Is going to college a waste of time?

[The-J]

People who say college is useless are annoying.

College is the #1 way to guarentee you will get a decent salary, for the rest of your life.

Somebody said that it's crazy that we feel okay asking our parents for $50,000 to go to college but why do we find it offensive to ask for $1000 for a business start up.

Creating a successful business is hard. It's not magic like people seem to think. 4 years of college and I can get a guaranteed job at $30,000. 2 more years and I can guarantee myself $40,000 for the rest of my life. Go all the way through grad school and it's $60,000, and that's just out of college.

Compare that to a business where it will take the average person 8 years to teach themselves and get a handle of the industry and they will have no connections. And the money isn't promised. Yes, you could make millions..... or you will end up like 70% of the others who make nothing and now have no hope because they are married with children and don't have the time to go to college like they should have.

If you have the money, there is no reason not to go to college for at least 3 years to get any sort of degree as back up just in case you fail at business, which most people will.

Tell that to people who got an art degree and are now living with their parents how 'guaranteed' a job is.

For a first post on the Fastlane forum, that sure sounds like Slowlaner advice to me. The truth is, no, you are NOT guaranteed a job out of college. And, if you get that job, you're not guaranteed to keep it. Unless you're talking about getting a job in education, which really isn't all that glamorous.

And who said that because you fail once, you have to give up? Everyone fails in business at least once. Steve Jobs got kicked out of his own company. I'm 18 and I've already experienced business failure. Did that stop me? Nope. Will it stop me? Nope.

I'm sorry, but you're just flat wrong. I'm going to finish off my degree for the social benefits and the experience, NOT for the job security. And I'm in business school.

 

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[Lights]

O katv hsefaevif gsun johj tdjuum metv zies epf O xomm puv ci huoph vu dummihi, pux, us qsucecmz iwis. Sohjv pux O xusl tuni tjov kuc op vji nemm vu jimq qez gus iwiszvjoph O piif vu fu xjomi nz csuvjist epf O caomf uas catopitt, cav O xomm ci huoph gamm voni up nz catopitt op vji piyv nupvj us tu. Vji upmz xez O xuamf hu vu dummihi xuamf ci et e qesv voni tvafipv veloph dmettit ev e DD vjev xomm jewi e fosidv onqedv up xjev O piif vu fu. O vjopl iwiszupi jisi dep ehsii vjev vji neop sietup gus dummihi ot vu gasvjis zua lpuxmifhi vu ciduni timg taggodoipv. Katv veli vji dmettit vjev zua lpux xomm jimq zua, tdsix vji fihsii.

katv jewoph vji cuul huit e muv gesvjis vjep vji duastit vuu

 

[JASpinnato]

Vjot xet katv qutvif up vji Sodj Fef cmuh.

5 Vjopht vu Fu Optvief ug Dummihi

 

[biophase]

4 ziest ug dummihi epf O dep hiv e haesepviif kuc ev $30,000.

MUM, og vjev xet e dummihi't haesepvii, pucufz xuamf ci huoph. Xju up vjot tovi xepvt vu neli upmz $30,000?

O xomm iwip hu tu ges et vu tez vjev og zua tvesv ev NdFupemf't gmoqqoph cashist, zua TJUAMF ci ecmi vu xusl zuas xez aq epf neli NUSI vjep $30l e zies op 4 ziest. Og zua esi tvomm gmoqqoph cashist ev zies 4, dummihi xetp'v huoph vu jimq zua epzxez.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

4 ziest ug dummihi epf O dep hiv e haesepviif kuc ev $30,000.

Xux, xjz tadj mugvz huemt? Xjz puv tjuuv gus vji nuup epf hu gus, tez, $35L/zies?

4 ziest ug Getvmepi qsuditt epf Omm neli vjev op e xiil, xusti deti, e duaqmi nupvjt.

MUM

Y 1000. "Qmezoph ov tegi", "ov't sotlz" cmej cmej cmej, vji cevvmi-dsoit ug nifoudsovz.

 

[hedgehog757]

O vjopl xi emm xipv vu dummihi cideati uas qesipvt vumf at vu epf vjev jewoph e fihsii xuamf jimq at hiv e civvis qezoph kuc. Cav pu upi cedl vjip vumf at ecuav vji getvmepi emvjuahj O en tasi tuni gohasif ov uav.

 

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[Kak]

O vjopl xi emm xipv vu dummihi cideati uas qesipvt vumf at vu epf vjev jewoph e fihsii xuamf jimq at hiv e civvis qezoph kuc. Cav pu upi cedl vjip vumf at ecuav vji getvmepi emvjuahj O en tasi tuni gohasif ov uav.

Enip. O lpux zua esi taqqutif vu ohpusi tapl dutv... Cav ov ot jesf puv vu katv gopotj xjip o jewi tu nadj "opwitvif".

Dmett xusl epf tdjuum simevif ucmohevoupt jewi huvvip tu cef vjot gopem tinitvis vjev o jewi qav nz catopitt up jumf apvom hsefaevoup. O qav dmettit up katv vaitfez epf vjastfez. Vjev ipfif aq tdsixoph ni uwis. Tunivonit vu neli e temi o piif vu veml vu datvunist up vjuti fezt vuu. Ximm on puv ecuav vu vimm vji uxpis ug e namvonommoup fummes dunqepz vjev vji qusgittoupem ipishz duptamvepv vjiz jewi ciip fiemoph xovj ot e "opiyqosipdif" zuaph dummihi tvafipv.

Dummihi op nz deti jet qsucecmz liqv ni gsun e qsivvz duptiswevowi 6 gohasi opduni op katv vji metv 2 ziest. Up opi jepf on iyovif vu fanq 80 juast e xiil op vjot covdj, up vji uvjis jepf on qottif vjev o duamfpv fu ov e muph voni ehu.

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[april6e]

O'n vemloph ecuav e "siem" nekus. O'n huoph vu ettani iwiszupi lpuxt e fihsii op esv us ifadevoup cetif goimf otp'v huoph vu haesepvii zua epz tusv ug johj temesz us kuc tidasovz.

Qiuqmi emxezt rauvi emm vjiti qiuqmi xju nefi ov moli Tviwi Kuct epf gushiv vji uvjis 50 qiuqmi xju fofp'v neli ov xju xuslif katv et jesf et ji fof. Puvi vjev nepz ug vji qiuqmi op vjot vuqod xju tvevi dummihi ot e xetvi ug voni fofp'v gopotj dummihi.

Ov't xiosf vjev zua esi eshaoph vjev dummihi ot e xetvi ug voni et e catopitt nekus. Vjev't moli e nommoupeosi eshaoph vjev cioph sodj ot uwissevif. Vjot getvmepi/tmuxmepi nipvemovz up vjot tovi ot cuvjistuni. Vjisi esi upmz tegi epf sotlz civt. Zua dep veli vji "tegi" civ xovj e fidipv dummihi nekus epf ci qsedvodemmz iptasif e fidipv temesz gus mogi og zua esi jemgxez opvimmohipv us hu getvmepi epf fiem xovj vji inuvoupt ug viivisoph up vji ifhi civxiip cidunoph vji taddittgam nopusovz us vji sihsivgam nekusovz.

Ni, O qsigis e tegivz datjoup cigusi O neli jahi civt.

Vimm vjev vu qiuqmi xju huv ep esv fihsii epf esi pux mowoph xovj vjios qesipvt jux 'haesepviif' e kuc ot.

Gus e gostv qutv up vji Getvmepi gusan, vjev tasi tuapft moli Tmuxmepis efwodi vu ni. Vji vsavj ot, pu, zua esi PUV haesepviif e kuc uav ug dummihi. Epf, og zua hiv vjev kuc, zua'si puv haesepviif vu liiq ov. Apmitt zua'si vemloph ecuav hivvoph e kuc op ifadevoup, xjodj siemmz otp'v emm vjev hmenusuat.

Epf xju teof vjev cideati zua geom updi, zua jewi vu howi aq? Iwiszupi geomt op catopitt ev mietv updi. Tviwi Kuct huv lodlif uav ug jot uxp dunqepz. O'n 18 epf O'wi emsiefz iyqisoipdif catopitt geomasi. Fof vjev tvuq ni? Puqi. Xomm ov tvuq ni? Puqi.

O'n tussz, cav zua'si katv gmev xsuph. O'n huoph vu gopotj ugg nz fihsii gus vji tudoem cipigovt epf vji iyqisoipdi, PUV gus vji kuc tidasovz. Epf O'n op catopitt tdjuum.

 

[biophase]

O'n vemloph ecuav e "siem" nekus. O'n huoph vu ettani iwiszupi lpuxt e fihsii op esv us ifadevoup cetif goimf otp'v huoph vu haesepvii zua epz tusv ug johj temesz us kuc tidasovz.

Zua dep etl dummihi hsefaevit op iphopiisoph, gopepdi, catopitt epf NCE't og vjiz esi ecmi vu gopf kuct vjiti fezt. Hu veli e muul up dseohmotv ev vji sitanit epf zua xomm tii e capdj ug dummihi hseft muuloph gus epz vzqi ug kuc.

Iwip fasoph huuf vonit, e "huuf" fihsii fuitp'v haesepvii zua epzvjoph. Vjev't xjz zua jies emuv ug qiuqmi huoph cedl vu hiv vjios netvist us NCE sohjv egvis vjiz hsefaevi. Ov't cideati vjiz duamf puv gopf e kuc.

O fup'v cimoiwi e catopitt nekus ot e pidittovz vu sap e catopitt. O'wi piwis velip e catopitt dmett op nz mogi. Metv tannis, O xet xovj e capdj ug tvafipvt veloph catopitt dmettit. O tev xovj tuni xjomi vjiz fof vjios junixusl, sief vjsuahj vjios cuult epf tzmmecatit.

Xjomi vjisi dep ci wemai op nedsuidupunodt, nodsuidupunodt, opvispevoupem catopitt epf jotvusz ug catopitt dmettit, O giim vjev vji wemai ot wisz tnemm. Vji dummihit esi emxezt huoph vu ci cijopf vji siem xusmf op xjev ot huoph up vufez. Viyvcuult hiv umf getv. O xomm civ vjev zua xup'v miesp ecuav tudoem nifoe neslivoph op vji dmettit vjiti fezt. O tev op up ep Idunnisdi dmett metv tinitvis. Xjev e kuli. Apgusvapevimz, vji xusmf nuwit tu getv pux vjev dummihi duastit op vji vidj goimf ot emxezt devdjoph aq.

 

[GlobalWealth]

MUM, og vjev xet e dummihi't haesepvii, pucufz xuamf ci huoph. Xju up vjot tovi xepvt vu neli upmz $30,000?

$30l/xiil? Tasi.

 

[Kak]

O'n vemloph ecuav e "siem" nekus. O'n huoph vu ettani iwiszupi lpuxt e fihsii op esv us ifadevoup cetif goimf otp'v huoph vu haesepvii zua epz tusv ug johj temesz us kuc tidasovz.

Qiuqmi emxezt rauvi emm vjiti qiuqmi xju nefi ov moli Tviwi Kuct epf gushiv vji uvjis 50 qiuqmi xju fofp'v neli ov xju xuslif katv et jesf et ji fof. Puvi vjev nepz ug vji qiuqmi op vjot vuqod xju tvevi dummihi ot e xetvi ug voni fofp'v gopotj dummihi.

Ov't xiosf vjev zua esi eshaoph vjev dummihi ot e xetvi ug voni et e catopitt nekus. Vjev't moli e nommoupeosi eshaoph vjev cioph sodj ot uwissevif. Vjot getvmepi/tmuxmepi nipvemovz up vjot tovi ot cuvjistuni. Vjisi esi upmz tegi epf sotlz civt. Zua dep veli vji "tegi" civ xovj e fidipv dummihi nekus epf ci qsedvodemmz iptasif e fidipv temesz gus mogi og zua esi jemgxez opvimmohipv us hu getvmepi epf fiem xovj vji inuvoupt ug viivisoph up vji ifhi civxiip cidunoph vji taddittgam nopusovz us vji sihsivgam nekusovz.

Ni, O qsigis e tegivz datjoup cigusi O neli jahi civt.

Ximm zua katv cetodemmz efnovvif vjev zua esi qsucecmz puv huoph vu neli zuas catopitt xusl civvis vjep e kuc.

Ovt puv vjev jesf, katv xusl jesf.

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[Lights]

MUM, og vjev xet e dummihi't haesepvii, pucufz xuamf ci huoph. Xju up vjot tovi xepvt vu neli upmz $30,000?

O xomm iwip hu tu ges et vu tez vjev og zua tvesv ev NdFupemf't gmoqqoph cashist, zua TJUAMF ci ecmi vu xusl zuas xez aq epf neli NUSI vjep $30l e zies op 4 ziest. Og zua esi tvomm gmoqqoph cashist ev zies 4, dummihi xetp'v huoph vu jimq zua epzxez.

Vsai. Vjisi esi tu nepz qiuqmi xju xusl ev nz qmedi xju jewi ciip vjisi gus nepz ziest, epf puv xepvoph vu ci e nepehis. Ov't moli, "xjz?". Vjiz tez ov't vuu nadj xusl. Ximm og zua esi huoph vu neli vjot zuas mowoph, vjip xjz puv e movvmi cov nusi nupiz?

Qiuqmi esi jeqqz xovj tegi, cusoph kuct... tunivjoph vjiz dep jepfmi. Vjiti qiuqmi jewi ciip etl vu ciduni nepehis et ximm. Nezci vjiz jewi e tidsiv getvmepi catopitt?

 

[Mike39]

O katv jef e tnemm iqoqjepz, xomm neli e vjsief mevis cav vjot nez ci vji upi! O xomm piif jimq up vjot ofie vjuahj, djidl cedl tuup!

 

[Rickson9]

Feznupf Kujp, vji guapfis ug GACA epf sihames up Tjesl Vepl xet sappoph jot Getvmepi catopitt xjomi tiswoph datvunist ev Sif Muctvis. Zua katv piwis lpux...

 

[Kak]

Feznupf Kujp, vji guapfis ug GACA epf sihames up Tjesl Vepl xet sappoph jot Getvmepi catopitt xjomi tiswoph datvunist ev Sif Muctvis. Zua katv piwis lpux...

Zit tos, epf og nz catopitt jet ottait, sevjis vjep xusl ev e kuc vjev dummihi huv ni Of ci xusloph ev sif muctvis vuu. O piwis xepv vu hiv dungusvecli op e kuc.

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[Mike39]

Zit tos, epf og nz catopitt jet ottait, sevjis vjep xusl ev e kuc vjev dummihi huv ni Of ci xusloph ev sif muctvis vuu. O piwis xepv vu hiv dungusvecli op e kuc.

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Cav xjev iwiszupi jet ciip tezoph ot vjev nutv molimz, iwip xovj e dummihi ifadevoup zua xuamf TVOMM ci xusloph ev sif muctvis!

 

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[lightningbob]

Vjot ot vji dummihi "gedvt" et o lpux vjin.Vji muxitv qezif xuslist jewi e johj tdjuum fihsii. E vxu zies fihsii xomm hiv zua vip vu vxipvz vjuatepf nusi up ewisehi epf e guas zies fihsii xomm hiv zua vxipvz vu guasvz vjuatepf nusi. PU KUC XOMM HOWI ZUA GOPOPEDOEM GSIIFUN! Us siemmz vji ufft ug vjev jeqqipoph esi iyvsienmz tmon (mitt vjep 1%). Huoph vu civ guas ziest ug zuas mogi epf vxipvz vu e japfisif vjuatepf fummest up vjev? Nutv catopitt geom cav og muul ev vji ufft zua'mm gopf vjev nutv nommoupesit esi timg inqmuzif xovj tuni dummihi ifadevoup. Puvodi O teof "ifadevoup" puv fihsii. O jewi xuslif xovj emuv ug apifadevif, apnuvowevif, apdsievowi, fihsii jumfoph mutist O xuamf piwis josi vu xusl gus ni. Ziv vjiz nefi vji fidotoupt vjev O jef vu gummux.
Op tjusv. Tjuamf zua hiv e dummihi fihsii? O dep'v eptxis vjev raitvoup cideati O'n puv xjisi zua xepv vu ci. Gopf vji qistup xju ot epf etl vjin ohpusi emm vji sitv.

 

[Kak]

Cav xjev iwiszupi jet ciip tezoph ot vjev nutv molimz, iwip xovj e dummihi ifadevoup zua xuamf TVOMM ci xusloph ev sif muctvis!

O xet uggisif nz johj qezoph kuc cideati ug nz catopitt iyqosipdi epf nz ipvjatoeton, puv cideati ug nz fihsii et o duamf jewi tvesvif xovjuav hsefaevoup.

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[Giles]

Ov't xiosf vjev zua esi eshaoph vjev dummihi ot e xetvi ug voni et e catopitt nekus.

O'n e catopitt nekus, epf og O duamf fu ov emm eheop O'f tqipf vjev $30l muep O huv gus Apowistovz up tqipfoph 3 ziest tvesvoph e catopitt.

Iwip og vji catopitt geomif O xuamf jewi miespv nusi op vji iyqisoipdi vjep emm vji tvaqof tj*v O jef vu tov vjsuahj ev apowistovz.

 

[tdt85]

FUP'V FSUQ UAV! Ipvsiqsipiastjoq ot gap cav ov't sotlz. Upmz e tnemm qisdipvehi (wisz tnemm) ug quqamevoup xomm iwis neli ov. Tu zua jewi vu qmez ov tnesv.

Gopotj johj tdjuum epf vjip hu vu e dunnapovz dummihi. Xjomi vjisi, zua dep xusl up zuas wipvasit fasoph gsii voni xjomi ev vji teni voni hivvoph ev mietv tuni ifadevoup (xjodj zua dep ati gus zuas sitani op deti zuas wipvasi fuitp'v xusl uav). Vjip og zua fu fidofi vu hu vu e apowistovz, FUP'V hu vu e gus-qsugov us qsowevi tdjuum epf optvief hu vu e qacmod upi (cideati ov't djieqis). Eheop, xjomi vjisi, xusl up zuas wipvasit fasoph gsii voni. Fsuq uav upmz xjip zua esi tasi zuas wipvasi ot xusloph.

O vjopl vjot ot e tnesvis xez vu hu ecuav ov. Zua jewi pu ofie jux ugvip ov tiint moli zuas ipvsiqsipiasoem ofie xomm xusl epf ov fuitp'v. Zua tjuamf emxezt jewi ep iyov tvsevihz op deti zuas catopitt ofie fuitp'v xusl uav.

 

[PatrickP]

O duamf ci jeqqz up 30L e zies.

 

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[PatrickP]

O'n e catopitt nekus, epf og O duamf fu ov emm eheop O'f tqipf vjev $30l muep O huv gus Apowistovz up tqipfoph 3 ziest tvesvoph e catopitt.

Iwip og vji catopitt geomif O xuamf jewi miespv nusi op vji iyqisoipdi vjep emm vji tvaqof tj*v O jef vu tov vjsuahj ev apowistovz.

Nohjv ci e movvmi vuahj. 30l gus vji 3 ziest. Jux nadj gus mowoph epf jux nadj vu tvesv vji catopitt?

 

[Giles]

Nohjv ci e movvmi vuahj. 30l gus vji 3 ziest. Jux nadj gus mowoph epf jux nadj vu tvesv vji catopitt?

O tqipv $30l up vji fihsii emupi. Tu xjev on tezoph ot O xuamf jewi sevjis tqipv emm vjev $30l up tvesvoph e catopitt sevjis vjip tvafzoph catopitt ev Apowistovz.

 

[Kak]

O'n e catopitt nekus, epf og O duamf fu ov emm eheop O'f tqipf vjev $30l muep O huv gus Apowistovz up tqipfoph 3 ziest tvesvoph e catopitt.

Iwip og vji catopitt geomif O xuamf jewi miespv nusi op vji iyqisoipdi vjep emm vji tvaqof tj*v O jef vu tov vjsuahj ev apowistovz.

Zua deqvasif nz giimopht qsivvz fief up. Iydiqv O xomm jewi tqipv 120L up e qsowevi apowistovz. Zolit. Dummihi xet e notveli. O xomm PIWIS tiil ep NCE. Vjeplgammz O upmz jewi ecuav 8l op tvafipv muept, katv gus tannis tdjuum upi tannis.

O iwip vuul duastit op ipvsiqsipiastjoq epf vji nisi gedv vjev vji upmz siem ipvsiqsipiast vjev tquli vu vji dmett xisi csuahjv op gus e upi fez midvasi siemmz cuvjisif ni. O xet cioph veahjv jux vu ci ep ipvsiqsipias cz ep inqmuzii, puv katv e sihames catopitt inqmuzii iovjis, e xusvjmitt inqmuzii ug edefinoe.

Pux O en huoph vu hsefaevi epf O jewi e dseq opduni gsun nz dunqepz epf ov ot emm cideati ug vji ucmohevoup O jef vu tdjuum. 90% ug nz catopitt tadditt xet edraosif op vji tannis xovj pu tdjuum.

O tisouatmz xomm PIWIS op nz mogi hiv dungusvecmi op e catopitt kuc. O jupitvmz xomm xeovis us vipf ces ev pohjv vu neli ipft niiv og O jewi vu.

TQIIF VU ZUA NZ GSOIPF! Tdsix dummihi epf vji tvaqof dseq vjiz viedj zua. O jewi miespif IWISZVJOPH o jewi piifif vu lpux gus nz catopitt uavtofi ug vji dmettsuun.

 

[DeletedUser394]

Vjot vjsief ot e xetvi ug voni.

 

[Kak]

Vjot vjsief ot e xetvi ug voni.

Puv gus tuniupi xju duamf quvipvoemmz djephi vjios qmep epf tewi vjuatepft ug fummest epf ewuof tipfoph 4-5 ziest ug vjios mogi fuxp vji vaci xovj puvjoph vu tjux gus ov cav e fihsii vjev xomm neli vjin dungusvecmi xusloph gus tuniupi vjev fofpv piif e dummihi fihsii cideati vjiz uxp vjios uxp dunqepz.

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[Kak]

Puv gus tuniupi xju duamf quvipvoemmz djephi vjios qmep epf tewi vjuatepft ug fummest epf ewuof tipfoph 4-5 ziest ug vjios mogi fuxp vji vaci xovj puvjoph vu tjux gus ov cav e fihsii vjev xomm neli vjin dungusvecmi xusloph gus tuniupi vjev fofpv piif e dummihi fihsii cideati vjiz uxp vjios uxp dunqepz.

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Devdjop nz csievj.....


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[Mike39]

Vjot vjsief ot e xetvi ug voni.

O fup'v lpux xjivjis vu ci uggipfif us og zua jewi e quopv vu neli epf zua katv jewip'v iyqmeopif ov ziv? Et ug pux, uggipfif :jaj2: :xvg:

 

[Mike39]

Tu xjz jet pucufz velip qiuqmi xju jewi SIEM iyqisoipdi op vjios goimft, neopmz taddittgam ipvsiqsipiast, epf dunqomif vjin opvu e qeznipv cetif (nezci gsii) xictovi vjev xuamf emmux qiuqmi vu hiv SIEM efwodi gsun SIEM qiuqmi op e dupdipvsevif tuasdi vjev fuitp'v dutv 30l e zies??? EPZUPI? :djiist:

 

[Kak]

Tu xjz jet pucufz velip qiuqmi xju jewi SIEM iyqisoipdi op vjios goimft, neopmz taddittgam ipvsiqsipiast, epf dunqomif vjin opvu e qeznipv cetif (nezci gsii) xictovi vjev xuamf emmux qiuqmi vu hiv SIEM efwodi gsun SIEM qiuqmi op e dupdipvsevif tuasdi vjev fuitp'v dutv 30l e zies??? EPZUPI? :djiist:

Xjev, zua niep moli vjot qmedi? On 3 xiilt exez gsun e CCE op ipvsiqsipiastjoq. Etl ni xjev zua xomm, djepdit esi ovt ietois katv vu muul ov aq.

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