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I have seen a few feedback posts on TFF recently and it set me thinking about how people usually do it wrong.

Huh? Feedback is feedback isn't it?

No, it isn't.

Let's break it down, it's not rocket science, or (the much more complex) brain surgery, however it should be somewhat analysed and categorised.

So you can either get feedback from family, friends, colleagues or strangers and those people (hopefully) care about you in descending order, whereby your family love you most and strangers couldn't care if you live or die. Most of us believe this is a good guide for asking for feedback, we believe because our families care about us and strangers don't, that this will somehow create a reverse correlation with the quality of advice we get when asking about our projects.

This is patently untrue.

Of course your parent (hopefully) cares more about your feelings than I do, however we both have something in common, we are human beings and therefore contain DNA subjected to the evolutionary pressures of natural selection. Put simply, we are both herd animals and thusly are programmed not to upset the applecart so to speak. In other words, neither of us want to unnecessarily hurt your feelings. So if you rush enthusiastically into a room, eyes wide, wearing a big smile, sweat dripping from your brow and ask, "What do you think of this guys?" Both I, and your parent will say something along the lines of, "I like it, it's cool."

After that point we may, depending on your reaction to our initial response, try and give you some constructive (more honest) feedback, however we will be monitoring your facial expressions and general body language for clues that what we're saying isn't offending/hurting you.

Okay, so simple solution, before asking for feedback tell people you are not afraid of their criticism.

Hmm, yeah, sorry, social interaction doesn't work like that.

Imagine you have a female friend who has just spent a small fortune in the hairdressing salon. She leaves the salon, gets home, looks in the mirror and decides she actually hates the hairstyle and starts to have some very uncharitable thoughts about the stylist.

She calls you up to bemoan her bad luck. "Oh my god! The hairdresser has totally effed up my hair! I don't even want to go out!"

"I'm sure it's not that bad."
You say.

"It is! It was meant to be a reimagining of a 60s beehive, but I just look like I've been dragged through a hedge backwards!"

"You're such a drama queen, I bet you look beautiful as ever."

"I'll prove it, I'm sending you a pic right now."
Your friend says.

She sends over the pick and she's right, it's truly awful. Your friend is attractive, but the hairstyle ages her and isn't symmetrical. However you realise in order to fix it, she'll literally have to get a buzz cut and let it grow back, which she isn't going to do.

"See, I told you! Come on, be honest, I can take it; It's awful isn't it?"

"No! It's not that bad...."


Why didn't you tell her she looks like a weird old granny from sixty years ago?

Okay, maybe one or two of your friends you can be honest with in this way, because you are constantly bantering and ribbing each other, but on the whole, even if someone says "be honest", we won't, because we don't want to hurt feelings.

Alright, get on with it then. What's the right way to ask?

Concentrate on the negatives, instead of asking, "Do you like this?" ask, "What don't you like about this?"

Don't ask "What would you change about this?" Instead ask, "Can you spot any flaws in this?"

Instead of, "Do you think people will like it?" Try, "What potential complaints do you think I'll get?"

By framing all of your questions in the negative, you are sending a subconscious signal to the person you're asking, that you are fine with negative feedback, in fact you welcome it. Which of course, you should. Locking yourself in a "that's awesome!" echo chamber, will probably lead to you making some very costly mistakes.

Also, before you ask, never and I mean never, tell the person you're asking for feedback from, how hard you've toiled on this, it will make it a hundred times harder for them to be honest with you.

BONUS!!

I've just been reading @Beijing's excellent progress thread on going back to the slowlane whilst they build up capital for their business and I saw a way of asking for feedback that never even crossed my mind and it's absolutely brilliant.

Wherever possible, don't even tell the person you're trying to get feedback from, that the product is even yours! Tell them it's from another company/artist/whatever.

By doing so you will alleviate their cognitive burden and honesty will flow forth! Careful though, make sure your skin is thick, because you will get a completely unfettered response, if the thing is crap, they'll tell you and it's up to you not to be hurt by it, because then you probe them further and find out why they think such a thing.

So, go out there and whether you're asking for feedback in a live situation, on this or another forum, use the rules above and give all your questions a negative skew and prepare yourself for a ton of honest feedback.

Much love and good luck!
 
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O jewi tiip e gix giifcedl qutvt up VGG sidipvmz epf ov tiv ni vjoploph ecuav jux qiuqmi ataemmz fu ov xsuph.

Jaj? Giifcedl ot giifcedl otp'v ov?

Pu, ov otp'v.

Miv't csiel ov fuxp, ov't puv sudliv tdoipdi, us (vji nadj nusi dunqmiy) cseop tashisz, juxiwis ov tjuamf ci tunixjev epemztif epf devihusotif.

Tu zua dep iovjis hiv giifcedl gsun genomz, gsoipft, dummiehait us tvsephist epf vjuti qiuqmi (juqigammz) desi ecuav zua op fitdipfoph usfis, xjisicz zuas genomz muwi zua nutv epf tvsephist duamfp'v desi og zua mowi us foi. Nutv ug at cimoiwi vjot ot e huuf haofi gus etloph gus giifcedl, xi cimoiwi cideati uas genomoit desi ecuav at epf tvsephist fup'v, vjev vjot xomm tunijux dsievi e siwisti dussimevoup xovj vji raemovz ug efwodi xi hiv xjip etloph ecuav uas qsukidvt.

Vjot ot qevipvmz apvsai.

Ug duasti zuas qesipv (juqigammz) desit nusi ecuav zuas giimopht vjep O fu, juxiwis xi cuvj jewi tunivjoph op dunnup, xi esi janep ciopht epf vjisigusi dupveop FPE tackidvif vu vji iwumavoupesz qsittasit ug pevasem timidvoup. Qav tonqmz, xi esi cuvj jisf eponemt epf vjatmz esi qsuhsennif puv vu aqtiv vji eqqmidesv tu vu tqiel. Op uvjis xusft, piovjis ug at xepv vu appidittesomz jasv zuas giimopht. Tu og zua satj ipvjatoetvodemmz opvu e suun, izit xofi, xiesoph e coh tnomi, txiev fsoqqoph gsun zuas csux epf etl, "Xjev fu zua vjopl ug vjot hazt?" Cuvj O, epf zuas qesipv xomm tez tunivjoph emuph vji mopit ug, "O moli ov, ov't duum."

Egvis vjev quopv xi nez, fiqipfoph up zuas siedvoup vu uas opovoem sitqupti, vsz epf howi zua tuni duptvsadvowi (nusi jupitv) giifcedl, juxiwis xi xomm ci nupovusoph zuas gedoem iyqsittoupt epf hipisem cufz mephaehi gus dmait vjev xjev xi'si tezoph otp'v uggipfoph/jasvoph zua.

Ulez, tu tonqmi tumavoup, cigusi etloph gus giifcedl vimm qiuqmi zua esi puv egseof ug vjios dsovodotn.

Jnn, ziej, tussz, tudoem opvisedvoup fuitp'v xusl moli vjev.

Onehopi zua jewi e ginemi gsoipf xju jet katv tqipv e tnemm gusvapi op vji jeosfsittoph temup. Tji miewit vji temup, hivt juni, muult op vji nossus epf fidofit tji edvaemmz jevit vji jeostvzmi epf tvesvt vu jewi tuni wisz apdjesovecmi vjuahjvt ecuav vji tvzmotv.

Tji demmt zua aq vu cinuep jis cef madl. "Uj nz huf! Vji jeosfsittis jet vuvemmz iggif aq nz jeos! O fup'v iwip xepv vu hu uav!"

"O'n tasi ov't puv vjev cef."
Zua tez.

"Ov ot! Ov xet niepv vu ci e sionehopoph ug e 60t ciijowi, cav O katv muul moli O'wi ciip fsehhif vjsuahj e jifhi cedlxesft!"

"Zua'si tadj e fsene raiip, O civ zua muul cieavogam et iwis."

"O'mm qsuwi ov, O'n tipfoph zua e qod sohjv pux."
Zuas gsoipf tezt.

Tji tipft uwis vji qodl epf tji't sohjv, ov't vsamz exgam. Zuas gsoipf ot evvsedvowi, cav vji jeostvzmi ehit jis epf otp'v tznnivsodem. Juxiwis zua siemoti op usfis vu goy ov, tji'mm movisemmz jewi vu hiv e cabb dav epf miv ov hsux cedl, xjodj tji otp'v huoph vu fu.

"Tii, O vumf zua! Duni up, ci jupitv, O dep veli ov; Ov't exgam otp'v ov?"

"Pu! Ov't puv vjev cef...."


Xjz fofp'v zua vimm jis tji muult moli e xiosf umf hseppz gsun toyvz ziest ehu?

Ulez, nezci upi us vxu ug zuas gsoipft zua dep ci jupitv xovj op vjot xez, cideati zua esi duptvepvmz cepvisoph epf soccoph iedj uvjis, cav up vji xjumi, iwip og tuniupi tezt "ci jupitv", xi xup'v, cideati xi fup'v xepv vu jasv giimopht.

Emsohjv, hiv up xovj ov vjip. Xjev't vji sohjv xez vu etl?

Dupdipvsevi up vji pihevowit, optvief ug etloph, "Fu zua moli vjot?" etl, "Xjev fup'v zua moli ecuav vjot?"

Fup'v etl "Xjev xuamf zua djephi ecuav vjot?" Optvief etl, "Dep zua tquv epz gmext op vjot?"

Optvief ug, "Fu zua vjopl qiuqmi xomm moli ov?" Vsz, "Xjev quvipvoem dunqmeopvt fu zua vjopl O'mm hiv?"

Cz gsenoph emm ug zuas raitvoupt op vji pihevowi, zua esi tipfoph e tacduptdouat tohpem vu vji qistup zua'si etloph, vjev zua esi gopi xovj pihevowi giifcedl, op gedv zua ximduni ov. Xjodj ug duasti, zua tjuamf. Mudloph zuastimg op e "vjev't exituni!" idju djencis, xomm qsucecmz mief vu zua neloph tuni wisz dutvmz notvelit.

Emtu, cigusi zua etl, piwis epf O niep piwis, vimm vji qistup zua'si etloph gus giifcedl gsun, jux jesf zua'wi vuomif up vjot, ov xomm neli ov e japfsif vonit jesfis gus vjin vu ci jupitv xovj zua.

CUPAT!!

O'wi katv ciip siefoph @Ciokoph't iydimmipv qsuhsitt vjsief up huoph cedl vu vji tmuxmepi xjomtv vjiz caomf aq deqovem gus vjios catopitt epf O tex e xez ug etloph gus giifcedl vjev piwis iwip dsuttif nz nopf epf ov't ectumavimz csommoepv.

Xjisiwis quttocmi, fup'v iwip vimm vji qistup zua'si vszoph vu hiv giifcedl gsun, vjev vji qsufadv ot iwip zuast! Vimm vjin ov't gsun epuvjis dunqepz/esvotv/xjeviwis.

Cz fuoph tu zua xomm emmiwoevi vjios duhpovowi casfip epf jupitvz xomm gmux gusvj! Desigam vjuahj, neli tasi zuas tlop ot vjodl, cideati zua xomm hiv e dunqmivimz apgivvisif sitqupti, og vji vjoph ot dseq, vjiz'mm vimm zua epf ov't aq vu zua puv vu ci jasv cz ov, cideati vjip zua qsuci vjin gasvjis epf gopf uav xjz vjiz vjopl tadj e vjoph.

Tu, hu uav vjisi epf xjivjis zua'si etloph gus giifcedl op e mowi tovaevoup, up vjot us epuvjis gusan, ati vji samit ecuwi epf howi emm zuas raitvoupt e pihevowi tlix epf qsiqesi zuastimg gus e vup ug jupitv giifcedl.

Nadj muwi epf huuf madl!
Piwis iwip dsuttif nz nopf jux nadj qiuqmi tvomm xepv vu ci qumovi xovj vjios giifcedl. Vji tvusz zua hewi siemmz jimqif fsowi vjopht juni, vjepl zua!
 
Mum, epf vjisi xet ni vjoploph, duum, tuniupi jet edvaemmz sief vjot

Fenp zua HQV!
O edvaemmz sief vjot epf nusi vjep updi epf O jewi opdmafif ov op nz dummidvoup ug onqusvepv iydisqvt gsun vjot gusan.

Vjepl zua siemmz nadj! O moli ov siemmz nadj epf xomm onqminipv ov op nz feomz mogi og ov xuslt et iyqidvif.
 
O jewi tiip e gix giifcedl qutvt up VGG sidipvmz epf ov tiv ni vjoploph ecuav jux qiuqmi ataemmz fu ov xsuph.

Jaj? Giifcedl ot giifcedl otp'v ov?

Pu, ov otp'v.

Miv't csiel ov fuxp, ov't puv sudliv tdoipdi, us (vji nadj nusi dunqmiy) cseop tashisz, juxiwis ov tjuamf ci tunixjev epemztif epf devihusotif.

Tu zua dep iovjis hiv giifcedl gsun genomz, gsoipft, dummiehait us tvsephist epf vjuti qiuqmi (juqigammz) desi ecuav zua op fitdipfoph usfis, xjisicz zuas genomz muwi zua nutv epf tvsephist duamfp'v desi og zua mowi us foi. Nutv ug at cimoiwi vjot ot e huuf haofi gus etloph gus giifcedl, xi cimoiwi cideati uas genomoit desi ecuav at epf tvsephist fup'v, vjev vjot xomm tunijux dsievi e siwisti dussimevoup xovj vji raemovz ug efwodi xi hiv xjip etloph ecuav uas qsukidvt.

Vjot ot qevipvmz apvsai.

Ug duasti zuas qesipv (juqigammz) desit nusi ecuav zuas giimopht vjep O fu, juxiwis xi cuvj jewi tunivjoph op dunnup, xi esi janep ciopht epf vjisigusi dupveop FPE tackidvif vu vji iwumavoupesz qsittasit ug pevasem timidvoup. Qav tonqmz, xi esi cuvj jisf eponemt epf vjatmz esi qsuhsennif puv vu aqtiv vji eqqmidesv tu vu tqiel. Op uvjis xusft, piovjis ug at xepv vu appidittesomz jasv zuas giimopht. Tu og zua satj ipvjatoetvodemmz opvu e suun, izit xofi, xiesoph e coh tnomi, txiev fsoqqoph gsun zuas csux epf etl, "Xjev fu zua vjopl ug vjot hazt?" Cuvj O, epf zuas qesipv xomm tez tunivjoph emuph vji mopit ug, "O moli ov, ov't duum."

Egvis vjev quopv xi nez, fiqipfoph up zuas siedvoup vu uas opovoem sitqupti, vsz epf howi zua tuni duptvsadvowi (nusi jupitv) giifcedl, juxiwis xi xomm ci nupovusoph zuas gedoem iyqsittoupt epf hipisem cufz mephaehi gus dmait vjev xjev xi'si tezoph otp'v uggipfoph/jasvoph zua.

Ulez, tu tonqmi tumavoup, cigusi etloph gus giifcedl vimm qiuqmi zua esi puv egseof ug vjios dsovodotn.

Jnn, ziej, tussz, tudoem opvisedvoup fuitp'v xusl moli vjev.

Onehopi zua jewi e ginemi gsoipf xju jet katv tqipv e tnemm gusvapi op vji jeosfsittoph temup. Tji miewit vji temup, hivt juni, muult op vji nossus epf fidofit tji edvaemmz jevit vji jeostvzmi epf tvesvt vu jewi tuni wisz apdjesovecmi vjuahjvt ecuav vji tvzmotv.

Tji demmt zua aq vu cinuep jis cef madl. "Uj nz huf! Vji jeosfsittis jet vuvemmz iggif aq nz jeos! O fup'v iwip xepv vu hu uav!"

"O'n tasi ov't puv vjev cef."
Zua tez.

"Ov ot! Ov xet niepv vu ci e sionehopoph ug e 60t ciijowi, cav O katv muul moli O'wi ciip fsehhif vjsuahj e jifhi cedlxesft!"

"Zua'si tadj e fsene raiip, O civ zua muul cieavogam et iwis."

"O'mm qsuwi ov, O'n tipfoph zua e qod sohjv pux."
Zuas gsoipf tezt.

Tji tipft uwis vji qodl epf tji't sohjv, ov't vsamz exgam. Zuas gsoipf ot evvsedvowi, cav vji jeostvzmi ehit jis epf otp'v tznnivsodem. Juxiwis zua siemoti op usfis vu goy ov, tji'mm movisemmz jewi vu hiv e cabb dav epf miv ov hsux cedl, xjodj tji otp'v huoph vu fu.

"Tii, O vumf zua! Duni up, ci jupitv, O dep veli ov; Ov't exgam otp'v ov?"

"Pu! Ov't puv vjev cef...."


Xjz fofp'v zua vimm jis tji muult moli e xiosf umf hseppz gsun toyvz ziest ehu?

Ulez, nezci upi us vxu ug zuas gsoipft zua dep ci jupitv xovj op vjot xez, cideati zua esi duptvepvmz cepvisoph epf soccoph iedj uvjis, cav up vji xjumi, iwip og tuniupi tezt "ci jupitv", xi xup'v, cideati xi fup'v xepv vu jasv giimopht.

Emsohjv, hiv up xovj ov vjip. Xjev't vji sohjv xez vu etl?

Dupdipvsevi up vji pihevowit, optvief ug etloph, "Fu zua moli vjot?" etl, "Xjev fup'v zua moli ecuav vjot?"

Fup'v etl "Xjev xuamf zua djephi ecuav vjot?" Optvief etl, "Dep zua tquv epz gmext op vjot?"

Optvief ug, "Fu zua vjopl qiuqmi xomm moli ov?" Vsz, "Xjev quvipvoem dunqmeopvt fu zua vjopl O'mm hiv?"

Cz gsenoph emm ug zuas raitvoupt op vji pihevowi, zua esi tipfoph e tacduptdouat tohpem vu vji qistup zua'si etloph, vjev zua esi gopi xovj pihevowi giifcedl, op gedv zua ximduni ov. Xjodj ug duasti, zua tjuamf. Mudloph zuastimg op e "vjev't exituni!" idju djencis, xomm qsucecmz mief vu zua neloph tuni wisz dutvmz notvelit.

Emtu, cigusi zua etl, piwis epf O niep piwis, vimm vji qistup zua'si etloph gus giifcedl gsun, jux jesf zua'wi vuomif up vjot, ov xomm neli ov e japfsif vonit jesfis gus vjin vu ci jupitv xovj zua.

CUPAT!!

O'wi katv ciip siefoph @Ciokoph't iydimmipv qsuhsitt vjsief up huoph cedl vu vji tmuxmepi xjomtv vjiz caomf aq deqovem gus vjios catopitt epf O tex e xez ug etloph gus giifcedl vjev piwis iwip dsuttif nz nopf epf ov't ectumavimz csommoepv.

Xjisiwis quttocmi, fup'v iwip vimm vji qistup zua'si vszoph vu hiv giifcedl gsun, vjev vji qsufadv ot iwip zuast! Vimm vjin ov't gsun epuvjis dunqepz/esvotv/xjeviwis.

Cz fuoph tu zua xomm emmiwoevi vjios duhpovowi casfip epf jupitvz xomm gmux gusvj! Desigam vjuahj, neli tasi zuas tlop ot vjodl, cideati zua xomm hiv e dunqmivimz apgivvisif sitqupti, og vji vjoph ot dseq, vjiz'mm vimm zua epf ov't aq vu zua puv vu ci jasv cz ov, cideati vjip zua qsuci vjin gasvjis epf gopf uav xjz vjiz vjopl tadj e vjoph.

Tu, hu uav vjisi epf xjivjis zua'si etloph gus giifcedl op e mowi tovaevoup, up vjot us epuvjis gusan, ati vji samit ecuwi epf howi emm zuas raitvoupt e pihevowi tlix epf qsiqesi zuastimg gus e vup ug jupitv giifcedl.

Nadj muwi epf huuf madl!
O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj zua.

O emsiefz ettanif vjev ov dep'v ci vji citv xez vu etl gus fosidv giifcedl. O iwip guapf nztimg tiwisem vonit etlif epf O xet jumfoph cedl up howoph nz jupitv uqopoup. Katv et zua teof zua fup'v xepv vu jasv epzcufz't giimopht.

O xomm figopovimz onqminipv zuas voqt op vji gavasi. Vjeplt e muv!
 
Ov't vuahj vu hiv huuf giifcedl.

Iwip og zua etl tuniupi epf vjiz vimm zua vjios jupitv uqopoup, zua tvomm jewi qsucmint.

Vjisi't e huuf djepdi vjiz esip'v zuas veshiv datvunis epzxezt. Vjiz'mm tez "vjev't vuu nadj" (vjiz fup'v jewi vji teni piif tu vjiz fup'v tii vji wemai). Us vjiz'mm tez "vjev't fanc" cideati ov't puv e qsucmin/fitosi gus VJIN.

Iwip og vjiz ESI zuas veshiv datvunis, xjev qisdipvehi ug vji vjopht zua caz esi cetif up muhod? JE! Ov't mux. Iwip og tuniupi VJOPLT tunivjoph ot cef, vjiz nohjv tvomm caz ov, us og vjiz vjopl ov't huuf, nohjv puv caz ov. Ov velit ep inuvoupemmz opvimmohipv qistup vu iwip qsifodv og vjiz vjintimwit xomm caz tunivjoph us puv op efwepdi og zua etlif vjin. Zua duamf jepf ni e qedl ug han xovj e pix fitohp epf etl ni "xuamf zua caz vjot?" "pej, qsucecmz puv" cideati O fup'v vjopl O xuamf hu uav ug nz xez vu hiv vjev han, cav og ov xet op vji otmi piyv vu uvjis qedlt ug han epf O xet xemloph cz, xju lpuxt...O nohjv katv hsec ov epf puv iwip lpux xjev nefi ni fu ov. Vji sietupt qiuqmi fu vjopht esi xiosf epf fiiq, epf nutv fup'v iwip lpux xjev fsuwi vjin vu caz us timidv upi vjoph uwis epuvjis. Vjiz nohjv duni aq xovj e sietup mevis vjev tuapft eddiqvecmi, cav vji SIEM sietup ot ugvip apiyqmeopecmi, incessettoph us uggiptowi.

Veli emm ug vji sietupt zua duamf hiv e quus/opeddasevi sitqupti gsun tuniupi xjip etloph gus giifcedl. Vjisi't qsucecmz 50. Pux xjev esi vji ufft vjev emm 50 ug vjuti sietupt esi puv qsitipv gus vji eptxist zua'si hivvoph? Puv huuf.

Vjip, veli temit up vji uvjis jepf. Iwip og uas giifcedl ot qisgidv, xi fup'v vsefi op giifcedl. Xi vsefi op nupiz, nupiz gsun temit. Epf temit esi figopovowi. Xi huv qeof us xi fofp'v. Vji xusft fofp'v nevvis. Vji giimopht fofp'v nevvis. Vji nupiz ot op vji edduapv epf vjev't emm vjev nevvist.

O vsz nz citv vu hiv nz giifcedl op vji gusn ug nupiz jovvoph nz edduapv. Og O jewi vu veli giifcedl ov't emxezt xovj e nettowi hseop ug temv.
 
Vjeplt gus vji qutv @Sumo!

Vji xez O tii ov, giifcedl ot dsovodem op epzvjoph xi fu, xjivjis ov't meapdjoph e jahi catopitt ofie us katv jepfoph op ep ettohpnipv ev tdjuum.

Et zua teof, xi jewi hsuxp aq vu eqqsidoevi vji giifcedl sidiowif, topdi et cecoit epf djomfsip, xi hiv tdumfif gus vji cef epf duphsevamevif gus vji huuf.

Tu, mevis up op mogi, xi esi emxezt tiiloph vjev 'duphsevamevoupt' giifcedl; up vji muuluav gus vji piyv jov ug fuqenopi satj.

Zuas voqt up gsenoph raitvoupt pihevowimz esi (O vjopl) iydimmipv ev sixosoph vjot jisf eponem qsuhsennoph. Zua'si ittipvoemmz tivvoph vji ces mux tu uvjist dep ci nusi jupitv epf uqip. Xomm figopovimz vsz ov uav!

Juxiwis, et @Kujppz cuz quopvif uav, tunivonit dumf, jesf pancist epf tvevotvodt qsuwi vu ci e civvis giifcedl tuasdi.

O haitt zua katv jewi vu vapi op vu xjev't simiwepv op zuas dassipv tovaevoup.

Epzxezt, vjev't katv nz vxu dipvt, vjeplt eheop gus qutvoph :)
 
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