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When the pandemic started I saw about 3 different VAXCClNE experts on television at different times all say about the same thing:

"I am the director of VAXCClNE research and have been studying vaccines for 40 years. Vaccines historically take an average of 10 years to develop. The quickest one was mumps at 4 years. We do not even know if we will ever have a VAXCClNE for C0VlD-19."

Then months later I saw on a reliable television program an interview of the (or a) company that developed the C0VlD-19 VAXCClNE and they said something like:

"As soon as we had the virus sequence (which was shortly after the pandemic started) we had developed the VAXCClNE within a week. We were already setup."

So the "experts" who had been in VAXCClNE research for decades did not know of the other company and/or technology that had the VAXCClNE in a week? All the medical scientists were surprised, too. Can anyone explain this?
 

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From what I understand, which isn't much to be fair, the majority of the time spent developing a VAXCClNE is in trials. Short, medium, and long term adverse effects are studied to make sure it's safe for widespread deployment.

The C0VlD "vaccines" are still in human trials for at least another year, and are only experimental.

Science was bypassed for political expediency.
 

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From what I understand, which isn't much to be fair, the majority of the time spent developing a VAXCClNE is in trials. Short, medium, and long term adverse effects are studied to make sure it's safe for widespread deployment.

The C0VlD "vaccines" are still in human trials for at least another year, and are only experimental.

Science was bypassed for political expediency.

That is why I will not be taking the VAXCClNE. They can't tell us what the long term effects will be. They won't even acknowledge other viable treatments.

I smell bullshit.
 

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That is why I will not be taking the VAXCClNE. They can't tell us what the long term effects will be. They won't even acknowledge other viable treatments.

I smell bullshit.
I am getting pressured to get one here and got a letter to get one. I feel the same way. The VAXCClNE is developed fairly quickly and reminds me of all the other "drugs" in history. A few years later, there are all kinds of lawsuits. Only with this VAXCClNE if I'm correct, no one can sue the companies. Which is basically a "red flag" to me. "We're not responsible for any side effects or what this VAXCClNE will do to your physical body, or your offspring if you're pregnant or plan on having a family."

"Everyone's getting the shot!" That's great if everyone wants to be part of the experiment. I am not a lab rat.
 

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I am getting pressured to get one here and got a letter to get one. I feel the same way. The VAXCClNE is developed fairly quickly and reminds me of all the other "drugs" in history. A few years later, there are all kinds of lawsuits. Only with this VAXCClNE if I'm correct, no one can sue the companies. Which is basically a "red flag" to me. "We're not responsible for any side effects or what this VAXCClNE will do to your physical body, or your offspring if you're pregnant or plan on having a family."

"Everyone's getting the shot!" That's great if everyone wants to be part of the experiment. I am not a lab rat.

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From what I understand, which isn't much to be fair, the majority of the time spent developing a VAXCClNE is in trials. Short, medium, and long term adverse effects are studied to make sure it's safe for widespread deployment.

The C0VlD "vaccines" are still in human trials for at least another year, and are only experimental.

Science was bypassed for political expediency.

Good points made. I passed it along to people.
My original post was not about getting the VAXCClNE or not. It was why did seasoned experts not know that a VAXCClNE had or was very close to being developed, within a week after receiving the genetic sequence (which was very early on)? Didn't they know of that technology and the company that developed it? Were they just going along with their outdated technology, wasting lots of money and time for years not knowing what else was happening in the industry? It's kind of like a major computer company has been trying for years to build a computer with technology from 1980 and didn't know what was going on with the current technology.
 

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My original post was not about getting the VAXCClNE or not. It was why did seasoned experts not know that a VAXCClNE had or was very close to being developed, within a week after receiving the genetic sequence (which was very early on)? Didn't they know of that technology and the company that developed it? Were they just going along with their outdated technology, wasting lots of money and time for years not knowing what else was happening in the industry? It's kind of like a major computer company has been trying for years to build a computer with technology from 1980 and didn't know what was going on with the current technology.
Thanks for clarifying.
 

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From what I see, "experts", especially those that are portrayed by the media are usually refer to historical data for evidence in everything.

Believe it or not there is a theory of technological advances by humankind
Refer to Moore's law and Technological Singularity.

I believe that this applies to many different industries and not just tech, look at
automobile: gas -> hybrid -> electric cars
tobacco: cigarettes -> gum -> ecig
consumerism: retail -> online

So it wouldn't surprise me that medical field wouldn't also join the fray.
The biggest issue is trust, people want to see DIRECT proof that a VAXCClNE works.
The issue is that medical practices have always been fishy throughout humankind.
Voodoo -> Liquid medicine -> Tabular pills / syringes

How can you prove if it works on humans? By testing them on humans. Monkeys aren't 100% proof.
 

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When the pandemic started I saw about 3 different VAXCClNE experts on television at different times all say about the same thing:

"I am the director of VAXCClNE research and have been studying vaccines for 40 years. Vaccines historically take an average of 10 years to develop. The quickest one was mumps at 4 years. We do not even know if we will ever have a VAXCClNE for C0VlD-19."

Then months later I saw on a reliable television program an interview of the (or a) company that developed the C0VlD-19 VAXCClNE and they said something like:

"As soon as we had the virus sequence (which was shortly after the pandemic started) we had developed the VAXCClNE within a week. We were already setup."

So the "experts" who had been in VAXCClNE research for decades did not know of the other company and/or technology that had the VAXCClNE in a week? All the medical scientists were surprised, too. Can anyone explain this?
This is quite interesting. If you are court ordering employees to get the VAXCClNE, lawyers should be having a field day with this.

I mean if they say companies who make the VAXCClNE are not liable, but your forcing employers to enforce vaccines, it's kind of a tricky situation.

Why should one Entrepreneur be liable while another Entrepreneur is not liable. Health or not, where is the accountability and justice here.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKBSxpqtelU
 

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My original post was not about getting the VAXCClNE or not. It was why did seasoned experts not know that a VAXCClNE had or was very close to being developed, within a week after receiving the genetic sequence (which was very early on)? Didn't they know of that technology and the company that developed it? Were they just going along with their outdated technology, wasting lots of money and time for years not knowing what else was happening in the industry? It's kind of like a major computer company has been trying for years to build a computer with technology from 1980 and didn't know what was going on with the current technology.

None of the opinions were incorrect.

HISTORICALLY, new VAXCClNE design, development and approval took nearly 10 years, give or take. However, if you strip it down to what computers can do and what needs to happen outside our analytical minds (in the lab and in the field), you could have most of it done in under a year. The rest is analysis (sometimes paralysis).

Usually, it's not done that quickly, because this industry is full of well intended people who are terribly risk averse and won't release/approve anything until they've tested or reviewed it a gazillion times.

Imagine not being able to use a car because a bunch of scientists and health authorities say it's too dangerous to have humans travelling at a speed of 100 mph. So they'd roll them out veeeery slowly, with reduced max speed, in small numbers, only if benefits outweighed risks.

But once we get used to the process, getting a new car is pretty quick.

Today, it really takes no time to DESIGN a VAXCClNE. That is, if you have the right people, tools, processes and know-how (e.g., viral vector technology that you've been working on in the last decades).

In fact, the first C0VlD VAXCClNE was DESIGNED in just ~2 days:


They had the tech (not just the mRNA vehicle, but also AI, complex biochemical computer models etc). They needed a specific viral DNA code to optimise for. The algorithms did the rest. What you don't hear about is how many iterations of the design were unsuccessful.

So the design was pretty quick.

What really takes time is turning a computer model into an actual safe and effective product, stable enough, tested through a series of pre-clinical and clinical studies, with all quality controlled production processes and end-to-end cold supply chain at scale in place... aaaand getting it approved by FDA or other regulatory bodies. All of this is executed almost completely in series, one after another, with lengthy downtime for reviews every step. Whoever worked with big organisations or governments knows the inertia and complexity of pushing things forward.

But... If you have a health crisis, the emergency use authorisation pathway becomes available. In that case, emergency products are prioritised for reviews for clinical trials and approvals, regulatory waiting times are reduced and several lengthy activities can be executed in parallel based on the continuously monitored outcomes of other work in progress. A very dynamic picture with lots of people constantly engaged in the process. It stops being 9-5.

I want to note that nothing of scientific, technical or clinical significance gets skipped in the emergency scenario. All pre-clinical and clinical studies need to happen. Post-launch surveillance needs to be in place. It's the bureaucratic mill that grinds faster and the risk assessments are done in the context of an emergency.

A bit convoluted?

That's why you hear so many opinions...


The question if the benefits of C0VlD vaccines outweigh C0VlD-related risks I'll leave open.
 

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I am getting pressured to get one here and got a letter to get one. I feel the same way. The VAXCClNE is developed fairly quickly and reminds me of all the other "drugs" in history. A few years later, there are all kinds of lawsuits. Only with this VAXCClNE if I'm correct, no one can sue the companies. Which is basically a "red flag" to me. "We're not responsible for any side effects or what this VAXCClNE will do to your physical body, or your offspring if you're pregnant or plan on having a family."

"Everyone's getting the shot!" That's great if everyone wants to be part of the experiment. I am not a lab rat.

In 1976, an outbreak of the swine flu, influenza A virus subtype H1N1 at Fort Dix, New Jersey caused literally just one death, hospitalized 13, and led to a mass immunization program.

President Ford overreacted, Ford was focused on 1918 pandemic and thought that it was a win-win for him to trade money for lives. He funded massive amounts into VAXCClNE which what not even needed. Health impact was also felt and it was a terrible idea and outcome.

President Trump did literally the opposite. Trump probably saw the false alarms of 1976 and to a lesser extent the 2009 H1N1 and claimed "it'll just go away".

What do the two Presidents have in common? They both didn't listen to medical experts and it cost them re-election.

History has not been kind in these situations to us regular people. And I was contemplating if getting a VAXCClNE made sense. I have friends who are waiting (much like you with many arguments that are good). I chose to get the VAXCClNE (Pfizer) in the end. This virus is real and mutating, we all have choices to make. The risk of VAXCClNE appears to be lower than the risk of the virus. Economy is starting to reopen because of vaccines. And long term, we are all dead anyway.

Sorry for hijacking the thread!
 

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None of the opinions were incorrect.

HISTORICALLY, new VAXCClNE design, development and approval took nearly 10 years, give or take. However, if you strip it down to what computers can do and what needs to happen outside our analytical minds (in the lab and in the field), you could have most of it done in under a year. The rest is analysis (sometimes paralysis).

Usually, it's not done that quickly, because this industry is full of well intended people who are terribly risk averse and won't release/approve anything until they've tested or reviewed it a gazillion times.

Imagine not being able to use a car because a bunch of scientists and health authorities say it's too dangerous to have humans travelling at a speed of 100 mph. So they'd roll them out veeeery slowly, with reduced max speed, in small numbers, only if benefits outweighed risks.

But once we get used to the process, getting a new car is pretty quick.

Today, it really takes no time to DESIGN a VAXCClNE. That is, if you have the right people, tools, processes and know-how (e.g., viral vector technology that you've been working on in the last decades).

In fact, the first C0VlD VAXCClNE was DESIGNED in just ~2 days:


They had the tech (not just the mRNA vehicle, but also AI, complex biochemical computer models etc). They needed a specific viral DNA code to optimise for. The algorithms did the rest. What you don't hear about is how many iterations of the design were unsuccessful.

So the design was pretty quick.

What really takes time is turning a computer model into an actual safe and effective product, stable enough, tested through a series of pre-clinical and clinical studies, with all quality controlled production processes and end-to-end cold supply chain at scale in place... aaaand getting it approved by FDA or other regulatory bodies. All of this is executed almost completely in series, one after another, with lengthy downtime for reviews every step. Whoever worked with big organisations or governments knows the inertia and complexity of pushing things forward.

But... If you have a health crisis, the emergency use authorisation pathway becomes available. In that case, emergency products are prioritised for reviews for clinical trials and approvals, regulatory waiting times are reduced and several lengthy activities can be executed in parallel based on the continuously monitored outcomes of other work in progress. A very dynamic picture with lots of people constantly engaged in the process. It stops being 9-5.

I want to note that nothing of scientific, technical or clinical significance gets skipped in the emergency scenario. All pre-clinical and clinical studies need to happen. Post-launch surveillance needs to be in place. It's the bureaucratic mill that grinds faster and the risk assessments are done in the context of an emergency.

A bit convoluted?

That's why you hear so many opinions...


The question if the benefits of C0VlD vaccines outweigh C0VlD-related risks I'll leave open.
Shouldn't the directors of VAXCClNE research with 40 years experience said something like "The VAXCClNE was developed within a week. Now they are going through the clinical trials to ensure safety. We don't exactly know when approval may be given but it's going to be far less than the years it took before."
 

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I don't know IF I want to defend these companies... but... they were dealing with the CDC -- which is a totally entrenched bureaucracy. The companies could only anticipate moving as fast as the supervising government agency would let them. All these companies had to go on was their past experience with the CDC. Bureaucracies have a vested interest in saying no and slowing things down. By saying yes, they must take responsibility for their decision -- which takes moral courage. -- which is not part of their job description.

The big break came in two forms:
1. Trump cut the CDC's red tape and broke the log jam. He made a faster approval possible. They couldn't get around him with all their normal excuses. He simply did accept their answers. After all, he was their big boss.

2. Vaccines usually don't make money for the company that develops them. And if they fail, it's a dead loss. Companies don't want to use their resources to develop low-margin products. Trump put the money upfront to pay for their costs whether they succeeded or not. This means that the company would make money IF they succeeded and wouldn't lose a dime if they failed. It was a no-brainer. I understand that about 5 of the owners of these companies have made 8 billion dollars collectively so far. And there's a lot more money on the table. That's why they are now trying to vaccinate everyone including kids.

FYI -- yes, I got my shots. I'm a Senior citizen with health issues.
 

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In 1976, an outbreak of the swine flu, influenza A virus subtype H1N1 at Fort Dix, New Jersey caused literally just one death, hospitalized 13, and led to a mass immunization program.

President Ford overreacted, Ford was focused on 1918 pandemic and thought that it was a win-win for him to trade money for lives. He funded massive amounts into VAXCClNE which what not even needed. Health impact was also felt and it was a terrible idea and outcome.

President Trump did literally the opposite. Trump probably saw the false alarms of 1976 and to a lesser extent the 2009 H1N1 and claimed "it'll just go away".

What do the two Presidents have in common? They both didn't listen to medical experts and it cost them re-election.

History has not been kind in these situations to us regular people. And I was contemplating if getting a VAXCClNE made sense. I have friends who are waiting (much like you with many arguments that are good). I chose to get the VAXCClNE (Pfizer) in the end. This virus is real and mutating, we all have choices to make. The risk of VAXCClNE appears to be lower than the risk of the virus. Economy is starting to reopen because of vaccines. And long term, we are all dead anyway.

Sorry for hijacking the thread!
We do indeed have choices to make. Whether I like it or not, I probably will have to if they mandate it for traveling since if I want to get on a plane to go back to the U.S. it will be an interesting experience. :(

I could not see the point in sitting in plane in 2020 for 12 hours. Especially with people getting in fights.

There's a lot of mixed messages over here in Europe right now about vaccines. Since they did take the one off the market, because people my age were having a bad reaction.


I would probably would feel better about it in my own home state of Michigan where Pifzer, is created and distributed. When your overseas and not familiar with their medical system or the companies that make medicine it makes you a bit nervous.

I have been lucky for the most part I haven't had any real medical issues overseas. I do know they are not quite as thorough as the U.S. Medical System. I'm experiencing the system the U.S. had been debating about here. I suppose both have their pro's an con's in the situation.

I can understand if you're an Entrepreneur you have to run your business. It just is necessary and survival.

I know one lady in Michigan really got hammered for trying to stay open by the court system. Naturally, legally they have to comply with mandated orders. As a former nurse aide, I understand I was mandated to take certain vaccines for my own protection in the past. This is probably why I question the fast production of this VAXCClNE.

This did not inspire me when I seen this nurse.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0g-RYlyYOA


I'm not against people having vaccines or being healthy. It's more of a matter of how much research, analytics, data, and the side effects every age group is experiencing. Is it safe and what is the long-term side effects for even women and children.

I believe it's even a huge debate between Medical Communities, since usually when we treat clients it's a matter of standing up to the code of ethics. The Hippocratic Oath. If we're all meant to do no harm as in the Medical Communities those Medical Staff need to advocate and speak up what they are seeing behind the scenes.

Fortunately, I've been quite disappointed in what I have seen in 2020 where in many countries you seen physicians against government in protests. You have seen Medical Staff walking out on the elderly. We're seeing Medical Staff walking off the job. Medical Staff "Helpless" in the sense of stress, anxiety, depression, suicide, and I can empathize with them because your facing something you cannot control as it mutates.

In the U.K. they are concerned right now, where the Netherlands is saying, we don't have anything to worry about. The U.K. and Dutch do interact with one another in business and move between the two countries. People are more focused on going on vacation here, because it is just in their conditioning to travel. You have younger generations pretending their having symptoms and getting the shots so they can go on vacation.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYGrlbhnaV0


Communication is key here. I believe we all have to make the choice. My wish is everyone have a healthy life and positive outcome regardless of the choice we must make as individuals.
 

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Shouldn't the directors of VAXCClNE research with 40 years experience said something like "The VAXCClNE was developed within a week. Now they are going through the clinical trials to ensure safety. We don't exactly know when approval may be given but it's going to be far less than the years it took before."
I don't know what was said, who said it, in response to what etc. so I can't answer that.

Also, the VAXCClNE wasn't DEVELOPED in a week. It was DESIGNED quickly, but the development wasn't completed then.


There's a lot of mixed messages over here in Europe right now about vaccines. Since they did take the one off the market, because people my age were having a bad reaction.
Temporarily suspending injections is not the same as taking the product off the market. It means they've noticed unacceptable side effects and don't want to expose people to unnecessary risks until this is reviewed in more detail. Part of the surveillance process that is not skipped, emergency or not.

You have younger generations pretending their having symptoms and getting the shots so they can go on vacation.
You say that as a former nurse? If you have symptoms, you don't get a VAXCClNE.
 

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I don't know what was said, who said it, in response to what etc. so I can't answer that.

Also, the VAXCClNE wasn't DEVELOPED in a week. It was DESIGNED quickly, but the development wasn't completed then.



Temporarily suspending injections is not the same as taking the product off the market. It means they've noticed unacceptable side effects and don't want to expose people to unnecessary risks until this is reviewed in more detail. Part of the surveillance process that is not skipped, emergency or not.


You say that as a former nurse? If you have symptoms, you don't get a VAXCClNE.
I am not in the Medical field at this time. I have no clue what their protocol is in 2021 with C0VlD-19 since I'm not active. I don't tell people to not get the VAXCClNE nor do I tell them to get the VAXCClNE.

I am not liable for people's medical choices. If I'm not in the middle of it in the Medical field and see for myself what is happening, I can't answer that question for you.

Fortunately, there are many medical staff who will follow the herd, keep quiet afraid to lose their jobs, their survival, and cover up the truth. I've seen this done plenty of times.

I was the whistle blower a few times. As I stated, those Medical Staff need to speak out and speak the truth what is happening behind the scenes. It is important since like any medication every individual will have a different reaction to the VAXCClNE. It is serious stuff we're talk ing about here, as if you are paralyzed from the neck down after the 2nd shot of VAXCClNE, is that a nice experience?

I'm just saying people need to be smart and report their side effects and communicate effectively.

If you have teenagers having issues. If it's your daughter or son, this is their future, their physical life, and how this VAXCClNE has a cause and effect on the outcome of their quality of life is important. No one wants to be in a nursing home all their lives and have someone like me in the past that does everything for them.

With any Medication it's just responsibility to make sure it safe for the masses before distribution.

I'm quite aware with any Medication there are lab rats. Fortunately, those individuals go through a legal process to participate in clinical trials. The masses should not be the victims of those who are in charge of the situation in every country.

This is life or death. You don't get a 2nd chance to correct your errors, nor can you replace your life, your family, your friends, your co-workers, or your fellow Entrepreneurs.

Especially the Entrepreneurs lives are important because they are the one's who fund medical research and help save lives.

It is probably one of the most difficult times for everyone involved behind the scenes on every level since it's not just about distributing a medication and making money. It's about "Survival" of Humanity. The "Whole Group" and the "Whole Community".

If you've taken Medical Courses like I have, you understand there are always side effects. Fortunately, some side effects do a lot more damage then other side effects depending on the chemistry of each individual.

It's not even been a year yet, to understand the outcome of these vaccines. We're only in the month of June. In December, we can take the data from 2021 and see what is happening on the bigger scale.

2022 we will see more research and evidence of what is working and not working. Until then people just have to hope everything will turn out for the best with whatever choice they decide to make for themselves.
 

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Just so you know, fearmongering and hysteria are in our DNA. ;)

Our brains are wired for negativity bias to keep us alert. So we notice and respond to negativity and potential risks much stronger than upside opportunities. Ask on an entrepreneur forum. ;)


Same with C0VlD, same with vaccines, same as it's always been...
 

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I am not in the Medical field at this time. I have no clue what their protocol is in 2021 with C0VlD-19 since I'm not active. I don't tell people to not get the VAXCClNE nor do I tell them to get the VAXCClNE.

I am not liable for people's medical choices. If I'm not in the middle of it in the Medical field and see for myself what is happening, I can't answer that question for you.

Fortunately, there are many medical staff who will follow the herd, keep quiet afraid to lose their jobs, their survival, and cover up the truth. I've seen this done plenty of times.

I was the whistle blower a few times. As I stated, those Medical Staff need to speak out and speak the truth what is happening behind the scenes. It is important since like any medication every individual will have a different reaction to the VAXCClNE. It is serious stuff we're talk ing about here, as if you are paralyzed from the neck down after the 2nd shot of VAXCClNE, is that a nice experience?

I'm just saying people need to be smart and report their side effects and communicate effectively.

If you have teenagers having issues. If it's your daughter or son, this is their future, their physical life, and how this VAXCClNE has a cause and effect on the outcome of their quality of life is important. No one wants to be in a nursing home all their lives and have someone like me in the past that does everything for them.

With any Medication it's just responsibility to make sure it safe for the masses before distribution.

I'm quite aware with any Medication there are lab rats. Fortunately, those individuals go through a legal process to participate in clinical trials. The masses should not be the victims of those who are in charge of the situation in every country.

This is life or death. You don't get a 2nd chance to correct your errors, nor can you replace your life, your family, your friends, your co-workers, or your fellow Entrepreneurs.

Especially the Entrepreneurs lives are important because they are the one's who fund medical research and help save lives.

It is probably one of the most difficult times for everyone involved behind the scenes on every level since it's not just about distributing a medication and making money. It's about "Survival" of Humanity. The "Whole Group" and the "Whole Community".

If you've taken Medical Courses like I have, you understand there are always side effects. Fortunately, some side effects do a lot more damage then other side effects depending on the chemistry of each individual.

It's not even been a year yet, to understand the outcome of these vaccines. We're only in the month of June. In December, we can take the data from 2021 and see what is happening on the bigger scale.

2022 we will see more research and evidence of what is working and not working. Until then people just have to hope everything will turn out for

Just so you know, fearmongering and hysteria are in our DNA. ;)

Our brains are wired for negativity bias to keep us alert. So we notice and respond to negativity and potential risks much stronger than upside opportunities. Ask on an entrepreneur forum. ;)


Same with C0VlD, same with vaccines, same as it's always been...


Nothing about fear. I come from the roots of the Ancient Nomadic Slavic Tribes. One of their strategies of war was hanging out under the water and rising with their bow and arrows at the right time. If they rose out of the water too fast they would have been dead.

Timing is everything. Too fast or too late can both have consequences. I think for myself it's more about when to move and not to move.
 

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Nothing about fear.
Oh, I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to us as a society; to what prevails in MSM, social media and politics. If fear sells, we'll keep optimising on the negativity bias. To sell clicks; to blame other parties for not doing enough; to create demand.

Just like in the mas hysteria link I posted above: "Once some people develop a hysteria, it can easily spread to other people because fear and anxiety are contagious."

I come from the roots of the Ancient Nomadic Slavic Tribes. One of their strategies of war was hanging out under the water and rising with their bow and arrows at the right time. If they rose out of the water too fast they would have been dead.
I like that!
 

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Oh, I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to us as a society; to what prevails in MSM, social media and politics. If fear sells, we'll keep optimising on the negativity bias. To sell clicks; to blame other parties for not doing enough; to create demand.

Just like in the mas hysteria link I posted above: "Once some people develop a hysteria, it can easily spread to other people because fear and anxiety are contagious."


I like that!
This whole situation in 2020-2021 reminds me of Phil Zimbardo's teachings on human nature and Good & Evil or Hero's & Villains. And what you believe on whatever side makes you the enemy and believe your the Hero.

Which there's so many social groups out there projecting their beliefs on the other. "Fear" is there worse enemy inside themselves. I had fun last year in 2020 in the political groups and they got mad at me, because they didn't want to think about it.

One leader banned me from his page. Fortunately, he was banned from the social media sites repeatedly on many platforms. It was kind of poetic. Silence me, other's silence you. He got hit hard with his business, house, and reputation. I didn't get any damage. :rofl:

All I did was point out people didn't need to fight, war, and participate in violence. The INFJ. Some one has to play the part of the peacemaker. I'm a revolutionist.

I just decided to watch the idiots last year and how the mob mentality works offline. I know how it works online, but that's new territory offline when dealing with the masses.

A whole different ball game in the physical. I am thinking about learning about Human Rights Officer for the U.N., but that would mean I'd have to do a whole lot more work in learning about cultures and laws. Something to ponder anyway.
 

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I don't know what was said, who said it, in response to what etc. so I can't answer that.

Also, the VAXCClNE wasn't DEVELOPED in a week. It was DESIGNED quickly, but the development wasn't completed then.



Temporarily suspending injections is not the same as taking the product off the market. It means they've noticed unacceptable side effects and don't want to expose people to unnecessary risks until this is reviewed in more detail. Part of the surveillance process that is not skipped, emergency or not.


You say that as a former nurse? If you have symptoms, you don't get a VAXCClNE.
The company I believe said something like "We had the VAXCClNE developed within a week after we knew the sequence." It's the human trials that then took several months.
 

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No. It was very clear: They developed the VAXCClNE in a week. Why the other experts and top medical doctors did not know, before and after, is a mystery and no one is taking about it.
This is what happens when you rely on quick snippets from the "objective" media.

How much time have you spent reading the links I've provided?

I really don't know what to add. You've haven't cited anyone specific. I don't know what you're after and what your underlying motive is. If you want to demonstrate that the pandemic has been mishandled, >90% of people have been confused/anxious/suspicious and <10% have benefited from it - you're right.
 

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Oh, I wasn't talking about you. I was referring to us as a society; to what prevails in MSM, social media and politics. If fear sells, we'll keep optimising on the negativity bias. To sell clicks; to blame other parties for not doing enough; to create demand.

Just like in the mas hysteria link I posted above: "Once some people develop a hysteria, it can easily spread to other people because fear and anxiety are contagious."


gfgdI like that!Y

No. It was very clear: They developed the VAXCClNE in a week. Why the other experts and top medical doctors did not know, before and after, is a mystery and no one is taking about it.

Your post has a few landmines in it, which can go off in directions which in my view would not be healthy. That is the conspiracy pathway.

But the other side of the coin is that its good to question and critically think the shit around you.

My understanding is that virus's have characteristics and behaviours which can be grouped into families. Its the same way we classify different plant species.

The Corona virus is part of a family Coronaviridae and related to RNA viruses.

We have had other Corona virus's before, such as SARS and they possess the same cell structure and method of infection.

I think the reason the VAXCClNE was developed so early was due to the fact that an extensive amount of research and tests have been done with this family of virus's beforehand.

That be said, I do think that there could be issues with using the VAXCClNE, but I think the risk of Covid19 spreading and going on a killing spree far outweighs any potential risk of using the virus.

Just my 2 cents



 

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Your post has a few landmines in it, which can go off in directions which in my view would not be healthy. That is the conspiracy pathway.

But the other side of the coin is that its good to question and critically think the shit around you.

My understanding is that virus's have characteristics and behaviours which can be grouped into families. Its the same way we classify different plant species.

The Corona virus is part of a family Coronaviridae and related to RNA viruses.

We have had other Corona virus's before, such as SARS and they possess the same cell structure and method of infection.

I think the reason the VAXCClNE was developed so early was due to the fact that an extensive amount of research and tests have been done with this family of virus's beforehand.

That be said, I do think that there could be issues with using the VAXCClNE, but I think the risk of Covid19 spreading and going on a killing spree far outweighs any potential risk of using the virus.

Just my 2 cents
It has nothing to do with conspiracy. It only has to do with the fact that numerous seasoned top experts in VAXCClNE development, a vitally important medical field of study, did not know the current state of the technology? One that solved a vital problem, like C0VlD-19, within a week when the "experts" said it could take years or possible never!
 

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It has nothing to do with conspiracy. It only has to do with the fact that numerous seasoned top experts in VAXCClNE development, a vitally important medical field of study, did not know the current state of the technology? One that solved a vital problem, like C0VlD-19, within a week when the "experts" said it could take years or possible never!
Think about it. Our ability to solve problems is growing exponentially because of computer sciences. Too bad that we can't apply that knowledge to other issues in the human experience -- like getting along with others...
 

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