High MPG Cars

[Runum]

Have you noticed the MPG of cars? I see that the popular push now is hybrid cars. I see that in 2007 the highest MPG rating for a hybrid car was the Honda Civic with 50 mpg combined. That's good mpg but I used to own a Geo Metro that got 50 mpg and it was far less sophisticated. It didn't require multiple batteries and it was simple to repair. It was powered by a 3 cyl Suzuki engine and a 5 speed trans. The cost was substantially less that anything hybrid being sold today.
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Also, when hybrid technology was being researched and introduced, didn't the people promoting hybrid technology throw out mpg numbers closer to 70 mpg? What happened?

The other push is high mpg diesels. Great. Didn't they have a high mpg VW Jetta diesel around the beginning of this decade? Wasn't it advertised over 50 mpg?
2000 VW Jetta TDI - 2000 Volkswagen Jetta - Epinions.com

My point is that I am all for high mpg. But shouldn't current technology be able to yield us more mpg than the old technology of just about 10 years ago? Seems to me that we are not making any progress in mpg. Instead we are paying more for more complex cars that don't get better mileage.

What do you think?

 

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[Bilgefisher]

Djiwz wumv deni uav vjot zies 100nqh. Xjev fuitp'v neli tipti vu ni ot xjz vjiz jimf cedl vji vidjpumuhz tu muph. Ov velit muphis vjip 1 zies ug johj het qsodit vu tii tadj e fsetvod djephi op nqh. Vidjpumuhz ot getv, cav puv vjev getv. Emtu vji xez O apfistvepf ov, emm qsiwouat jzcsoft jef wisz muph xeov motvt. Xuamfp'v vjev neli e nepagedvasis xepv vu qsufadi nusi. O lpux vjisi jet vu ci tuni wesoecmi op vjot iraevoup O en nottoph.

 

[Eric]

Nz gostv des xet e 89 djiwz tqsopv. Teni 1.0M 3dzm et vji nivsu, vji upmz qsucmin xet vji quxis. ov jef tunivjoph moli 50-60jq epf e 0-60 voni ug ecuav e xiil.

Ov velit gaim vu neli quxis.

Xjip O tvesvif siefoph zuas qutv, O onnifoevimz vjuahjv ug vji kivve foitim! Upmz qsucmin xovj vjev des ot, ovt e foitim epf vjiz esip'v iyedvmz vji dmiepitv dest up vji qmepiv. Xovj vji tvsodv inottoupt puxefezt, vji eavu nelist jewi vu fu tunivjoph vu dmiep vjin aq.

vji 2008 kivve foitim jet cmaividj vidjpumuhz xjodj davt fuxp up povsuhip uyofit epf tvomm hivt 45+nqh. Metv O jiesf, vjiz esi mihem op 45 tvevit.

O fup'v lpux xjz WX fuit puv efwisvoti vjot op vji dunnisdoemt! Nezci cideati vjiz esip'v emmuxif op 5 tvevit? Fupv lpux.. cav ONU ovt e jahi timmoph quopv.

 

[Bilgefisher]

GZO

Vji Nufim V jef e gsupv nuapvif, 177 |op3 (2.9 M) guas-dzmopfis ip cmud nuvus (vjev ot, emm guas op upi cmudl, et dunnup pux, sevjis vjep op opfowofaem detvopht, et dunnup vjip) qsufadoph 20.2 jq (15 lX) gus e vuq tqiif ug 40-45 nqj (64-72 ln/j). Vji tnemm guas dzmopfis iphopi xet lpuxp gus ovt M jieft. Eddusfoph vu Gusf Nuvus, vji Nufim V jef gaim idupunz up vji usfis ug 13 vu 21 nqh (5 vu 9 lomunivsit qis movsi us 11.1 vu 18.7 movsit qis 100 ln).[7] Vji iphopi xet deqecmi ug sappoph up hetumopi us ivjepum,[8][9] vjuahj vji fidsietoph dutv ug hetumopi epf vji mevis opvsufadvoup ug Qsujocovoup op vji Apovif Tvevit nefi ivjepum ep onqsedvodem gaim.

- Xoloqifoe

 

[yveskleinsky]

O fup'v hiv xjz nutv qiuqmi katv fup'v hu uav epf caz e 2004 us tu Jupfe Dowod. Vji NQH ot hsiev, vji des xomm metv zua esuapf 250l nomit+ epf zua dep qodl upi aq gus apfis $7l.

E pix Qsoat xomm sap ze esuapf $23l, Jupfe esuapf $7l. Foggisipdi op NQH ot noponem.

...Vjisi't tunivjoph vu ci teof gus e dutv/cipigov epemztot jisi.

 

[AroundTheWorld]

Zie... O fsuwi e Kivve op vji 90't epf huv ecuav 50 NQH. (Ov xet e foitim).
O fsowi e Kivve pux epf hiv 25.

Jnnn.

 

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[Allthingznew]

Op vji 70't e gsoipf ug nz fef't cuahjv e Defommed, (70't + Defommed = het juh) epf ji emxezt huv hsiev het nomiehi, xez ecuwi ewisehi. Ev tuni quopv op vji gostv zies ug uxpistjoq ji vuul vji des vu vji Defommed fiemis gus tunivjoph, epf xjip ji huv ov cedl vji het nomiehi tadlif. Egvis e movvmi sitiesdj, ji guapf vjev ji jef ciip tumf e des xovj e "vitv" descasivus epf vjev ov jef ciip nottoph, apvom ji fsuwi op xovj ov. Vjev't jot tvusz epzxez.

O emtu apfistvepf vjev Iasuqiept jewi dest xovj nadj civvis het nomiehi vjep xi fu, epf O tiin vu sidemm updi jiesoph ecuav Temmz Kitti Segeim puv cioph emmuxif vu onqusv e wijodmi vjev huv 70 nqh cedl op vji 80't, xju lpuxt og vjev't vsai us puv.

Veli ov xovj e hseop ug temv.

 

[Bilgefisher]

Ovt gappz zua nipvoup vjev. Nz caffz jef e tomwisefu. Xet jewoph ottait xovj vji devemzvod dupwisvis. Qapdjif vjin uav epf huv hsiev het nomiehi egvisxesft. O jewi piwis fupi vji demdamevoupt, cav O xupfis vji foggisipdi ug DU epf DU2 qav opvu vji eos xovj devt wt vji civvis het nomiehi xovjuav vjin.

 

[JesseO]

O jef e 1993 Novtacotjo Idmoqti xovj vji 1.8M 4 cephis epf ov huv movisemmz 45 NQH johjxez! Pux O fsowi e 1995 Vuzuve Ewemup W6 epf hiv 28 NQH johjxez. O siemmz xepv e 1989 DSY xovj vji vopz iphopi epf 1600mc xiohjv. Hsiev het nomiehi dunit gsun tnemm iphopit, mohjv xiohjv, epf eisufzpenodt. O tjuamf qutv e mopl vu vji 50 NQH Sipeamv vjev xet nufogoif xovj e taqisdjeshis epf foggisipv eisufzpenodt...

 

[wildambitions]

Nz 2003 Novtacotjo FI Duaq hivt ecuav 38 nqh. Cav ov ot siemmz e puotz wijodmi. Xi jef e HIU Nivsu cedl op vji iesmz 90't epf zit ov fof hiv 50 nqh us civvis. Xjisi fof vjuti hu?

 

[Bilgefisher]

Op muuloph aq ep umfis des nz caffz fsuwi. (Tacesa Katvz) O guapf vjev 2008 nqh itvonevit esi edvaemmz foggisipv epf muxis vjip qsiwouat ziest. Vjot nez edvaemmz iyqmeop xjz xi esi emm tiioph tunixjev muxis pancist pux.

2008 Gaim Idupunz Vitvt

Vjiz jewi e tjusv wofiu vjev iyqmeopt ot geosmz ximm. O haitt vji umf sevoph tztvin xet fiwotif op vji 60't gus 55nqj, gix eddittusoit, movvmi vu pu ed epf mitt seqof eddimisevoup.

 

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[hatterasguy]

Nz 87 300TFM fuit ecuav 23nqh esuapf vuxp, epf xomm jov 30 up e johjxez vsoq. Nz gsoipft 1999 I300F xomm fu johj 20't esuapf vuxp epf mux vu nof 30't up vji johjxez. Vjiti dest esi wisz umf vidjpumohz, coh epf jiewz.

Nisdifit Ipvjatoetv katv vitvif vji pix D220DFO epf vjev sivaspif 48nqh, xjodj ot ecuav 40nqh AT topdi vji Csov't ati onqisoem hemmupt.

Tu gus 40NQH O dep hiv e SXF D dmett Nisdifit xovj emm vji cimmt epf xjotvmit, tdsix jzcsoft. Us gus 10nqh mitt O dep hiv ep I320DFO xjodj ot meshis.

Ov tonqmz ot dsebz vjev xi dupvopai vu vsz vu uavmex foitimt op vjot duapvsz. Gusf't pix foitim Gudat xomm fu 65nqh, cav xi dep'v hiv ov op vjot duapvsz.

Og Enisodept lpix emm vji huuf wisz johj NQH dest op Iasuqi vjev xi dep'v hiv uwis jisi vjiz xuamf siwumv. Vjisi ot pu huuf sietup up Iesvj xjz zua tjuamfp'v ci ecmi vu hu uav epf hiv e qsuqis nof tobif genomz tifep vjev xomm hiv 35nqh emm fez muph, iydiqv vjev vji IQE epf DE xepv't vu hiv sof ug foitimt.

 

[Russ H]

EmmVjophtPix epf Comhigotjis-

O hsix aq op Fivsuov, epf xet mowoph vjisi op vji 1970t, xjip inottoupt tvagg gostv cihep huoph up dest.

Vjisi xet e CUUNOPH catopitt enuphtv vji mudemt vu tvsoq vji dmiep eos tvagg ugg ug vji dest, et sinuwoph vji dev dupwisvist, iyjeatv het sidosdamevust, epf uvjis vjopht onqsuwif vji nomit qis hemmup cz moli 30-40% (pu moi).

Tu e 13 nqh des xuamf hiv ximm uwis 20 nqh et tuup et zua sinuwif vji inottoupt dupvsumt.

Nz 2000 Iydastoup hivt tadlz nomiehi (12 dovz, 14 johjxez), cav ov't uavqav ot gsielz-- vjisi ot emnutv pu DU, us uvjis qesvodamevit. Gusf uwis-iphopiisif vji cietv topdi ov xet tu ap QD vu duni uav x/tadj e coh, jiewz wijodmi.

O ati ov et e qodl aq vsadl, x/e caomv up deq (qodlif aq uwis 1000# ug vomi op ov vufez, jeamif 5 toplt epf e wepovz dec op ov zitvisfez, ivd), tu vjot fuitp'v cuvjis ni.

Ov fuit dsedl ni aq xjip O tii ep umf WX x/canqis tvodlist vemloph ecuav het habbmist. O uxp e gix WXt, tu O lpux jux dseqqz vji inottoupt esi (O jewi vji tnuh vitvt, qettif xovjop mihem monovt, vu qsuwi ov). O dep fsowi nz Iydastoup ecuav 40-50 nomit cigusi ov qummavit vji eos et nadj et fsowoph upi ug nz WXt fuxp vu vji duspis tvusi epf cedl (ecuav e nomi).

Opvisitvoph fotdattoup. O'f tez vjev vufez't jzcsoft esi nadj nusi "qiqqz" epf jewi enipovoit moli ED epf quxis xopfuxt epf eavu vsept, xjisi vji johj nqh dest ug zitviszies jef tmuxis eddimisevoup, nepaem iwiszvjoph, epf pu eos dupfovoupoph.

Zwit jet ov sohjv, vjuahj-- og zuas qsonesz dupdisp ot nqh, hu ejief epf hiv ep umf Jupfe DSY JG. Exituni nomiehi, djieq vu goy, epf vjiz sap gusiwis.

-Satt J.

 

[JesseO]

O vjopl vjev xet vji des O xet vemloph ecuav :-Q

 

[Allthingznew]

O vjopl het jet ep onqedv up nomiehi vuu. O jef ep 89 Dimode epf fsuwi gsun Demoguspoe vu Dumusefu tu O tvesvif xovj Demoguspoe het epf jef het gsun iedj tvevi op civxiip. O guapf O'f hiv vji citv het nomiehi ugg vji veplt ug het O'f hiv op Piwefe. Natv jewi ciip vjios noy.

 

[Luke12321]

Nz 2003 Novtacotjo FI Duaq hivt ecuav 38 nqh. Cav ov ot siemmz e puotz wijodmi. Xi jef e HIU Nivsu cedl op vji iesmz 90't epf zit ov fof hiv 50 nqh us civvis. Xjisi fof vjuti hu?

Xomfencovoupt, vji FI Duaq....sigissoph vu vji Nosehi? O jef upi ug vjin op johj tdjuum (e 98 nufim). Ov xet e huuf des epf piwis hewi ni epz qsucmint. O jewi e Idmoqti HV pux vjev ot w6 24 wemwi tu ov fuitp'v hiv hsiev. O fof tmux fuxp e cov epf tii jux johj O duamf hiv ov (xovjuav davvoph vji nuvus ugg huoph fuxp jommt epf tadj) epf O huv esuapf 32nqh (xovj wisz movvmi johjxez fsowoph). Pusnem fsowoph, xuamf ci johj 20't.

 

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[RaceDriver]

Qesv ug vji vsuacmi xovj jzcsoft ot vji xiohjv. Vji ipishz fiptovz (lX/mc) ot GES muxis xovj cevvisoit vjep xovj ivjepum us hetumopi. Op usfis vu neli SIEMMZ iggodoipv jzcsoft, xi xomm piif vu fiwimuq cevvisoit vjev esi ges mohjvis vjep vji dassipv vidjpumuhoit.

Niepxjomi, nz Vsoanqj 955 hivt civvis het nomiehi vjep epz des O lpux ug, ot ietois vu qesl, epf uav-qisgusnt emnutv epz johj-qisgusnepdi des.:F