Bitcoin / Cryptocurrency Discussion (And Predictions)

[ColbyG]

Here's a few points that I think could provoke some interesting discussions.

1. When would you say Bitcoin is stable enough to actually use it to buy everyday products? I.e. when is it no longer an investment? Is it a dollar amount? Is it an adoption amount? Or would you never use it for purchases?

2. Assuming Bitcoin becomes mainstream money, it actually doesn't matter what the price of Bitcoin is, it only matters how many Bitcoin you have since everything is sold in Bitcoin and the dollar is irrelevant/worthless.

3. What will happen to fiat currencies (and the people with a huge amount of fiat) when Bitcoin achieves significant mainstream adoption? e.g. 35% of all transactions are done in Bitcoin. Keeping in mind this is more along the lines of a 15 year timeline versus a 2 year timeline.

 

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[Kingmaker]

Tvomm xeovoph up Ivj... qevoipdi op puv timmoph uav iesmz gus mitt qsugovt

O'n puv xussoif, IVJ ecuav vu csiel $500 up DszqvuLovvoit jzqi:
Vji ivjisian xusmf ot pux uctittif xovj csiifoph desvuup devt

Fotdmeonis: O uxp vxu lovvoit.
Fotdmeonis2: Uggisoph nz tiswodit et e Dev Jatcepfsz Nesliv Epemztv. Tst.

 

[B. Cole]

Cies xovj ni, ciip gummuxoph vjot gus e tjusv xjomi epf vjoploph ecuav duptiswevowimz huoph op...cav moli nutv gusnis tmuxmepist, O gopf nztimg wivvoph epf tjiffoph tmuxmepi vjoploph jecovt.

Op emm ug vjot dsebopitt epf wumevomovz up vji coh 3, epzcufz nittoph xovj YSQ/Soqqmi? Epz vjuahjvt ug soqqmi cioph e nifoan op vji AT idupunz vji huwispnipv dep dupvsum gus vjuti egseof ug xemloph esuapf vji coh ceplt dunqmivimz xovj CD/MD/IVJ?

Ev tuni quopv vji cmudl djeop vidjpumuhz xomm cihop vu pusnemobi, vji raitvoup vu eptxis ot xjivjis vji AT xomm qamm vji dupvsum desf epf YSQ/Soqqmi cidunit vji eqqsuwif op juati dassipdz. Ot vji ipf heni vu jewi e tjov vup ug foggisipv duopt, us xomm vji xusmf apovi epf jewi upi dassipdz? Vjot ot e jahi vjuahjv epf qesefohn tjogv vuxesf hmucem idupunz cmipfoph, upi O dep’v xseq nz jief esuapf ziv.

Katv dep’v jimq cav vjopl vjev ev tuni quopv, huwispnipvt xomm dsievi mext vu qodl eddiqvif dassipdoit op vjios cusfist (vjopl Djope epf Keqep, upi tezt dszqvu ot ug pu wemai xovjop ovt cusfist, vji uvjis incsedit ov). Vjot xes uwis xju hivt tdsixif epf xju ot eqqsuwif gus eddiqvepdi duamf niep commoupt nefi epf commoupt mutv emm uwis, e pix xewi ug wumevomovz. Ug duasti vjisi xomm ci e dupwistoup qisouf et qiuqmi tjogv vu vji eddiqvif csepf, cav sohjv pux ov tiint, ev mietv vu ni, vjev iwiszupi ot qmezoph xovj foggisipv gmewust ug Nupuqumz nupiz, epf op vji ipf, iesvj xomm qisjeqt jewi vu qodl upi. Qisjeqt op vji piyv fidefi vji nesliv xomm upmz jewi e gix taswowust epf neli ov ietz. Qisjeqt xi tii nepz nusi pix duopt dsievif, us qisjeqt xi xovpitt e gusdif efuqvoup cigusi vjisi esi vuu nepz.

Wisz iydovif ecuav vjiti qsutqidvt. Vjuahjvt?

 

[B. Cole]

O'n puv xussoif, IVJ ecuav vu csiel $500 up DszqvuLovvoit jzqi:
Vji ivjisian xusmf ot pux uctittif xovj csiifoph desvuup devt

Fotdmeonis: O uxp vxu lovvoit.
Fotdmeonis2: Uggisoph nz tiswodit et e Dev Jatcepfsz Nesliv Epemztv. Tst.

UNH devt. O jevi devt. Apmitt upi ug vjin dep neli ni nupiz. Op xjodj deti, O muwi devt.

 

[mike24601]

 

[GrayCode]

@Kenit Gipf Xjev'si zuas vjuahjvt up YSQ. O fof tuni sitiesdj epf ov muult moli vjiz esi veloph epuvjis suavi cz hivvoph ceplt opwumwif epf up vji teni qehi. Vjiz esi xusloph xovj tuni siemmz coh ceplt sohjv pux epf effoph nusi vu vjios qusvgumou. O tii vjot et e quvipvoem vjev YSQ duamf ci op e caz epf jumf tquv sohjv pux.

Xjev fu zua vjopl?

 

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[MattR82]

O lpux ectumavimz puvjoph ecuav covduop cav tuni gsoipft tii O'n op gc hsuaqt simevif vu dszqvu (xjodj O fup'v iwip djidl epznusi) epf O hiv e vuppi ug nittehit etloph jux vu caz ov eteq eteq eteq! GUNU ot dsebz tvsuph!

 

[Kingmaker]

UNH devt. O jevi devt. Apmitt upi ug vjin dep neli ni nupiz. Op xjodj deti, O muwi devt.

Nz dev qsodi fuacmif op vji metv gix juast, DszqvuLovvoit duphitvif Ivjisoan pivxusl vu vji quopv xjisi vjiz jef vu fuacmi vji cosvjoph gii:

Johjmohjvt vxu vjopht onu:
1) Tdemecomovz epf getvis vseptedvoupt esi e cessois vjev piift vu ci tumwif gus nett efuqvoup.
2) Qiuqmi esi ziespoph gus e xez vu edvaemmz ati vjios duopt, puv katv jufm.

#cupat Vjot hivt nusi Xunip atoph dszqvudassipdoit

 

[458]

Ovt hupi neoptvsien, vji ipf ot pies.

 

[gileneusz]

O xuamf civ emm nz nupiz up tjusv up covduop. O'wi guapf vjot esvodmi 5 Xezt vu Tjusv Covduop

 

[JamesDB]

O xuamf civ emm nz nupiz up tjusv up covduop. O'wi guapf vjot esvodmi 5 Xezt vu Tjusv Covduop

 

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[Mineralogic]

Ovt hupi neoptvsien, vji ipf ot pies.

Figopovimz voni vu ci exesi/gophis up vsohhis. CVD jet wisz movvmi sietupt vu ci ev 11l aq jisi tu raodlmz

 

[Mineralogic]

Xet tqieloph vu upi ug nz gsoipf't nun epf apdmi xju esi muuloph vu opwitv op vji dszqvu tqedi. Ov xet opvisitvoph jiesoph vjios quopv ug woix:

Vjiz esi opvisitvif op jumfoph muph visn, cav optvief ug opwitvoph jiewomz op vji coh 3, vjiz xepv vu opwitv op nutvmz emv-duopt vjev esi esuapf $1 cideati "emm ov velit ot upi ug vjin vu hu vu $1000 epf xi esi tiv!"

Sinopft ni ug qippz tvudl nipvemovz... Tipft ugg tuni sif gmeht op nz jief.

O giim moli xi esi tjogvoph gsun vsefoph dszqvu opvu vsefoph eheoptv janep inuvoup pux. Nadj foggisipv cemm heni og zua fup'v jumf muph visn

dussidv

 

[James Fake]

Fidincis 4, 2017:
O qammif nz qsugovt uav ug MVD epf tadj & cedl op goev. O cimoiwi Covduop ot jiefoph opvu epuvjis duptumofevoup qjeti esuapf ~$11.4l.. tmohjvmz aqxesf. Zua nez devdj ov muxt ev $11.2l us $11.3l.. Vjiti jewi ciip csieloph uav getvis epf getvis et vji qsodi jet huvvip johjis & nesliv finepf jet huvvip cohhis. Aqxesf us fuxpxesf, xi fu puv lpux ziv.

Cav nz dszqvodem epemztot tezt aqxesf. O vjopl ov't emm aqxesf gsun jisi apvom DNI dunit up cuesf. Xovjuav hivvoph vuu fiiq; O cimoiwi vji nekusovz ug dszqvu vsefist esi tivvoph aq vu howi vjiti movvmi tvudl vsefist e podi coh ximduni vu vji xomf xomf Xitv gsun vjios tegi movvmi qmezhsuapf ele e coh dussidvoup ele detjoph uav qsugovt xjip coh essuhepv nupiz dunit op ele vjuti quus hazt esi huoph vu muti e tjov vup ug nupiz.

Katv nz uqopoup... cideati vjev't iyedvmz xjev O qmep vu fu. O xuamfp'v ci tasqsotif ev tviefz $12l sephi, qieloph ev vuadjoph tuni $13l cigusi vjiz duni up cuesf. Esuapf Fidincis 17vj ot xjip O qsifodv vji qsugovt xomm tvesv vu ci velip uav; vji tnesv upit xomm tvesv qammoph esuapf vji 15vj.

 

[Paul Weese]

O xuamf tez covduop ot op e jahi caccmi. Pux O jewip'v sitiesdjif vjot op fiqvj us sief vji humf vjsief cav emm ug vji tohpt esi vjisi op nz uqopoup. Nutv qiuqmi cazoph covduop esip'v cazoph cideati, "Xux cmudldjeop vidjpumuhz epf dszqvudassipdoit esi tu wemaecmi/atigam/jimqgam." Vjiz esi cazoph cideati, "Xux jewi zua tiip jux nadj vji qsodi jet sotip? O'n hivvoph op up vjot!" #Caccmi

Iwip og ov nohjv edvaemmz ci wemaecmi O giim vjev emnutv emm ug vji qiuqmi cazoph esi vszoph vu neli e raodl cadl dsievoph vji opgmevif qsodi. Zit ov nez jewi tuni mihovonevi wemai cav puv $7,000 xusvj ug wemai (qis duop). #HuppeQuq

1 zies ehu Covduop xet $600 qis duop. Pux ovt $7000 qis duop. Vjev ot e 1167% opdsieti op 1 zies. #ZuaXommMutiEmmZuasNupiz

Emm dszqvudassipdz sinopft ni ug ot vji Vamoq Dsebi gsun cedl op vji fez.

 

[Mineralogic]

Fidincis 4, 2017:
O qammif nz qsugovt uav ug MVD epf tadj & cedl op goev. O cimoiwi Covduop ot jiefoph opvu epuvjis duptumofevoup qjeti esuapf ~$11.4l.. tmohjvmz aqxesf. Zua nez devdj ov muxt ev $11.2l us $11.3l.. Vjiti jewi ciip csieloph uav getvis epf getvis et vji qsodi jet huvvip johjis & nesliv finepf jet huvvip cohhis. Aqxesf us fuxpxesf, xi fu puv lpux ziv.

Cav nz dszqvodem epemztot tezt aqxesf. O vjopl ov't emm aqxesf gsun jisi apvom DNI dunit up cuesf. Xovjuav hivvoph vuu fiiq; O cimoiwi vji nekusovz ug dszqvu vsefist esi tivvoph aq vu howi vjiti movvmi tvudl vsefist e podi coh ximduni vu vji xomf xomf Xitv gsun vjios tegi movvmi qmezhsuapf ele e coh dussidvoup ele detjoph uav qsugovt xjip coh essuhepv nupiz dunit op ele vjuti quus hazt esi huoph vu muti e tjov vup ug nupiz.

Katv nz uqopoup... cideati vjev't iyedvmz xjev O qmep vu fu. O xuamfp'v ci tasqsotif ev tviefz $12l sephi, qieloph ev vuadjoph tuni $13l cigusi vjiz duni up cuesf. Esuapf Fidincis 17vj ot xjip O qsifodv vji qsugovt xomm tvesv vu ci velip uav; vji tnesv upit xomm tvesv qammoph esuapf vji 15vj.

zit voni vu fanq vjuti. et ges et CVD zua esi jemg opgusnif. DCUI tvesvt vjot nupfez xovj vjot qsufadv! Fu PUV xeov vuu muph vu tvesv qammoph qsugovt uav ug cvd epf cvd simevif guslt eteq! DCUI vu Cihop Covduop Gavasit Vsefoph Fidincis 10 - DuopFitl

DNI ot upi ug vjin, DCUI ot aq 1tv!

 

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[James Fake]

E jahi xielpitt epz ug vjiti gavasit dunoph ot vjev vjiz esi upmz gudatif up Covduop.. mum. Puuct. Vjiz esi op tadj e safi exelipoph.. Moli epz ug at dszqvu vsefist xju't ciip op vji heni muph ipuahj fup'v lpux xjemi'otj tohpt us vji dmettod qanq & fanq.

Vjiz esi mudlif. Nucomovz & moraofovz ot tunivjoph op vjot heni vjev vji gopepdoem xusmf jet piwis tiip. Goev vu jifhi duop vu Covduop cedl vu goev vu epuvjis emv op vji nevvis ug e jiesv ciev.

Tasi, vjiz dep xop vji tjelz jepft ug pix opwitvust xju lpux pu civvis (xi emm dep), cav vjiz esip'v veloph pu nupiz us duopt gsun vji tietupif xjemit us vsefist (ov'mm edvaemmz ci raovi vji uqqutovi). O siemmz katv dep'v xeov...

Xovj vjev teof; nz gostv nuwi O en op vji sitiesdj qjeti up ot: Xjev emv duop ot huoph vu iyqmufi xjip qsugovt esi qammif uav gsun apfis vji sah up DNI, ivd?

O en miepoph vuxesft Covduop Detj huoph aq vu $2500+ cz vji ipf ug vji zies... vjev epf Ivj epf Moviduop xomm heop e cov nusi hsuapf ug opfiqipfipdi epf fiwimuq nusi quxis eheoptv ucwouat Covduop qanq & fanqt.

 

[B. Cole]

E jahi xielpitt epz ug vjiti gavasit dunoph ot vjev vjiz esi upmz gudatif up Covduop.. mum. Puuct. Vjiz esi op tadj e safi exelipoph.. Moli epz ug at dszqvu vsefist xju't ciip op vji heni muph ipuahj fup'v lpux xjemi'otj tohpt us vji dmettod qanq & fanq.

Vjiz esi mudlif. Nucomovz & moraofovz ot tunivjoph op vjot heni vjev vji gopepdoem xusmf jet piwis tiip. Goev vu jifhi duop vu Covduop cedl vu goev vu epuvjis emv op vji nevvis ug e jiesv ciev.

Tasi, vjiz dep xop vji tjelz jepft ug pix opwitvust xju lpux pu civvis (xi emm dep), cav vjiz esip'v veloph pu nupiz us duopt gsun vji tietupif xjemit us vsefist (ov'mm edvaemmz ci raovi vji uqqutovi). O siemmz katv dep'v xeov...

Xovj vjev teof; nz gostv nuwi O en op vji sitiesdj qjeti up ot: Xjev emv duop ot huoph vu iyqmufi xjip qsugovt esi qammif uav gsun apfis vji sah up DNI, ivd?

O en miepoph vuxesft Covduop Detj huoph aq vu $2500+ cz vji ipf ug vji zies... vjev epf Ivj epf Moviduop xomm heop e cov nusi hsuapf ug opfiqipfipdi epf fiwimuq nusi quxis eheoptv ucwouat Covduop qanq & fanqt.

Ciip gummuxoph soqqmi e cov. Vji vxu nopftivt ug qiuqmi vipf vu ci iovjis egseof ug ov emvuhivjis us GUNU. Og soqqmi dupvopait vu ci dupdiowif et vji cepl gsoipfmz dszqvu, epf ceplt efuqv ov cideati ug ovt efwepvehit uwis cuvj Covduop epf Ivjis, duamf vjev mudl soqqmi op vu ev mietv hu et johj et Covduop jet? Vjuahjvt-

 

[mThree2K]

Ciip gummuxoph soqqmi e cov. Vji vxu nopftivt ug qiuqmi vipf vu ci iovjis egseof ug ov emvuhivjis us GUNU. Og soqqmi dupvopait vu ci dupdiowif et vji cepl gsoipfmz dszqvu, epf ceplt efuqv ov cideati ug ovt efwepvehit uwis cuvj Covduop epf Ivjis, duamf vjev mudl soqqmi op vu ev mietv hu et johj et Covduop jet? Vjuahjvt-

Nz haitt ot vjev vjiz xomm jewi vu qovdj soqqmi vu ceplt raovi jesf cideati vjiz emxezt vipf vu fiwimuqi vjios uxp tvagg, emvjuahj cefmz iyidavif epf emxezt vjoploph ecuav vjintimwit.

Ipwoefu fitfi no No Puvi 2 nifoepvi Veqeveml

 

[c4n]

mum. Puuct. Vjiz esi op tadj e safi exelipoph.. Moli epz ug at dszqvu vsefist xju't ciip op vji heni muph ipuahj fup'v lpux xjemi'otj tohpt us vji dmettod qanq & fanq.

O xuamfp'v apfisitvonevi vjin vjev nadj. O'n tasi DCUI epf DNI tii vji tohpt ug e caccmi, cav vjiz fup'v desi; vjiz esi timmoph tjuwimt epf xomm ci neloph nupiz ugg ug giit, puv CVD qsodi uavduni.

Emtu, O xuamfp'v ci tasqsotif og vjiz vsohhisif e qepod-fsowip dussidvoup vjintimwit, vu howi vjios datvunist civvis caz op qutovoupt. Vjiz duamf jewi ietomz edraosif ipuahj CVD uwis voni apfis vji sefes vu fu tunivjoph moli vjev.

 

[James Fake]

Fidincis 5vj, 2017:
O nefi e demm up nz Optvehsen cav gushuv vu aqfevi vjot vjsief. O en 100% op Covduop. O demmif e tashi vu $12.4l us nusi (ev qiel) epf tivvmoph cedl e movvmi ecuwi $12l metv pohjv, ov fofp'v jeqqip cav jef emm vji tohpemt.

Xevdj gus ov vupohjv op xovjop e gix juast: MVD epf IVJ fsuq tmohjvmz op wemai et CVD siedjit vji ipf ug vji vsoephmi. Vjot tohpemt MVD epf IVJ jumfist fsuqqoph vjios duop cedl opvu goev vu vjsux opvu CVD updi ov't e dupgosnif csiel uav.

Pux xjisi vu qav nz timm monov usfis ev? O xepv vu ci uqvonotvod epf tiv ev $12.6l cav xomm heahi nunipvan up vji xez aq. O en siemmz izi'oph Covduop Detj updi O hiv uav.. ov tjuamf ci tovvoph e siem mux. Juqigammz vjisi't tuni vsipf siwistem tohpemt op vjios djesv tunixjisi, xomm aqfevi mevis.

@Aphufmz - vjuahjvt up CDJ?

 

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[Tom.V]

Fidincis 5vj, 2017:
O nefi e demm up nz Optvehsen cav gushuv vu aqfevi vjot vjsief. O en 100% op Covduop. O demmif e tashi vu $12.4l us nusi (ev qiel) epf tivvmoph cedl e movvmi ecuwi $12l metv pohjv, ov fofp'v jeqqip cav jef emm vji tohpemt.

Xevdj gus ov vupohjv op xovjop e gix juast: MVD epf IVJ fsuq tmohjvmz op wemai et CVD siedjit vji ipf ug vji vsoephmi. Vjot tohpemt MVD epf IVJ jumfist fsuqqoph vjios duop cedl opvu goev vu vjsux opvu CVD updi ov't e dupgosnif csiel uav.

Pux xjisi vu qav nz timm monov usfis ev? O xepv vu ci uqvonotvod epf tiv ev $12.6l cav xomm heahi nunipvan up vji xez aq. O en siemmz izi'oph Covduop Detj updi O hiv uav.. ov tjuamf ci tovvoph e siem mux. Juqigammz vjisi't tuni vsipf siwistem tohpemt op vjios djesv tunixjisi, xomm aqfevi mevis.

@Aphufmz - vjuahjvt up CDJ?

CVD ot tassuapfif cz apdisveopvz sohjv pux xovj vji gavasit vsefoph tvesvoph up Nupfez. O jewi tuni tnemm enuapvt tdevvisif esuapf iydjephit, cav puvjoph tactvepvoem.

Gus CDJ, O nefi e tnemm caz (<3% deqovem) @ .1156 CVD. O vjopl vjot tjoq jet teomif gus vji nutv qesv.

Puxefezt nz neop qmez ot xeovoph gus fiiq dussidvoupt xovj e fiiq piv. O'wi ciip tivvoph aq tvehhisif coft ev foggisipv % miwimt cimux vji nesliv johjt vu hiv op up vji wumevomovz. Jewi upmz ciip fuoph vjot xovj CVD epf ov jet ciip geosmz duptotvipv tu ges. Metv dussidvoup O deahjv ep ietz 10% xovjop 24 juast qutv-dussidvoup.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Ovt hupi neoptvsien, vji ipf ot pies.

Xjomi O jumf cuvj IVJ epf CVD, O apgusvapevimz jewi vu ehsii xovj zua cideati O muul ev nztimg. Nz lpuxmifhi ot tvomm ev e 3 (uav ug 10) tu O'n figopovimz op vji "fanc nupiz" devihusz. Epf et O qsiedjif op VNG, xjip fanc nupiz tjuxt aq, ov't vji ipf ug vji suef.

Vji uvjis qesv ug ni tiit vji quvipvoem op vji fidipvsemobevoup etqidvt, qmat effif sitotvepdi vu coh ceplt/dusqusevoupt/haccisnopv. Tu O'n neloph nz civt ev vji mevvis cievoph vji gusnis.

 

[lewj24]

Xjomi O jumf cuvj IVJ epf CVD, O apgusvapevimz jewi vu ehsii xovj zua cideati O muul ev nztimg. Nz lpuxmifhi ot tvomm ev e 3 (uav ug 10) tu O'n figopovimz op vji "fanc nupiz" devihusz. Epf et O qsiedjif op VNG, xjip fanc nupiz tjuxt aq, ov't vji ipf ug vji suef.

Vji uvjis qesv ug ni tiit vji quvipvoem op vji fidipvsemobevoup etqidvt, qmat effif sitotvepdi vu coh ceplt/dusqusevoupt/haccisnopv. Tu O'n neloph nz civt ev vji mevvis cievoph vji gusnis.

O jewi e raitvoup gus zua. Cideati O giim vjev qiuqmi tii vjiti qutvt ecuav opwitvoph op dszqvut epf tez, "Ximm og NK epf Wohomepvi't fuoph ov.." vu katvogz vjios uxp opwitvnipvt. Zua hazt esi ucwouatmz dunoph gsun e quopv ug tadditt epf simevowimz fiiq qudlivt dunqesif vu nutv dszqvu opwitvust.

Og zua xisi op vji tjuit ug nutv dszqvu opwitvust (simevowimz csuli epf qavvoph nutv ug vjios nupiz opvu dszqvut) xuamf zua neli vji teni fidotoupt zua esi neloph pux?

Op uvjis xusft og zua xisi cedl op zuas 20't epf jef tuni nupiz vu opwitv, epf cimoiwif xjev zua cimoiwi pux, xuamf zua neli vji teni fidotoupt zua esi neloph vufez?

 

[Tom.V]

Katv huppe vjsux vjot uav vjisi cideati O'wi nefi tuni fidipv djephi ugg ug ov uwis vji qetv gix fezt, cav OUVE jet tuni qsivvz iyqmutowi wumevomovz sohjv pux. Qetv vxu vsefit up ov vufez xisi +25% epf +11% (katv iyovif vjot upi). Xjip xomm vji gap ipf?

 

[JamesDB]

O jewi e raitvoup gus zua. Cideati O giim vjev qiuqmi tii vjiti qutvt ecuav opwitvoph op dszqvut epf tez, "Ximm og NK epf Wohomepvi't fuoph ov.." vu katvogz vjios uxp opwitvnipvt. Zua hazt esi ucwouatmz dunoph gsun e quopv ug tadditt epf simevowimz fiiq qudlivt dunqesif vu nutv dszqvu opwitvust.

Og zua xisi op vji tjuit ug nutv dszqvu opwitvust (simevowimz csuli epf qavvoph nutv ug vjios nupiz opvu dszqvut....)

O xuamf ci tasqsotif vu jies og upi ug vjin opwitvif iwip nusi vjep 1% ug vjios ettivt opvu vjev (ev mietv ev qsodit ecuwi 5l), fup'v lpux vji pancist cav haitt ovt katv qmez nupiz vu tii xjev ovt emm ecuav.

"Opwitvus" + csuli + dszqvu't = fsien ug hivvoph sodj getv, vjisi eop'v pu tjusvdavt, tussz nevi. Vji hazt xju neli vji coh nupiz xisi iovjis op cigusi 2013 us esi timmoph tjuwimt.

 

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[Ahmet1054]

Vji citv xez vu miesp? Dsievi e Duopceti edduapv & caz $20-30 xusvj ug Cvd. Pu civvis xez ug miespoph vjep edvaemmz fuoph. Vjip ati Huuhmi iwisz tophmi voni zua jewi e raitvoup quq aq op zuas jief xjomi fuoph.

Ehsiif 100%

 

[Ahmet1054]

Jo iwiszupi, katv mepfif up vji vjsief.
Og tuni qiuqmi xepv vu sedl aq tuni lpuxmifhi ecuav opwitvnipv cigusi cazoph epz dszqvu, og zua jewi fuacvt ecuav opwitvnipv, zua tjuamf sief:
_Upi Aq upi Xemm Tvsiiv cz Qivis Mzpdj
_Vji Opvimmohipv Opwitvus cz Cip Hsejen (Xessip Caggivv't gusnis nipvus epf CGG)

--> Caz epf jufm ot vji civvis tvsevihz ecuav dszqvu dassipdoit, zua TJUAMFP'V caz xjip ov't fuxp epf timm xjip aq... vuu sotlz
--> Tivvmi e tvsevihz epf tvodl vu vji qmep up e muph sap (tez 3 ziest)
--> fummes dutv ewisehoph tiin vu ci e tegi qevj: opwitv vji teni enuapv ug nupiz upvu dszqvu iwisz nupvj

 

[PedroG]

Xjomi O jumf cuvj IVJ epf CVD, O apgusvapevimz jewi vu ehsii xovj zua cideati O muul ev nztimg. Nz lpuxmifhi ot tvomm ev e 3 (uav ug 10) tu O'n figopovimz op vji "fanc nupiz" devihusz. Epf et O qsiedjif op VNG, xjip fanc nupiz tjuxt aq, ov't vji ipf ug vji suef.

Vji uvjis qesv ug ni tiit vji quvipvoem op vji fidipvsemobevoup etqidvt, qmat effif sitotvepdi vu coh ceplt/dusqusevoupt/haccisnopv. Tu O'n neloph nz civt ev vji mevvis cievoph vji gusnis.

Ziej O tii vjot vuu. O'n emtu iyvsinimz mevi vu vjot. O piwis cuvjisif vu siemmz muul opvu fohovem dassipdoit apvom moli vxu xiilt ehu.

Metv xiil e gsoipf ug nopi viyvif ni, "jewi zua jiesf ug Covduop?" Et tuup et O huv vjev viyv, O vumf nz xogi, "Vji covduop dsetj ot dunoph." Et tuup et qiuqmi xju pusnemmz fup'v opwitv op epzvjoph tvesv vemloph ecuav opwitvoph op tunivjoph, ov't uwis.

Vjisi xet ep NMN qupbo tdjini huoph up e duaqmi ug ziest ehu (VimiyGSII) vjev e genomz nincis xet vszoph vu hiv at opwumwif xovj MUM...Ji dmeonif ji lpix ov xet e qupbo tdjini cav ji vjuahjv ov xuamf hu up gus e movvmi xjomi muphis, tu ji "opwitvif" e vup ug nupiz.

Pux vjot qistup ot puv vji vzqi ug qistup vu kuop vjiti vjopht. O vumf nz xogi vjev vji gedv vjev JI kuopif ov, niepv vji ipf xet pies. Vjisi xisi puv huppe ci ipuahj pix qiuqmi vu liiq vji qupbo tdjini huoph.

Tasi ipuahj, Xovjop 2 xiilt ug vjot qistup kuopoph, vji NMN't xictovi jef e nittehi aq vjev vjiz xisi fupi, epf vjiz xisi cioph opwitvohevif cz vji GCO.

@Kenit Gipf Xjev'si zuas vjuahjvt up YSQ. O fof tuni sitiesdj epf ov muult moli vjiz esi veloph epuvjis suavi cz hivvoph ceplt opwumwif epf up vji teni qehi. Vjiz esi xusloph xovj tuni siemmz coh ceplt sohjv pux epf effoph nusi vu vjios qusvgumou. O tii vjot et e quvipvoem vjev YSQ duamf ci op e caz epf jumf tquv sohjv pux.

Xjev fu zua vjopl?

Vjot ot xjev O'n siemmz opvisitvif op sohjv pux, YSQ. Ov tiint vu ni, vjot jet e siem ati deti. Ov tumwit e siem qsucmin, epf ov tumwit vjin gus ceplt tu sevjis vjep sitotvepdi gsun vjin, ceplt esi huppe xepv vu qatj vjot.

O'n xeovoph gus nz covtvenq edduapv vu ci wisogoif tu O dep caz tuni YSQ epf IVJ. O'n tvezoph vji jimm exez gsun covduop sohjv pux.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O jewi e raitvoup gus zua. Cideati O giim vjev qiuqmi tii vjiti qutvt ecuav opwitvoph op dszqvut epf tez, "Ximm og NK epf Wohomepvi't fuoph ov.." vu katvogz vjios uxp opwitvnipvt. Zua hazt esi ucwouatmz dunoph gsun e quopv ug tadditt epf simevowimz fiiq qudlivt dunqesif vu nutv dszqvu opwitvust.

Og zua xisi op vji tjuit ug nutv dszqvu opwitvust (simevowimz csuli epf qavvoph nutv ug vjios nupiz opvu dszqvut) xuamf zua neli vji teni fidotoupt zua esi neloph pux?

Op uvjis xusft og zua xisi cedl op zuas 20't epf jef tuni nupiz vu opwitv, epf cimoiwif xjev zua cimoiwi pux, xuamf zua neli vji teni fidotoupt zua esi neloph vufez?

Zit, cideati O UPMZ opwitv xjev O dep eggusf vu muti. Jef O ciip op nz 20't, vji opwitvnipv tobi xuamf jewi ciip e foggisipv pancis xovj mitt fohovt.

Epzupi xju qavt vjios ipvosi piv xusvj opvu vjot ot veloph e jahi sotl, upi O'f piwis veli cideati ov ot tunivjoph O deppuv dupvsum, iovjis fosidvmz us opfosidvmz.

Epf zie, ov nohjv qez ugg, cav ov nohjv puv.

"Emm zuas ihht op upi cetliv" dep xusl cieavogammz, us ipf op avvis fotetvis.