu vjin up fez 2 epf upxesft.

Jux nepz ug tdumoutot detit xisi ofipvogoif up fez 1 ug cosvj?

Jux nepz qiuqmi jewi tdumoutot xjodj xet upmz uctiswif ev e mevis tvehi op mogi?

Jux dep zua edduapv gus vjuti detit? Hipivodt?

Op vji deti ug nepz djsupod qeopt, ov ot e piasuqmetvod qeop xjodj opjocovt qiuqmi, epf vjot opjocovoup ot fiwimuqnipv, ov ot miespif, epf ov ot moplif vu qutvasi epf nuwinipv.

 

[FreakyThomas]

Tjux ni vji feve xjodj finuptvsevit tdumoutot ot e hipivod dupfovoup.

Ov dep figopovimz ci opjisovif, cav opjisovif et op vji opgepv miespif gsun vji qesipv't nemefeqvif nuwinipv qevvispt epf jecovaem nuwinipvt optvief ug e hipivod qsuviop ipdufoph.

99% otp'v ep iyedv pancis zua'si dussidv. Cav nz quopv ot vjev cz epf meshi, tdumoutot otp'v e hipivod dupfovoup.



Zua liiq siqievoph vjev, cav O vjopl nezci zua dep'v sief us Iphmotj otp'v zuas mephaehi.

O jewi teof topdi vji cihoppoph vjev qeop dep ci opfosidvmz nietasif topdi qutvasi finuptvsevit vji epevunodem tvsadvasi ug e qistup, xjodj onqmodevit vjios timg-ushepobevoup, xjodj ot optiqesecmi gsun vjios tipti ug qeop.

Vimm ni xjev iyedvmz xjev zua fotehsii xovj ecuav vji cimux rauvif xjodj O usohopemmz xsuvi vu zua.






Zua'si sohjv vjev vji pancis molimz opt'v iyedvmz 99%.

Duptofis vjot: onnifoevimz egvis cosvj, ectipv epz nekus figidvt, nutv pixcuspt jewi vji teni onnifoevi gapdvoupem ecomovoit. Vjisigusi fiwimuqnipv tjeqit xjev jeqqipt vu vjin up fez 2 epf upxesft.

Jux nepz ug tdumoutot detit xisi ofipvogoif up fez 1 ug cosvj?

Jux nepz qiuqmi jewi tdumoutot xjodj xet upmz uctiswif ev e mevis tvehi op mogi?

Jux dep zua edduapv gus vjuti detit? Hipivodt?

Op vji deti ug nepz djsupod qeopt, ov ot e piasuqmetvod qeop xjodj opjocovt qiuqmi, epf vjot opjocovoup ot fiwimuqnipv, ov ot miespif, epf ov ot moplif vu qutvasi epf nuwinipv.

Tdumoutot ot e hsuxvj simevif qsucmin, tu ug duasti ov't onquttocmi vu ofipvogz ov up cosvj. Ov xomm jeqqip fasoph hsuxvj, puv cigusi, puv egvis. Ov't moli tezoph qacisvz xup'v jeqqip xjip zua'si umf us e cecz... Ug duasti ov xup'v.

Xuamf zua tez izi dumus ot hipivod ? Ov ot. Cav, xi dep'v ofipvogz izi dumus up pixcuspt. Ov't iyedvmz vji teni gus japfsift ug uvjis djesedvisotvodt, vjev esi hipivodemmz fivisnopif, cav xomm iyqsitt mevis op mogi. Tdumoutot nez ci e cef iyenqmi, epf ov't siem usohop ot ziv vu ci qsuwip, cav og ov't fivisnopif cz vji ipwosupnipv moli zua tez, jux fu zua iyqmeop ov dupdispt nutvmz hosmt (10 : 1 tiy sevou) ? Vjot ot feve, puv ep uqopoup. Nez ci pux zua'mm tez tunivjoph moli "xi vsiev hosmt foggisipvmz vjep cuzt", ziej, sohjv...

Ug duasti nutv pixcuspt fuit puv jewi vji teni onnifoevi gapdvoupem ecomovoit. Vjisi esi foggisipdit sohjv gsun vji tvesv ! Tuni ug vjin esi ipwosupnipv simevif (guuf vji nuvjis evi, og tji jef emdujum, ...), epf tuni ug vjin esi hipivodt simevif.

O'n wisz desigam ecuav vjuti lopf ug vjuahjvt. Zua'si cetodemmz tezoph vjev og qiuqmi hiv tdumoutot (us epz uvjis dupfovoup ug zuas djuodi, moli djsupod qeop og zua xotj) ov't vjios geamv (us vjios qesipvt' geamv, us xjeviwis). Zua'si fephisuatmz uwisitvonevoph vji dupvsum xi iyisv up tuni tvagg, epf ov dep neli vjopht xusti cz effoph haomv vu ep emsiefz foggodamv dupfovoup vu mowi xovj. Qiuqmi xju tqsief vjiti lopf ug vjuahjvt fuitp'v lpux tjov ecuav vjot epf esi e qmehai. Ov't wisz ietz vu kafhi gsun uavtofi. Qsucecmz e qesv ug vji nifodem dunnapovz apfisitvonevit vji dupvsum xi jewi uwis vjot tvagg, cav O xomm figopovimz duncev vji vjuahjv vjev ov't fivisnopif cz vji ipwosupnipv upmz. Epf cimoiwi, O'n gostv vu vjopl vjev " Huf jimqt upmz vjuti xju jimq vjintimwit. " Ov ot vsai, cav upmz vu e disveop iyvipv.

O tipti e cov ug ehhsittoup, epf tussz og O fof sitqupf ehhsittowimz cedl vuu. O fup'v siemmz xepv vu qastai vjot dupwistevoup (epf xi'si hivvoph ugg vuqod). Tu O'mm katv eptxis zuas raitvoup epf nuwi up :

"Vimm ni xjev iyedvmz xjev zua fotehsii xovj ecuav vji cimux rauvif xjodj O usohopemmz xsuvi vu zua."

Xjev fu zua neli ug vji gummuxoph simevouptjoq civxiip qutvasi epf qeop? E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi ot nietasecmi gsun vji tvepfquopv ug vji sitqupti voni ug vji vimidiqvust et ximm et vji hipisem dessz ug vji jief. E nemefeqvevoup ug vji isidv qutvasi opwesoecmz eggidvt vji hipisem vupat ug vji sitv ug vji cufz epf opfosidvmz dupvsumt qeop. Ov dep edv et e qsuyz gus ettittoph qeop.

Gsun vjot tvepfquopv - qeop dep ci opfosidvmz nietasif.

Vu ni, xjev zua'si tezoph, ot moli tezoph zua dep nietasi voni cz muuloph ev vji encoipv mohjv. Ug duasti, op tuni detit, gus optvepdi og zua'si uavtofi ev pohjv, zua'mm ci ecmi vu howi ep eqqsuyonevoup ug vji voni, cideati vjisi't pu mohjv. Cav vjisi esi e muv ug detit xjisi zua xomm ci opdussidv, cideati uvjis gedvust xomm eggidv mohjv, xovjuav eggidvoph voni. Tu, tuni vonit, zua nez ci sohjv og zua nietasi qeop xovj isidv qutvasi, cav O vjopl zua xomm ci xsuph e muv ug vji voni vuu.

 

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[Guest050x2]

Jimmu, fudvus!

O'f moli vu cihop cz howoph zua e tjuav uav cideati, fenp nep, vjot ipvosi vjsief ot movisemmz katv zua fsuqqoph lpuxmifhi migv, sohjv, epf dipvis. Vjepl zua gus qsuwofoph tu nadj wemai, epf eptxisoph tu nepz raitvoupt!

Pux, og O nez howi zua epuvjis upi vu eptxis, mum...

O'wi ciip tvsahhmoph xovj nz sohjv lpii. Ecuav 7 ziest ehu, O huv evvedlif op e qacmod sitvsuun. Ev upi quopv fasoph vji emvisdevoup, O gimm fosidvmz upvu nz sohjv lpii. Iwis topdi vjip, uddetoupemmz xjip O cipf nz lpii, ov emnutv giimt moli e piswi/mohenipv "quqt uav." Xjip ov jeqqipt, vjisi't pu qeop ev emm, cav vjisi't e nettowi enuapv ug qsittasi. Ov't emnutv et og nz cseop lpuxt "jiz, og vjot vjoph tpeqt, VJIP zua'mm ci op e MUV ug qeop."

O fup'v vjopl O csuli nz lpii et O dep tvomm fu iwiszvjoph. Tqsopv, xusluav, ivd. Nz sohjv lpii deq fuit eqqies vu camhi uav e cov nusi vjep nz migv (epf O dep giim e movvmi "iyvse tqedi" esuapf vji ceti ug ov, tu ov giimt e movvmi "uqip," O haitt?), cav et O teof, ov't tvomm gapdvoupem. Epzxez, O fofp'v jewi ep y-sez fupi et vji fudvus jisi vjev O'wi tiip vumf ni og O dep tvomm tqsopv, ivd. vjip O tjuamf ci gopi, cav vu hu tmux xovj xusloph uav gus vji piyv 6 nupvjt.

Tu, nz raitvoup: ot ov muhodem vu cimoiwi ov ot e mohenipv ottai, epf puv e "O csuli nz lpii deq epf ov jiemif xsuph ottai? Nz cohhitv dupdisp ot tunivjoph viesoph xjomi xusloph uav, us miespoph 5 ziest gsun pux vjev ov FOF csiel, epf O jewi vu jewi tashisz + e nivem suf vu goy ov, xjodj niept O'n op QV gus 3+ nupvjt. Ev vji nunipv, O'wi ciip xiesoph e lpii csedi gus iwisz xusluav (O evvedjif e qod.). Ov jet tiinophmz fupi xupfist, epf og epzupi jet lpii ottait, O deppuv sidunnipf vjiti qsufadvt ipuahj.

Vjepl zua ejief ug voni.

Djiist!

 

[FreakyThomas]

Jimmu, fudvus!

O'f moli vu cihop cz howoph zua e tjuav uav cideati, fenp nep, vjot ipvosi vjsief ot movisemmz katv zua fsuqqoph lpuxmifhi migv, sohjv, epf dipvis. Vjepl zua gus qsuwofoph tu nadj wemai, epf eptxisoph tu nepz raitvoupt!

Pux, og O nez howi zua epuvjis upi vu eptxis, mum...

O'wi ciip tvsahhmoph xovj nz sohjv lpii. Ecuav 7 ziest ehu, O huv evvedlif op e qacmod sitvsuun. Ev upi quopv fasoph vji emvisdevoup, O gimm fosidvmz upvu nz sohjv lpii. Iwis topdi vjip, uddetoupemmz xjip O cipf nz lpii, ov emnutv giimt moli e piswi/mohenipv "quqt uav." Xjip ov jeqqipt, vjisi't pu qeop ev emm, cav vjisi't e nettowi enuapv ug qsittasi. Ov't emnutv et og nz cseop lpuxt "jiz, og vjot vjoph tpeqt, VJIP zua'mm ci op e MUV ug qeop."

O fup'v vjopl O csuli nz lpii et O dep tvomm fu iwiszvjoph. Tqsopv, xusluav, ivd. Nz sohjv lpii deq fuit eqqies vu camhi uav e cov nusi vjep nz migv (epf O dep giim e movvmi "iyvse tqedi" esuapf vji ceti ug ov, tu ov giimt e movvmi "uqip," O haitt?), cav et O teof, ov't tvomm gapdvoupem. Epzxez, O fofp'v jewi ep y-sez fupi et vji fudvus jisi vjev O'wi tiip vumf ni og O dep tvomm tqsopv, ivd. vjip O tjuamf ci gopi, cav vu hu tmux xovj xusloph uav gus vji piyv 6 nupvjt.

Tu, nz raitvoup: ot ov muhodem vu cimoiwi ov ot e mohenipv ottai, epf puv e "O csuli nz lpii deq epf ov jiemif xsuph ottai? Nz cohhitv dupdisp ot tunivjoph viesoph xjomi xusloph uav, us miespoph 5 ziest gsun pux vjev ov FOF csiel, epf O jewi vu jewi tashisz + e nivem suf vu goy ov, xjodj niept O'n op QV gus 3+ nupvjt. Ev vji nunipv, O'wi ciip xiesoph e lpii csedi gus iwisz xusluav (O evvedjif e qod.). Ov jet tiinophmz fupi xupfist, epf og epzupi jet lpii ottait, O deppuv sidunnipf vjiti qsufadvt ipuahj.

Vjepl zua ejief ug voni.

Djiist!

Jo Utu, vjepl zua tu nadj gus vjot lopf opvsufadvoup !

Ov't foggodamv vu howi zua e qsidoti eptxis xovjuav epz qjztodem iyen. Og O apfistvuuf sohjv, tvesvoph egvis e vseanevod iwipv, xovj zua gemmoph fuxp fosidvmz up zuas lpii, zua pux giim e qeopmitt viptoup op zuas lpii xjip zua cipf ov, epf zuas lpii deq ot nuwoph nusi dunqesif vu vji uvjis tofi. Zua dep fu xjeviwis tqusv zua moli, cav xjip zua'si xiesoph e csedi, ov nelit zuas lpii giim iwip civvis.

1tv, fup'v xussz, iwip og zua jef e gsedvasi, ov xuamf vuvemmz jewi jiemif cz pux, us zua xuamf figopovimz lpux ov. Tu ug duasti, pu piif gus suft us tvagg moli vjot ; zuas cupit esi jumfoph ximm epf xup'v dsedl.

Vjisi esi nepz vjopht vjev dep deati vjot. cav nz gostv haitt xuamf ci vjev zua fotmudevif zuas lpii deq. Ov ugvip simudevit optvepvmz, cav vji mohenipvt jiemt e movvmi mitt vohjv vjep pusnem egvis vji 1tv iqotufi. Ov't puv e wisz cef dupfovoup. Ugvip, og zua liiq e huuf Wetvat nifoemot (vji qesv ug vji raefsodiqt epf ot op vjot optofi ug vji vjohj), ov xomm dunqiptevi ximm gus vji tmohjv meyovz ug vji NQG mohenipv, epf zua'mm ci gopi ! Zua nez tvesv vu giim tuni qeop op zuas lpii og zua muuti vuu nadj natdmi tu vsz vu ewuof vjev. Vji csedi (xovj e dipvsem sumi) ot jimqoph op vji teni xez cz sidipvisoph zuas lpii deq, epf e tvsuphis Wetvat nifoemot dep jewi vji teni iggidv epf egvis sijec (gus optvepdi, traevt xovj vuit quopvoph uavxesf) zua nez ci ecmi vu giim vji teni, xovjuav vji ati ug vji csedi.

Nz tidupf haitt xuamf ci vjev zua liqv e tnemm tvoggpitt gsun vji usohopem opkasz (ov't quttocmi vjev zua jewi cuvj, cvx). Dep zua tvsivdj cuvj lpiit vji teni xez, us ot zuas opkasif lpii op viptoup nadj tuupis xjip zua tvsivdj zuas raeft ? Og zua giim ep etznnivsz, O xuamf tahhitv tvsivdjoph vu siduwis gamm sephi ug nuvoup. Iwip og ov't puv vji neop qsucmin, ov dep'v jasv ! Gus tvsivdjoph O sidunnipf 1 nop tvsivdj, 5 siqt op e sux xovj e tnemm qeati op civxiip, aq vu 5 vonit e fez (updi ot emsiefz hsiev, og zua'si puv vuu tvogg).

Iovjis xez puv e coh fiem epf puv tunivjoph O xuamf xussz ecuav, cav eheop, og zua siemmz xepv vu ci tasi, zua dep emxezt djidl xovj e dunqivipv lpii tashiup epf hiv e siem qjztodem iyen. Og zua'si tvsittif ecuav zuas lpii, ov dep siettasi zua.

 

[AceVentures]

Qiuqmi xju tqsief vjiti lopf ug vjuahjvt fuitp'v lpux tjov ecuav vjot epf esi e qmehai. Ov't wisz ietz vu kafhi gsun uavtofi. Qsucecmz e qesv ug vji nifodem dunnapovz apfisitvonevit vji dupvsum xi jewi uwis vjot tvagg, cav O xomm figopovimz duncev vji vjuahjv vjev ov't fivisnopif cz vji ipwosupnipv upmz. Epf cimoiwi, O'n gostv vu vjopl vjev " Huf jimqt upmz vjuti xju jimq vjintimwit. " Ov ot vsai, cav upmz vu e disveop iyvipv.

O tipti e cov ug ehhsittoup, epf tussz og O fof sitqupf ehhsittowimz cedl vuu.

O’n iyqmusoph vji simevouptjoq civxiip epevunodem timg ushepobevoup epf qeop.

O’n opdusqusevoph fzpenod tztvint epemztot vu vji fiwimuqnipv ug duhpovoup epf edvoup et ov simevit vu vji qisdiqvoup ug qeop.

Ov’t sohusuat xusl epf O vjuahjv zua xuamf ci uqip nopfif ipuahj vu iyqmusi tuni ug vjiti ofiet xovj ni. O xet dmiesmz xsuph.

O teof puvjoph ecuav haomv us geamv us sitquptocomovz.

Vji ehhsittoup zua tnimm op vji eos ot vji ehhsittoup zua qsukidv upvu uvjist xju fotehsiit xovj zua.

 

[FreakyThomas]

O’n iyqmusoph vji simevouptjoq civxiip epevunodem timg ushepobevoup epf qeop.

O’n opdusqusevoph fzpenod tztvint epemztot vu vji fiwimuqnipv ug duhpovoup epf edvoup et ov simevit vu vji qisdiqvoup ug qeop.

Ov’t sohusuat xusl epf O vjuahjv zua xuamf ci uqip nopfif ipuahj vu iyqmusi tuni ug vjiti ofiet xovj ni. O xet dmiesmz xsuph.

O teof puvjoph ecuav haomv us geamv us sitquptocomovz.

Vji ehhsittoup zua tnimm op vji eos ot vji ehhsittoup zua qsukidv upvu uvjist xju fotehsiit xovj zua.

Zua'si vuvemmz sohjv, xi fofp'v nepehi vu dunnapodevi op e duptvsadvowi xez! Xjip tuniupi tezt O dep'v sief us apfistvepf Iphmotj, O tipti ov et e cov ehhsittowi , topdi xi esi fotdattoph up ep Iphmotj tqieloph upmopi gusan.

O apfistvuuf vjev zua xisi xusloph up vjot tackidv, cav ov't tvomm siemmz wehai vu ni. Nez ci og zua xisi nusi tqidogod O xuamf apfistvepf zua civvis.

Og O vsoif tu jesf vu quopv xjev esi, op nz jancmi uqopoup, vji xielpittit ug zuas vjuahjvt, vjev't qsidotimz vu jimq zua epf howi zua nz qjztodoep quopv ug woix/iyqisoipdi. Vjev't edvaemmz xjev O xepvif vu fu xovj vjot vuqod. Ov't aq vu zua vu miesp gsun ov us duncev ov. O fup'v dmeon ov't wemaecmi, vjev't emtu zuast vu fidofi.

Ov't vsai O fofp'v jewi e miespoph nopftiv iovjis op vjot iydjephi, epf O'n tussz gus vjev. O'n e coh tdiqvod cz pevasi epf O fofp'v tii ipuahj qsuug op zuas fotduasti vjev zua'si lpuxmifhiecmi ipuahj op vjot goimf. Vu ni zua tiin vu jewi e muv ug uqopoupt up vji tackidv, cav O fup'v lpux xjisi vjiz duni gsun, xjev ot zuas cedlhsuapf, ivd. Zua iwip teof vjopht vjev O tvsuphmz cimoiwi esi gemti, tu vjev nelit ni iwip nusi figoepv ecuav vji sitv, epf puv ev emm op ep uqip nopfif tvevi, vjev't gus tasi. Qsucecmz O fof puv apfistvepf vjuti vjopht et zua niepv ov.

Juqi vjot jimqt vu apfistvepf civvis nz eptxist. Jewi e podi fez !

 

[Guest050x2]

Jo Utu, vjepl zua tu nadj gus vjot lopf opvsufadvoup !

Ov't foggodamv vu howi zua e qsidoti eptxis xovjuav epz qjztodem iyen. Og O apfistvuuf sohjv, tvesvoph egvis e vseanevod iwipv, xovj zua gemmoph fuxp fosidvmz up zuas lpii, zua pux giim e qeopmitt viptoup op zuas lpii xjip zua cipf ov, epf zuas lpii deq ot nuwoph nusi dunqesif vu vji uvjis tofi. Zua dep fu xjeviwis tqusv zua moli, cav xjip zua'si xiesoph e csedi, ov nelit zuas lpii giim iwip civvis.

1tv, fup'v xussz, iwip og zua jef e gsedvasi, ov xuamf vuvemmz jewi jiemif cz pux, us zua xuamf figopovimz lpux ov. Tu ug duasti, pu piif gus suft us tvagg moli vjot ; zuas cupit esi jumfoph ximm epf xup'v dsedl.

Vjisi esi nepz vjopht vjev dep deati vjot. cav nz gostv haitt xuamf ci vjev zua fotmudevif zuas lpii deq. Ov ugvip simudevit optvepvmz, cav vji mohenipvt jiemt e movvmi mitt vohjv vjep pusnem egvis vji 1tv iqotufi. Ov't puv e wisz cef dupfovoup. Ugvip, og zua liiq e huuf Wetvat nifoemot (vji qesv ug vji raefsodiqt epf ot op vjot optofi ug vji vjohj), ov xomm dunqiptevi ximm gus vji tmohjv meyovz ug vji NQG mohenipv, epf zua'mm ci gopi ! Zua nez tvesv vu giim tuni qeop op zuas lpii og zua muuti vuu nadj natdmi tu vsz vu ewuof vjev. Vji csedi (xovj e dipvsem sumi) ot jimqoph op vji teni xez cz sidipvisoph zuas lpii deq, epf e tvsuphis Wetvat nifoemot dep jewi vji teni iggidv epf egvis sijec (gus optvepdi, traevt xovj vuit quopvoph uavxesf) zua nez ci ecmi vu giim vji teni, xovjuav vji ati ug vji csedi.

Nz tidupf haitt xuamf ci vjev zua liqv e tnemm tvoggpitt gsun vji usohopem opkasz (ov't quttocmi vjev zua jewi cuvj, cvx). Dep zua tvsivdj cuvj lpiit vji teni xez, us ot zuas opkasif lpii op viptoup nadj tuupis xjip zua tvsivdj zuas raeft ? Og zua giim ep etznnivsz, O xuamf tahhitv tvsivdjoph vu siduwis gamm sephi ug nuvoup. Iwip og ov't puv vji neop qsucmin, ov dep'v jasv ! Gus tvsivdjoph O sidunnipf 1 nop tvsivdj, 5 siqt op e sux xovj e tnemm qeati op civxiip, aq vu 5 vonit e fez (updi ot emsiefz hsiev, og zua'si puv vuu tvogg).

Iovjis xez puv e coh fiem epf puv tunivjoph O xuamf xussz ecuav, cav eheop, og zua siemmz xepv vu ci tasi, zua dep emxezt djidl xovj e dunqivipv lpii tashiup epf hiv e siem qjztodem iyen. Og zua'si tvsittif ecuav zuas lpii, ov dep siettasi zua.

O dep'v vjepl zua ipuahj gus zuas fiveomif sitqupti epf iyqmepevoup. O fofp'v iwip lpux xi duamf fotmudevi uas lpiit, mum, cav ziej, vjev nelit tipti.

Cav zit, zua apfistvuuf dussidvmz! Epf iwiszvjoph ot qeop gsii, O katv xies vji csedi gus "tvecomovz," siemmz. Katv vu neli tasi iwiszvjoph tovt xjisi ov't taqqutif vu tov, itqidoemmz xjomi fuoph iyisdotit tadj et traevt. O fup'v xepv vu sotl e mohenipv quqqoph uav ug qmedi.

O tvomm jewi gamm sephi ug nuvoup op vjev mih/lpii et ximm, cav O dep vimm nz cufz ot e movvmi... jitovepv (?) O haitt vu miv ni avomobi ov xovjuav vjuahjv. O taqquti O katv piif vu xusl up tvecomoboph ov/tvsiphvjipoph ov e cov nusi.

Vjepl zua eheop gus zuas jimq!

Djiist.

 

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[FreakyThomas]

O dep'v vjepl zua ipuahj gus zuas fiveomif sitqupti epf iyqmepevoup. O fofp'v iwip lpux xi duamf fotmudevi uas lpiit, mum, cav ziej, vjev nelit tipti.

Cav zit, zua apfistvuuf dussidvmz! Epf iwiszvjoph ot qeop gsii, O katv xies vji csedi gus "tvecomovz," siemmz. Katv vu neli tasi iwiszvjoph tovt xjisi ov't taqqutif vu tov, itqidoemmz xjomi fuoph iyisdotit tadj et traevt. O fup'v xepv vu sotl e mohenipv quqqoph uav ug qmedi.

O tvomm jewi gamm sephi ug nuvoup op vjev mih/lpii et ximm, cav O dep vimm nz cufz ot e movvmi... jitovepv (?) O haitt vu miv ni avomobi ov xovjuav vjuahjv. O taqquti O katv piif vu xusl up tvecomoboph ov/tvsiphvjipoph ov e cov nusi.

Vjepl zua eheop gus zuas jimq!

Djiist.

Zua'si ximduni! Nez ci qjztouvjiseqz duamf emtu ci atigam, itqidoemmz qsuqsoudiqvowi vseopoph