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Back pain after a "good" night’s sleep.

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You should get 8 hours of sleep, bla bla bla.
Its f!cking impossible!

I`ve been putting real effort into trying to get my sleep in order.
Eating earlier in the day, staying away from coffee, make sure that I dont work pass 12:00 AM as I usually did, getting up early so I can do most of my work in the morning.
Bought a new thick memory foam matress, new pillows, put a timer on all the routers, no electronics of any kind in the bedroom etc.

Basically I try to follow all the advice I find here and there.

HOWEVER.

While making a habit of going to bed earlier and making time for 8 hours of sleep is the easy part.
Its the actual sleeping thats sh!t.
Anything pass 5-6 hours and when I wake up I feel as if I was kicked in the back all night.
Like what the hell!?
If I sleep 5 hours I feel tired, if I sleep 7-8 hours I have to unfold myself like origami for 2 hours in the morning.

It wasnt always like this, I remember when I used to be able to sleep in my twenties.
Now its just a sh!t experience.
Maybe its because I`m approaching middle age, but there has to be a way to deal with this.
I hate the choice of either not sleeping enough or having backpain.
 
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Yes, I did try multiple types of sleeping beds.
This is why I bought a new mattress AND I tried the couch, which is pretty comfy.
So in total 3 different sleeping locations, same result.
 

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Do you exercise and lift weights weekly?

I've found if I don't exercise my back hard, it starts to hurt after 1-2 weeks.
Just starts to get weak.


If I do squats and all that stuff, it stays strong, and feels great.
If I don't work it out aggressively, it hurts.
 

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Do you exercise and lift weights weekly?
Yes, I workout 4-5 times per week for about 1.5-2 hours.
I have a routine, so I always hit the back at least once per week.
 
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You should get 8 hours of sleep, bla bla bla.
Its f!cking impossible!

I`ve been putting real effort into trying to get my sleep in order.
Eating earlier in the day, staying away from coffee, make sure that I dont work pass 12:00 AM as I usually did, getting up early so I can do most of my work in the morning.
Bought a new thick memory foam matress, new pillows, put a timer on all the routers, no electronics of any kind in the bedroom etc.

Basically I try to follow all the advice I find here and there.

HOWEVER.

While making a habit of going to bed earlier and making time for 8 hours of sleep is the easy part.
Its the actual sleeping thats sh!t.
Anything pass 5-6 hours and when I wake up I feel as if I was kicked in the back all night.
Like what the hell!?
If I sleep 5 hours I feel tired, if I sleep 7-8 hours I have to unfold myself like origami for 2 hours in the morning.

It wasnt always like this, I remember when I used to be able to sleep in my twenties.
Now its just a sh!t experience.
Maybe its because I`m approaching middle age, but there has to be a way to deal with this.
I hate the choice of either not sleeping enough or having backpain.
Currently traveling is SE Asia and at first I thought the bed was like sleeping on concrete, it was so hard. Took a couple of days to get used to it but it's so much better for my back. (I didn't have a back injury until a chiropractor for a quick alignment that went horribly wrong).

I do lift weights most days and think it helps. Yoga is another activity that really helps for back pain.

Not sure if it's part of the question about how to get more sleep...for some, caffeine can be a factor and stays in the system for several hours.
 

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Yes, I workout 4-5 times per week for about 1.5-2 hours.
I have a routine, so I always hit the back at least once per week.

Could it be caused by inflexibility/tightness in your back muscles?
 

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You should get 8 hours of sleep, bla bla bla.
Its f!cking impossible!

I`ve been putting real effort into trying to get my sleep in order.
Eating earlier in the day, staying away from coffee, make sure that I dont work pass 12:00 AM as I usually did, getting up early so I can do most of my work in the morning.
Bought a new thick memory foam matress, new pillows, put a timer on all the routers, no electronics of any kind in the bedroom etc.

Basically I try to follow all the advice I find here and there.

HOWEVER.

While making a habit of going to bed earlier and making time for 8 hours of sleep is the easy part.
Its the actual sleeping thats sh!t.
Anything pass 5-6 hours and when I wake up I feel as if I was kicked in the back all night.
Like what the hell!?
If I sleep 5 hours I feel tired, if I sleep 7-8 hours I have to unfold myself like origami for 2 hours in the morning.

It wasnt always like this, I remember when I used to be able to sleep in my twenties.
Now its just a sh!t experience.
Maybe its because I`m approaching middle age, but there has to be a way to deal with this.
I hate the choice of either not sleeping enough or having backpain.
If you have that amount of stiffness or pain in the back in the morning, you may want to visit your doctor to exclude Bechterew‘s disease. Especially if it has been going on for a while and your efforts with other sleeping arrangements did not help.
 
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I had similar problem, fixed it with a more firm bed.

You can also try one of these knee-pillows:

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3 things you could try:

CBD oil, Magnesium, yoga. Even if you didn't have such problems those are good for you to relief pain and help sleep better.
 

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first go to the doctor to make sure nothing structural
then hit the physical therapist and get some exercises for any unbalances / issues
then feed those to your trainer and do the work

Wait, you just switched mattresses? so a story .... i bought the purple mattress on the recommendation of a few other fastlaners. the first week was AGONY! i woke up in the weirdest positions and in major pain. see, the mattress eliminates the pressure points that make you move around during the night. so i would wake up like a pretzel and in massive back and core pain. i had to 'learn' how to sleep on the new mattress. start on back, pillow between knees when on side, blankets to hold me in a spot. be patient. if still in pain in two weeks, do the items at the top of this post.
 
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Sounds like The new mattress is the issue.
your old mattress would of had a “you” size dent in it! The new one will support you differently so give it a couple of weeks to adjust.

In the mean time keep to your normal bed/waking routine as best you can.
If you have a bad night try a hot shower as soon as you get up to loosen off your muscles.
Maybe a dynamic stretching routine for 10 mins or go for a walk if you have the time.

Good luck.
 

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You should get 8 hours of sleep, bla bla bla.
Its f!cking impossible!

I`ve been putting real effort into trying to get my sleep in order.
Eating earlier in the day, staying away from coffee, make sure that I dont work pass 12:00 AM as I usually did, getting up early so I can do most of my work in the morning.
Bought a new thick memory foam matress, new pillows, put a timer on all the routers, no electronics of any kind in the bedroom etc.

Basically I try to follow all the advice I find here and there.

HOWEVER.

While making a habit of going to bed earlier and making time for 8 hours of sleep is the easy part.
Its the actual sleeping thats sh!t.
Anything pass 5-6 hours and when I wake up I feel as if I was kicked in the back all night.
Like what the hell!?
If I sleep 5 hours I feel tired, if I sleep 7-8 hours I have to unfold myself like origami for 2 hours in the morning.

It wasnt always like this, I remember when I used to be able to sleep in my twenties.
Now its just a sh!t experience.
Maybe its because I`m approaching middle age, but there has to be a way to deal with this.
I hate the choice of either not sleeping enough or having backpain.
Sorry to hear about the aggravating pain.

Have you considered seeing a chiropractor who specializes in subluxations/misaligned atlas bones?

I go to one locally and it has been magic for me. Years ago, I went running and sprinting. When I got home, my back was like that of a 93 old with arthritis - completely stiff. It took me 5 minutes just to get out of bed and 2 minutes to go up one flight of stairs. It was scary!

I went to see this chiropractor and all he did was press down on my neck briefly. Almost instantly, the pain and stiffness was gone. I've been a regular customer of his for nearly 10 years now for maintenance purposes but I never had a repeat of that awful situation.

And the cool thing is he never does all of these weird contortion-type things where you fold your leg over your head while he lies on top of you like a horny bear and cracks something. It's just a simple push of the neck and you are done.

Suggested is to look up "chiropractor atlas adjustment" or "atlas subluxation chiropractor" for your area and set up an appointment. Could really help you out!
 

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Thank you all for the suggestions and advice.
To summurize:

1. Try a harder/firmer mattress and knee pilows.
2. More stretching with yoga like exersices.
3. Check with a doctor to confirm/rule out Bechterew‘s disease and make sure its something/nothing structural.
4. CBD oil (crystals I assume, but I already tried those)
5. Physical therapy
6. Hot shower and stretching in the morning.
7. Visit a chiropractor who specializes in subluxations/misaligned atlas bones.

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I`ll try all of them one after the other (some at the same time)
And I`ll share results.
 
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Thank you all for the suggestions and advice.
To summurize:

1. Try a harder/firmer mattress and knee pilows.
2. More stretching with yoga like exersices.
3. Check with a doctor to confirm/rule out Bechterew‘s disease and make sure its something/nothing structural.
4. CBD oil (crystals I assume, but I already tried those)
5. Physical therapy
6. Hot shower and stretching in the morning.
7. Visit a chiropractor who specializes in subluxations/misaligned atlas bones.

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I`ll try all of them one after the other (some at the same time)
And I`ll share results.
If you're just waking up sore/sleeping wrong these are good places to start. For the most part how is your sleep in general? Do you sleep through the night or wake up multiple times? Do you generally wake up feeling refreshed mentally (obviously not physically)?

I'd avoid the chiropractor - the whole field is founded on witch science from the 1800s (I was going to school to be a physical therapist a few years ago before I dropped out). Physical therapy is a great place to start. Massages and a foam roller could help too!
 

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I believe I had the same issue as yourself, I drive a lot and have no lower back support in the car I use (I am a sales rep - see customers face to face)

I purchased a memory foam pillow for my car seat and saw a massage therapist who worked in the area of sports medicine and cupping.

I saw huge results after the season (within two days) - I also now do some simple streches through out the day and before bed / wake up.

I am a large boi - the added weight [overweight at the moment] doesn't help and with my height of 6ft 4, getting in and out of a car all day caused this pain for me.

My suggestion is see a massage therapist (not one of those dodgy ones with happy endings) but one with sports medicine and deep tissue as a specialist (I did cupping but I know this may be a bit out their for some)

Best of luck
 

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Does it feel like you got kicked in the lower back/kidney area? If so, this happens to me if I sleep on my back with my legs leaning on one side.

If I sleep on my back with my legs flat and extended, it's fine. Ditto if I sleep on my side. But laying on my back with my legs bent and leaning on one side? Pretty bad pain in the morning.
 
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I have the same as you, but mine is upper back pain. Has nothing to do with mattress or sleeping position. I’m beginning to think mine is an inflammatory condition that just triggers at night when the back relaxes.

It’s worsened by weight lifting. If I do back exercises, next morning I will barely be able to breathe and it will wake me up. If I don’t, it’s a light pain. In both cases, the pain goes away within 20-30mins of waking up and getting out of bed.

It started after a 1-year + of serious weight lifting, where I guess I overtrained my chest compred to my back. Haven’t yet been able to figure out exactly what it is or how to solve it, but I’ve dialed down on all the weight lifting. I’ve had it for about 3 months now… it has slowly reduced as I’ve reduced weight lifting.

Stretching, especially at night greatly helps. If you have a back stretcher use it for 30mins ofn the spot. If I do that, pain goes completely or almost completely the next day.
 

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Ok, so here are the results so far:

Hot showers did f!ck all. My guess is there is no tightness in the muscle to loosen.
CBD(I use crystals), while it helps me fall asleep, doesnt do anything for the pain in the morning.

Morning stretching kind of did the trick.
It just reduces the time of the pain, which is very good, but still, doesnt address the source I think.
But again, 1 hour less of pain in the morning is a big win in my book!

My GP gave me a "medical direction" (which has no direct translation in english) for a physical therapist for next week, so we`ll see how that goes.

I havent found a chiropractor yet, I dont just want to go to someone from an internet ad, still asking around friends to see if anyone has info on a good one.
 

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You seem to have checked most of the boxes.
Make sure the room is dark and cold, and try a different mattress and see if you notice any difference.

Other than that, make sure your health is on point. If you don't breathe properly during the night, or you eat food that you have mild allergies to, that could totally interfere with sleep.

If you're serious about this I would suggest getting a sleep tracking device to measure the progress when changing things up.
 
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I`m 37 and struggled with lower back pain for about 10 years. (I`m tall and rather skinny) Went to dozens of osteopats, chiropractors, got an MRI done with a medical physician, took "back revalidation classes" at the hospital etc. I had a bit of degeneration of my lower 2 discs, but nothing that would really explain the pain I had when sitting for more than 5 minutes or even when sleeping.

What helped me a lot was when I started doing Pilates with a really good private instructor every week. Pilates focuses completely on using your core for exercises and also daily movements. Very slowly things started to get better. Now 3 years later I`m still doing matt exercises (including stretches) and I would say my issues disappeared for 70-80%. I still feel it but it is a lot more manageable.

Also, what helps me to feel better is to do a lot of exercise. (i.e. cardio, walking fast, elyptical, swimming)

Hope that helps. Let me know if you want to know more
 

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Ok, so here are the results so far:

Hot showers did f!ck all. My guess is there is no tightness in the muscle to loosen.
CBD(I use crystals), while it helps me fall asleep, doesnt do anything for the pain in the morning.

Morning stretching kind of did the trick.
It just reduces the time of the pain, which is very good, but still, doesnt address the source I think.
But again, 1 hour less of pain in the morning is a big win in my book!

My GP gave me a "medical direction" (which has no direct translation in english) for a physical therapist for next week, so we`ll see how that goes.

I havent found a chiropractor yet, I dont just want to go to someone from an internet ad, still asking around friends to see if anyone has info on a good one.
I've found Yelp to be fairly reliable and Facebook group reviews are helpful as well. You can search for a chiro on either in your area and see what they say. As I'd mentioned previously, I'd suggest looking into one who specializes in adjusting your atlas bone. No weird contortions or devices - they just press on your neck briefly and it aligns everything else!
 

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Yes, I workout 4-5 times per week for about 1.5-2 hours.
I have a routine, so I always hit the back at least once per week.
How hard are your workouts? Thats a lot of volume if its fairly intense weight training. You may be overtraining which coukd cause back pain and poor sleep.
 
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Thank you all for the suggestions and advice.
To summurize:

1. Try a harder/firmer mattress and knee pilows.
2. More stretching with yoga like exersices.
3. Check with a doctor to confirm/rule out Bechterew‘s disease and make sure its something/nothing structural.
4. CBD oil (crystals I assume, but I already tried those)
5. Physical therapy
6. Hot shower and stretching in the morning.
7. Visit a chiropractor who specializes in subluxations/misaligned atlas bones.

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I`ll try all of them one after the other (some at the same time)
And I`ll share results.
So Ive went through the whole list.

Aint got no bones missaligned or Bechterew‘s disease.
Tried a firm bed for a week, on vacation I made sure to sleep on a "hard" bed. It was a little better, but still not the cause.
The pillows, harder and bigger wre of help, I can say for sure that soft and small pillows are not for me.
Found a chiropractor, but that did nothing, just relief for a few days.
The biggest problem with chiropractors is that no ine is available when you need them. The mornings when I'm most in pain no one can take me because they already have people lined up for the day, and I have to wait for at least a day to get "adjusted". So its hard to tell if there iw anny effect outside of placebo.

Most effective so far is:
1. Cutting my sleep short at about the 6:30 mark so I dont get sore.
2. Stretching right after I wake.
3. Larger and firmer pillows.

Nothing really helps all the way, 5 days ago I overslept and it hurt so bad I couldnt sit for an hour after I woke up, I could just stand straight and walk.
 

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So Ive went through the whole list.

Aint got no bones missaligned or Bechterew‘s disease.
Tried a firm bed for a week, on vacation I made sure to sleep on a "hard" bed. It was a little better, but still not the cause.
The pillows, harder and bigger wre of help, I can say for sure that soft and small pillows are not for me.
Found a chiropractor, but that did nothing, just relief for a few days.
The biggest problem with chiropractors is that no ine is available when you need them. The mornings when I'm most in pain no one can take me because they already have people lined up for the day, and I have to wait for at least a day to get "adjusted". So its hard to tell if there iw anny effect outside of placebo.

Most effective so far is:
1. Cutting my sleep short at about the 6:30 mark so I dont get sore.
2. Stretching right after I wake.
3. Larger and firmer pillows.

Nothing really helps all the way, 5 days ago I overslept and it hurt so bad I couldnt sit for an hour after I woke up, I could just stand straight and walk.
I have literarily the same problem as you. Only in the morning then goes away, and nothing seems to help. Mine has being going on for 6 months.

So here’s what has actually helped:
• Pushups - do at least 100 per day
• Pull ups - 10/day at least
• This self-massage:
View: https://youtube.com/shorts/fYy-9dUd1-s?feature=share


With these 3 things I have reduced it to the point it’s minimal now and I can get a good 8 hours sleep with minimal pain when waking up, which goes away really quickly, in less than 15min.
 

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You need an orthopedic massage therapist who has studied Erik Dalton. Ask them to check your intercostals, diaphragm, and subscapularis. His website rill give you a list of practitioners in your area, they are NOT all the same. Ask them confidently to describe what a diaphragmatic release looks like before you pay. If they launch into a big geeky description you've found the right person.

In addition, order the BLUE pack of Miracle Ball by Elaine Petrone. Do the exercises working from the neck to middle back. You can get these delivered immediately they will probably do more for you than you can imagine BUT ONLY if you stick with it for at least fifteen minutes a day WITHOUT stress. You need to zen the f out on them while listening to music. They work but a lot of time Big Tough Intelligent Men need to be bossed and cajoled and comforted and cared for before they will settle down and relax.

My current working theory for you is that you have a sympathetic nervous system cycle that you can't get out of without at least a major daily time investment or someone who knows what they're doing or both.

I think it was probably triggered by a bench press or something with a curving forward clenching movement, maybe an an crunch. I think you might have strained one of the deep core muscles that attaches to your spine a while back.

Basically , every time you sleep you're inadvertently relaxing the fascia sheath (soft tissue surrounding all your muscle fibers) long enough for it to "reset" but it's resetting at the wrong length. If a muscle or fascia heals in a shortened condition you can't use it correctly until you stretch it out. So you're stuck in a cycle. We need it to reset its length to the correct amount and it can only do that when you're perfectly relaxed... which I think you never are?

If you could lie down perfectly flat and stretched out every night for a few months it would probably fix itself. But now you're probably stressed out about this even in your dreams and the fascia which links the muscle with your nervous system is gonna keep everything tight in a kind of protective fight or flight cycle. Fascia is very smart. It has 32x more nerve enervations than muscle. Some scientists believe it holds memory since the nerves connect to the brain stem and constantly send messages of every action we experience.

Since everybody's front muscles (for the most part) and therefore fascia are stronger than the back you *could* work the back line two or three times as much with light weights while ALSO stretching the front with poses like cobra, pigeon, warrior triangle etc. But I think the relaxation and breath work is the way to go for you since you're such a get it done personality. (I think. It's impossible to be certain online.)

Last but not least, it's a mental game. Fear triggers the sympathetic to heightened contractions in readiness for battle. You're not battling your body, it's trying to help you. It's just a bit stuck, protecting that one tiny knot somewhere.. we just gotta find the knot and let it go.

Good luck.
Sorry for typos and spelling I was typing as fast as I could while little ppl explained a problem with Roman numerals and division. Oi.
 
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So Ive went through the whole list.

Aint got no bones missaligned or Bechterew‘s disease.
Tried a firm bed for a week, on vacation I made sure to sleep on a "hard" bed. It was a little better, but still not the cause.
The pillows, harder and bigger wre of help, I can say for sure that soft and small pillows are not for me.
Found a chiropractor, but that did nothing, just relief for a few days.
The biggest problem with chiropractors is that no ine is available when you need them. The mornings when I'm most in pain no one can take me because they already have people lined up for the day, and I have to wait for at least a day to get "adjusted". So its hard to tell if there iw anny effect outside of placebo.

Most effective so far is:
1. Cutting my sleep short at about the 6:30 mark so I dont get sore.
2. Stretching right after I wake.
3. Larger and firmer pillows.

Nothing really helps all the way, 5 days ago I overslept and it hurt so bad I couldnt sit for an hour after I woke up, I could just stand straight and walk.
What kind of chiropractor did you see? They specialize in adjusting your atlas bone or did they do all of those strange contortions and play Twister with you?

Saw something several months ago which I found very interesting. I forget what the technique is called but it's taught by a doctor and supposedly gets rid of back pain quickly. Couple of videos about it:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABeBPHyW9H0&ab_channel=WBAL-TV11Baltimore


This one is a bit more comprehensive, but looks like it was filmed underwater (sorry):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jQtmSZetJM&ab_channel=YvanCampbell


Hope it helps you out.
 

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This sounds silly but are you certain it's bone/structural and not kidney or other pain? I've had kidney stones that felt like a back pain issue until they shifted, or kidney pain from certain diet issues. If you've eliminated that as a possibility, then good.
 

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