Yeah Aliens could be behind 5G, vaccines, chemtrails, bilderberg etc.
There might also be good aliens tought
There might also be good aliens tought
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Free registration at the forum removes this block.Bill gates lately said that the human-kind is going through transformation in the next 15 years that has never been or felt before. The world will change crazzzyyy much.Just splatting my own brainwaves here...
I think the next 10 years is going to be insanely transformative for mankind. At a point where open communication, free thinking and the technology to do so are running the show, we’re now witnessing our transformation from the close minded, arcane planet dwellers to intellectually adaptive beings of the universe, and who knows what or who has already achieved that and is standing by, waiting for us to reach a safe point to connect. I don’t imagine there will be a “holy cow aliens just landed” moment. It will probably be incremental and with caution, just as we are seeing it.
This pattern always resonates with me -
Malignant cells, in their own time frames, seemingly sit forever, going through slow transformations and hostility driven adaptations against things like the immune system, who’s advances toward ending their progress, or their own naturally short lifespans and other harsh factors often succeed at smudging the fledgling cells’ existence. At some point, for the successful mutations, a single cell achieves traveling beyond its formation and a metastatic life form, capable of traveling and much more resilient, is born.
This same pattern works with plants, animals - everything. Once branched out, the transformation has begun. The species has adapted and progressed to a new phase.
Portions of our species have conquered things necessary to this, like unified communication, systems thinking, shared objectives and so on. We’ve long achieved the moon, and soon, will achieve Mars. We are in a new phase of metastasis.
If one can free their mind from flat earth, nostalgia based thinking that still consumes most of our species, enough pieces can be put together to forecast, look forward and appreciate what is obviously coming. We’ve been in evolution and largely incapable of handling what we are starting to now accept, which is and has been the case every second along our evolutionary timeline, and will continue to be.
It’s natural progression not to stay as we are forever - just as we never have. To do so is to succumb to the depletion of resources that sustain our current state and die out. The pattern of branching out, staking new territory and encountering new life forms will continue through eternity as long as there is energy and mass, in this universe and beyond.
We’ve probably been or are being studied, just as we study cells under a microscope ourselves. Who knows if what we’re seeing are the end result extraterrestrial beings, or the tools and counterparts being used to interact with us at our size and scale.
What an exciting time to be alive!
Aliens are not here. They might exist, but not here, and not in the form we think of them.
There's too many parties incentivized to push the narrative that aliens exist. The biggest being the government and media:
Nationalism is dying off. The ability to unite everyone under the government with an 'Us vs Them' attitude is harder than ever. So what's new?
- Government: If you believe aliens exist, then you're more likely to approve of large military spending and support your government (control by fear)
- Media: If you're interested in aliens, then your media consumption increases. The media creates bullshit articles to take advantage of your curiosity
Give the government more money. Give them more power. Or the big bad aliens will come and destroy us all. Pay more taxes. Sign away your rights. Huge incentives for the government.
Then with the media, you have things like this:
The History Channel figured out years ago that Aliens are better TV than actual history. So they created countless programs about how aliens built the Ancient Pyramids, etc. The mainstream media is just adopting a trend that has already existed.
Today's media is entirely void of any journalistic values - pushing alien stories is just another addition to their array of fake news. Find news that people want to read = get readership = make money off ads.
@ZCP made a good point about the media.
So as far as your Occam's Razor principle, what's more likely:
- Aliens existing?
- Or a spread of misinformation that benefits multiple parties including the government and media?
On the other hand, if faster than light travel existed due to wormholes, space folding, teleportation, or whatever, then the situation is vastly different.
I'd imagine in that case the aliens would have already taken us over and have either taken human form or started using "The Colony" (Josh Holloway)-style proxies to control Earth.
The reason for hiding from humans would probably be that they believe or they actually would lose control if humans knew they existed.
I consider myself open minded and today I'm going to admit that I'm leaning toward the idea that aliens are here and have been visiting Earth ever since the first atomic bomb went off.
While I'm not radically entrenched in that belief (I'd say it fluctuates between 60/40 and 70/30 in favor of aliens are here) I am becoming more acclimatized to the idea. Five years ago I'd say my belief was 40/60, in favor of them NOT being here.
Part of this belief probably evolved from being an avid Star Trek fan with a particular casual interest in quantum physics, space/time topics, and the humble realization that we are technological cavemen in the grand scheme of things.
It also might be possible that TIME is moving very slowly for us (which is a function of gravity) so 1 year for us humans could quite possibly be 1000 years for aliens.
I'm bringing this topic up NOW because I've noticed recently in the last, say 2 years, there has been significant UPTICK in the "aliens are here" claims/assertions, many of such which are coming from scientists, ex-government employees, and highly professional folks, such as pilots, both civilian and military.
Additionally, the government is starting to TRICKLE out little bits of information (or allowing it to occur) from unexplained navy pilot videos, to the disclosure that the American government was running the secretive AATIP organization. It seems the folks involved in this stuff are no longer fearful of retribution, persecution, or even death (while being labeled a tin-foil hat conspirator).
Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
AATIP has left us with many unanswered questions. Where is the UFO material that was recovered? Two of the Senators who founded the program are no longer alive.heavy.com
Moreover, I've noticed that the "aliens are here" assertion is starting to bleed into the MAINSTREAM while many of these MAINSTREAM figures (Michio Kaku, Rogan ) are starting to dive into the topic. For example, Bob Lazar was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast discussing many things, including Lazar's contention that he was in charge of reverse engineering an alien spacecraft which used Element 115 as a propulsion component, a component allegedly involved in warping space/time.
Of course, many assert that Lazar is full of crap, and a variety of other folks involved.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ
And now, just the other day, Fox News put the UFO story on the front page of its website (On Friday which was promptly removed when the California earthquake hit) asking the question itself, are they here? And what does the Trump think about it? I went there to get news about the earthquake and was promptly hit with the UFO headline.
Whether you believe any of it, is not my point.
I feel like I'm in the middle of a counter-intelligence operation, from the TV programs (like Ancient Aliens, UFO documentaries, etc.) whereas culture is being slowly groomed with the idea that we are not alone.
So when it happens, it won't be such a big shock.
Years ago this stuff was considered fringe.
Now I'm starting to see it bleed into the mainstream.
So much so that I'm willing to say that "something" is going on -- maybe not aliens perse, but something.
Aliens are not here. They might exist, but not here, and not in the form we think of them.
There's too many parties incentivized to push the narrative that aliens exist. The biggest being the government and media:
Nationalism is dying off. The ability to unite everyone under the government with an 'Us vs Them' attitude is harder than ever. So what's new?
- Government: If you believe aliens exist, then you're more likely to approve of large military spending and support your government (control by fear)
- Media: If you're interested in aliens, then your media consumption increases. The media creates bullshit articles to take advantage of your curiosity
Give the government more money. Give them more power. Or the big bad aliens will come and destroy us all. Pay more taxes. Sign away your rights. Huge incentives for the government.
Then with the media, you have things like this:
The History Channel figured out years ago that Aliens are better TV than actual history. So they created countless programs about how aliens built the Ancient Pyramids, etc. The mainstream media is just adopting a trend that has already existed.
Today's media is entirely void of any journalistic values - pushing alien stories is just another addition to their array of fake news. Find news that people want to read = get readership = make money off ads.
@ZCP made a good point about the media.
So as far as your Occam's Razor principle, what's more likely:
- Aliens existing?
- Or a spread of misinformation that benefits multiple parties including the government and media?
Well he says his video is on YouTube. Apparently it was a video he allegedly took while they were 'testing' the aircraft. That would pretty much settle it, although I wasn't able to find it. Also it would be pretty easy to find and interview his college friends to see if his MIT / CalTech story checks out or not. I'm honestly not sure why if this were such a big deal he doesn't just supply a diploma or graduation photos.
Give the government more money. Give them more power. Or the big bad aliens will come and destroy us all. Pay more taxes. Sign away your rights. Huge incentives for the government.
what's your professional, physicist opinion on this Bob Lazar guy that MJ posted to in the OP?
psychological priming.
This is where I meant there seems to be recent "bleed" of this stuff from expected sources (Space, NASA, Science)
That's a good point too. Quantum physics is a good example of this. It's so freaking weird that we don't even fully understand it yet. Even before that, we thought we had this physics stuff figured out then Einstein came along and showed us that Physics was significantly more complicated than our then model of Newtonian Physics was.Aliens are bound by the same laws of physics we are bound by... So, I guess my answer would be a question... Do we have a full understanding of physics or is our understanding incomplete?
The pilots specifically stated that they did not for one minute believe the unidentified aerial phenomena were alien. Just unidentified.I've been noticing it too.
The released Navy Pilot video and disclosure of AATIP are big news.
The pilots specifically stated that they did not for one minute believe the unidentified aerial phenomena were alien. Just unidentified.
"If Star Trek was real, it would be different"
There's actually several reasons they could want to be here.Naw. No way aliens are here.
If there's a civilization advanced enough that they could be here, I doubt they'd want to be. It'd be like someone from Chicago going to Gary, Indiana.
Beyond a shadow of doubt Aliens from another planet have and are visiting earth! My first UFO experience occurred in Oct 1973 near Mansfield Oh. I witnessed a craft fly around over my parents house with characteristics that no plane could do. It would go from a dead stop to lightning fast speeds then stop instantly. There was no noise from the craft. As the craft got closer it looked like a flat black cigar shaped with reddish lights of some type. During watching this craft a helicopter came across the sky and the craft shot over to it. It light up the helicopter with a green light and they both ascended a distance together. This is event got national media attention because the helicopter was a US Army Helo that the crew reported the incident. You can google the UFO as "Coyne UFO Incident". This wasn't my last experience but is the most famous.I consider myself open minded and today I'm going to admit that I'm leaning toward the idea that aliens are here and have been visiting Earth ever since the first atomic bomb went off.
While I'm not radically entrenched in that belief (I'd say it fluctuates between 60/40 and 70/30 in favor of aliens are here) I am becoming more acclimatized to the idea. Five years ago I'd say my belief was 40/60, in favor of them NOT being here.
Part of this belief probably evolved from being an avid Star Trek fan with a particular casual interest in quantum physics, space/time topics, and the humble realization that we are technological cavemen in the grand scheme of things.
It also might be possible that TIME is moving very slowly for us (which is a function of gravity) so 1 year for us humans could quite possibly be 1000 years for aliens.
I'm bringing this topic up NOW because I've noticed recently in the last, say 2 years, there has been significant UPTICK in the "aliens are here" claims/assertions, many of such which are coming from scientists, ex-government employees, and highly professional folks, such as pilots, both civilian and military.
Additionally, the government is starting to TRICKLE out little bits of information (or allowing it to occur) from unexplained navy pilot videos, to the disclosure that the American government was running the secretive AATIP organization. It seems the folks involved in this stuff are no longer fearful of retribution, persecution, or even death (while being labeled a tin-foil hat conspirator).
Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
AATIP has left us with many unanswered questions. Where is the UFO material that was recovered? Two of the Senators who founded the program are no longer alive.heavy.com
Moreover, I've noticed that the "aliens are here" assertion is starting to bleed into the MAINSTREAM while many of these MAINSTREAM figures (Michio Kaku, Rogan ) are starting to dive into the topic. For example, Bob Lazar was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast discussing many things, including Lazar's contention that he was in charge of reverse engineering an alien spacecraft which used Element 115 as a propulsion component, a component allegedly involved in warping space/time.
Of course, many assert that Lazar is full of crap, and a variety of other folks involved.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ
And now, just the other day, Fox News put the UFO story on the front page of its website (On Friday which was promptly removed when the California earthquake hit) asking the question itself, are they here? And what does the Trump think about it? I went there to get news about the earthquake and was promptly hit with the UFO headline.
Whether you believe any of it, is not my point.
I feel like I'm in the middle of a counter-intelligence operation, from the TV programs (like Ancient Aliens, UFO documentaries, etc.) whereas culture is being slowly groomed with the idea that we are not alone.
So when it happens, it won't be such a big shock.
Years ago this stuff was considered fringe.
Now I'm starting to see it bleed into the mainstream.
So much so that I'm willing to say that "something" is going on -- maybe not aliens perse, but something.
Aliens are not here. They might exist, but not here, and not in the form we think of them.
There's too many parties incentivized to push the narrative that aliens exist. The biggest being the government and media:
Nationalism is dying off. The ability to unite everyone under the government with an 'Us vs Them' attitude is harder than ever. So what's new?
- Government: If you believe aliens exist, then you're more likely to approve of large military spending and support your government (control by fear)
- Media: If you're interested in aliens, then your media consumption increases. The media creates bullshit articles to take advantage of your curiosity
Give the government more money. Give them more power. Or the big bad aliens will come and destroy us all. Pay more taxes. Sign away your rights. Huge incentives for the government.
Then with the media, you have things like this:
The History Channel figured out years ago that Aliens are better TV than actual history. So they created countless programs about how aliens built the Ancient Pyramids, etc. The mainstream media is just adopting a trend that has already existed.
Today's media is entirely void of any journalistic values - pushing alien stories is just another addition to their array of fake news. Find news that people want to read = get readership = make money off ads.
@ZCP made a good point about the media.
So as far as your Occam's Razor principle, what's more likely:
- Aliens existing?
- Or a spread of misinformation that benefits multiple parties including the government and media?
While there "full understanding" of classical and quantum physics, the universe keeps flinging out mystery after mystery.Are aliens here on earth? I doubt it. IF they could get here, why would they be here?
Are they out there? I would put my money on yes.
Aliens are bound by the same laws of physics we are bound by... So, I guess my answer would be a question... Do we have a full understanding of physics or is our understanding incomplete?
Travel between solar systems... Barring a total shift in the way we understand energy and physics, I don't think that will ever be as easy as the movies portray.
Assertion 1:
If aliens are here, or have been here, they have come from at least 50-100 light years away, therefore the technology used to get here is far beyond anything we are even close to.
Assertion 2:
Every single story about aliens crashing or being captured cannot be true because of the first assertion. As this would require them to be good enough to get here, yet not good enough to evade capture/detection by organisms who would be the equivalent of cavemen to us.
Assertion 3:
Considering assertion 1, if aliens have come to observe us, it is unlikely they would want to interact with us. This is based on the fact that whilst we cannot know exactly how they have travelled to us. We can know for sure that whatever method it took would require lots and lots of energy.
Therefore it is unlikely that they are in the kind of situation we find ourselves in on earth, whereby energy production is difficult, expensive and obtained from finite resources. Therefore the need for war has all but disappeared, hence it is my assumption that these aliens would be peaceful.
With that in mind, the last thing an advanced peaceful civilisation would want to do, is to interfere with us. It would be like us going back in time and giving a Neanderthal an Uzi.
Assertion 4:
There are definitely unexplained phenomena out there, the most impressive being the Phoenix Lights, this coupled with the sheer amount of stars and galaxies make it highly improbable that none exist and have at least stopped by.
Assertion 5:
We are living in a simulation, hence Fermi's Paradox that states the galaxy isn't crawling with aliens even though it's overloaded with stars.
This has actually consumed my thinking lately. The famous double split experiment keeps revealing stuff about the universe that is just plain weird.
To summarise, it appears that photons (packets of light) behave like a wave when we are not observing them (closely) and particles when we are.
Here's the super weird bit... They behave as particles when we retrospectively view them. This is the equivalent of somebody walking through a door with blonde hair, but when we look at them they have brown hair...
Anyway, it appears that the universe is observer-led, rather like a game of Grand Theft Auto.
So the question maybe shouldn't be; "are aliens here?" Moreover "Where is here, and who's in charge?"
There is no consciousness puppeteering the universe.
Using inflammatory sentances like this don't make your theory any more provable.
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