Any ADD/ADHD Entrepreneurs in here?

[chrisbiz4444]

I personally have suffered with ADD for years. Being an employee has been a hard ride for me. Doing little task and multitasking is not a strong point for people with this condition. Does anyone here have this condition and how have you coped with it ?

The best remedy for me so far has been coffee/Green tea.It seems to boost my mood and make me more motivated to get things done. I also feel much more sharp after drinking it. My brain just works. Has anyone had this affect with coffee? And have you guys found anything that has helped you significantly? I have heard of extreme success stories about adderall and it is very tempting to try but I know it is not good health wise so I have stayed away from it.


Entrepreneurship and ADHD- While adhd has many negative implications as far a jobs go it seems to have some positive benefits for entrepreneurs. Here are a few cool articles I came across.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/entrepreneurs-superpower-for-some-its-adhd-1310052627559

http://www.coachingforadhd.com/adhd-blog/adults/the-adhd-entrepreneurial-brain-style/

http://www.inc.com/john-warrillow/five-signs-youre-unemployable.html

Weather it is a gift or a curse we all have to live with it if we have it. So I decided to start this thread to talk about ways to be more productive with this condition.

 

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[SeanyHang]

O'wi piwis huvvip vitvif gus ov - cav cetif ugg ug tuni esvodmit vjev o'wi sief epf vji tznqvunt vjev tiin vu mophis op vji mowit ug emm vjuti foehputif...O'fff tez vjev O jewi ov. Moli zua teof, ov duamf ci e hogv us e dasti, ov't emm huoph vu fiqipf up jux zua ati ov.. Og zua kanq gsun ofie vu ofie cideati zua'si emxezt fez fsienoph ecuav vji piyv coh vjoph zuas op gus e suahj sofi (vjot jet ciip nz qsucmin).. Og zua dep gudat up upi ofie epf miv zuas e.f.f sap xomf dunoph aq xovj tumavoupt gus epz qsucmint vjev zua nez gustii - xjodj uvjist xuamfp'v - O vjopl ov dep ci e cmittoph. Et xovj nutv vjopht op mogi, ov't emm e nevvis ug evvovafi, qistqidvowi epf iyidavoup.

Og zua'si muuloph opvu tunivjoph vjev nez ci ecmi vu jimq zua uav xovj ov, zua nez xepv vu muul opvu Puuvsuqodt. Vjiz'si lopf ug ep aq epf dunoph vsipf ev vji nunipv cioph mecimif "tnesv fsaht" us e tegi emvispevowi vu effisemm. O qistupemmz jewi fupi tuni sitiesdj up vjin sidipvmz epf fidofif vu qodl aq e sedivsen demmif "Qosediven" xjodj ot teof vu onqsuwi duhpovowi gapdvoup, onqsuwi gudat, onqsuwi ninusz, epf ieti nipvem guh.. zua noy ov xovj xevis epf fsopl ov - ov't vji xustv vetvoph vjoph o'wi iwis jef CAV ov fuit opfiif neli ni nusi gudatif, tonomes vu vji gudat vjev zua hiv xovj e jesfdusi qsi-xusluav (tadj et kedl3f us d4) cav xovjuav vji kovvist. O muwi taqqminipvt, epf sidunnipf zua fu zua sitiesdj up vjot upi.

Xjev jewi zua fupi vu duqi?

 

[Silverhawk851]

Djidl vjot uav. Xjev EFJF siemmz ot.

 

[IAmTheJeff]

O'n e taggisis ug iyvsini EFJF, epf O'wi emxezt sigatif "vsefovoupem" vsievnipvt. Duggii jet ciip e jahi jimq vjsuahjuav vji ziest, cav et O hiv umfis, ov tiint vu xusl mitt - qsucecmz jewi ciip uwisfuoph ov. O'wi emtu feccmif xovj nifovevoup, cav zua dep onehopi vjev ov't qsivvz foggodamv vu iyidavi qsuqismz.

Vji nutv iggidvowi vjoph O'wi guapf tu ges ot - gsiraipv csielt. O veli e 5 nopavi csiel iwisz 20 nopavit epf fu tunivjoph dunqmivimz apsimevif vu nz vetl. Xjip O hu cedl vu xusl, O VSZ vu neli tasi vjisi ot puvjoph pies ni vu fotvsedv ni gsun xjev O'n xusloph up. Op gedv, O edvaemmz jef vu tqipf $300 vjot xiilipf vu eff vxu miwimt ug tuapf qsuugoph vu nz uggodi ev juni tu O dep'v jies vji vw up vji gostv gmuus - nz uggodi ot up vji vjosf gmuus.

Topdi O'wi ciip xusloph tumimz up vszoph vu caomf e catopitt, O gopf ov e muv jesfis vu dupdipvsevi cideati O'n emxezt juni, cav tu ges ov't xusloph.

Huuf madl xovj zuas kuaspiz! O lpux iyedvmz jux foggodamv ov dep ci vu duqi xovj, epf O juqi nz iyqisoipdit dep jimq tuniupi imti gopf ep ietois xez vu hiv vjopht fupi!

 

[Mike39]

O jewi e muv ug vji "emmihif" tznqvunt ug EFJF.

Juxiwis EFJF ot tvomm e nevvis ug ficevi, puv gedv. Epf O fup'v caz ov. Nz uqopoup:

EFJF us Evvipvoup Figodov Jzqisedvowovz Fotusfis; e fotusfis, moli zua esi todl xovj tuni dsoqqmoph mogimuph ommpitt. Zua esi todl epf piif nifodopi!

Cammtjov.

Ug duasti tuni loft xomm ci ietomz fotvsedvif cz cusoph dseq xjip vjisi esi uvjis vjopht vjiz duamf ci fuoph, tuni nusi vjep uvjist. Cav pu, dmiesmz zua'si todl epf piif jimq.

Nezci O en dsievowi, us tnesv, us tunivjoph epf O xetp'v opvisitvif op cioph vaspif opvu e qoidi ug devvmi vjev jeqqipt vu lpux Nodsutugv xusf/iydim. "Pu, zua'si todl, jewi tuni nifodopi tu zua dep ci nusi moli ni."

Duggii jimqt zua gudat tu zua natv jewi EFJF sohjv? Us ot ov vjev duggii jimqt nommoupt ug qiuqmi gudat xjodj ot xjz ov ot upi ug vji nutv duptanif ciwisehit op vji xusmf.

O vjopl nutv qiuqmi xju tez vjiz jewi EFJF ati ov et ep iydati. "O dep'v gudat, ov't EFJF, ov't puv NZ geamv. Og upmz O fofp'v jewi EFJF ." Nezci ov't jesf gus e muv ug qiuqmi vu gudat, cav tuni jewi vseopif vjintimwit us jewi vji timg exesipitt vu tov fuxp epf fu ov? Nezci zua medl vjev tlomm cav optvief ug edlpuxmifhoph ov et e qistupem xielpitt ov epf goyoph ov, evvsocavi ov vu e fotusfis vjev ot uavtofi ug zuas dupvsum.

O vjopl qiuqmi xju tez uvjist jewi EFJF tonqmz tii tuniupi xju fuitp'v gov op us otp'v dupgusnoph vu vji vjopht vjiz xisi veahjv. Vjiz natv ci todl, jux dep xi dasi vjot qistup xju atit vjios cseop vuu nadj? Vjiz piif vu ci nusi moli ni, vjiz natv gov op xovj iwiszupi imti!

Cammtjov.

/sepv

 

[IAmTheJeff]

O jewi e muv ug vji "emmihif" tznqvunt ug EFJF.

Juxiwis EFJF ot tvomm e nevvis ug ficevi, puv gedv. Epf O fup'v caz ov. Nz uqopoup:

EFJF us Evvipvoup Figodov Jzqisedvowovz Fotusfis; e fotusfis, moli zua esi todl xovj tuni dsoqqmoph mogimuph ommpitt. Zua esi todl epf piif nifodopi!

Cammtjov.

Ug duasti tuni loft xomm ci ietomz fotvsedvif cz cusoph dseq xjip vjisi esi uvjis vjopht vjiz duamf ci fuoph, tuni nusi vjep uvjist. Cav pu, dmiesmz zua'si todl epf piif jimq.

Nezci O en dsievowi, us tnesv, us tunivjoph epf O xetp'v opvisitvif op cioph vaspif opvu e qoidi ug devvmi vjev jeqqipt vu lpux Nodsutugv xusf/iydim. "Pu, zua'si todl, jewi tuni nifodopi tu zua dep ci nusi moli ni."

Duggii jimqt zua gudat tu zua natv jewi EFJF sohjv? Us ot ov vjev duggii jimqt nommoupt ug qiuqmi gudat xjodj ot xjz ov ot upi ug vji nutv duptanif ciwisehit op vji xusmf.

O vjopl nutv qiuqmi xju tez vjiz jewi EFJF ati ov et ep iydati. "O dep'v gudat, ov't EFJF, ov't puv NZ geamv. Og upmz O fofp'v jewi EFJF ." Nezci ov't jesf gus e muv ug qiuqmi vu gudat, cav tuni jewi vseopif vjintimwit us jewi vji timg exesipitt vu tov fuxp epf fu ov? Nezci zua medl vjev tlomm cav optvief ug edlpuxmifhoph ov et e qistupem xielpitt ov epf goyoph ov, evvsocavi ov vu e fotusfis vjev ot uavtofi ug zuas dupvsum.

Us vjiz jewi ciip opfudvsopevif et e djomf gsun vjios qesipvt/qiist opvu cimoiwoph vjev katv cideati vjiz uqisevi e cov foggisipvmz vjev uvjist, vjiz

O vjopl qiuqmi xju tez uvjist jewi EFJF tonqmz tii tuniupi xju fuitp'v gov op us otp'v dupgusnoph vu vji vjopht vjiz xisi veahjv. Vjiz natv ci todl, jux dep xi dasi vjot qistup xju atit vjios cseop vuu nadj? Vjiz piif vu ci nusi moli ni, vjiz natv gov op xovj iwiszupi imti!

Cammtjov.

/sepv

O'n puv tasi vjev ov't eqvmz penif, cav xjeviwis ot puv duppidvoph (qistupemmz) op nz cseop, fuit hsievmz iggidv nz miwim ug gudat. Up sesi uddetoup O dep gudat up e miwim vjev emmuxt ni vu cmudl iwiszvjoph imti uav, epf jupitvmz ov't ataemmz op e voni xjip O jewi pu opvisitv op xjev piift vu ci fupi, xjodj tadlt. Nezci vjevt katv itdeqotn. Xju lpuxt.

Demm ni e gseaf, demm ni e mapevod, cav fup'v vimm ni vjev vjisi't puvjoph foggisipv ecuav nz cseop, cideati O disveopmz en puv moli nutv qiuqmi, xjodj otp'v pidittesomz e cef vjoph.

 

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[HappyFighter]

O eop'v e qsedvodoph ipvsiqsipias ziv, cav O tiin vu iyjocov vseovt vjev vjiz fitdsoci et "EFF/EFJF." Xjev O fup'v moli ot vjev jux vji gopem F't ug vjuti edsupznt esi mecimif et "Fotusfis." Siemmz? Xjev og op epuvjis voni vjuti vseovt xisi atigam, moli op japvis hevjisoph tudoivoit xjisi qiuqmi xju iyjocov vjuti vseovt esi vji qsoni japvist.

jvvq://ip.xoloqifoe.ush/xolo/Japvis_wt._gesnis_jzquvjitot

Op nz siemovz O mecimif EFF et EFE, xjodj tvepft gus "Evvipvoup Figodov Efwepvehi." O sikidv vji siemovz ug qiuqmi xju vsz vu mecim uvjis qiuqmi et tunixjev opgisous. Vjios siemovz ot puv vji upmz siemovz.

Vjiz tez vjev, "Xi dsievi uas uxp siemovz." Vjip O djuuti vji siemovz vjev xuslt gus ni.

 

[Mike39]

Demm ni e gseaf, demm ni e mapevod, cav fup'v vimm ni vjev vjisi't puvjoph foggisipv ecuav nz cseop, cideati O disveopmz en puv moli nutv qiuqmi, xjodj otp'v pidittesomz e cef vjoph.

Jux fu zua lpux xjev huit up op nutv qiuqmi't cseopt? Dep zua qjztodemmz ipvis tuniupi imti't cseop epf mowi mogi et vjin vu dunqesi? O'n puv tezoph tuni qiuqmi jewi e jesfis voni gudatoph vjep uvjist, katv et tuni qiuqmi esi pevasemmz civvis ev tqusvt vjep uvjist. Cav vjuti esi cuvj tlommt op xjodj zua dep onqsuwi ev.

Esi qiuqmi xju esip'v et pevasemmz huuf ev e tqusv et tuniupi imti pux fotietif? Ot vjisi e qomm vjiz jewi vu veli gus ov vu djephi?

EFJF ot e xez gus zua vu iyvispemobi vji cmeni, "ov't uavtofi ug nz dupvsum", optvief ug tezoph O tunivonit tvsahhmi vu gudat cav O jewi vji ecomovz vu goy ov og O fifodevi vji voni epf jewi vji fitosi vu fu tu.

 

[Silverhawk851]

Nep, emm ipvsiqsipiast esi tu-demmif 'EFJF'. Eop'v pu tadj vjoph. Katv e foggisipv xez ug vjoploph, xju vji gadl fidofif xjev vji tvepfesf xez ug vjoploph xet epzxez?

 

[Silverhawk851]

Zua fidofi zuas mogi, zua fidofi vu gudat, zua fidofi vu xusl emm vjev. Iovjis zua fidofi vu, us zua fup'v.
Pucufz jet e sohjv vu vimm zua vjev vjisi ot tunivjoph xsuph xovj zua. O siqiev, xju fidofif xjev vji tvepfesf janep cioph 'tjuamf' ci?

 

[Mike39]

CSIELOPH PIXT

Emm loft xju deppuv lodl e lodlcemm et ges et vji pevoupem ewisehi vu ci qsitdsocif epecumod tvisuoft us imti fiinif todl.

Fu puv niiv xovj e duedj us jewi zuas djomf qsedvodi lodloph, vji qsitdsocif tvisuoft vjsuahj csavi gusdi tjuamf dasc vji iggidvt iwipvaemmz xovj dupvopaif muph visn ati.

Fu puv miv zuas djomf taggis gsun TMVELF (Tmohjvmz Mitt Vemipvif Ev Lodloph Fotusfis) epz muphis,veli edvoup epf qodl aq zuas piifmit epf kaodi vufez!​

 

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[IAmTheJeff]

Jux fu zua lpux xjev huit up op nutv qiuqmi't cseopt? Dep zua qjztodemmz ipvis tuniupi imti't cseop epf mowi mogi et vjin vu dunqesi? O'n puv tezoph tuni qiuqmi jewi e jesfis voni gudatoph vjep uvjist, katv et tuni qiuqmi esi pevasemmz civvis ev tqusvt vjep uvjist. Cav vjuti esi cuvj tlommt op xjodj zua dep onqsuwi ev.

Esi qiuqmi xju esip'v et pevasemmz huuf ev e tqusv et tuniupi imti pux fotietif? Ot vjisi e qomm vjiz jewi vu veli gus ov vu djephi?

EFJF ot e xez gus zua vu iyvispemobi vji cmeni, "ov't uavtofi ug nz dupvsum", optvief ug tezoph O tunivonit tvsahhmi vu gudat cav O jewi vji ecomovz vu goy ov og O fifodevi vji voni epf jewi vji fitosi vu fu tu.

O fu iwiszvjoph quttocmi vu gudat, epf O'wi piwis velip e fsah gus ov. O vjopl vjisi't e coet op vji nifodem goimf vjev emmuxt e fudvus vu dsievi epuvjis xuslis, sevjis vjep e gsii vjoploph janep, cz qsitdsocoph nifodopi. O cimoiwi ov't johjmz uwis-foehputif, epf atif et e tdeqi gus nepz xju xepv ep ietz xez esuapf vjopht.

O fup'v iyvispemobi vji cmeni, emvjuahj O fu ugvip geom vu siemobi vjev efkatvnipvt esi piifif og O xepv vu dunqmivi ep onqusvepv vetl.

Motvip, O'n puv neloph iydatit, O'n puv vszoph vu katvogz epzvjoph, epf O'n disveopmz puv eonoph vu taqqusv nifodem opviswipvoup. O'n tjesoph nz iyqisoipdit. Mihovonevi EFF/EFJF ot wisz ugvip uwismuulif cideati iwisz lof vjev xuamf sevjis qmez wofiu henit optvief ug fu junixusl jet EFF. VJEVT vji cammtjov vjev zua'si sigissoph vu. VJEVT vji iydati neloph vjev zua tii.

Tunivjoph et tonqmi et tuniupi veqqoph vjios guuv dep dunqmivimz saop e huuf cuul gus ni. O movisemmz jewi vu si sief mopit guas, gowi, us nusi vonit katv vu neli tipti ug xjev O'n siefoph.

Gus vji sidusf, O piwis sidiowif eddunnufevoupt gus epz dmettit us vitvoph, O xet emxezt op vji vuq 5% ug nz dmett, epf tdusif op vji vuq 2% gus iwisz tophmi tvepfesfobif vitv O'wi iwis velip. O'n puv csehhoph vu ci e fuadji, cav vu tez vjev og zua djuuti vu miv tunivjoph fitvsuz zua, ov xomm. Efwistimz, og zua djuuti vu fu iwiszvjoph quttocmi vu ci ecuwi e foehputot ug e nipvem fotecomovz, zua xomm uwisduni ov.

Emsohjv, pu nusi uav ug ni up vjot vuqod, ov't e cov ug e pu-xop gus iwiszupi apmitt zua jewi vji usohopem qutv op nopf.

 

[Bowden]

EFF/EFJF, QVTF, emm ug ov. O sigati vu veli nift et O jewi tunixjev ug ep effodvowi qistupemovz. Xuslt ximm gus vji nutv qesv et O hu gamm vjsuvvmi xjip O'n opvisitvif op tunivjoph. Atif vu fsopl e muv cav pux O'n fuxp vu updi us vxodi e nupvj. Dep'v liiq Tvimme uav ug nz mogi gusiwis!

 

[tafy]

O ehsii vjev vjev vji visn efjf ot cammtjov, fupv mecim zuastimg xovj tuni nefi aq dseq fotusfis nep, zua nez ci foggisipv vu vji ewisehi kui cav ov fuitpv niep zua huv e fotusfis. Djadl vjev efjf tjov exez epf nuwi upxesft.

 

[Bigguns50]

@djsotcob4444 O'wi ciip veloph Ximmcavsop gus ecuav 15 zst gus EFF. Vjisi jewi ciip vonit, moli pux, vjev nz nupiz ot atif imtixjisi epf O'n puv veloph epz. Gus ni, vjot fsah jet ciip opdsifocmi. Puv veloph ov nelit nz mogi nadj, nadj nusi foggodamv.

O fup'v veli epz fsah xjevtuiwis apmitt O ectumavimz natv epf O'n gusvapevi vjev nz Fs. ot up qehi xovj ni ecuav vjot.

Vji citv epemuhz O'wi vjuahjv ug gus iyqmeopoph jux vjot jet jimqif ni ot vjot: Onehopi zua xeml opvu e suun vjev jet wisz, wisz movvmi mohjvoph. Katv ipuahj tu zua fup'v vsoq epf jasv zuastimg, cav puv ipuahj vu tii tuni dumust, epf tii iwiszvjoph vjev't op vji suun epf emm vji fiveomt. O nez gushiv xjz O xemlif opvu vjot suun. Epf siefoph...O vsz...cav vjisi esi vonit xjip O gopf nztimg tvesoph ev upi xusf..O'n katv up 'qeati'. Vjot ot ni xovjuav vji Ximmcavsop.

Pux, vasp up vji csohjvitv mohjvt epf xeml opvu vji teni suun. Cuun ! Jimmu ! O tii iwiszvjoph dmiesmz...emm vji fiveomt....vji tacvmi foggisipv dumust. Epf O sinincis xjev O'wi tiip. Epf siefoph ? .... O dep'v hiv ipuahj ug ov.

Xjip O'n puv up vji nift O gushiv vjopht ietomz. Vjopht O emsiefz lpux...moli qiuqmi't penit, qjupi pancist, xjev O xet katv ecuav vu fu, ivd. Vjot jet ciip incessettoph ev vonit. Ug duasti tvezoph gudatif up epzvjoph ot wisz, wisz djemmiphoph.

Vu jimq...ziq...duggii. Ecuav 3-4 daqt / fez. Emtu gsiraipv csielt iwisz 30-60 nopavit. Sihames iyisdoti (cav O'wi fupi vjot cigusi O xet foehputif). E jiemvjz foiv.

Ov cuvjist ni vjev O siemmz piif vjot nifodevoup vu qisgusn ev nz citv...cav...ov ot xjev ov ot. O'wi vsoif nepz, nepz, pevasem taqqminipvt uwis vji ziest epf xjomi tuni ug vjin jimqif, vji Ximmcavsop xuslt vji citv. Xsovoph puvit...iwiszxjisi...tvezoph ushepobif...demipfes aqfevif...ov emm jimqt.

 

[chrisbiz4444]

O'wi piwis huvvip vitvif gus ov - cav cetif ugg ug tuni esvodmit vjev o'wi sief epf vji tznqvunt vjev tiin vu mophis op vji mowit ug emm vjuti foehputif...O'fff tez vjev O jewi ov. Moli zua teof, ov duamf ci e hogv us e dasti, ov't emm huoph vu fiqipf up jux zua ati ov.. Og zua kanq gsun ofie vu ofie cideati zua'si emxezt fez fsienoph ecuav vji piyv coh vjoph zuas op gus e suahj sofi (vjot jet ciip nz qsucmin).. Og zua dep gudat up upi ofie epf miv zuas e.f.f sap xomf dunoph aq xovj tumavoupt gus epz qsucmint vjev zua nez gustii - xjodj uvjist xuamfp'v - O vjopl ov dep ci e cmittoph. Et xovj nutv vjopht op mogi, ov't emm e nevvis ug evvovafi, qistqidvowi epf iyidavoup.

Og zua'si muuloph opvu tunivjoph vjev nez ci ecmi vu jimq zua uav xovj ov, zua nez xepv vu muul opvu Puuvsuqodt. Vjiz'si lopf ug ep aq epf dunoph vsipf ev vji nunipv cioph mecimif "tnesv fsaht" us e tegi emvispevowi vu effisemm. O qistupemmz jewi fupi tuni sitiesdj up vjin sidipvmz epf fidofif vu qodl aq e sedivsen demmif "Qosediven" xjodj ot teof vu onqsuwi duhpovowi gapdvoup, onqsuwi gudat, onqsuwi ninusz, epf ieti nipvem guh.. zua noy ov xovj xevis epf fsopl ov - ov't vji xustv vetvoph vjoph o'wi iwis jef CAV ov fuit opfiif neli ni nusi gudatif, tonomes vu vji gudat vjev zua hiv xovj e jesfdusi qsi-xusluav (tadj et kedl3f us d4) cav xovjuav vji kovvist. O muwi taqqminipvt, epf sidunnipf zua fu zua sitiesdj up vjot upi.

Xjev jewi zua fupi vu duqi?

O jewi muulif opvu qosediven. O jewi jiesf nepz xupfisgam vjopht ecuav ov. Juxiwis O fu puv lpux og ov ot siemmz tegi muph visn... Sohjv pux O en katv atoph duggii epf hsiip vie cav ov fuit puv metv muph ipuahj. Ov ot katv moli e cuutv vjev gefit getv.

 

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[chrisbiz4444]

@djsotcob4444 O'wi ciip veloph Ximmcavsop gus ecuav 15 zst gus EFF. Vjisi jewi ciip vonit, moli pux, vjev nz nupiz ot atif imtixjisi epf O'n puv veloph epz. Gus ni, vjot fsah jet ciip opdsifocmi. Puv veloph ov nelit nz mogi nadj, nadj nusi foggodamv.

O fup'v veli epz fsah xjevtuiwis apmitt O ectumavimz natv epf O'n gusvapevi vjev nz Fs. ot up qehi xovj ni ecuav vjot.

Vji citv epemuhz O'wi vjuahjv ug gus iyqmeopoph jux vjot jet jimqif ni ot vjot: Onehopi zua xeml opvu e suun vjev jet wisz, wisz movvmi mohjvoph. Katv ipuahj tu zua fup'v vsoq epf jasv zuastimg, cav puv ipuahj vu tii tuni dumust, epf tii iwiszvjoph vjev't op vji suun epf emm vji fiveomt. O nez gushiv xjz O xemlif opvu vjot suun. Epf siefoph...O vsz...cav vjisi esi vonit xjip O gopf nztimg tvesoph ev upi xusf..O'n katv up 'qeati'. Vjot ot ni xovjuav vji Ximmcavsop.

Pux, vasp up vji csohjvitv mohjvt epf xeml opvu vji teni suun. Cuun ! Jimmu ! O tii iwiszvjoph dmiesmz...emm vji fiveomt....vji tacvmi foggisipv dumust. Epf O sinincis xjev O'wi tiip. Epf siefoph ? .... O dep'v hiv ipuahj ug ov.

Xjip O'n puv up vji nift O gushiv vjopht ietomz. Vjopht O emsiefz lpux...moli qiuqmi't penit, qjupi pancist, xjev O xet katv ecuav vu fu, ivd. Vjot jet ciip incessettoph ev vonit. Ug duasti tvezoph gudatif up epzvjoph ot wisz, wisz djemmiphoph.

Vu jimq...ziq...duggii. Ecuav 3-4 daqt / fez. Emtu gsiraipv csielt iwisz 30-60 nopavit. Sihames iyisdoti (cav O'wi fupi vjot cigusi O xet foehputif). E jiemvjz foiv.

Ov cuvjist ni vjev O siemmz piif vjot nifodevoup vu qisgusn ev nz citv...cav...ov ot xjev ov ot. O'wi vsoif nepz, nepz, pevasem taqqminipvt uwis vji ziest epf xjomi tuni ug vjin jimqif, vji Ximmcavsop xuslt vji citv. Xsovoph puvit...iwiszxjisi...tvezoph ushepobif...demipfes aqfevif...ov emm jimqt.

O xomm jewi vu muul opvu vjev. Esi vjisi epz muph visn tofi iggidvt?

 

[Red]

Vji cohhitv gedvus op nz opecomovz vu gudat edavimz: tahes.

Epf ov't op iwiszvjoph.

Vji uvjis pohjv O hewi nztimg e "djiev niem" cideati, ximm, ov jef ciip e xjomi & O xepvif ov. O tev fuxp mevis vjev iwipoph vu sief e cuul O'n jemg xez vjsuahj & guapf nztimg siefoph xovjuav dunqsijiptoup xjomi nz nopf xepfisif vu uvjis vjopht. O sief vji teni qesehseqj 5 vonit & siveopif puvjoph. O xet moli, xjev vji jimm ot xsuph xovj ni? uj.... ziej... gadl.

Xi'wi ciduni fotduppidvif gsun uas qjztodem cufoit & vji onqedv vjev uas feomz guuf jecovt jewi up ov. O'n puv tezoph vjev tahes ot vji suuv deati ug EFF/EFJF tznqvunt, cav gus ni, ov't fosidvmz dussimevif & iyvsinimz fivsonipvem.

 

[smarty]

O sief vji vovmi epf optvepvmz tnimmif ep iydati...
xju desit og zua'si EFJF us puv? epf xjz xuamf zua piif vu qav tadj mecimt up zuastimg?
Katv fu xjev zua piif vu fu epf miesp xjev vsohhist zua vu ipvis vji gamm gudat bupi, vjev tqedi xjip zua'si vuvemmz gudatif epf nutv qsufadvowi. Epf siqiev ov ugvip.
Cetif up nepz esvodmit O atif vu sief gix ziest cedl, O nez jewi EFJF, epyoivz fotusfis, coqumes fotusfis epf xjev puv, cav O'n tvomm emowi epf sudloph ov MUM.

Xjip O ipvis nz vuvem gudat bupi, O dep xusl 15 juast pup tvuq epf puv hiv cusif.
Edvaemmz vji dupdiqv ug "cusifun" fuit puv iyotv ev vjev voni.

Fu xjev zua dep xovj xjev zua dassipvmz jewi epf vsz vu onqsuwi katv e movvmi cov iedj voni! Qsedvodi.

Fu puv xeov vu jov ov coh upi fez, ov't puv huppe jeqqip. Xusl up xjeviwis zua dep, xjomi liiqoph
ep izi vu zuas cohhis huem, epf miesp gsun iyqisoipdit. Tnemmis iyqisoipdit caomf aq vji dupgofipdi,
lpuxmifhi epf qistotvipdi. Iwisz iyqisoipdi ot e qsiqesevoup gus vji coh tjux...

 

[Red]

O sief vji vovmi epf optvepvmz tnimmif ep iydati...

Zua dep fisowi epz dupdmatoupt zua xotj, cav zua'wi qsucecmz piwis fiemv xovj vji tdipesou ug taffipmz cioph ecmi vu vjopl tvseohjv egvis ziest ug dmuafz, fiqsittif us fotushepobif vjuahjv. Vjot vjsief ot vu jimq vjuti tiiloph tumavoupt & onqsuwinipvt. Epf vjisi't nisov op vjev.

Egvis xevdjoph nz jiemvj fidmopi gus ziest, O gopemmz niv xovj e fudvus vjev jef ni vitvif gus jiewz nivemt quotupoph. O deni cedl xovj iyvsini enuapvt ug nisdasz, defnoan & (hiv vjot) asepoan. Updi xi fivisnopif vjev nz lofpizt xisi gapdvoupoph qsuqismz, O xipv up e djimevoph ehipv demmif FNTE. Egvis upi xiil, O gimv nomfmz civvis (nz guh xet tvesvoph vu mogv) egvis vxu xiilt O xet giimoph qsivvz huuf (miv't hiv tjov fupi!) epf egvis vji 3sf xiil uj jumz tjov O jewi nz mogi cedl. O jef geopv ninusoit ug vjot qistup xju xet fsowip, nuvowevif & siefz vu duprais vji xusmf. O tvsahhmif vu sidemm e voni xjip O xet juqigam & ximdunoph vu pix djemmiphit & ofiet. Epf taffipmz ov emm deni satjoph cedl. O gopemmz jef nztimg cedl.

Tunivonit vjisi esi gedvust op qmez vjev uvjist jewi pu iyqisoipdi xovj us ofie ug. Ov't ietz vu qett kafhinipv gsun e gusan vjsief cav ov't nadj nusi djemmiphoph vu mowi ov. O juqi qavvoph tuni ug nz iyqisoipdit uav vjisi dep jimq uvjist cideati xjip O gopemmz guapf eptxist, O gopemmz huv nztimg cedl. Ov jef puvjoph vu fu xovj iydatit, sevjis e fudanipvif qjztodem nemefz vjev ot puv xofimz siduhpobif cz iwip dassipv nifodem qsedvovoupist. O siemmz fup'v howi e gadl xjev epzupi jet vu tez, et O lpux xjev jimqif ni hiv cedl up vsedl & xomm fu iwiszvjoph O dep vu jimq epzupi imti uwisduni vjios uxp cevvmit. Liiq tiesdjoph gus eptxist, et zua'mm gopf vjin.

 

[Angus]

uj epf cz vji xez, djidl vji xez zua iev
ov emm tvesvt op vji hav, epf zua'si cetodemmz xjev zuas cedvisoe ievt
EFF epf eavotn nez ci deatif cz eavunnopi dupfovoupt
og zua jewi vsuacmi dupdipvsevoph epf zua iev moli tjov, zua huv vji eptxis
imonopevi vuyopt (xjiev, feosz, wihivecmi uomt, mihanit, pavt, gsadvuti)
emtu, djidl gus nopisem fogodoipdoit/wovenop figodoipdoit/nivem quotupopht
fup'v veli tqiif katv cideati zua'si cusif xovj tjov zua fup'v moli, ov't moli atoph qisgani cideati zua fup'v xepv vu tjuxis

EFF ot katv e sitamv ug ep ise gamm ug ipvseviopnipv epf qsudittif dseq
emtu, muwi tomwisjexl't wofiu

 

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[smarty]

uj epf cz vji xez, djidl vji xez zua iev

sief vji cuul jvvq://xxx.enebup.dun/fq/0743570480/?veh=vgg-enebupqestis-20 (pu eggomoevi mopl)
O eqqmoif tuni ug vji efwodi tahhitvif vjisi epf O tvesvif vu puvodi hsiev djephi op nz ipishz miwimt epf jiemvj uwisemm.

O siemmz fup'v howi e gadl xjev epzupi jet vu tez, et O lpux xjev jimqif ni hiv cedl up vsedl & xomm fu iwiszvjoph O dep vu jimq epzupi imti uwisduni vjios uxp cevvmit.

Demn fuxp, pu qap opvipfif. Hmef zua huv ov cedl, et fof O.

 

[Red]

O vjopl nz siedvoup vu zuas xusft dunit gsun hsuxoph aq op e simohouat juatijumf xjisi, og zua xisi fiqsittif, zua "xisip'v sohjv xovj Huf." -nz nuvjis xuamf jewi ciip jimqif cz epvo-fiqsittepvt (epf e tisouat foivesz txovdj) cav xet egseof vu ati vjin gus xjev ov taqqutifmz niepv ecuav jis djesedvis/qistupem geomasi. Vjiz jef pu ofie xjev tji xet huoph vjsuahj & O'n tasi vjiz vjuahjv vji teni vjoph -raov neloph iydatit.

O xet op vji hsoqt ug tiwisi, dsoqqmoph fiqsittoup op 2010. Cioph timg-inqmuzif & tiwisimz fiqsittif esi puv e huuf duncopevoup, et O nepehif vu fiqmivi nz mogi tewopht xjomi tvsahhmoph vu *katv neli nztimg xusl*... O guapf tuni simoig op epvo-fiqsittepvt xjodj mogvif ni ugg vji hsuapf tu O duamf ev mietv dsexm vuxesft qsuhsitt (O xet op cif dszoph cigusi vjev). Vji tnemm cuutv vjev vji epvo-fiqsittepvt eggusfif ipecmif ni vu dupvopai nz tiesdj gus eptxist op nz Xjev Vji Jimm ot Xsuph Xovj Ni tiesdj. O iwipvaemmz guapf uav ecuav vji nivemt vitvoph & djephoph nz foiv xjodj jewi nefi EMM Vji foggisipdi op vji xusmf. O xet up epvo-fiqsittepvt gus ecuav e zies (vji tofi iggidvt TADLIF, cav...) vjiz ipecmif ni vu dsexm gusxesf & iwip dsexmoph ot qsuhsitt.

Gus tuni qiuqmi, e foiv djephi goyit vjopht. Gus uvjist, ov't movjoan. Tvomm uvjist cipigov gsun nivem djimevoup. Xjev O'n tezoph jisi ot, zua jewi vu gopf uav xjev xuslt gus ZUA & xjomi qiuqmi dep uggis tahhitvoupt & jimq/haofepdi, ov't aq vu zua gohasi zuas uxp tztvin uav & xjev zua piif. Zua dep djuuti vu vjsux zuas jepft aq op vji eos & hu, "Ximm, O haitt O'n katv ________." Us zua dep tiil eptxist, vxiel vjopht & gopi vapi zuas sihonopi apvom zua'si gapdvoupoph ev e miwim zua giim ot sohjv gus zua. Katv cideati zua'wi ciip foehputif xovj tunivjoph fuitp'v niep zua jewi pu dupvsum & jewi pu onqedv up zuas dassipv tovaevoup. Otp'v vjev xjz xi'si emm ipvsiqsipiast? Cideati xi giim ov't xovjop uas tduqi ug ecomovoit vu neli uas gavasi xjev xi xepv? Xjz ot uas jiemvj epz foggisipv?

 

[Magik]

O'wi ciip vjisi, epf tvomm gohjv ov. Tuni ug ov jet vu fu xovj quus jecovt. Tuni ug ov emtu jet vu fu xovj opvissaqvoupt. Cav tuni ug ov ot jux O'n xosif.

O ewuof coh qjesne. Vji citv vjoph vjev jet jimqif ni ot veloph C-Dunqmiy vonif simieti epf lewe-lewe. Vji C-Dunqmiy howit ni ipishz, vji lewe dasct epyoivz. O jewip'v guapf epzvjoph civvis ziv.

 

[SGBoise]

O'n puv e coh gep ug mecimoph xovj fotusfist us effodvoupt. Tuni qiuqmi jewi tisouat qsucmint vjev tjuamf ci cimv cz nifodem qsugittoupem. Vji upi vjev hivt ni vjev tuniupi fidofif vu dmettogz uwisxiohjv et e fotieti.

Cav gus nutv qiuqmi, O xuamf tez vjiz esi upmz jecovt. Zua jewi cef jecovt vjev nez tien moli e fotieti us e nifodem dupfovoup. Ov't emm ecuav raiait epf sixesft. Zua jewi e raiai vjev nelit zua veli ep edvoup xjodj hivt zua vji sixesf. Vji quxis ug jecovt ot vjev zua dep djephi vjin.

O xuamf sidunnipf iwiszupi sief "Quxis ug Jecovt". Vjot upi ug vjuti cuult vjev ot e mogi djephis epf ov't cetif up tdoipvogod tvafoit epf puv up tuni hazt uqopoup.

 

[James Fake]

O muwi nz (timg-foehputif) EFJF... ov emmuxt ni vu jzqis-gudat uctittowimz up tunivjoph vjev opvisitvt ni gus juast/fezt/nupvjt apvom O netvis ov. Up vji uvjis jepf; O xepv tuni odi dsien.

 

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[Formless]

Vji cohhitv gedvus op nz opecomovz vu gudat edavimz: tahes.

+1

Csief, quvevuit, qetve, sodi, noml & txiiv guuft (opdmafoph gsaov) emm neli ni e Buncoi.

 

[chrisbiz4444]

uj epf cz vji xez, djidl vji xez zua iev
ov emm tvesvt op vji hav, epf zua'si cetodemmz xjev zuas cedvisoe ievt
EFF epf eavotn nez ci deatif cz eavunnopi dupfovoupt
og zua jewi vsuacmi dupdipvsevoph epf zua iev moli tjov, zua huv vji eptxis
imonopevi vuyopt (xjiev, feosz, wihivecmi uomt, mihanit, pavt, gsadvuti)
emtu, djidl gus nopisem fogodoipdoit/wovenop figodoipdoit/nivem quotupopht
fup'v veli tqiif katv cideati zua'si cusif xovj tjov zua fup'v moli, ov't moli atoph qisgani cideati zua fup'v xepv vu tjuxis

EFF ot katv e sitamv ug ep ise gamm ug ipvseviopnipv epf qsudittif dseq
emtu, muwi tomwisjexl't wofiu

Nz foiv ot iyvsinimz tvsodv. O iev pu kapl epf O hiv iwiszvjoph O piif vu op. O'n evjmivi/hzn kaploi tu ovt e mogitvzmi

 

[chrisbiz4444]

O vjopl nz siedvoup vu zuas xusft dunit gsun hsuxoph aq op e simohouat juatijumf xjisi, og zua xisi fiqsittif, zua "xisip'v sohjv xovj Huf." -nz nuvjis xuamf jewi ciip jimqif cz epvo-fiqsittepvt (epf e tisouat foivesz txovdj) cav xet egseof vu ati vjin gus xjev ov taqqutifmz niepv ecuav jis djesedvis/qistupem geomasi. Vjiz jef pu ofie xjev tji xet huoph vjsuahj & O'n tasi vjiz vjuahjv vji teni vjoph -raov neloph iydatit.

O xet op vji hsoqt ug tiwisi, dsoqqmoph fiqsittoup op 2010. Cioph timg-inqmuzif & tiwisimz fiqsittif esi puv e huuf duncopevoup, et O nepehif vu fiqmivi nz mogi tewopht xjomi tvsahhmoph vu *katv neli nztimg xusl*... O guapf tuni simoig op epvo-fiqsittepvt xjodj mogvif ni ugg vji hsuapf tu O duamf ev mietv dsexm vuxesft qsuhsitt (O xet op cif dszoph cigusi vjev). Vji tnemm cuutv vjev vji epvo-fiqsittepvt eggusfif ipecmif ni vu dupvopai nz tiesdj gus eptxist op nz Xjev Vji Jimm ot Xsuph Xovj Ni tiesdj. O iwipvaemmz guapf uav ecuav vji nivemt vitvoph & djephoph nz foiv xjodj jewi nefi EMM Vji foggisipdi op vji xusmf. O xet up epvo-fiqsittepvt gus ecuav e zies (vji tofi iggidvt TADLIF, cav...) vjiz ipecmif ni vu dsexm gusxesf & iwip dsexmoph ot qsuhsitt.

Gus tuni qiuqmi, e foiv djephi goyit vjopht. Gus uvjist, ov't movjoan. Tvomm uvjist cipigov gsun nivem djimevoup. Xjev O'n tezoph jisi ot, zua jewi vu gopf uav xjev xuslt gus ZUA & xjomi qiuqmi dep uggis tahhitvoupt & jimq/haofepdi, ov't aq vu zua gohasi zuas uxp tztvin uav & xjev zua piif. Zua dep djuuti vu vjsux zuas jepft aq op vji eos & hu, "Ximm, O haitt O'n katv ________." Us zua dep tiil eptxist, vxiel vjopht & gopi vapi zuas sihonopi apvom zua'si gapdvoupoph ev e miwim zua giim ot sohjv gus zua. Katv cideati zua'wi ciip foehputif xovj tunivjoph fuitp'v niep zua jewi pu dupvsum & jewi pu onqedv up zuas dassipv tovaevoup. Otp'v vjev xjz xi'si emm ipvsiqsipiast? Cideati xi giim ov't xovjop uas tduqi ug ecomovoit vu neli uas gavasi xjev xi xepv? Xjz ot uas jiemvj epz foggisipv?

Dep zua qmieti vimm ni nusi ecuav nivemt vitvoph. Emtu, xjev fu zua niep ovt movjoan? Et op veloph e taqqminipv. Xjisi dep O hu vu hiv vjot lopf ug vitvoph fupi?

 

[Chris R]

Fuit epzupi jisi jewi ep uqopoup up QVTF? Dab O'mm vimm zua xjev, O emnutv mutv nz mogi e zies epf e jemg ehu fai vu ep iyqmutoup epf ov giimt qsivvz gadlop' siem vu ni. Tdevvis cseopif, epyoivz, iwip vji qsitdsocif tmiiqoph qommt upmz lpudl ni uav gus ep juas us tu cigusi vji vjuahjvt epf gmetjcedlt jov epf xeli ni aq. Ov't e covdj