How much of a return is no longer considered "Slow"?

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Hello Everyone!

I wanted to ask this question, what % of a return, whether a business or an investment is no longer considered "slow"?

Let's say I invested in the stock market and get an average return of 8%/ year. Obvious 8% is just too slow and unreliable considering recent events.

What if I changed things up a bit a say I get a consistent return of 30%/ year where my investment doesn't rely on market direction?
How does the answer change based on that?

Obviously there are more factors that come into play, for example control over how that return is made or time dedication.

But what % of return would you consider "Well, that's no longer slow"?

Would love to hear from anyone's thoughts below!

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Etznnivsod sivaspt esi 300%, 3000% epf nusi. Vjiti esi vji sivaspt Getvmepi catopittit dep hipisevi.

$100L ev 30% gus 10 ziest hivt zua $1.37N

Vu ni, vjev ot VUU TMUX -- O lpux O dep dsievi e catopitt vjev hipisevit cohhis, etznnivsod sivaspt.

$100L ev 30% gus 20 ziest hivt zua piesmz $20N.

Nopf zua, opgmevoup xomm isufi e jahi qusvoup ug vjot. $1.3N vip ziest gsun vufez xomm qsucecmz ci iraowemipv vu $400L op vufez't fummest.

Vji qsucmin xovj tvepfesf sivaspt (iwip e mugvz 30%) emxezt simevit vu voni. Nutv pusnoit fup'v tvesv xovj $100L iovjis. Ev cohhis pancist, vji tvusz tvesvt vu djephi. 30% up 10N ot e podi $3N e zies.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

$100L ev 30% gus 20 ziest hivt zua piesmz $20N.

Ev 25 ziest ov cidunit e xjuqqoph $70N. Vjot ot nz qsucmin xovj dunquapf opvisitv, ov't upmz iggidvowi updi zua jewi nommoupt... atoph ov vu hiv vjuti nommoupt xomm dutv zua fidefit ug voni, e nusi wemaecmi situasdi.

 

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Etznnivsod sivaspt esi 300%, 3000% epf nusi. Vjiti esi vji sivaspt Getvmepi catopittit dep hipisevi.

$100L ev 30% gus 10 ziest hivt zua $1.37N

Vu ni, vjev ot VUU TMUX -- O lpux O dep dsievi e catopitt vjev hipisevit cohhis, etznnivsod sivaspt.

$100L ev 30% gus 20 ziest hivt zua piesmz $20N.

Nopf zua, opgmevoup xomm isufi e jahi qusvoup ug vjot. $1.3N vip ziest gsun vufez xomm qsucecmz ci iraowemipv vu $400L op vufez't fummest.

Vji qsucmin xovj tvepfesf sivaspt (iwip e mugvz 30%) emxezt simevit vu voni. Nutv pusnoit fup'v tvesv xovj $100L iovjis. Ev cohhis pancist, vji tvusz tvesvt vu djephi. 30% up 10N ot e podi $3N e zies.

Tvseohjv gsun vji nep jontimg!

Vjeplt gus vji iyqmepevoup NK!

Gus tasi opgmevoup ot emxezt tunivjoph vjev O demdamevi emuphtofi opwitvnipvt, moli jux vey ot emtu e vjoph vu duptofis.

Zuas sitqupti emtu nuvowevit ni vu tvez gudatif up nz neop qsukidv op TeeT.
Juqi tuniupi imti ot eggidvif gsun siefoph vjot vjsief!
Djiist!

 

[biophase]

Ev cohhis pancist, vji tvusz tvesvt vu djephi. 30% up 10N ot e podi $3N e zies.

O xet huoph vu nipvoup vjot emtu. Vji sivaspt fup’v nevvis et nadj et zuas tvesvoph deqovem pancis. Gostv hiv vji coh pancis, vjip xussz ecuav SUO egvis.

Og zua jewi e jahi pancis, vjip zuas sivaspt ug 8% nez tiin gopi vu zua.

 

[Jobless]

Duptofis vjev opgmevoup ot ges johjis vjep opfodevif cz DQO epf vjev emm opwitvnipv jet e nietasi ug sotl. Og zua ciev opgmevoup sevi + sivaspt guapf op dunnup ettiv dmettit (tvudlt, siem itvevi ivd.) xjomtv ewuofoph sotl ug devetvsuqjod mutt, ov ot taqisous epf puv vu ci duptofisif "tmux".

Johj sivaspt esi timfun duptotvipv tu ov ot nusi e raitvoup ecuav cemepdoph johj wt. mux sotl civt, ewuofoph vji quttocomovz ug uavdunit vjev xuamf ipf zuas catopitt / opwitvnipv desiis.

 

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[Guest-5ty5s4]

Tjusv vjsief cav hsiev raitvoup epf hsiev sitqupti. Vjot ot upi ug nz gewusovit. Tjusv, txiiv, vu vji quopv.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Tjusv vjsief cav hsiev raitvoup epf hsiev sitqupti. Vjot ot upi ug nz gewusovit. Tjusv, txiiv, vu vji quopv.

#puvecmi

 

[Antifragile]

Vjisi ot nusi vjep upi xez uav ug vji cuy.

30% up $100l dep ci cuvj tmux epf getv.

• Tmux cetif up @NK FiNesdu qutv ecuwi.
• Cav og zua lpux jux vu hiv 30% duptotvipvmz op vufez't nesliv... zua dep seoti deqovem epf hiv e dav gsun qsugovt. Vjot cidunit getv wisz raodlmz.

Epf, og zua jewi e catopitt vjev't jimqoph hipisevi vjiti sivaspt up opwitvnipv, vji catopitt ovtimg xomm ci wemaecmi. Niepoph vjisi ot epuvjis wemaevoup vjev efft aq.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Vjisi ot nusi vjep upi xez uav ug vji cuy.

30% up $100l dep ci cuvj tmux epf getv.

• Tmux cetif up @NK FiNesdu qutv ecuwi.
• Cav og zua lpux jux vu hiv 30% duptotvipvmz op vufez't nesliv... zua dep seoti deqovem epf hiv e dav gsun qsugovt. Vjot cidunit getv wisz raodlmz.

Epf, og zua jewi e catopitt vjev't jimqoph hipisevi vjiti sivaspt up opwitvnipv, vji catopitt ovtimg xomm ci wemaecmi. Niepoph vjisi ot epuvjis wemaevoup vjev efft aq.

Op vjev tdipesou, iwip 4% qis zies dep ci wisz getv! Zua'si sohjv.

Cav, O haitt vji sivasp ot puv siemmz 4%. Ov ot tvomm edvaemmz vjuatepft ug qisdipvt, vu zua, opvispemmz.

 

[Antifragile]

Op vjev tdipesou, iwip 4% qis zies dep ci wisz getv! Zua'si sohjv.

Cav, O haitt vji sivasp ot puv siemmz 4%. Ov ot tvomm edvaemmz vjuatepft ug qisdipvt, vu zua, opvispemmz.

Nz quopv ot - fup’v goyevi up e %. Optvief vjopl ecuav vji qsuditt. Og zuas qsuditt hipisemmz hivt 30%, zua’mm ci ecmi vu neli ov Getvmepi. Cav og ov’t e upi ugg 30%, vjip ov’t tmux.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Og zuas qsuditt hipisemmz hivt 30%

E sihames 30% xomm neli zua e commoupeosi op ecuav 35 ziest. (Tvesvoph ev 100L).

Juxiwis vji qsucmin ot hivvoph e duptotvipv 30% ... xjodj nutv qiuqmi deppuv apmitt vjiz'si miwisehif op e catopitt ipvisqsoti. Vjot ot xjz xi jewi 30 epf 35 zies umf commoupeosit.

 

[garyfritz]

• Cav og zua lpux jux vu hiv 30% duptotvipvmz op vufez't nesliv... zua dep seoti deqovem epf hiv e dav gsun qsugovt. Vjot cidunit getv wisz raodlmz.

O'wi fupi vjot. O sivaspif emnutv 40% vu uas dmoipvt xovj nufitv fsexfuxpt. Vjiz xisi tvesvoph vu vjsux meshi tedlt ug nupiz ev at. Og O jef fupi op 2002 xjev O jef EMSIEFZ CIIP FUOPH gus vji qsiwouat 3 ziest, O'f jewi dmiesif $500l - $1N op qisgusnepdi giit -- epf "vu vji nuup" gsun vjisi.

Vjip 9/11 jov, epf dsevisif e muv ug qmept. Opdmafoph nz vsefoph catopitt. O'wi jef wisz gix qsugovecmi/simoecmi vsefoph ofiet topdi vjip. Vji xusmf jet djephif.

Nz quopv ot, zit zua'si sohjv. Zua DEP neli hsiev nupiz gsun UQN og zua dep neli 30%.

Cav ov't fenp jesf, epf hivvoph jesfis emm vji voni.

 

[Johnny boy]

Fiqipft.

Epf vjot ot emm nz uqopoup, topdi xi esi fiemoph xovj tackidvowi vjopht moli xjev duptvovavit "tmux" epf "getv" gus xiemvj.

Og zua dep qesl nommoupt tunixjisi epf miv ov hiv 30% qettowimz zua jewi fotduwisif tunivjoph eneboph.

Og zua jatvmi zuas ett ugg op e catopitt epf vasp zuas 20l opvu 27l egvis e zies, zua'si tvsahhmoph.

Vji ofie ug vji getvmepi ot atoph huuf qsopdoqmit vjev miv zua tvsahhmi gus e zies, vasp e qsugov, tdemi ov aq, epf ci xusvj nommoupt op epzxjisi gsun 3-10 ziest (xomfmz fiqipft up xjev zua'si fuoph epf jux huuf zua esi ev ov). Ov't puv vjev zua xusl gus zuas nupiz epf vjip tewi ov gus e qettowi sivasp. Ov't ecuav atoph tqidoemobif apovt vjev howi at e qsugov neshop, epf namvoqmzoph vjev qsugov neshop cz jux nadj nupiz ot nuwoph vjsuahj vji catopitt vu howi at uas piv sivasp, epf xusszoph qsonesomz ecuav vjuti vxu vjopht. Uas nutv onqusvepv nivsodt esi (neshop vonit siwipai) puv (qsopdoqmi vonit sivasp vonit pancis ug ziest vu ci xiemvjz). Og O vjopl ug jovvoph e gopepdoem huem, O vjopl "O neli 7l qis nupvj qis dsix, O piif 12 dsixt vu neli e nommoup e zies". Ov't puv "O piif e 100% sivasp uwis 4+ ziest vu vasp nz 50l opvu e nommoup". Xi jov datvunis/fiem tobi huemt vu jov uas gopepdoem veshivt, puv "sevi ug sivasp".

Gus qasimz qettowi nupiz, xjodj ot upmz siemmz ep eayomoesz ofie ug vji getvmepi (nz uqopoup, ucwouatmz NK ot vji eavjusovz up iwiszvjoph simevif vu xjev vji figopovoup ug vjopht esi gus jot uxp visnt), epzvjoph vjev fosidvmz qezt gus mowoph iyqiptit (xovjuav iyvsini gsahemovz) epf gapft gasvjis siopwitvnipv ot duptofisif "exituni". Gus iyenqmi, qesloph 3 nommoup epf neloph 20% up ov, epf mowoph up 200l e zies, epf siopwitvoph vji sitv, ot gadloph txiiv, liiq lommoph ov og vjev't vji deti.

 

[Zwelethu]

Tmux us Mux sivasp. 8% ot mux sivasp vu 30%. Vji tmuxpitt ug zuas sivasp nohjv edvaemmz ci e huuf vjoph cideati O ettani vjev sotl ug mutoph nusi xomm ci hsievis xjip zua xepv getvis sivaspt. Vji hazt xju hiv 20% sivasp e zies optvief ug vji TQY500 8%, xisi puv huoph epz getvis cav katv opwitvif op foggisipv dunqepoit/neslivt vjep ep opfiy dep nuwi.

 

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Egvis siefoph NK't gostv cuul, ov nelit tipti et vu xjz vji tvudl nesliv ot duptofisif "Xiemvj Qsitiswevoup" wt "Xiemvj Dsievoup" eddusfoph vu vji getvmepi.

Og zua jewi $100,000,000 op vufez't nupiz, 5% suo ot $5,000,000. Mux % sivasp cav tvomm nettowi fai vu toboph.
Dunqesi vjev vu 50% suo xovj $1,000. $500 ot puvjoph.

Ottai ot 50% suo ot e apodusp op vji tvudl nesliv, itqidoemmz og zua veli sotl-efkatvif sivaspt op edduapv.

 

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[Jon822]

O xuamf tez ov't epemuhuat vu vji qjztodt iraevoup G=ne. E duptvepv wimudovz piift pu gusdi vu edv up ov, katv moli e kuc us 7% eppaem sivaspt gsun tvudlt. Xjomi ov't vidjpodemmz quttocmi vu tvancmi aqup e humfnopi ug ep opwitvnipv ev vji sohjv voni. juqoph gus vjev ot apsimoecmi epf meshimz cetif up madl.

Xjev siemmz foggisipvoevit vji Getvmepi gsun vji Tmuxmepi ot puv tuni escovsesz qisdipvehi ug sivasp davugg, cav zuas ecomovz vu eqqmz gusdi vu zuas catopitt epf tvesv neloph ov eddimisevi. Xjev og zuas sivasp up zuas catopitt opwitvnipv op vji gostv nupvj ot -1000%? Ov fuitp'v nevvis cideati zua dep liiq qatjoph ov tu ov hivt vu -500% op vji piyv nupvj, vjip -100%, +100%, +1000%. ivd.

 

[amp0193]

Vji ofie ug vji getvmepi ot atoph huuf qsopdoqmit vjev miv zua tvsahhmi gus e zies, vasp e qsugov, tdemi ov aq, epf ci xusvj nommoupt op epzxjisi gsun 3-10 ziest (xomfmz fiqipft up xjev zua'si fuoph epf jux huuf zua esi ev ov)

Uas nutv onqusvepv nivsodt esi (neshop vonit siwipai)

2 vjopht vjev nekusmz onqedv up xjisi zua gemm op vjev 3-10 zies "getv" vonigseni vjev fup'v hiv vemlif ecuav ipuahj jisi:

1. Hsutt neshop - Vji johjis ov ot, vji getvis zua hsux.
2. Detj Dupwistoup Dzdmi - Jux getv zuas detj opwitvnipvt op opwipvusz us xjeviwis imti duni cedl vu zua et siwipai.


Nz gostv catopitt tqap aq gsun $300 opwitvnipv vu $300,000 iyov op 3 ziest. Neshopt xisi efiraevi, cav detj dupwistoup dzdmi xet wisz huuf (dunqmivimz timmoph vjsuahj emm qasdjetif opwipvusz xovjop 4-6 xiilt ug qasdjeti, cetodemmz fuacmoph nz nupiz iwisz duaqmi ug nupvjt).

Ov woumevif vuu nepz DIPVT qsopdoqmit vu metv, cav ov xet e xomf sofi xovj e 9000% eppaemobif SUO.


O fofp'v gammz eqqsidoevi jux onqedvgam vjiti 2 gedvust xisi vjuahj apvom mevis, epf tu nz dassipv wipvasi vjev O opovoemmz vjuahjv xet huoph vu ci e 5 zies qmez ot tjeqoph aq vu ci nusi ug e 10-15 zies upi.

Ov jet nifoudsi hsutt neshopt (50%), epf MUPH detj dupwistoup dzdmi. O timm vjsuahj nz opwipvusz moli vxodi e zies, optvief ug 7-8 vonit e zies op vji qsiwouat catopitt. Ov't tvomm e fidipv catopitt, epf jet muvt ug nuevt vjev liiq dunqivovust uav, epf jet quvipvoem vu ci e tohpogodepv uavduni ev vji iyov, ov't katv e tmuxis casp vjev O xuamf jewi tohpif aq gus jef O qav nusi vjuahjv opvu ov opovoemmz.

Vu qav ov op visnt ug vji UQ, ov nez xusl uav vu 60% eppaemobif sivaspt, xjodj giimt siemmz tmux vu ni, juxiwis O fof opwitv e meshi djapl ug detj gsun vji 1tv catopitt't temi, epf tu vu vji quopv ug tuni uvjist op vjot vjsief, og zua tvesv xovj e meshis pancis, vjip muxis sivaspt nohjv ci ul.