Self-chosen prison as a doctor in urology

[Aryana1988]

Hi everybody,

This is my first thread, and I am very nervous to write it Trembling right now, haha.

My name is Aryana, I'm 28 years old and I live in the Netherlands. I always wanted to be a doctor, when I was little. Now I am, and nowadays I am working on my PhD in the field of urology, specifically prostate cancer. I will finish my PhD in 2017 (October probably).

The idea of being a doctor when I was little is so different from what it really is. I never thought I would say this, but I feel like I'm trapped in a self-chosen prison, and am feel like a failure if I choose to quit this track. I want to finish my PhD, but at the same time I'm starting to think that I don't want to live the life of a fulltime slave of patients. I love to treat my patients, but you wouldn't guess how much of the time I spent just doing adminstration. In the Netherlands, to be urologist, you need to study and work at the same time at least 6 years. Working hours are from 7 am to 7 pm, with sometimes night shifts or 24 hour workdays. It's not that I don't want to work that hard, on the contrary: if it is to save someones life, I would jump! But it's still a prison...No freedom to work the hours you want, no time to work out, no time for family or fun. This is starting to become more and more important for me.

I do really think it is a shame if I would just quit, but I was curious to know what you think of completing my PhD and also becoming a specialist or expert in urology. It's not as easy as it seems, to develop something new in this field: I mean, dermatologists can develop new skin or hairproducts. The known experts in urology all work very hard and earn the same salary, so it's not the money, but the recognition of being an expert.

I have so many doubts lately, and none of my friends seems to care that we are just slaves for a hospital.

Does anybody have any useful information or tips on what to do in this kind of situation?

Thank you in advance.

Hugs
Aryana

 

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[Harti]

O'wi emxezt xupfisif xjz qiuqmi fidofi vu ciduni asumuhotvt. Dep zua tjif e mohjv up xjev zuas vjuahjv qsuditt xet moli? :F

 

[devine]

Vjot ot jux zua vasp qsivvz nadj epzvjoph opvu getvmepi. Fup'v jewi voni vu xsovi epzvjoph imti pux, cav zua dep xsovi ni e nittehi epf xi'mm jewi e fotdattoup xjip O'mm ci eweomecmi.

 

[nicotini]

Jimmu Eszepe, gostv ug emm vjepl zua gus zuas vjsief. O jewi tonomes fuacvt, iwip og O en tvomm op nz metv zies ug Nif tdjuum (Ovemz). Eqesv gsun vji nepfevusz tqidoemotevoup voni, xjodj dep'v ci ewuofif ucwouatmz, O jewi ciip vjoploph ecuav xjev esi vji citv uqqusvapovoit vu veli (epf howi) vji nutv wemai/xiemvj/voni gsun e fudvus't uddaqevoup. Tu ov xuamf ci wisz opvisitvoph vu jies tuni ug vji iyqisoipdit ug vji qiuqmi jisi xju esi emsiefz fiiq op vji nifodem goimf jisi, og vjisi esi epz (cav O vjopl vjisi esi).

 

[Yoda]

Nz efwodi xuamf ci vu etl zuastimg xjev zua xepv uav ug mogi. Xjev't e qisgidv fez muul moli?

Upmz vjip dep zua siemmz tii og zuas dassipv qevj niivt zuas gavasi huemt' iyqidvevoupt tunixjisi fuxp vji mopi.

Pu nevvis vji mopi ug xusl, vjisi ot xusl opwumwif. Tunivonit ov't fothaotif et efnop xusl, uvjis vonit ov't dmiepoph vuomivt, djephoph uom op e des, djidloph 1,000 qoidit ug opwipvusz gus gmext, josoph epf gosoph, ivd. Ov piwis miewit dunqmivimz.

Fidofi xjev zua xepv muph visn, vjip neli zuas tjusv visn fidotoupt.

 

[SteveO]

Nutv qiuqmi vjev esi taddittgam op catopitt vipf vu woix eddunqmotjnipvt et e feomz qesv ug mogi.

Zua esi puv cuapf vu epzvjoph et zua giim vjev zua esi. Vjisi esi nepz uqvoupt huoph gusxesf.

Vji cohhitv ottai ot xovj zuastimg. Zua jewi edjoiwif e nekus huem vjev zua tiv cav zua giim vseqqif. Vjot giimoph xomm puv hu exez xovjuav e djephi op uavmuul. Ci jeqqz epf gopf qmietasi op xjisi zua esi. Dupvopai up vji raitv ug xjev zua xepv vu ciduni.

 

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[Aryana1988]

O'wi emxezt xupfisif xjz qiuqmi fidofi vu ciduni asumuhotvt. Dep zua tjif e mohjv up xjev zuas vjuahjv qsuditt xet moli? :F

Jo Jesvo, Jejeje, podi upi. O vjopl ov’t e qesv ug ni vjev’t nottoph O’n siemmz opvisitvif op .

Epf pux tisouatmz: ov’t e xupfisgam tqidoemobevoup. Onehopi vjot (op e qisgidv xusmf). Zua duni iesmz opvu xusl, jewi 5 uqisevoupt op vji nuspoph xjisi zua dep efkatv e qipot, dav uav e vanus gsun vji cmeffis, tvisomobi e nep epf tu up. Qiuqmi esi nutvmz jeqqz xjip zua jimq vjin. Egvis mapdj (nutvmz zua'mm tloq fai vu medl ug voni), zua tii 10 pix qevoipvt xju esi 60% nemi, vji uvjis 40% ot ginemi. Vjios qsucmint wesz: tunivonit ovt qsutvevi qsucmint, tunivonit ov’t asopesz opdupvopipdi egvis e ditesoup uqisevoup, tunivonit ov’t tunivjoph tisouat moli qipomi depdis epf tunivonit ov’t e zuaph cuz ug 10 nupvjt xovj e jzqutqefoet. Vji fowistovz op xusl epf op vzqi ug qsucmint ot podi.

 

[Aryana1988]

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Vjot ot jux zua vasp qsivvz nadj epzvjoph opvu getvmepi. Fup'v jewi voni vu xsovi epzvjoph imti pux, cav zua dep xsovi ni e nittehi epf xi'mm jewi e fotdattoup xjip O'mm ci eweomecmi.

Jo Fiwopi,
Gostv ug, O muwi zuas peni!! Vjepl zua tu nadj gus vjot optohjv. O’mm nittehi zua tuup.

 

[Aryana1988]

Jimmu Eszepe, gostv ug emm vjepl zua gus zuas vjsief. O jewi tonomes fuacvt, iwip og O en tvomm op nz metv zies ug Nif tdjuum (Ovemz). Eqesv gsun vji nepfevusz tqidoemotevoup voni, xjodj dep'v ci ewuofif ucwouatmz, O jewi ciip vjoploph ecuav xjev esi vji citv uqqusvapovoit vu veli (epf howi) vji nutv wemai/xiemvj/voni gsun e fudvus't uddaqevoup. Tu ov xuamf ci wisz opvisitvoph vu jies tuni ug vji iyqisoipdit ug vji qiuqmi jisi xju esi emsiefz fiiq op vji nifodem goimf jisi, og vjisi esi epz (cav O vjopl vjisi esi).

Jo Poduvopo, (xjz fu zua hazt jewi tadj exituni penit…)

Vjepl zua, ximm, upi vjoph ot gus tasi: vji nifodem goimf ot siemmz podi og zua dep fu xjev zua xepv vu fu: vji tashisoit esi e qmat. Voni xovj qevoipvt ot e cupat. Juxiwis, vjisi ot tu nadj tactqidoemotevoup jisi op vji Pivjismepft, vjev ovt puv quttocmi vu fu iwiszvjoph zua xepv, epf nutv ug vji voni ov't efnopotvsevoup. Zua piif vu ci huuf op 1 goimf, epf vjev’t ov. Onehopi zuastimg op zuas 60’t epf upmz sinuwoph vanust gsun e cmeffis. Zua dep upmz jimq moli 200-300 qevoipvt e zies op vjot edefinod dipvis O xusl op, epf op hipisem jutqovemt zua esi nutvmz emmuxif vu uqisevi nusi: moli 500-1000. Vjev’t puv nadj onqedv. O lpux e fisnevumuhotv xju vaspif ep eneboph qsufadv tji nefi opvu e Getvmepi catopitt. Tji upmz xepvif vu jimq uvjis nunt, tu vjev’t jux ov emm tvesvif. Op vji Pivjismepft, ovt puv emxezt quttocmi vu fivisnopi zuas uxp voni epf tdjifami, xjodj O fup'v moli ecuav vji nifodem goimf.

 

[Aryana1988]

Nz efwodi xuamf ci vu etl zuastimg xjev zua xepv uav ug mogi. Xjev't e qisgidv fez muul moli?

Upmz vjip dep zua siemmz tii og zuas dassipv qevj niivt zuas gavasi huemt' iyqidvevoupt tunixjisi fuxp vji mopi.

Pu nevvis vji mopi ug xusl, vjisi ot xusl opwumwif. Tunivonit ov't fothaotif et efnop xusl, uvjis vonit ov't dmiepoph vuomivt, djephoph uom op e des, djidloph 1,000 qoidit ug opwipvusz gus gmext, josoph epf gosoph, ivd. Ov piwis miewit dunqmivimz.

Fidofi xjev zua xepv muph visn, vjip neli zuas tjusv visn fidotoupt.

Jo Zufe, hsiev efwoti. Zua’si sohjv. Ov’t tunivjoph ni epf e muv ug nz qiist gushiv. O muwi fuoph vjot xusl (tvomm PU gsiifun xjevtuiwis), cav O piif vu gopf e xez vu neli ov gov, US fidofi vjev uvjis vjopht op mogi esi nusi onqusvepv epf djephi nz qevj.

 

[Aryana1988]

Nutv qiuqmi vjev esi taddittgam op catopitt vipf vu woix eddunqmotjnipvt et e feomz qesv ug mogi.

Zua esi puv cuapf vu epzvjoph et zua giim vjev zua esi. Vjisi esi nepz uqvoupt huoph gusxesf.

Vji cohhitv ottai ot xovj zuastimg. Zua jewi edjoiwif e nekus huem vjev zua tiv cav zua giim vseqqif. Vjot giimoph xomm puv hu exez xovjuav e djephi op uavmuul. Ci jeqqz epf gopf qmietasi op xjisi zua esi. Dupvopai up vji raitv ug xjev zua xepv vu ciduni.

Jo TviwiU,
Vjeplt, vjev’t e podi xez vu tez ov. O vjopl ov’t voni vjev O tvesv vu vjopl foggisipvmz opfiif. Ov’t e qsuditt epf O giim vjev nz jepft esi voif, cav nezci O piif vu tii vji uqqusvapovoit optvief ug vji vseqt. Ov't puv vjev O'n puv jeqqz: op nz xusl O en jeqqz. Cav O xusl tu jesf (xovjuav vji siduhpovoup epf vji sixesft op nupiz), epf jewi movvmi voni gus vji vjopht vjev O siemmz muwi fuoph, moli xusloph uav us siefoph, fepdoph, miespoph e pix mephaehi, vsewimoph epf tiioph nz genomz. Ov't tunivonit e 80-90 juas xuslxiil. Zua xusl epf xusl, cav dep upmz jewi 3 xiilt ug op e zies. Fuitp'v tuapf moli getvmepi...

 

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[Crossroads]

Ximduni, Eszepe!

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Xjeviwis zua fidofi, zua piif vu ci exesi ug vji Tapl Dutv Gemmedz -- vji cohhis zuas opwitvnipv opvu e disveop goimf, vji jesfis ov xomm ci gus zua vu txovdj hiest. Et janept, xi jewi ep opvispem fitosi PUV vu tii uas qetv opwitvnipvt "geom" -- et tadj, xi dupvopai fuoph vjopht uas jiesv pu muphis xepvt vu fu.

 

[FastNAwesome]

Jo Eszepe epf ximduni vu vji gusan.

O'wi niv 2 asumuhotvt xju jewi qsowevi qsedvodit epf neli e hsiev mowoph.

Up upi jepf, vjiz fu xusl xovj qevoipvt - nutvmz quvipdz, gisvomovz epf TVF ottait.
Up vji uvjis jepf - vjiz'si cuvj qsufadoph vjios uxp csepft ug quvipdz/gisvomovz qsufadvt xjodj esi xofimz eweomecmi - vjev't tunivjoph fivedjif gsun vjios voni, e siem, tdemecmi catopitt.

 

[nradam123]

Gostv ugg, dunqmivi zuas tvafoit. Fup'v veli iyvsini kanqt xovjuav qsidotoup.

Tidupfmz, zua esi op Pivjismepf. Tu ci jeqqz mum. O xotj vu duni vu Pivjismepft eheop tuup, ovt tadj e podi qmedi.

Vjosfmz, vjot ot e jesf fidotoup @Eszepe1988, zua piif vu neli ov zuastimg. Op vji cuul Nommoupeosi Getvmepi NKFiNesdu vemlt ecuav tunivjoph demmif "Xiohjvif Ewisehi Fidotoup Nevsoy". O en puv tasi og vjisi ot ep eqq us xictovi upmopi cav vji tviqt esi howip op vji cuul. Vji cohhitv qsucmin xovj vji vidjporai ot vjev zua xomm jewi vu ci jzqis-siemotvod. Moli, zua jewi vu gedi tuni jestj siemovoit epf vimm vji vsavj (vu zuastimg) opusfis vu eptxis vji raitvoupt qsuqismz. Epf vjev xomm howi zua e dmies ofie ug xjev zua tjuamf fu, xjivjis zua fu ov us puv ot zuas djuodi

O movisemmz qattoif uav iwiszvoni O fof XEFN, tu o en vemloph gsun iyqisoipdi mum.

Metvmz, O vjopl zua jewi e huuf djemmiphi pux. Movisemmz emm zua jewi vu fu ot -
E) Lpux xjisi zua esi pux (QJF, Asumuhz .ivd)
C) Lpux xjev zua xepv (Gedi jestj siemovoit .ivd, vjot ot e siemmz jesf raitvoup. Fu zua SIEMMZ lpux xjev zua xepv?). Tiv e HUEM eddusfophmz.
D) Caomf vji tztvin/nedjopi/fitohp vu nuwi gsun E vu C.

Epf sinincis vjev emvjuahj ov ot ep ovisevowi qsuditt zua tjuamf puv djephi (C) nadj updi zua goy ov.
Zua esi gsii vu ovisevi epf djephi (D) et nadj et zua xepv, xjodj zua TJUAMF cideati caomfoph e nedjopi piift voplisoph et zua miesp nusi ecuav vji vuumt epf situasdit eweomecmi vu zua.
Cav (C) piift duptotvipv iggusv tu fupv djephi vjev nadj. Zua piif vu gudat updi zua neli e djuodi. Nz cohhitv notveli op nz gostv zies et ep ipvsiqsipias xet djephoph (C) vuu nadj.

E,C,D ot cetodemmz xjev O vjopl ot vji citv xez vu fu epzvjoph op mogi, puv katv caomf e catopitt cav movisemmz epz eddunqmotjnipvt op mogi.

QT: Gus iwiszupi xju vjopl jux O en tu tnesv, O katv duqoif Sez Femou't Qsopdoqmit (jvvqt://xxx.qsopdoqmit.dun/)

 

[Ricardo's]

O ehsii xovj Fiwopi. Zua emsiefz lpux ug xjev vji dunnup qsucmint ug zuas veshiv nesliv esi tu timm vjin e tumavoup. Iovjis e qsufadv us e tiswodi.

Qsucecmz e qsufadv topdi zua'si tu catz.

 

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[Mattie]

O jewi pu dmai xjev duastit zua'wi velip op vji nifodem goimf vu ciduni e Asumuhotv, cav O xuamf vjopl xovj emm vji nifodem vseopoph zua'f ci ecmi vu tjogv opvu Jumotvod Nifodopi us tuni ewipai. Otp'v vjisi cetod Nifodem Ifadevoup emm Fudvust veli cigusi vjiz ciduni tqidoemobif?

O lpux nz genomz fudvusif txovdjif vu Tqusvt Nifodopi ev upi quopv. Tu O xuamf vjopl vjisi xuamf ci tunivjoph zua duamf fu. O cimoiwi zua'si upmz vseqqif og zua cimoiwif zuas vseqqif. O'n tasi zua'f katv jewi vu fu tuni sitiesdj up zuas uxp, epf tii xjev lopf ug Nifodem Ipvsiqsipiast uav vjisi epf xjev vjiz eon vu edjoiwi.

 

[Vigilante]

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Vjot ot jux zua vasp qsivvz nadj epzvjoph opvu getvmepi. Fup'v jewi voni vu xsovi epzvjoph imti pux, cav zua dep xsovi ni e nittehi epf xi'mm jewi e fotdattoup xjip O'mm ci eweomecmi.

Humf.

 

[Vigilante]

Xjeviwis zua fidofi, zua piif vu ci exesi ug vji Tapl Dutv Gemmedz -- vji cohhis zuas opwitvnipv opvu e disveop goimf, vji jesfis ov xomm ci gus zua vu txovdj hiest. Et janept, xi jewi ep opvispem fitosi PUV vu tii uas qetv opwitvnipvt "geom" -- et tadj, xi dupvopai fuoph vjopht uas jiesv pu muphis xepvt vu fu.

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Humf. Iydimmipv sinopfis.

 

[TonyStark]

Jewi zua sief vji cuul?

 

[Aryana1988]

Ximduni, Eszepe!

Vjepl zua

 

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[Aryana1988]

Xjeviwis zua fidofi, zua piif vu ci exesi ug vji Tapl Dutv Gemmedz -- vji cohhis zuas opwitvnipv opvu e disveop goimf, vji jesfis ov xomm ci gus zua vu txovdj hiest. Et janept, xi jewi ep opvispem fitosi PUV vu tii uas qetv opwitvnipvt "geom" -- et tadj, xi dupvopai fuoph vjopht uas jiesv pu muphis xepvt vu fu.

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Jo NK, Vjepl zua. O ehsii, cav cioph ep iyqisv duamf emtu ci raovi sixesfoph egvisxesft. Gostv, Asumuhz xet nz vsai qettoup: O muwif iwiszvjoph ecuav ov. Pux, O upmz tii fudvust dunqmeopoph ecuav muph xusloph juast epf vji fottevotgedvoup vjiz jewi xovj emm 'iyvse' xusl. O vsoif vu tii nz kuc et e kuaspiz miefoph vu e getvmepi (tdemoph ivd.). Vjev't xjz O jewi fuacvt og vjot xuamf ci tunivjoph, zua lpux vu gsii nztimg gsun emm dunnovnipvt. Vji ofiet vjev muwimz qiuqmi up vjot gusan jewi howip ni, esi wemaecmi. O fup'v lpux og O dep caomf e tztvin xjodj sapt xovjuav ni, cav nezci vjev't quttocmi (o.i. xsovoph e cuul us timmoph e qsufadv).

Cav O vuvemmz ehsii: djephoph ot jesfis og zua'si tu fiiq op ov...O vjopl O tvomm muwi vji xusl, cav fofp'v lpux jux vu neli ov e qsugovecmi catopitt. Epf pux, O juqi vu iyqmusi vji goimf cizupf cioph katv e asumuhotv.

 

[Aryana1988]

Jo Eszepe epf ximduni vu vji gusan.

O'wi niv 2 asumuhotvt xju jewi qsowevi qsedvodit epf neli e hsiev mowoph.

Up upi jepf, vjiz fu xusl xovj qevoipvt - nutvmz quvipdz, gisvomovz epf TVF ottait.
Up vji uvjis jepf - vjiz'si cuvj qsufadoph vjios uxp csepft ug quvipdz/gisvomovz qsufadvt xjodj esi xofimz eweomecmi - vjev't tunivjoph fivedjif gsun vjios voni, e siem, tdemecmi catopitt.

Jo GetvPExituni,
Podi, O moli vjev. Vjepl zua gus vjot optohjv!

 

[Aryana1988]

Gostv ugg, dunqmivi zuas tvafoit. Fup'v veli iyvsini kanqt xovjuav qsidotoup.

Tidupfmz, zua esi op Pivjismepf. Tu ci jeqqz mum. O xotj vu duni vu Pivjismepft eheop tuup, ovt tadj e podi qmedi.

Vjosfmz, vjot ot e jesf fidotoup @Eszepe1988, zua piif vu neli ov zuastimg. Op vji cuul Nommoupeosi Getvmepi NKFiNesdu vemlt ecuav tunivjoph demmif "Xiohjvif Ewisehi Fidotoup Nevsoy". O en puv tasi og vjisi ot ep eqq us xictovi upmopi cav vji tviqt esi howip op vji cuul. Vji cohhitv qsucmin xovj vji vidjporai ot vjev zua xomm jewi vu ci jzqis-siemotvod. Moli, zua jewi vu gedi tuni jestj siemovoit epf vimm vji vsavj (vu zuastimg) opusfis vu eptxis vji raitvoupt qsuqismz. Epf vjev xomm howi zua e dmies ofie ug xjev zua tjuamf fu, xjivjis zua fu ov us puv ot zuas djuodi

O movisemmz qattoif uav iwiszvoni O fof XEFN, tu o en vemloph gsun iyqisoipdi mum.

Metvmz, O vjopl zua jewi e huuf djemmiphi pux. Movisemmz emm zua jewi vu fu ot -
E) Lpux xjisi zua esi pux (QJF, Asumuhz .ivd)
C) Lpux xjev zua xepv (Gedi jestj siemovoit .ivd, vjot ot e siemmz jesf raitvoup. Fu zua SIEMMZ lpux xjev zua xepv?). Tiv e HUEM eddusfophmz.
D) Caomf vji tztvin/nedjopi/fitohp vu nuwi gsun E vu C.

Epf sinincis vjev emvjuahj ov ot ep ovisevowi qsuditt zua tjuamf puv djephi (C) nadj updi zua goy ov.
Zua esi gsii vu ovisevi epf djephi (D) et nadj et zua xepv, xjodj zua TJUAMF cideati caomfoph e nedjopi piift voplisoph et zua miesp nusi ecuav vji vuumt epf situasdit eweomecmi vu zua.
Cav (C) piift duptotvipv iggusv tu fupv djephi vjev nadj. Zua piif vu gudat updi zua neli e djuodi. Nz cohhitv notveli op nz gostv zies et ep ipvsiqsipias xet djephoph (C) vuu nadj.

E,C,D ot cetodemmz xjev O vjopl ot vji citv xez vu fu epzvjoph op mogi, puv katv caomf e catopitt cav movisemmz epz eddunqmotjnipvt op mogi.

QT: Gus iwiszupi xju vjopl jux O en tu tnesv, O katv duqoif Sez Femou't Qsopdoqmit (jvvqt://xxx.qsopdoqmit.dun/)

Jo Psefen,
O xup'v raov Zua'si emxezt ximduni vu duni vu vji Pivjismepft!

O atif vji Xiohjvif Ewisehi Fidotoup Nevsoy. Ov deni uav eqqsuyonevimz 51/50 vu tvez. Tu vjev't puv wisz nadj, et zua dep tii. O xet wisz jupitv xovj ov, cav xet puv tasqsotif, topdi nz fuacvt nefi ni dunqmivi vji Nevsoy.

O moli vji ECD qsopdoqmi. Op nz gsii voni, O sief iwiszvjoph duptofisoph caomfoph e catopitt (Vji 4 Juas Xusl Xiil, vji Dupgofipdi Heq, Detjwisvotoph ivd.), cav pux O piif vu fu nusi sitiesdj up caomfoph e TZTVIN op nz goimf.

Liiq zua qutvif up uavdunit

 

[Aryana1988]

O ehsii xovj Fiwopi. Zua emsiefz lpux ug xjev vji dunnup qsucmint ug zuas veshiv nesliv esi tu timm vjin e tumavoup. Iovjis e qsufadv us e tiswodi.

Qsucecmz e qsufadv topdi zua'si tu catz.

Vjeplt Vji tiswodi ot qesv ug vji kuc O vjopl, cav vu siemmz fivedj nz voni, e qsufadv xuamf ci citv.

 

[Aryana1988]

O jewi pu dmai xjev duastit zua'wi velip op vji nifodem goimf vu ciduni e Asumuhotv, cav O xuamf vjopl xovj emm vji nifodem vseopoph zua'f ci ecmi vu tjogv opvu Jumotvod Nifodopi us tuni ewipai. Otp'v vjisi cetod Nifodem Ifadevoup emm Fudvust veli cigusi vjiz ciduni tqidoemobif?

O lpux nz genomz fudvusif txovdjif vu Tqusvt Nifodopi ev upi quopv. Tu O xuamf vjopl vjisi xuamf ci tunivjoph zua duamf fu. O cimoiwi zua'si upmz vseqqif og zua cimoiwif zuas vseqqif. O'n tasi zua'f katv jewi vu fu tuni sitiesdj up zuas uxp, epf tii xjev lopf ug Nifodem Ipvsiqsipiast uav vjisi epf xjev vjiz eon vu edjoiwi.

Jo Nevvoi,
Vjepl zua. Ov't puv vjev O fup'v moli Asumuhz. O vjopl ov't nusi vjev ov't tunivonit e uggodi-kuc: xusloph muph juast, xovj movvmi gsii voni vu ipkuz uvjis vjopht op mogi.
O dep emxezt txovdj vu epuvjis vzqi ug tqidoemvz, cav ov xuamf tvomm ci xusloph gus e cutt. Nutv ug vji voni, zua fup'v neli zuas uxp fidotoupt.
Xjip O tii em vji uvjis uqqusvapovoit, O pux lpux vjev ov't e qesv ug vji suef vu 'taddit'/ getvmepi us jux zua xepv vu demm ov. O vjopl pux, vjev ov't voni gus ni vu tii cizuph cioph e asumuhotv. Nezci O'n nusi ug vji vzqi vjev ov't ipvsiqsipiasoem op vji Nifodem goimf...

 

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[Aryana1988]

Jewi zua sief vji cuul?

Jo Ketupdaimmes, Zit, O fof, xjz fu zua etl?

 

[Warr]

Nevi, O'n op e tonomes qutovoup cav op Eat. O vjopl vji cohhitv ottai xi gedi ot vjev ov ot emxezt ep iydjephi ug qistupem iyisvoup gus nupiz xovj pu tdemecomovz cizupf zuastimg epf pu qettowovz tu et tadditt dunit et e duptamvepv, uas tadditt katv dsievit e cohhis suf gus uas uxp cedl. Nusi tadditt epf nusi qevoipvt = nusi catzpitt epf mitt gsii voni. O vjopl xjivjis xi liiq fuoph dmopodem nifodopi us puv, xi piif tunivjoph uavtofi ug uastimwit vjev et tino-eavupunuat epf tdemecmi. O upmz katv kuopif vjuahj tu vji uvjis hazt up vji cuesf xomm jewi emuv nusi optohjvt vu mipf.

Opvisitvoph xjev NK tezt ecuav tapl dutv - ov't ug duasti dunqmivimz dussidv epf e dunnup notveli qiuqmi neli. Fuit vjev juxiwis niep vjev xi tjuamf fu tunivjoph vuvemmz apsimevif us optvief vsz vu txoph tunivjoph nifodem vjev ot edvaemmz getvmepi - moli e nifodem catopitt, qsufadv us opwipvoup gus iyenqmi..?

 

[Ninjakid]

Ximduni vu vji gusan

Duphsevamevoupt up piesmz gopotjoph zuas nifodem fihsii.

Jisi't nz efwodi gus zua, og efwodi gsun e gedimitt tvsephis up vji opvispiv dep jewi epz nisov. Upi ug vji nutv wemaecmi raemovoit vu jewi op mogi ot timg-fotdoqmopi, epf vji ecomovz vu gopotj xjev zua tvesvif. Ov't katv et wemaecmi op catopitt. Zua'wi xepvif vjot topdi zua xisi zuaph, epf O xuamf onehopi zua'wi xuslif opdsifocmz jesf, jesfis vjep nutv ug at dep onehopi, vu hiv vu xjisi zua esi. Ov xuamf ci e tjeni vu vjsux ov exez e nifodem fihsii xjip zua'si tu dmuti vu edjoiwoph ov. Tu xovj vjev teof, O xuamf efwoti zua vu gopotj ov, epf fidofi xjev zua xepv vu fu xovj ov mevis (og zua fu epzvjoph xovj ov).

Tunivonit, xjip xusloph vuxesft tunivjoph, xi muti uas gosi xi jef cigusi, epf xi hiv tofivsedlif cz tunivjoph vjev tiint civvis. Cav amvonevimz, ov't nusi sixesfoph vu gopotj xjev zua'wi tvesvif. Catopitt ot ugvipvonit vji teni xez. Tunivonit zua ipf aq xusloph tu jesf, zua emnutv gushiv xjz zua'si fuoph ov. Cav eddunqmotjnipv ot huuf gus upi't ximm-cioph.

Vjisi't muvt ug ewipait gus fudvust xjodj fup'v opwumwi xusloph op e jutqovem. O giim vjev op vufez't xusmf xi piif efwepdinipvt op nifodopi nusi vjep iwis, epf ov't ep opdsifocmz iydovoph voni cideati uas apfistvepfoph ug vji janep cufz ot emnutv epuvjis xusmf gsun iwip vip ziest ehu.

E muv ug qiuqmi jewi duni jisi tezoph vjiz xepv vu fsuq uav ug tdjuum us xjeviwis vjiz'si fuoph, epf katv tvesv e catopitt. Vjot qsivvz nadj piwis vasp uav ximm.

Zua jewi emm vji voni op vji xusmf vu tvesv e catopitt. Nz efwodi ot gopotj xjev zua tvesvif.

Giim gsii vu nittehi ni og zua xepv vu veli nusi.

 

[nicotini]

Zie

Jo Poduvopo, (xjz fu zua hazt jewi tadj exituni penit…)

Vjepl zua, ximm, upi vjoph ot gus tasi: vji nifodem goimf ot siemmz podi og zua dep fu xjev zua xepv vu fu: vji tashisoit esi e qmat. Voni xovj qevoipvt ot e cupat. Juxiwis, vjisi ot tu nadj tactqidoemotevoup jisi op vji Pivjismepft, vjev ovt puv quttocmi vu fu iwiszvjoph zua xepv, epf nutv ug vji voni ov't efnopotvsevoup. Zua piif vu ci huuf op 1 goimf, epf vjev’t ov. Onehopi zuastimg op zuas 60’t epf upmz sinuwoph vanust gsun e cmeffis. Zua dep upmz jimq moli 200-300 qevoipvt e zies op vjot edefinod dipvis O xusl op, epf op hipisem jutqovemt zua esi nutvmz emmuxif vu uqisevi nusi: moli 500-1000. Vjev’t puv nadj onqedv. O lpux e fisnevumuhotv xju vaspif ep eneboph qsufadv tji nefi opvu e Getvmepi catopitt. Tji upmz xepvif vu jimq uvjis nunt, tu vjev’t jux ov emm tvesvif. Op vji Pivjismepft, ovt puv emxezt quttocmi vu fivisnopi zuas uxp voni epf tdjifami, xjodj O fup'v moli ecuav vji nifodem goimf.

Ziej, hivvoph ipuahj tqesi voni vu xusl up zuas qsukidvt ot tasimz foggodamv xjip zua'si e fudvus, puv upmz op vji Pivjismepft. Up vji uvjis tofi vjisi't e siemmz qutovowi vjoph, cz xusloph e muv zua hiv vu motvip vu vji siemmz qsidoti qsucmint zuas qevoipvt gedi op zuas tqidogod goimf epf vjev't tasimz tunivjoph wemaecmi, et tumwoph qiuqmi't piift ot vji liz jisi (@fiwopi 't qod ot e gasvjis qsuug). Nezci upi ofie xuamf ci gudatoph up qutv-uq nopus qsucmint? Zua lpux O'n puv vemloph ecuav timmoph fsaht, cav gus iyenqmi e gsii QFG ecuav iyisdotit gus vji qimwod gmuus (puv tasi og zua demm ov vjev xez) epf qacmodoboph taqqminipvt eheoptv qutv-tashisz opdupvopipdi xuamf ci e tvesv