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Free registration at the forum removes this block.Yeah, I was about to say, hard work is the best predictor to success. You have to be smart aswell but IQ has little to do with intelligence.Oh man, here we go ;D
The first thing is Intelligence.
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IQ is very predictive of success.
Do you have to be smart to be rich? The impact of IQ on wealth, income and financial distress
The next is a trait called Conscientiousness, which his actually more predictive statistically of life success than IQ.
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Conscientiousness is huge to success. Huge.
Conscientiousness is the personality trait of being careful, or vigilant. Conscientiousness implies a desire to do a task well, and to take obligations to others seriously. Conscientious people tend to be efficient and organized as opposed to easy-going and disorderly. They exhibit a tendency to show self-discipline, act dutifully, and aim for achievement; they display planned rather than spontaneous behavior; and they are generally dependable. It is manifested in characteristic behaviors such as being neat, and systematic; also including such elements as carefulness, thoroughness, and deliberation (the tendency to think carefully before acting.)[1] Conscientiousness is one of the five traits of both the Five Factor Model and the HEXACO model of personality and is an aspect of what has traditionally been referred to as having character. Conscientious individuals are generally hard-working, and reliable. They are also likely to be conformists.[2] When taken to an extreme, they may also be "workaholics", perfectionists, and compulsive in their behavior.[3] People who score low on conscientiousness tend to be laid back, less goal-oriented, and less driven by success; they also are more likely to engage in antisocial and criminal behavior.[4]
Conscientiousness is characterized by self-control, organization, and goal orientation and is positively related to a number of health and professional outcomes. Thus, it is commonly suggested that conscientiousness should be related to superior executive functioning (EF) abilities, especially prepotent response inhibition. However, little empirical support for this notion has emerged, perhaps due to oversimplified and underspecified modeling of EF. The current study sought to fill this gap by testing relations between conscientiousness and three facets of EF using a nested factors latent variable approach. Participants (N = 420; Mage = 22.5; 50% male; 91% Caucasian) completed a measure of conscientiousness and nine EF tasks designed to tap three related yet distinguishable facets of EF: working memory updating, mental set shifting, and prepotent response inhibition. Structural equation models showed that conscientiousness is positively associated with the EF facet of mental set shifting but not response inhibition or working memory updating. Despite the common notion that conscientiousness is associated with cognitive abilities related to rigid control over impulses (i.e., inhibition), the current results suggest the cognitive ability most associated with conscientiousness is characterized by flexibility and the ability to adapt to changing environmental contingencies and task demands.
Lower psychometric conscientiousness and steeper discounting of future rewards at age 14 also predicts problematic drug use at age 16, but the neural responses independently predict more variance than psychometric measures. Together, these findings suggest that diminished neural responses to anticipated rewards in novelty-seeking adolescents may increase vulnerability to future problematic drug use.
Frontiers in Psychology - Who does well in life? Conscientious adults excel in both objective and subjective success
LOW Aggreeableness is also correlated for a couple reasons. People low on agreeableness are competitive, and also less likely to puss out on income negotiations.
So basically (in order of importance):
Hard worker, neat, smart, competitive
In technical terms:
high industriousness, high orderliness, high IQ, low agreeableness
How much you can change these traits is another topic. They’re about 50% hereditary, but there are things you can do.
Valid criticism. I generally thing Self-Help from folks in Academia is amazing. Angela Duckworth, Gabriele Oettingen, Jordan B. Peterson, Dr. Robert Sapolsky. Those authors are top-level PhDs in their respective fields. But I usually call those books “Personal Development” rather than “Self Help.” Just a personal preference.
There’s a controversy in science regarding IQ..IQ has little to do with intelligence
Yeah, I was about to say, hard work is the best predictor to success. You have to be smart aswell but IQ has little to do with intelligence.
No, IQ is bullshit and intelligence is not fixed: https://mediarelations.uwo.ca/2012/12/19/western-university-led-research-debunks-the-iq-myth/There’s a controversy in science regarding IQ..
honestly... i think it’s total liberal bullshit.. and this is one of my major criticisms of academia.. they put political correctness in front of facts
they claim that IQ is racist because people of certain races were found to have lower IQs then all the SJW professors started with the rabble rabble IQ is BS! nonsense
IQ is literally one of the most accurate measurements psychology has
It’s a liberal thing... liberals want everyone to believe that the only reason that people succeed or fail in life is due to “the man holdin them down,” “racism,” “sexism,” or some other “powerism” .. it really grinds my gears
more on this for anyone interested in the IQ controversy 49:00 2017 Personality 18: Biology & Traits: Openness/Intelligence/Creativity I
Also, Neuroscientist Sam Harris:
People don’t want to hear that a person's intelligence is in large measure due to his or her genes and there seems to be very little we can do environmentally to increase a person's intelligence even in childhood. It's not that the environment doesn't matter, but genes appear to be 50 to 80 percent of the story. People don't want to hear this. And they certainly don't want to hear that average IQ differs across races and ethnic groups.
Now, for better or worse, these are all facts. In fact, there is almost nothing in psychological science for which there is more evidence than these claims. About IQ, about the validity of testing for it, about its importance in the real world, about its heritability, and about its differential expression in different populations.
Again, this is what a dispassionate look at [what] decades of research suggest. Unfortunately, the controversy over The Bell Curve did not result from legitimate, good-faith criticisms of its major claims. Rather, it was the product of a politically correct moral panic that totally engulfed Murray's career and has yet to release him.
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Thanks @Real Deal Denver That's awesome. You and the people you mentioned are actually far more educated imo because guess what?You got it Avanle. Chris has valid points - if you like studies. Then they have studies on studies. If you delve too much into that you get paralysis by analysis.
I know SO many successful people, and the most amazing thing is that their success did not come from their superior education. It came from their stubbornness to master a particular job. And their jobs aren't sexy. Two are in construction - one does lawn care - one is in real estate - one is a plumber - one is an electrician - one is a welder - one has a restaurant. There are two things they all have in common - one, they achieved their success all on their own, and two, they are all millionaires. Damn the charts and studies - these people have things to do today!
In my own multiple careers, I have mastered every career I've ever undertaken. It's not because I'm smart. Many people that I've competed with are smarter than me, but I have triumphed when we crossed paths in business. I came out the winner - as so many of my friends do as well. Is it luck? Is it genetics? Is it my good looks? What could it be?
It's this. I take apart a market piece by piece to study it and figure out the WHY the leader of the market is successful - then I figure out the HOW, and build my business machine bigger and better. Not accounting for time restraints, ANYONE could duplicate the success I have had, or any of my friends have had, as well. It comes down to just doing it, and never staying stagnant. Keep improving day by day.
Not being "educated" is indeed a blessing for so many people I know because we don't know how hard it is to go against the odds. If only we had seen the charts and graphs. But we didn't, so we pushed on ahead anyway - despite our limitations.
It is easy to capture any market. That doesn't mean I would want to, but it could be done. I can take any business apart and figure out how to outmaneuver them - if I have the time to devote to it. It might take years or decades, but it can be done. Even the almighty Wal-Mart is fighting for market share. Even Musk came along and is teaching the car manufacturers a thing or two. Jobs reinvented technology and took it to new heights. All one man people - just one man made all the difference.
Call me delusional - call me ignorant - call me uneducated. I'm in great company. My heroes were all called the same thing at one point in time.
Great post @Ayanle Farah. I'm on your side 100%!
Like clockwork.no amount of graphs or charts can compare to real life experience.
lmfao you’re in candylandThere is a man who walked again after severing his spine and being told it'd never happen, after "defying science", he said.
"You have to think you're the exception to be exceptional"
lmfao you’re in candyland
You got it Avanle. Chris has valid points - if you like studies. Then they have studies on studies. If you delve too much into that you get paralysis by analysis.
I know SO many successful people, and the most amazing thing is that their success did not come from their superior education. It came from their stubbornness to master a particular job. And their jobs aren't sexy. Two are in construction - one does lawn care - one is in real estate - one is a plumber - one is an electrician - one is a welder - one has a restaurant. There are two things they all have in common - one, they achieved their success all on their own, and two, they are all millionaires. Damn the charts and studies - these people have things to do today!
In my own multiple careers, I have mastered every career I've ever undertaken. It's not because I'm smart. Many people that I've competed with are smarter than me, but I have triumphed when we crossed paths in business. I came out the winner - as so many of my friends do as well. Is it luck? Is it genetics? Is it my good looks? What could it be?
It's this. I take apart a market piece by piece to study it and figure out the WHY the leader of the market is successful - then I figure out the HOW, and build my business machine bigger and better. Not accounting for time restraints, ANYONE could duplicate the success I have had, or any of my friends have had, as well. It comes down to just doing it, and never staying stagnant. Keep improving day by day.
Not being "educated" is indeed a blessing for so many people I know because we don't know how hard it is to go against the odds. If only we had seen the charts and graphs. But we didn't, so we pushed on ahead anyway - despite our limitations.
It is easy to capture any market. That doesn't mean I would want to, but it could be done. I can take any business apart and figure out how to outmaneuver them - if I have the time to devote to it. It might take years or decades, but it can be done. Even the almighty Wal-Mart is fighting for market share. Even Musk came along and is teaching the car manufacturers a thing or two. Jobs reinvented technology and took it to new heights. All one man people - just one man made all the difference.
Call me delusional - call me ignorant - call me uneducated. I'm in great company. My heroes were all called the same thing at one point in time.
Great post @Ayanle Farah. I'm on your side 100%!
It's this. I take apart a market piece by piece to study it and figure out the WHY the leader of the market is successful - then I figure out the HOW, and build my business machine bigger and better. Not accounting for time restraints, ANYONE could duplicate the success I have had, or any of my friends have had, as well. It comes down to just doing it, and never staying stagnant. Keep improving day by day.
Boom, there it is. I'm a firm believer in lifelong education, but not by force-feeding non-related subjects down peoples throats. I personally am not a big fan of the modern day education system.The type of person that is willing to educate themselves for the rest of their lives.
I’m not debating the validity of the storyThis is the video, I made a separate thread for it once.
thanks man... i sometimes don’t want to come off as arguing.. but these debates end up bringing up a lot of good points that i think people can benefit from.. and also help me clarify my own positions
THIS... f---in thisReading gives you the ability to turbo-charge your learning and learn from the experience of others.
Hell no, only he is responsible for making himself walk. He literally said they told him he'd never walk again. The hospital he stayed at gave him the support he needed while he was staying there but they didn't make him walk.I’m not debating the validity of the story
dude the guy got better because of physical therapy.. which is highly informed by medicine and science
they literally show a picture of the hospital who helped him walk
science are the ones who helped him walk.. it’s not the bad guys yelling at him that he can’t do it
See, you seem to have this dichotomy in your brain. A dichotomy where there are “Learners” and there are “Doers”.... and the “Doers” don’t have time for learning because they’re too busy “doing”... and I don’t know where you get the idea that they’re mutually exclusive. As if people who get educations just get educations for the sake of education and put their thumb in their a$$. You learn sh*t to do sh*t better. People don’t learn sh*t just so they can recite the alphabet better
It’s not Narcism when you’re really as awesome as i am ;D
Just skimmed through this thread, are there any other books or authors that you would recommend taking a look at?i usually don’t get that personal on this forum, esp not the main forum but sh*t
there’s a major reason i’m so scientifically-minded
this was about 7 or so years ago..
before that i went through 10+ years of Major Depression. serious, torturous stuff for ten+ years.
i thought self-help had an answer for me.. i listened to all of it... Tony Robbins, Napoleon Hill, Bob Proctor
i swore it worked. i mean i had no results, but it made so much sense.... positive thinking.. how could you argue with that? how could you possibly argue that positive thinking wasn’t the answer?
But it still wasn’t doing anything for me. i preached it from the rooftops, but i still had this constant tormentor that followed me around daily. it was an internal torture chamber.
I eventually had a "FTE" said f*ck this and dug into medical journals. I learned about chemical imbalances, and all the stuff these ‘positive thinking’ guys said was bullshit. i learned about serotonin and dopamine and endorphin and GABA.. but the positive thinking guys said that wasn’t the problem.. it was my 'negative thinking'... the doctors and scientists said otherwise. the research said otherwise. but the positive thinking guys knew better than the scientists.
What was the problem? The problem was so f*cking embarrassingly simple that i almost wish it were my ‘negative thought patterns’
The problem was, without getting into all the complex science behind this.. there’s a brain chemical called serotonin. it’s the main chemical theorized to be responsible for depression. So there’s actually dietary protein called tryptophan. when ingested your body converts it to 5-HTP then Serotonin.
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I bought tryptophan supplements from GNC and the problem went away within a week. My problem that literally f---ing tortured me for over a decade was a f---ing deficiency in a single retarded dietary protein.
How did the positive thinking guys miss that? And furthermore, why are they spouting knowledge they simply don’t have.
But that was the first shift.... the next was how i simply became extremely skeptical. and i don’t mean skeptical in a negative sense.. i mean in the sense of demanding evidence. I don’t are about one guy saying something works... I want 1000 people saying it works. 90% o the time I’m not even going to waste my time looking into something that one person says works
in the past 7+ years i’ve started applying that philosophy to basically everything i do, and the difference it’s made is disgusting. There’s really been no goal i’ve set out to achieve that i haven’t accomplished. Sometimes it takes a bit put the pieces together.. sometimes months... but at least i know i’m not chasing ghosts
Since I made that shift from believing little anecdotes to demanding real evidence or data
and that is an idea that is pounded into you in academia. it doesn’t even have to be academia. just buy books that cite their sources for god’s sake Kevin Hogan wrote a great quote:
Read everything that matters. If it doesn’t have a bibliography, it is fiction. Fiction is for fun when time permits. Fiction is GREAT. I love fiction. And when my research is done, I go straight to Greg Iles or James Rollins or Matthew Riley or whoever…but FIRST, read material that is going to REALLY help you.
And I agree 100%. If a book doesn’t have references, it’s fiction as far as I’m concerned. Even if it does have references, they could be sh*t references. That’s generally very rare though. I rarely even pick up a book unless the author has at least one or two PhDs. And that sounds shallow, and I definitely makes exceptions because there are brilliant authors without PhDs ( @MJ DeMarco obviously being one, ) but in general I find it to be much higher quality.
I am really really happy about the newfound fame of Jordan Peterson (he talks about serotonin and diet quite a bit) because he’s actually bringing science to the conversation, and i’m even more happy that people care. I’m more happy that people are buying scientific personal development materials than there is someone selling it, if that makes sense.
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i love when people ask me that haha.. yes.. there areJust skimmed through this thread, are there any other books or authors that you would recommend taking a look at?
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