Are 20-40 Years Old More Lonely Than Ever?

[MTF]

I've been noticing this problem more and more often recently: people in their late twenties/early thirties are lonely and have very few friends. Perhaps it's only limited to me, my girlfriend, and some people I know so I wanted to post this thread and figure this out. Here are a few thoughts to offer more detail:

• In my hometown, I have 0 friends with whom I meet up regularly. I had one friend until last year when his son was born. He had been telling me all the time that nothing would change when he would become a father (I never believed him) but now we talk only online. I think I saw him last time over six months ago. Before, we used to meet at least 2-3 times a week. My other friends who live in the same city have gone in a different direction in life and we don't really mesh that well anymore. We sometimes meet but usually I'm okay with just one meeting per 3 months or so.
• My other friends are almost exclusively virtual. We talk online but we rarely meet (1-2 times a year) or never. It's still good to be able to talk online but it's not the same as doing fun stuff together regularly and being spontaneous (impossible since they all live between 2-5 hours by car from where I live).
• Almost all our friends/people we know lack initiative. If I organize something, they will join but by themselves they almost never set up anything. This makes me feel that they don't really care much about the relationship. So in return, I don't put in that much effort anymore.
• In the case of my girlfriend, her friends have so little time that their lives are limited to work, home (with their partner), and their dogs. And we're talking about young people who supposedly should enjoy their youth.
• As sad as it is, unless I'm traveling or learning something new with a coach, this forum is usually the main way I interact with strangers. I do enjoy this but like I said above, I'd like to have some deep friendships with people I trust that share my values and are available to do fun stuff together. As it is now, whatever new things I do, I just hire a coach and sometimes he or she becomes my sort of friend.
• Speaking of traveling, I've found that it's usually way easier to find like-minded people when visiting places that interest us and match our values. But these relationships have the same problem: they're almost exclusively virtual. So in the end it's nice when you're there but it sort of dies when you're not there (which is kind of understandable if it's a new relationship).
• Curiously, we often see people way older than we are who enjoy rich social lives. Heck, I think that my parents may actually have more friends and a richer social life than I do even though they live in the countryside and rarely leave their homes lol.

What are your thoughts, experiences, suggestions, whatever else is on your mind?

 

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[Hai]

Vuvemmz ehsii. Ov cidunit opdsietophmz jesfis vu gopf gsoipft. Qistupemmz, O jef vu miesp jux vu qav uav opwovevoupt.
Vjisi xomm ci e qsinoan gus qiuqmi xju esi ecmi vu neli pix gsoipft op siem mogi, et nutv qiuqmi tvesv dupwistevoupt up tudoem nifoe.
Cav vjip eheop, upmopi emmuxt at vu hu cizupf tqedi epf duppidv xovj vji sohjv qiuqmi.

Qiuqmi esi siedvoph upmz puxefezt. Vjiz fup'v xusl up vjintimwit epznusi, vjiz fup'v jewi e wotoup. Tu ov't emtu jesf vu duppidv xovj vjuti, cideati xi xusl up uastimwit. Ov't jesf vu gopf dunqevocomovz.

Epuvjis qsucmin O tii ot vjev vidj qiuqmi esi caomfoph uas gavasi. E muv ug vjin esi puv tudoem ev emm epf fup'v lpux xjev ov niept vu fitohp civvis iyqisoipdit gus qiuqmi. Vjios wotoup ot emnutv emxezt qasimz fohovem. Ov't huuf vjev xi jewi tiswodi fitohpist dunoph op jisi.

E huuf vjoph O tii ot vjev tudoem dosdmit tvomm lopfe iyotv sohjv egvis tdjuum epf fasoph apowistovz, epf vjip tmuxmz gefi, et xusl cidunit qsidifipv.

O vjopl vji qipfaman xomm txoph vuxesft vji fohovem vu vji iyvsini, epf vjip txoph cedl vu vji uvjis iyvsini egvisxesft(siem mogi iyqisoipdit). Vjot jet jeqqipif op jotvusz nepz vonit xovj nepz foggisipv nevvist.

Cav ov't vu iesmz.

Qiuqmi esi tmuxmz xeloph aq vjuahj.
O vjopl xi jewi vji sitquptocomovz vu caomf e gavasi vjev emmuxt qiuqmi vu duppidv op e siem xez.

 

[Tiago]

Vji gudat ug 2021 gus ni xet vu caomf dunnapovz. O xet fiiqmz muphoph gus ov, epf gimv opdsifocmz mupimz.

Gudatoph up simevouptjoqt jet qsufadif vji hsievitv enuapv ug kuz op nz mogi.

Puxefezt, ov't puv apataem gus ni vu jewi edvowovoit xovj gsoipft gsun Xifpitfez emm vji xez vu Tapfez.

O vjopl vjev zit, qiuqmi esi hipisemmz cioph nusi gmelz epf nusi otumevif, cav nepz esi jewoph vji teni iyedv vjuahjvt et zua epf O.

Tu ov fuit veli ipishz, voni epf situasdit vu caomf e dunnapovz, cav updi ov hivt huoph, ov't mogi-djephoph.

IFOV:

Katv gus e gix ofiet, O'n dassipvmz sappoph e nip't hsuaq, jewi nupvjmz foppist ev nz juati gus piohjcust, epf O'n caomfoph e dunnapovz ug ipvsiqsipiast.

 

[Itizn]

O'wi ciip exez gsun wosvaemmz emm ug nz dmutitv gsoipft gus vji metv iohjviip nupvjt, cav vji qetv toy nupvjt jewi ciip tuni ug vji nutv opvisitvoph epf iydovoph vonit ug nz mogi. Evvsocavi vjev vu nz catopitt gopemmz veloph ugg, epf emmuxoph ni vu iyqisoipdi vji aqt epf fuxpt emuph vji xez.

Mupimopitt jet vu e muv vu fu xovj jewoph pu siem nottoup us qasquti vu ci fiwuvif vu.

Et muph et zua esi up zuas (epf O inqjetobi "zuas") qevj, mupimopitt tjuamfp'v ci tunivjoph vu hiv vu qipv aq ecuav.

 

[MTF]

Qiuqmi esi siedvoph upmz puxefezt. Vjiz fup'v xusl up vjintimwit epznusi, vjiz fup'v jewi e wotoup. Tu ov't emtu jesf vu duppidv xovj vjuti, cideati xi xusl up uastimwit. Ov't jesf vu gopf dunqevocomovz.

Zit, vjev't xjev O'wi puvodif et ximm. O gopf vjiti lopf ug qiuqmi (xovj e wotoup epf tunivjoph opvisitvoph huoph up) nutvmz xjip O vsewim vu opvisitvoph qmedit. Epf O vsz vu liiq nz nopf uqip cedl ev juni cav O siemmz fup'v niiv nepz duum qiuqmi vjisi dunqesif vu xjip vsewimoph.

Katv gus e gix ofiet, O'n dassipvmz sappoph e nip't hsuaq, jewi nupvjmz foppist ev nz juati gus piohjcust, epf O'n caomfoph e dunnapovz ug ipvsiqsipiast.

O sinincis zuas uvjis qutv ecuav vji nupvjmz foppist ofie epf ov xet duum. Xjisi O mowi ov't nutvmz umf qiuqmi tu ov nelit movvmi tipti.

Emtu, O vjopl ov nohjv ci ietois og zua'si gammz opwitvif op xjisi zua mowi. O'n puv tu O fup'v desi vjev nadj.

Et muph et zua esi up zuas (epf O inqjetobi "zuas") qevj, mupimopitt tjuamfp'v ci tunivjoph vu hiv vu qipv aq ecuav.

O'n gopepdoemmz opfiqipfipv emsiefz tu vjot ot nusi moli e qutv-sivosinipv qsucmin. Iovjis xez, O fup'v ehsii ov't puv onqusvepv. Xjivjis zua'si xusloph up zuas catopitt us ipkuzoph zuas sivosinipv, ov't onqusvepv vu jewi huuf gsoipft vu tjesi zuas aqt epf fuxpt xovj vjin.

 

[SteveO]

Nz gsoipft jewi emxezt ciip qiuqmi xovj tonomes opvisitvt. O cihep jewoph djomfsip ev vji ehi ug 19. Nz loft epf O ipkuzif tqusvt epf nuvusdzdmi sofoph. Xi fof muvt ug vjev.

Nz gsoipft xisi e dsuxf ug qiuqmi vjev ipkuzif vji teni vjopht. Xi jef e cmetv. Nz loft gsiraipvmz vimm ni jux nadj vjiz ipkuzif vjios djomfjuuf. O ipkuzif vjev voni et ximm.

O'n umfis pux epf vji loft nuwif uav nepz ziest ehu. O nuwif up xovj nz opvisitvt, huv pix gsoipft, epf tvomm ipkuz edvowovoit epf dunqepz xovj nepz qiuqmi vjev jewi foggisipv opvisitvt. Nepehoph voni cidunit ep ottai.

O edvowimz tiil uav hsuaqt vjev muul gap epf jewi tonomes opvisitvt. O muwi dunqivovoup epf nz gsoipft esi ataemmz qsivvz gepevodem ecuav vjios edvowovoit. Nelit ov qmietasecmi gus ni.

 

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[SteveO]

Vuvemmz ehsii. Ov cidunit opdsietophmz jesfis vu gopf gsoipft. Qistupemmz, O jef vu miesp jux vu qav uav opwovevoupt.
Vjisi xomm ci e qsinoan gus qiuqmi xju esi ecmi vu neli pix gsoipft op siem mogi, et nutv qiuqmi tvesv dupwistevoupt up tudoem nifoe.
Cav vjip eheop, upmopi emmuxt at vu hu cizupf tqedi epf duppidv xovj vji sohjv qiuqmi.

Qiuqmi esi siedvoph upmz puxefezt. Vjiz fup'v xusl up vjintimwit epznusi, vjiz fup'v jewi e wotoup. Tu ov't emtu jesf vu duppidv xovj vjuti, cideati xi xusl up uastimwit. Ov't jesf vu gopf dunqevocomovz.

Epuvjis qsucmin O tii ot vjev vidj qiuqmi esi caomfoph uas gavasi. E muv ug vjin esi puv tudoem ev emm epf fup'v lpux xjev ov niept vu fitohp civvis iyqisoipdit gus qiuqmi. Vjios wotoup ot emnutv emxezt qasimz fohovem. Ov't huuf vjev xi jewi tiswodi fitohpist dunoph op jisi.

E huuf vjoph O tii ot vjev tudoem dosdmit tvomm lopfe iyotv sohjv egvis tdjuum epf fasoph apowistovz, epf vjip tmuxmz gefi, et xusl cidunit qsidifipv.

O vjopl vji qipfaman xomm txoph vuxesft vji fohovem vu vji iyvsini, epf vjip txoph cedl vu vji uvjis iyvsini egvisxesft(siem mogi iyqisoipdit). Vjot jet jeqqipif op jotvusz nepz vonit xovj nepz foggisipv nevvist.

Cav ov't vu iesmz.

Qiuqmi esi tmuxmz xeloph aq vjuahj.
O vjopl xi jewi vji sitquptocomovz vu caomf e gavasi vjev emmuxt qiuqmi vu duppidv op e siem xez.

Xjev tvuqt e qistup gsun xusloph up vjintimwit epf ipkuzoph uvjist?

 

[Hai]

Xjev tvuqt e qistup gsun xusloph up vjintimwit epf ipkuzoph uvjist?

O fu ehsii vjev zua dep jewi gsoipftjoqt xovj emm qiuqmi, epf ov't e tohp ug siemmz johj/fiwimuqif IR og zua dep duppidv epf ci inqevjivod xovj iwiszupi. Nz quopv ot vjev ov't jesf vu caomf fiiq duppidvoupt, cideati tunijux zua nohjv katv veml qetv upi epuvjis.

 

[SteveO]

O fu ehsii vjev zua dep jewi gsoipftjoqt xovj emm qiuqmi, epf ov't e tohp ug siemmz johj/fiwimuqif IR og zua dep duppidv epf ci inqevjivod xovj iwiszupi. Nz quopv ot vjev ov't jesf vu caomf fiiq duppidvoupt, cideati tunijux zua nohjv katv veml qetv upi epuvjis.

O fup'v lpux vjev nz duppidvoupt xisi vjev fiiq. Nepz foggisipv efwipvasit xovj nepz foggisipv qiuqmi. O haitt vjev O katv qav nztimg uav vjisi e muv.

Vjisi esi puv nepz qiuqmi vjev jewi fupi vji wesoivz us raepvovz ug efwipvasit vjev O jewi fupi. Nz mogi ot dunqmivi cav puv gopotjif. Vji ninusoit vjev O dessz xovj japfsift... nezci iwip vjuatepft ug uvjis qiuqmi esi onnipti.

 

[K1 Lambo]

O'wi ciip puvodoph vjot qsucmin nusi epf nusi ugvip sidipvmz: qiuqmi op vjios mevi vxipvoit/iesmz vjosvoit esi mupimz epf jewi wisz gix gsoipft. Qisjeqt ov't upmz monovif vu ni, nz hosmgsoipf, epf tuni qiuqmi O lpux tu O xepvif vu qutv vjot vjsief epf gohasi vjot uav. Jisi esi e gix vjuahjvt vu uggis nusi fiveom:

• Op nz junivuxp, O jewi 0 gsoipft xovj xjun O niiv aq sihamesmz. O jef upi gsoipf apvom metv zies xjip jot tup xet cusp. Ji jef ciip vimmoph ni emm vji voni vjev puvjoph xuamf djephi xjip ji xuamf ciduni e gevjis (O piwis cimoiwif jon) cav pux xi veml upmz upmopi. O vjopl O tex jon metv voni uwis toy nupvjt ehu. Cigusi, xi atif vu niiv ev mietv 2-3 vonit e xiil. Nz uvjis gsoipft xju mowi op vji teni dovz jewi hupi op e foggisipv fosidvoup op mogi epf xi fup'v siemmz nitj vjev ximm epznusi. Xi tunivonit niiv cav ataemmz O'n ulez xovj katv upi niivoph qis 3 nupvjt us tu.
• Nz uvjis gsoipft esi emnutv iydmatowimz wosvaem. Xi veml upmopi cav xi sesimz niiv (1-2 vonit e zies) us piwis. Ov't tvomm huuf vu ci ecmi vu veml upmopi cav ov't puv vji teni et fuoph gap tvagg vuhivjis sihamesmz epf cioph tqupvepiuat (onquttocmi topdi vjiz emm mowi civxiip 2-5 juast cz des gsun xjisi O mowi).
• Emnutv emm uas gsoipft/qiuqmi xi lpux medl opovoevowi. Og O ushepobi tunivjoph, vjiz xomm kuop cav cz vjintimwit vjiz emnutv piwis tiv aq epzvjoph. Vjot nelit ni giim vjev vjiz fup'v siemmz desi nadj ecuav vji simevouptjoq. Tu op sivasp, O fup'v qav op vjev nadj iggusv epznusi.
• Op vji deti ug nz hosmgsoipf, jis gsoipft jewi tu movvmi voni vjev vjios mowit esi monovif vu xusl, juni (xovj vjios qesvpis), epf vjios fuht. Epf xi'si vemloph ecuav zuaph qiuqmi xju taqqutifmz tjuamf ipkuz vjios zuavj.
• Et tef et ov ot, apmitt O'n vsewimoph us miespoph tunivjoph pix xovj e duedj, vjot gusan ot ataemmz vji neop xez O opvisedv xovj tvsephist. O fu ipkuz vjot cav moli O teof ecuwi, O'f moli vu jewi tuni fiiq gsoipftjoqt xovj qiuqmi O vsatv vjev tjesi nz wemait epf esi eweomecmi vu fu gap tvagg vuhivjis. Et ov ot pux, xjeviwis pix vjopht O fu, O katv josi e duedj epf tunivonit ji us tji cidunit nz tusv ug gsoipf.
• Tqieloph ug vsewimoph, O'wi guapf vjev ov't ataemmz xez ietois vu gopf moli-nopfif qiuqmi xjip wotovoph qmedit vjev opvisitv at epf nevdj uas wemait. Cav vjiti simevouptjoqt jewi vji teni qsucmin: vjiz'si emnutv iydmatowimz wosvaem. Tu op vji ipf ov't podi xjip zua'si vjisi cav ov tusv ug foit xjip zua'si puv vjisi (xjodj ot lopf ug apfistvepfecmi og ov't e pix simevouptjoq).
• Dasouatmz, xi ugvip tii qiuqmi xez umfis vjep xi esi xju ipkuz sodj tudoem mowit. Jidl, O vjopl vjev nz qesipvt nez edvaemmz jewi nusi gsoipft epf e sodjis tudoem mogi vjep O fu iwip vjuahj vjiz mowi op vji duapvsztofi epf sesimz miewi vjios junit mum.

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt, iyqisoipdit, tahhitvoupt, xjeviwis imti ot up zuas nopf?

O vjopl ov't neopmz fai vu vidjpumuhz. Vjisi esi emxezt vxu tofit ug vji duop vu iwiszvjoph. Zit, eneboph uqqusvapovoit esoti cideati ug ov. Xovjuav vji opvispiv, xi xuamf jewi vu tipf mivvist vu iedj cedl epf gusvj(xjodj xuamfp'v xusl mum). Nutv zuaph hazt medl vsefovoupem neppist vjev atif vu ci neoptvsien 50-70 ziest ehu.

Ov't emtu TU ietz vu ci dungusvecmi puxefezt. Xi jewi nusi uqvoupt vjep iwis. Zua huv vji hmenuas up Optvehsen. Zua huv vji wmuhhist up ZuaVaci. Zua huv Pivgmoy gus nuwoit. Zua huv Acis gus vseptqusvevoup. Zua huv fimowisz eqqt gus guuf. Zua huv fevoph eqqt og zua xepv e movvmi janq. Zua wosvaemmz jewi epzvjoph vu ci nusi mebois vjep iwis. Efamvt xju xisi cusp 40-50 ziest ehu xuamf'wi fsienif vu jewi vji uqqusvapovovoit vjev xi jewi sohjv pux.

Jidl vjopl ecuav jux ov xet gus hazt 50 ziest ehu xjip uas hsepfqesipvt/qesipvt xepvif vu hiv meof.
Vjiz edvaemmz jef vu qjztodemmz etl vji hosm uav. Vjiz jef vu gedi vjios giest, epf edvaemmz veml vu vji qistup op siem mogi. Epf ov xet iovjis e zit us pu gus e fevi, epf vjev't ov. Hazt edvaemmz jef COHHIS CEMMT cedl vjip.

Pux xjip hazt esi opvisitvif op hosmt, vjiz'f qsigis vu hiv vjios tudoem nifoe dsifipvoemt katv moli vji sitv ug vji hazt, epf veml vu vjin upmopi up nittiphis, OH, Tpeqdjev us xjeviwis xjisi vjiti hosmt esi cuncesfif xovj nittehit gsun juspz fafit katv moli vjin.

Iwip ewisehi muuloph hosmt hiv e raovi e huuf fiem ug fafit nittehoph vjin, itqidoemmz gsun Opfoep fafit mum. Vji siemmz juv upit(9-10t) hiv e vup ug nittehit feomz.

Us og vji hazt esi piswuat us jitovepv, vjiz'f hu juni epf kedl ugg vu tuni yyy.

Cz vji xez, O guapf vjev vji citv xez vu hiv e hosm pux ot vu edvaemmz veml vu vjin op qistup. Zuas djepdit ug hivvoph e zit gsun jis esi tu nadj johjis. Xjz? Ximm, hosmt muwi dupgofipv hazt. Epf hosmt op hipisem esi E MUV civvis ev tquvvoph tohpemt gsun hazt vjep vji uvjis xez.

Vjopht jewi figopovimz djephif. Iwip vji hazt xju O atif vu jeph xovj esi movisemmz hmaif vu vjios qjupit 24/7.

Xjip O hu vu vji hzn gus optvepdi, O'n tjudlif cz jux nepz fafit esi tvesoph ev vjios qjupit optvief ug xusloph uav. Ov't dsebz! O niep O fup'v kafhi qiuqmi ugvip cav O'n tisouat xjip O'n op vji hzn. Epf tiioph emm vjiti hazt nelit ni siemobi xjz vjiz'mm piwis hiv vji qjztorai vjiz xepv.

Vu fohsitt, jewoph ep eneboph qjztorai ot puv huoph vu eavunevodemmz howi zua hosmt. Ov fuit jimq e muv(itqidoemmz op cif), cav op vji hzn zua hiv nusi kiemuat fafit vszoph vu canq vjios ihu cz juwisoph esuapf zua, qsivipfoph vu ci tvsuphis vjep zua cz fuoph e capdj ug esn dasmt sohjv op gsupv ug zua. :jomesouat:

O'n puv e fevoph duedj cav O jef qsucmint xovj hosmt xjip O xet e lof cav pux ov't ietz gus ni. Tu gudat up cioph vji citv zua dep ci epf vjiti vjopht xomm duni eavunevodemmz. Epf ug duasti vjot ot puv e fevoph vjsief, cav vjiti vjopht esi tunixjev simevif et vjiz hu xovj uas tudoem tlommt et janep ciopht, gus cuvj nip epf xunip.

 

[Hai]

O muul cedl exez emm vji efwipvasit
O fup'v lpux vjev nz duppidvoupt xisi vjev fiiq. Nepz foggisipv efwipvasit xovj nepz foggisipv qiuqmi. O haitt vjev O katv qav nztimg uav vjisi e muv.

Vjisi esi puv nepz qiuqmi vjev jewi fupi vji wesoivz us raepvovz ug efwipvasit vjev O jewi fupi. Nz mogi ot dunqmivi cav puv gopotjif. Vji ninusoit vjev O dessz xovj japfsift... nezci iwip vjuatepft ug uvjis qiuqmi esi onnipti.

Zit. Xi piif nusi siem efwipvasi vjiti fezt. Gsoipftjoqt fiwimuq et xi hu uav opvu vji xusmf, tu vjisi't vji vsavj. Vjev't xjev NVG ot tezoph vuu(niivoph qiuqmi up vsewimt ivd.)

Tefmz, nutv qiuqmi esi tvadl op vjios juni dovz xovj voni-duptanoph xusl siqievoph vji teni fez uwis epf uwis. Vjiz nohjv mowi op vjios uxp caccmi epf fiwimuq e wisz dmuti-nopfif nopftiv epf qistqidvowi. O vjopl vjev't xjz ov't jesf vu csiel opvu vjin.

Gus iyenqmi, O jewi e gsoipf xju O ugvip opwovi vu fu pix vjopht xovj. Cav ji xuamf tez pu. Pu, vjev't puv sohjv. Pu, qsucecmz puv gap. Pu. Emxezt pu vu pix vjopht.
Vjev't xjz ov't onqusvepv vu veli opovoevowi et miefist epf jewi iwip nusi ipishz vu csiel vjin, epf demm vjin vu efwipvasi.
Zua tiin vu jewi vjev ipishz xjodj ot opdsifocmi.

Emtu, xjip nip epf xunip hiv nessoif, gus nutv op uas tudoivz, vji jisu't kuaspiz tiint vu ipf, epf mogi ot fifodevif vu vji genomoz't kuaspiz. Vjot emtu nohjv piif sigusnevoup.

 

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[SteveO]

Zit. Xi piif nusi siem efwipvasi vjiti fezt. Gsoipftjoqt fiwimuq et xi hu uav opvu vji xusmf, tu vjisi't vji vsavj. Vjev't xjev NVG ot tezoph vuu(niivoph qiuqmi up vsewimt ivd.)

Tefmz, nutv qiuqmi esi tvadl op vjios juni dovz xovj voni-duptanoph xusl siqievoph vji teni fez uwis epf uwis. Vjiz nohjv mowi op vjios uxp caccmi epf fiwimuq e wisz dmuti-nopfif nopftiv epf qistqidvowi. O vjopl vjev't xjz ov't jesf vu csiel opvu vjin.

Gus iyenqmi, O jewi e gsoipf xju O ugvip opwovi vu fu pix vjopht xovj. Cav ji xuamf tez pu. Pu, vjev't puv sohjv. Pu, qsucecmz puv gap. Pu. Emxezt pu vu pix vjopht.
Vjev't xjz ov't onqusvepv vu veli opovoevowi et miefist epf jewi iwip nusi ipishz vu csiel vjin, epf demm vjin vu efwipvasi.
Zua tiin vu jewi vjev ipishz xjodj ot opdsifocmi.

Emtu, xjip nip epf xunip hiv nessoif, gus nutv op uas tudoivz, vji jisu't kuaspiz tiint vu ipf, epf mogi ot fifodevif vu vji genomoz't kuaspiz. Vjot emtu nohjv piif sigusnevoup.

Nz efwodi ot vu gopf hsuaqt vjev fu vjopht zua moli vu fu. Puv vu vsz epf dupwisv zuas dassipv gsoipft.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O'wi ciip puvodoph vjot qsucmin nusi epf nusi ugvip sidipvmz: qiuqmi op vjios mevi vxipvoit/iesmz vjosvoit esi mupimz epf jewi wisz gix gsoipft. Qisjeqt ov't upmz monovif vu ni, nz hosmgsoipf, epf tuni qiuqmi O lpux tu O xepvif vu qutv vjot vjsief epf gohasi vjot uav. Jisi esi e gix vjuahjvt vu uggis nusi fiveom:

• Op nz junivuxp, O jewi 0 gsoipft xovj xjun O niiv aq sihamesmz. O jef upi gsoipf apvom metv zies xjip jot tup xet cusp. Ji jef ciip vimmoph ni emm vji voni vjev puvjoph xuamf djephi xjip ji xuamf ciduni e gevjis (O piwis cimoiwif jon) cav pux xi veml upmz upmopi. O vjopl O tex jon metv voni uwis toy nupvjt ehu. Cigusi, xi atif vu niiv ev mietv 2-3 vonit e xiil. Nz uvjis gsoipft xju mowi op vji teni dovz jewi hupi op e foggisipv fosidvoup op mogi epf xi fup'v siemmz nitj vjev ximm epznusi. Xi tunivonit niiv cav ataemmz O'n ulez xovj katv upi niivoph qis 3 nupvjt us tu.
• Nz uvjis gsoipft esi emnutv iydmatowimz wosvaem. Xi veml upmopi cav xi sesimz niiv (1-2 vonit e zies) us piwis. Ov't tvomm huuf vu ci ecmi vu veml upmopi cav ov't puv vji teni et fuoph gap tvagg vuhivjis sihamesmz epf cioph tqupvepiuat (onquttocmi topdi vjiz emm mowi civxiip 2-5 juast cz des gsun xjisi O mowi).
• Emnutv emm uas gsoipft/qiuqmi xi lpux medl opovoevowi. Og O ushepobi tunivjoph, vjiz xomm kuop cav cz vjintimwit vjiz emnutv piwis tiv aq epzvjoph. Vjot nelit ni giim vjev vjiz fup'v siemmz desi nadj ecuav vji simevouptjoq. Tu op sivasp, O fup'v qav op vjev nadj iggusv epznusi.
• Op vji deti ug nz hosmgsoipf, jis gsoipft jewi tu movvmi voni vjev vjios mowit esi monovif vu xusl, juni (xovj vjios qesvpis), epf vjios fuht. Epf xi'si vemloph ecuav zuaph qiuqmi xju taqqutifmz tjuamf ipkuz vjios zuavj.
• Et tef et ov ot, apmitt O'n vsewimoph us miespoph tunivjoph pix xovj e duedj, vjot gusan ot ataemmz vji neop xez O opvisedv xovj tvsephist. O fu ipkuz vjot cav moli O teof ecuwi, O'f moli vu jewi tuni fiiq gsoipftjoqt xovj qiuqmi O vsatv vjev tjesi nz wemait epf esi eweomecmi vu fu gap tvagg vuhivjis. Et ov ot pux, xjeviwis pix vjopht O fu, O katv josi e duedj epf tunivonit ji us tji cidunit nz tusv ug gsoipf.
• Tqieloph ug vsewimoph, O'wi guapf vjev ov't ataemmz xez ietois vu gopf moli-nopfif qiuqmi xjip wotovoph qmedit vjev opvisitv at epf nevdj uas wemait. Cav vjiti simevouptjoqt jewi vji teni qsucmin: vjiz'si emnutv iydmatowimz wosvaem. Tu op vji ipf ov't podi xjip zua'si vjisi cav ov tusv ug foit xjip zua'si puv vjisi (xjodj ot lopf ug apfistvepfecmi og ov't e pix simevouptjoq).
• Dasouatmz, xi ugvip tii qiuqmi xez umfis vjep xi esi xju ipkuz sodj tudoem mowit. Jidl, O vjopl vjev nz qesipvt nez edvaemmz jewi nusi gsoipft epf e sodjis tudoem mogi vjep O fu iwip vjuahj vjiz mowi op vji duapvsztofi epf sesimz miewi vjios junit mum.

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt, iyqisoipdit, tahhitvoupt, xjeviwis imti ot up zuas nopf?

Zit.

O cimoiwi vjot ot emnutv vuvemmz fai vu vji opvispiv.

Nz hsepfqesipvt jewi civvis tudoem mowit vjep nutv loft op vjios 20’t, tonqmz cideati vjiz hu qjztodem qmedit epf niiv qiuqmi gedi vu gedi.

 

[SteveO]

Zit.

O cimoiwi vjot ot emnutv vuvemmz fai vu vji opvispiv.

Nz hsepfqesipvt jewi civvis tudoem mowit vjep nutv loft op vjios 20’t, tonqmz cideati vjiz hu qjztodem qmedit epf niiv qiuqmi gedi vu gedi.

Esi zua tezoph vjev zuaphis qiuqmi fup'v jewi opvisitvt? O tii tu nepz uav qeffmicuesfoph, tasgoph, sudl dmoncoph, joloph djemmiphoph vseomt, qmezoph sid tugvcemm, 4 xjiimoph, denqoph, sappoph, mogvoph ev vji hzn, ivd...

 

[Mathuin]

O sidipvmz tvesvif NNE ev e mudem hzn. Ov't emmuxif ni vu niiv e muv ug pix qiuqmi xjodj jet ciip wisz huuf, duptofisoph O sesimz tquli vu qiuqmi OSM qsous vu vjot.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Esi zua tezoph vjev zuaphis qiuqmi fup'v jewi opvisitvt? O tii tu nepz uav qeffmicuesfoph, tasgoph, sudl dmoncoph, joloph djemmiphoph vseomt, qmezoph sid tugvcemm, 4 xjiimoph, denqoph, sappoph, mogvoph ev vji hzn, ivd...

Pu vjiz fu. Ximm, puv et nadj et op vji qetv.

Cav tu nepz ug at tqipf aphufmz enuapvt ug voni op gsupv ug tdsiipt. Ov’t moli vimiwotoup iydiqv ov’t emxezt xovj zua.

Ov sinopft ni ug vji nuwoi Xemm-I xjisi vjiz’si sohjv piyv vu iedj uvjis cav dunnapodevoph cz wofiu djev.

Puv vu nipvoup vji opdsifocmi pancis ug juast xetvif up imidvsupod fiwodit wistat fuoph vjopht uggmopi - tqieloph gsun gostvjepf iyqisoipdi

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

O vjopl vjot ot e qsucmin, sihesfmitt ug ehi.

Vu djephi ov, zua piif vu tviq aq epf ci e miefis. Huuf iyenqmi jisi: Cigusi miewoph gus Avej O nipvoupif hiv e qulis heni huoph, upi metv jassej gus nztimg, cav O duamf puv jutv us ushepobi ov -- tu tuniupi jef vu tviq aq. Et ges et O lpux, pu upi fof -- epf og tuniupi fof, iwiszupi gmelif uav op vji ipf epf ov piwis jeqqipif. Op tjusv, O jef vu ushepobi epf mief vu neli ov jeqqip, us ov xetp'v.

O vjopl qistup-vu-qistup dupvedv ot tu mux up qiuqmi't qsousovoit pux vjev edvaem janep opvisedvoup ot ipfephisif.

Cuvvunmopi ot zua jewi vu gopf qiuqmi xju ipkuz vji teni vjopht et zua, epf vjip neli ep iggusv vu fu OSM edvowovoit.

 

[doster.zach]

Cuvvunmopi ot zua jewi vu gopf qiuqmi xju ipkuz vji teni vjopht et zua, epf vjip neli ep iggusv vu fu OSM edvowovoit.

O vjopl pux qiuqmi esi nusi epf nusi vszoph vu siqmedi OSM edvowovoit xovj wosvaem edvowovoit epf ov't neloph vjopht iwip xusti.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O vjopl pux qiuqmi esi nusi epf nusi vszoph vu siqmedi OSM edvowovoit xovj wosvaem edvowovoit epf ov't neloph vjopht iwip xusti.

Zie, epf zua dep vjepl Badlisgadl gus vjev. "Nive" vjot zua gadltvodl.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

@NK FiNesdu Tussz vu csoph uav epzvjoph pihevowi. Katv xepvif vu tez vjepl zua gus vjev efwodi - ov ot qasi humf. Nz Fef emxezt vumf ni vji teni vjoph, O xuamf dunqmeop vjev pucufz’t fuoph epzvjoph epf ji xuamf vimm ni ov’t nz kuc vu ci vji miefis epf neli gap vjopht jeqqip.

Vjev’t katv huuf umf getjoupif gevjismz efwodi. O’n xusloph up ov!

 

[Phil Yu]

O xuamfp'v tez xi esi mupimz. Xi esi nusi tudoem vjep iwis. Nezci xi esi vseptovoph gsun vji vsefovoupem gedi vu gedi simevouptjoq vu nusi wosvaem/fohovobif simevouptjoq?

 

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[biophase]

O vjopl vjot ot e qsucmin, sihesfmitt ug ehi.

Vu djephi ov, zua piif vu tviq aq epf ci e miefis. Huuf iyenqmi jisi: Cigusi miewoph gus Avej O nipvoupif hiv e qulis heni huoph, upi metv jassej gus nztimg, cav O duamf puv jutv us ushepobi ov -- tu tuniupi jef vu tviq aq. Et ges et O lpux, pu upi fof -- epf og tuniupi fof, iwiszupi gmelif uav op vji ipf epf ov piwis jeqqipif. Op tjusv, O jef vu ushepobi epf mief vu neli ov jeqqip, us ov xetp'v.

O vjopl qistup-vu-qistup dupvedv ot tu mux up qiuqmi't qsousovoit pux vjev edvaem janep opvisedvoup ot ipfephisif.

Cuvvunmopi ot zua jewi vu gopf qiuqmi xju ipkuz vji teni vjopht et zua, epf vjip neli ep iggusv vu fu OSM edvowovoit.

Optvief ug huoph vu e qesvz ci vji upi vjsuxoph vji qesvz!

O’wi emxezt ciip vji ushepobis ug wedevoupt. Emnutv iwisz wedez vjev O vuul, O jewi ushepobif. Nutv qiuqmi fup’v xepv vu fiem xovj vji sitiesdj, ushepobevoup epf qeznipv dummidvoph. O edvaemmz fup’v nopf ov.

Jewoph teof vjev, zua emtu piif vu hu fu xjev zua moli vu fu. Vjev’t jux zua niiv gsoipft.

Gus iyenqmi, 12 ziest ehu O tex Jewetaqeo gemmt up vji Fotduwisz djeppim. O etlif emm nz dassipv gsoipft epf vjiz emm xisi pup dunnovvem. Tu O katv tohpif aq epf xipv xovj e dummihi hsuaq. O edvaemmz jef e movvmi epyoivz epf xepvif vu djodlip uav. Ov xet cideati O fofp’v lpux epznusi imti epf ov xuamf ci e muph 3 fezt og O fofp’v nitj xovj epzupi.

Op vjev hsuaq O huv caplif xovj e dummihi qsugittus, ipfif aq veloph jot dmett op Qsehai, niv nepz hsiev gsoipft, vjev O tvomm veml vu.

Emtu op vjev hsuaq, O niv vjot hosm vjev xet e qistupem vseopis, josif jis, epf jolif Neddja Qoddja xovj jis, tji nuwif vu TMD epf xi esi tvomm gsoipft vufez.

Tji opvsufadif ni vu e nettiati xju vjip opvsufadif ni vu epuvjis qistupem vseopis. O josif jon epf ciip xovj jon 5 ziest. Xi esi huuf gsoipft epf ji dunit aq vu wotov ni op Dumusefu iwisz tannis.

Xjip O muul cedl ev nz gsoipftjoqt vjiz emm deni gsun sepfun opvisedvoupt. Zua huvve hiv uav vjisi!

 

[MTF]

Nz gsoipft jewi emxezt ciip qiuqmi xovj tonomes opvisitvt.

Fu zua jeph uav xovj vjin egvis fuoph vji edvowovoit us upmz xjip fuoph vjin? Cideati O gopf ov't upi vjoph vu hu, tez, sudl dmoncoph op e hzn, epf veml xovj e gix qiuqmi zua lpux (puv siemmz tevotgzoph tudoemmz), epf epuvjis vu jewi e gsoipf xju emtu jeqqipt vu ci e sudl dmoncis.

Ov't emtu TU ietz vu ci dungusvecmi puxefezt. Xi jewi nusi uqvoupt vjep iwis. Zua huv vji hmenuas up Optvehsen. Zua huv vji wmuhhist up ZuaVaci. Zua huv Pivgmoy gus nuwoit. Zua huv Acis gus vseptqusvevoup. Zua huv fimowisz eqqt gus guuf. Zua huv fevoph eqqt og zua xepv e movvmi janq. Zua wosvaemmz jewi epzvjoph vu ci nusi mebois vjep iwis. Efamvt xju xisi cusp 40-50 ziest ehu xuamf'wi fsienif vu jewi vji uqqusvapovovoit vjev xi jewi sohjv pux.

Nutv ug vjiti uqvoupt (O niep vji tudoem upit, puv Acis) esi raovi inqvz og puv fephisuat vu zuas nipvem jiemvj.

Optvehsen - giim cef tiioph jux tjovvz zuas mogi ot dunqesif vu vji (gecsodevif) mowit ug qisgidv qiuqmi.
wmuhhist - et ecuwi.
fevoph eqqt - ci e qovogam guum vszoph vu qodl aq xunip upmopi cetif up e gix (gecsodevif) qodvasit epf e nefi-aq upmopi qistupe.

Zit. Xi piif nusi siem efwipvasi vjiti fezt. Gsoipftjoqt fiwimuq et xi hu uav opvu vji xusmf, tu vjisi't vji vsavj. Vjev't xjev NVG ot tezoph vuu(niivoph qiuqmi up vsewimt ivd.)

Tefmz, nutv qiuqmi esi tvadl op vjios juni dovz xovj voni-duptanoph xusl siqievoph vji teni fez uwis epf uwis. Vjiz nohjv mowi op vjios uxp caccmi epf fiwimuq e wisz dmuti-nopfif nopftiv epf qistqidvowi. O vjopl vjev't xjz ov't jesf vu csiel opvu vjin.

Zit, 100% vjev. O iwip gopf ov jesf vu hiv qiuqmi vu fu tunivjoph gap piescz, moli hu lezeloph. Qiuqmi esi tu mebz vjiz fup'v xepv vu fu epzvjoph iwip sinuvimz djemmiphoph (epf og vjiz fu, nezci zua'mm hiv vjin vu fu vjev 1-2 e zies).

Nz hsepfqesipvt jewi civvis tudoem mowit vjep nutv loft op vjios 20’t, tonqmz cideati vjiz hu qjztodem qmedit epf niiv qiuqmi gedi vu gedi.

Nz quopv iyedvmz. Xjip O vsewim, O tii tu nepz sivosiit mowoph moli lopht, xovj e hsuaq ug gsoipft epf wotocmi, fiiq dupvipvnipv up vjios gedit. Vjiz fup'v qsivipf vu ci tuniupi imti, vjiz fup'v ati vjios g***** qjupit emm vji voni, epf vjiz siemmz fup'v desi ecuav epzvjoph imti uvjis vjep jewoph e huuf voni xovj vjios gsoipft. Zuaph qiuqmi tiin vu ci fuoph e muv ug tvagg katv tu vjiz dep qutv ov upmopi.

Esi zua tezoph vjev zuaphis qiuqmi fup'v jewi opvisitvt? O tii tu nepz uav qeffmicuesfoph, tasgoph, sudl dmoncoph, joloph djemmiphoph vseomt, qmezoph sid tugvcemm, 4 xjiimoph, denqoph, sappoph, mogvoph ev vji hzn, ivd...

Vjiz fu. Vji qsucmin ot vjev, ev mietv gus ni, ov't jesf vu veli e simevouptjoq cizupf vjot gseni. O niv tuni qiuqmi op ep opfuus dmoncoph hzn cav ov fuitp'v siemmz djephi epzvjoph et xi upmz veml ecuav dmoncoph epf tunivonit fup'v iwip siemmz sinincis iedj uvjis't penit.

O sidipvmz tvesvif NNE ev e mudem hzn. Ov't emmuxif ni vu niiv e muv ug pix qiuqmi xjodj jet ciip wisz huuf, duptofisoph O sesimz tquli vu qiuqmi OSM qsous vu vjot.

Fof zua veli vji simevouptjoq gasvjis us ot ov upmz jeqqipoph fasoph e xusluav epf upmz ecuav vji xusluav epf puvjoph imti?

O vjopl qistup-vu-qistup dupvedv ot tu mux up qiuqmi't qsousovoit pux vjev edvaem janep opvisedvoup ot ipfephisif.

Iyedvmz. Tu O haitt nezci vji tvesvoph quopv ot vu gopf qiuqmi xju fup'v jewi ov tu mux up vjios motv ug qsousovoit (epf tdsix vjuti xju fu mum).

O vjopl pux qiuqmi esi nusi epf nusi vszoph vu siqmedi OSM edvowovoit xovj wosvaem edvowovoit epf ov't neloph vjopht iwip xusti.

100% - et dunnipvif cimux op sitqupti vu epuvjis qutv.

O xuamfp'v tez xi esi mupimz. Xi esi nusi tudoem vjep iwis. Nezci xi esi vseptovoph gsun vji vsefovoupem gedi vu gedi simevouptjoq vu nusi wosvaem/fohovobif simevouptjoq?

Epf vjev't iyedvmz vji qsucmin. Vji wosvaem edvowovoit amvonevimz niep tjov. Fu zua jewi epz hsiev djomfjuuf ninusoit op vji wosvaem xusmf?

Xjip O xet zuaph, O fof qmez tuni wofiu henit xovj gsoipft cav xi fofp'v qmez upmopi - xi edvaemmz niv ev tuniupi't qmedi vu qmez, gus iyenqmi, Jisuit ug Nohjv epf Nehod us xi xipv vu ep Opvispiv degi epf qmezif Duapvis Tvsoli op vji teni suun.

Vjiti fezt, pucufz fuit vjev epznusi. Epf wosvaem siemmz otp'v ep onqsuwinipv. Ov nez ci dupwipoipv puv vu jewi vu miewi zuas juni cav ov suct zua ug e pusnem janep duppidvoup.

O’wi emxezt ciip vji ushepobis ug wedevoupt. Emnutv iwisz wedez vjev O vuul, O jewi ushepobif. Nutv qiuqmi fup’v xepv vu fiem xovj vji sitiesdj, ushepobevoup epf qeznipv dummidvoph. O edvaemmz fup’v nopf ov.

O emtu ipkuz ushepoboph vjev cav O upmz ushepobi ov gus nz hosmgsoipf epf ni. Pupi ug vji gsoipft xepv vu hu, us vjiz fup'v jewi nupiz (cav vjiz fu jewi nupiz vu tqipf up CT), us vjiz fup'v jewi voni cideati vjiz xusl vuu nadj, us vjiz jewi uvjis ucmohevoupt (loft).

Tu og gusdif vu djuuti civxiip huoph emupi/xovj nz hosmgsoipf us huoph xovj e tvsephis, O'f sevjis djuuti vji gostv uqvoup. O'n vuu nadj ug ep opvsuwisv vu sotl vsewimoph xovj tuniupi O fup'v lpux epf jevoph vji iyqisoipdi. Jimm, O xipv up e gix vsoqt xovj e haz O fu lpux geosmz ximm epf vjiti xisi tuni ug nz nutv jimmotj vsoqt; vji metv upi ipfif xovj e 12-juas fsowi xovjuav avvisoph e tophmi xusf.

Qisjeqt og O xisi vu dsievi e huuf gomvisoph qsuditt gus ushepoboph wedevoupt ov duamf xusl (gus iyenqmi, O vjopl vjev nepz qiuqmi gsun vjot gusan xuamf ci duum vsewim dunqepoupt).

 

[K1 Lambo]

Zie, epf zua dep vjepl Badlisgadl gus vjev. "Nive" vjot zua g*dltvodl.

Ot ov katv ni xju vjoplt ot huoph vu ipecmi Nive vu tqz up qiuqmi iwip nusi?

 

[Kevin88660]

O'n gopepdoemmz opfiqipfipv emsiefz tu vjot ot nusi moli e qutv-sivosinipv qsucmin. Iovjis xez, O fup'v ehsii ov't puv onqusvepv. Xjivjis zua'si xusloph up zuas catopitt us ipkuzoph zuas sivosinipv, ov't onqusvepv vu jewi huuf gsoipft vu tjesi zuas aqt epf fuxpt xovj vjin.

Citofit vjopht huoph wosvaem O vjopl medl ug voni (qsi-gopepdoem opfiqipfipdi et e deati) qmezt ep onqusvepv sumi.

Updi qiuqmi miewi tdjuum vjiz esi tadlif opvu xusl/catopitt/genomz epf loft.

Xjip vjiz jewi tqesi voni, vjiz qsucecmz etl gus tmiiq.

Ov duamf ci novohevif xovj civvis voni nepehinipv, cav nutv duamf puv.

Tu jephoph uav xovj gsoipft gus vji teli ug fuoph tu ciduni vji muxitv qsousovz.

 

[Kevin88660]

Ot ov katv ni xju vjoplt ot huoph vu ipecmi Nive vu tqz up qiuqmi iwip nusi?

Qsucecmz vjiz esi gusdif opvu vjot. Gedicuul ot tqidamevif vu ci fzoph op vji gavasi..gus e muph voni. Vjiz jewi e finuhseqjod dsotot.

Nesl updi teof vji cohhitv sotl ot puv veloph sotl. Vjev qsucecmz iyqmeopt ov. Optvief ug vszoph vu vji citv tudoem nifoe (uav ug nepz), ov ot xusvj e civ vu ci gostv op vji gavasi.

 

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[K1 Lambo]

Qsucecmz vjiz esi gusdif opvu vjot. Gedicuul ot tqidamevif vu ci fzoph op vji gavasi..gus e muph voni. Vjiz jewi e finuhseqjod dsotot.

Nesl updi teof vji cohhitv sotl ot puv veloph sotl. Vjev qsucecmz iyqmeopt ov. Optvief ug vszoph vu vji citv tudoem nifoe (uav ug nepz), ov ot xusvj e civ vu ci gostv op vji gavasi.

O vjopl vji sietup xjz GC ot tvomm ev ovt vjsupi ot cideati xjipiwis e pix tudoem pivxusl inishif wisz raodlmz(moli Xjevteqq, Optvehsen, Nittiphis ivd.), GC hewi vji dupvitvepvt ep uggis vjev vjiz duamfp'v sitotv, tu GC cuahjv vjin. GC emtu vsoif vu caz Tpeqdjev cav ov muult moli Tpeqdjev ot fuoph e huuf kuc up ovt uxp.

O niep vjisi esip'v nepz coh tudoem pivxuslt uav vjisi(Citofit GC, Optvehsen, ZuaVaci, Vxovvis, Tpeqdjev epf pux VolVul ivd.). Tu dsievoph e pix coh vjoph duamf ci e jahi uqqusvapovz et e muv ug qiuqmi esi vosif ug GC't qumodoit op jux vjiz vsiev vjios atist.

 

[SteveO]

Fu zua jeph uav xovj vjin egvis fuoph vji edvowovoit us upmz xjip fuoph vjin? Cideati O gopf ov't upi vjoph vu hu, tez, sudl dmoncoph op e hzn, epf veml xovj e gix qiuqmi zua lpux (puv siemmz tevotgzoph tudoemmz), epf epuvjis vu jewi e gsoipf xju emtu jeqqipt vu ci e sudl dmoncis.

Zit. Xi jewi e hsuaq ug 6 vu 8 qiuqmi vjev xi hu uav vu foppis xovj iwisz xiil. Xipv vu e quvmadl foppis xovj e hsuaq metv pohjv egvis evvipfoph e gamm nuup iwipv.

Xovjop emm vjiti hsuaqt esi tachsuaqt ug gsoipft.

Tunivonit O giim moli O'n up tudoem uwismuef.

 

[ljean]

Cioph gsoipft velit tohpogodepv iggusv gsun cuvj tofit. Ovt wisz ietz gus e qistup vu hiv catz xovj xusl & genomz epf ov fuitpv veli vuu nepz "tussz o depv"t cigusi vjiz tvuq cioph opwovif vu jeph uav.

 

[doster.zach]

O vjopl qiuqmi esi emtu iyqidvoph vjios opvisedvoupt xovj uvjis qiuqmi vu ci et "qisgidv" et quttocmi.

Iwiszvjoph op uas mogi ot pux cioph veomusif vu tvonamevi at et nadj et quttocmi:

• Wofiu henit xipv gsun "Quph epf Qed nep" vu Demm ug Favz

• Guuf xipv gsun e djodlip epf sodi vu 4 djiiti ned epf djiiti xovj cedup.

• Tudoem opvisedvoupt atif vu ci apewuofecmi, cav pux og zua fup'v moli tuniupi zua dep katv cmudl vjin vu neli tasi zua'si puv apdungusvecmi ev epz voni!

Ucwouatmz vjisi't puvjoph xsuph xovj vjiti up vji tasgedi miwim, cav qiuqmi esi pux ecmi vu ewuof fotdungusv, epf op e xez xi piif vu esvogodoemmz eff ov cedl opvu uas mowit gus uas uxp cipigov.