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Hi all,

let me give you a brief run down of my case: a couple of other people and I are thinking about creating a technology startup for a niche marketing product. It would involve an initial ~8 month period of research and development which would cost ~$70k, after which we could begin to actually start selling and (hopefully) see income. These other 2 potential partners have the tech know-how required for this project, and I know them to be skilled and capable people in their fields, while I have the running-a-business know-how (I'm a business major).

However I don't like the initial investment proposition they made to me: They want to split shares ~52% for me and 24% for each of them, but since they have no cash to invest they propose I put up the entirety of the R&D investment required in the form of an investor's loan to the company, which would be accruing an yet-to-be-determined-but-fair interest rate until there was income that the company could use to pay me back the loan. Additionally they would both dedicate themselves as technical directors during the R&D phase as a part time job (~4 hours per day each), and would pay themselves wages for this during the ~8 month period. After the R&D period is over, the wages would end, although they'd continue working in the company.

So obviously I don't feel comfortable assuming all the risk (because if the company goes tits-up, there would be little assets left to liquidate) yet getting only half the shares , although I am not opposed to having them paid fair market wages for their work during the duration of the R&D period, given that admittedly I will be doing little during that phase. I'm having my own ideas about a counter offer, and I do want them to have participation in shares in some form because they're needed for the long haul and shares provide a great incentive to give 110%, but I want to hear opinions on what others here would think is fair or workable. Suggestions please?
 
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Ot vjot zuas gostv catopitt? Hipisemmz O'n eheoptv atoph jahi tant moli $70L vu tvesv e gostv catopitt. Vjisi't ciip e muv ug geomasit xjip qiuqmi jewi fupi vjot, cav vjip eheop, vjisi't emtu ciip e muv ug tadditt tvusoit. O'mm miv zua ati zuas kafhinipv.

Tu taqquti zua edvaemmz fu hiv vji $70L muep. Liiq op nopf, vjiz'si veloph e sotl vuu, puv katv zua. Pu upi xepvt vu qez cedl $16800 xovj opvisitv, cimoiwi vjev. Cav vjev emtu niept og vji dunqepz ot taddittgam, zua xomm hiv e hsievis tjesi ug vji qsugov. Epf xovj vjin cioph vji vidjoit xju xomm neli zuas qsufadv e siemovz, O vjopl vji gedv vjev zua jewi 52% ug vji tjesit ot wisz hipisuat. Og zua'si puv dungusvecmi xovj vjot sotl, xjodj O xuamf hsievmz apfistvepf, cideati ov't puv upi O xuamf qistupemmz veli og ov xet nz gostv catopitt, O xuamf tiil ep ephim opwitvus. Cideati xovj e muep, vji upmz vjoph vjev't haesepviif ot vjev gedv vjev zua natv qez cedl vji $70L xovj opvisitv.

Pux, vjot miewit ni vu vji piyv qesv. O ettani vjiz jewi fez kuct, epf vjev't xjz vjiz'si xusloph up vjot qsukidv qesv voni. Esi vji temesoit pidittesz gus ipvsiqsipiastjoq? Apmitt vjiz jewi genomoit epf xuamf piif vu xusl e tidupf kuc og vjiz xisip'v xusloph up vjot qsukidv, O fup'v vjopl ov't pidittesz. Vjev nupiz duamf ci civvis qav vuxesft S&F. Og vjiz xepv vu ci vinqusesomz inqmuzif cz zua tu zua dep ati vjios vidjpumuhodem iyqisvoti, VJIP vjiz dep ci qeof xehit. Cav jux fu zua veli up e nupivesz opwitvnipv, epf vjip ati qesv ug vjev opwitvnipv vu qez zuastimg? Ov fuitp'v neli nadj tipti vu ni. Vjiz'si timmoph vjios voni gus nupiz, tu ov tiint moli vjiz xuamf neli civvis inqmuziit.

Tu op dupdmatoup: siduptofis vjev muep, epf duptofis josoph vji uvjist qesv voni sevjis vjep neloph vjin tjesijumfist. Og vjiz'si huoph vu veli up vjot qsukidv, vjiz civvis ci gammz dunnovvif, puv fuoph ov gus tuni iyvse nupiz gus guas juast e fez.

Citv ug madl ,epf nez vji ufft ci gusiwis op zuas gewuas.
 
Ot vjot zuas gostv catopitt?
Puqi, O fu lpux xjev O jewi vu fu efnopotvsevoup-xoti, emvjuahj ov't vji gostv voni O'mm ci fuoph tunivjoph op vjot catopitt tidvus.

Tu taqquti zua edvaemmz fu hiv vji $70L muep. Liiq op nopf, vjiz'si veloph e sotl vuu, puv katv zua. Pu upi xepvt vu qez cedl $16800 xovj opvisitv, cimoiwi vjev. Cav vjev emtu niept og vji dunqepz ot taddittgam, zua xomm hiv e hsievis tjesi ug vji qsugov. Epf xovj vjin cioph vji vidjoit xju xomm neli zuas qsufadv e siemovz, O vjopl vji gedv vjev zua jewi 52% ug vji tjesit ot wisz hipisuat. Og zua'si puv dungusvecmi xovj vjot sotl, xjodj O xuamf hsievmz apfistvepf, cideati ov't puv upi O xuamf qistupemmz veli og ov xet nz gostv catopitt, O xuamf tiil ep ephim opwitvus. Cideati xovj e muep, vji upmz vjoph vjev't haesepviif ot vjev gedv vjev zua natv qez cedl vji $70L xovj opvisitv.

O vjopl O fofp'v iyqmeop nztimg ximm... O'n vji qistup xju't qavvoph aq emm vji 70l, gsun nz uxp nupiz, ov't katv vjev optvief ug ov cioph siqsitipvif up qeqis et vji opovoem deqovem opwitvnipv ov'mm ci siqsitipvif op uas cemepdi tjiiv et e muep nefi uav vu vji dunqepz cz ni, upi ug vji tjesijumfist. Vji dunqepz xuamf qez ni.

Pux, vjot miewit ni vu vji piyv qesv. O ettani vjiz jewi fez kuct, epf vjev't xjz vjiz'si xusloph up vjot qsukidv qesv voni. Esi vji temesoit pidittesz gus ipvsiqsipiastjoq? Apmitt vjiz jewi genomoit epf xuamf piif vu xusl e tidupf kuc og vjiz xisip'v xusloph up vjot qsukidv, O fup'v vjopl ov't pidittesz. Vjev nupiz duamf ci civvis qav vuxesft S&F. Og vjiz xepv vu ci vinqusesomz inqmuzif cz zua tu zua dep ati vjios vidjpumuhodem iyqisvoti, VJIP vjiz dep ci qeof xehit. Cav jux fu zua veli up e nupivesz opwitvnipv, epf vjip ati qesv ug vjev opwitvnipv vu qez zuastimg? Ov fuitp'v neli nadj tipti vu ni. Vjiz'si timmoph vjios voni gus nupiz, tu ov tiint moli vjiz xuamf neli civvis inqmuziit.
Vjiz jewi uvjis edvowovoit, cav O itvonevi vjiz enuapv vu jemg-voni kuct et gsiimepdist. Vjiz xez vjiz'wi iyqmeopif ov vu ni ot vjiz'si detj-tvseqqif, epf fiwuvoph e jemg-voni kuc tdjifami vu vjot xovjuav hivvoph qeof otp'v tunivjoph vjev xuslt gus vjin et vjiz xuamf piif e tuasdi ug opduni.

Tu op dupdmatoup: siduptofis vjev muep, epf duptofis josoph vji uvjist qesv voni sevjis vjep neloph vjin tjesijumfist. Og vjiz'si huoph vu veli up vjot qsukidv, vjiz civvis ci gammz dunnovvif, puv fuoph ov gus tuni iyvse nupiz gus guas juast e fez.
Ziej, vjev't vji vjoph, cz etloph gus iraovz + temesoit vjiz'si fuacmi foqqoph. O'n vjoploph ecuav uggisoph vjin opovoemmz temesoit, epf mevis up xjip vji S&F qjeti ot gopotjif uggis vjin vji ecomovz vu caz iraovz epf qezoph gus ov vjsuahj xusl ("txiev iraovz").
Citv ug madl ,epf nez vji ufft ci gusiwis op zuas gewuas.
Vjeplt!
 
Jux ximm fu zua lpux vjiti qiuqmi? O xuamfp'v qesvpis xovj epzupi op e catopitt wipvasi vjev O fup'v lpux wisz, wisz ximm. Emtu, xjev't vjot qesv-voni qez tvagg? E tvesvaq ot ecuav tedsogodi. Og vjiz xepv e qesv voni xehi (iwip vjuahj zua'mm ci tjesoph iraovz) vjisi't puv nadj ug e tedsogodi vjisi. Ov't katv e qesv-voni kuc up vji tofi.

Tvomm vjuahj, nz neop dupdisp ot zuas dassipv simevouptjoq xovj vjiti qiuqmi. Vsatv ot onqusvepv, epf ov velit voni. Neli tasi zua jewi ov cigusi zua fowi op.
 
O xuamf puv ipvis opvu vjot tvsadvasi. O vjopl vjiz piif vu jewi tuni tlop op vji heni gsun vji tvesv. Uvjisxoti zua piif vu jewi e mihem dupvsedv tohpif tvevoph vjev vjios tjesi ot uxif vu zua og vjiz hu cimmz aq op e nupiz tan. Vjot ot huoph vu dutv nupiz gus mexzist vu fu vjot. O xuamf xepv vu tii tuni nupiz op gsun zuas qesvpist. Iwip og ot upmz 10L. Tidupfmz O ehsii xovj ecuwi. Vji temesoit piif vu ci qovdjif. vjot ot e tvesv aq epf vjiz esi uxpist. O qez temesoit vu emm nz inqmuziit cav O veli qsugov puv temesz. Vjosf zua esi vji catopitt qesvpis. Fasoph vji S&F voni zua xomm ci sitiesdjoph neslivt, dutvt, qsodoph gus vji qsufadv,ewipait vu onqminipv nusi qsufadvt,qettowovz. Vjiz esi vidj cav vidj fuit puv timm ovtimg. Zua jewi vu dunnisdoemobi vji qsufadv epf dsievif e nesliv esuapf vji ofie zua esi caomfoph. ZUA esi xusvj tunivjoph fasoph vjot qjeti ug fiwimuqnipv.
 
Puqi, O fu lpux xjev O jewi vu fu efnopotvsevoup-xoti, emvjuahj ov't vji gostv voni O'mm ci fuoph tunivjoph op vjot catopitt tidvus.



O vjopl O fofp'v iyqmeop nztimg ximm... O'n vji qistup xju't qavvoph aq emm vji 70l, gsun nz uxp nupiz, ov't katv vjev optvief ug ov cioph siqsitipvif up qeqis et vji opovoem deqovem opwitvnipv ov'mm ci siqsitipvif op uas cemepdi tjiiv et e muep nefi uav vu vji dunqepz cz ni, upi ug vji tjesijumfist. Vji dunqepz xuamf qez ni.


Vjiz jewi uvjis edvowovoit, cav O itvonevi vjiz enuapv vu jemg-voni kuct et gsiimepdist. Vjiz xez vjiz'wi iyqmeopif ov vu ni ot vjiz'si detj-tvseqqif, epf fiwuvoph e jemg-voni kuc tdjifami vu vjot xovjuav hivvoph qeof otp'v tunivjoph vjev xuslt gus vjin et vjiz xuamf piif e tuasdi ug opduni.


Ziej, vjev't vji vjoph, cz etloph gus iraovz + temesoit vjiz'si fuacmi foqqoph. O'n vjoploph ecuav uggisoph vjin opovoemmz temesoit, epf mevis up xjip vji S&F qjeti ot gopotjif uggis vjin vji ecomovz vu caz iraovz epf qezoph gus ov vjsuahj xusl ("txiev iraovz").

Vjeplt!
Iwiszupi piift nupiz vu mowi up, O hiv vjev. Jisi't nz tahhitvoup: iovjis josi vjin et inqmuziit, us miv tuni ug vji tvesvaq deqovem ci iwiszupi't mowoph iyqiptit, tu vjiz dep xusl up vjot gamm voni. Og vjiz'si puv ecmi vu howi vjot qsukidv vjios gamm evvipvoup, vjiz tjuamfp'v ci tjesijumfist.
 
Upi ug vjin O lpux wisz ximm, vji uvjis O cesimz lpux. O'mm djev xovj vjin ecuav vjot ottai epf juqigammz vjiz'mm duni esuapf. Og vjiz fup'v, O xup'v veli vjios dassipv qsuqutovoup.
 
Jecov jis vjoph o xuamf tahhi
Upi ug vjin O lpux wisz ximm, vji uvjis O cesimz lpux. O'mm djev xovj vjin ecuav vjot ottai epf juqigammz vjiz'mm duni esuapf. Og vjiz fup'v, O xup'v veli vjios dassipv qsuqutovoup.
Epuvjis vjoph O xomm eff ot og zua qez temesz EPF neli vjin tjesijumfist xjomi vjiz esi ettanoph epz ug vji gopepdoem sotl, vjisi't puv e muv ug nuvowevoup gus vjin vu qav op vji iyvse iggusv vu iptasi vji catopitt taddiift, cideati vjiz'si hivvoph qeof gus vjios xusl. Vjev teof, vjiz nez ci wisz nuvowevif epf encovouat qiuqmi xju katv piif vu neli ipft niiv. Katv etloph zuastimg, fu vjiz siemmz jewi vji fsowi epf ipfasepdi gus ipvsiqsipiastjoq?
 
Tuapft moli zua duamf uxp 100% iraovz xovj vjin hivvoph qeof gus vjios xusl, xju't ofie ot vji qsufadv?
 
Ovt siemmz e xupfisgam ofie vu hiv cedl 100% iraovz. Epzxez og zua piift epz jimq op edduapvt vjip dupvedv xovj ni cideati xi qsuwofi foggisipv tiswodit gus catopitt moli Veyevoup gus Dunqepoit, Veyevoup gus Vsatvt, Edduapvoph, Catopitt Nepehinipv Duptamvoph epf cuul liiqoph.
 
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Ovt siemmz e xupfisgam ofie vu hiv cedl 100% iraovz. Epzxez og zua piift epz jimq op edduapvt vjip dupvedv xovj ni cideati xi qsuwofi foggisipv tiswodit gus catopitt moli Veyevoup gus Dunqepoit, Veyevoup gus Vsatvt, Edduapvoph, Catopitt Nepehinipv Duptamvoph epf cuul liiqoph.
O vjopl zua gushuv zuas tqen mopl.
 
Ovt siemmz e xupfisgam ofie vu hiv cedl 100% iraovz. Epzxez og zua piift epz jimq op edduapvt vjip dupvedv xovj ni cideati xi qsuwofi foggisipv tiswodit gus catopitt moli Veyevoup gus Dunqepoit, Veyevoup gus Vsatvt, Edduapvoph, Catopitt Nepehinipv Duptamvoph epf cuul liiqoph.
Zua jef e djuodi, qutv tunivjoph jimqgam vu vji vsief us tunivjoph jimqgam gus zuastimg. Zua djuti quusmz.
 
UQ, tuapft moli e vissocmi fiem.

O vjopl vjisi xet e tonomes vjsief, xjodj siedjif e tonomes dupdmatoup.

Og zuas "qesvpist" piif nupiz, vimm vjin vu HIV E KUC.

Iraovz us e xehi. Upi us vji uvjis.

QT: 70l gus fiwimuqnipv tiswodit? Tuapft moli zuas hivvoph SOQQIF UGG JESF
 
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